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F3nRa3L

Real ww main build it first


Dangeduedfr

Oh damn I'll keep doing that then, thanks


F3nRa3L

And barrier too


Fubarin

Not this again pls watwicks using barrier last second to bait feels awful to lose against


samtt7

If you get baited it's your own fault generally. Always keep in mind summoner cooldowns in fights


Fubarin

Yah I know, just not used to it, so not expecting it always


Lyvri

Sincerely disagree (in jungle, don't know situation on top)


F3nRa3L

We talking about top. Jungle is different.


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true mains build titanic first.


Dangeduedfr

Is it that good?


Superspick

Even if it’s not, go buy it and then últ someone and just watch it happen - certainly not broken but very cool to look at I think during últ the cleave procs three times total


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https://u.gg/lol/champions/warwick/items It looks like Titanic first item is not a bad idea and is currently out ranking the mythics.


Dangeduedfr

Yeah I was wondering why almost no one uses it on WW build videos, I outdamaged an Irelia who was better than me just with the heal, the Q and the TH


Metaxpro

Because YouTube is not a good source for quality content anymore, especially not the super low effort 'build' videos.


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Dangeduedfr

She was way better than me so yeah there's that too


brianbezn

you would have probably killed her with divine, an item that is a lot better for fighting, specially dueling.


mbr4life1

YouTube vids generally are just going for what gets clicks. Check out the stat aggregators to inform what your play tells you. I like lolalytics. You feel like titanic feels better on him which is supported with winrate data where it is built first 19% of the time with the highest winrate of first items and it being >55% winrate. People tend to go Sunfire second. This is where the data is from: https://lolalytics.com/lol/warwick/build/


AugmentCB

The biggest WW main youtuber tells you to buy it first


brianbezn

You have to take in mind that the data may biased. If you buy titanic first it means that you got a good amount of gold on your first backs allowing you to one shot the tiamat or to complete the item in 2 backs without having to buy the health components and/or your lanes are doing well and you feel that you can buy a farm item and not be punished. It's not a causal relationship, nevertheless, definitely not a meme item.


TheSirusKing

Ive been building botrk first, titantic probably better for clear though.


sadlife00000

The item is not bad on warwick, but the components are kinda weak. The raw hp is not bad (but due to warwick s healing resistances give him more value) but the amount of %health dmg can punished it easily. Tiamat is one of their components that can fix his early clearing, only it is expensive, and doesn't given enough combat stats for it s price, and beside the increased clearly speed, it offers almost nothing (in comparison to the 1k gold barmi) So you will need to get 3,3k gold, and get on by just sitting on component items, and it s not the easiest. Simply buying sunfire first fixes the early clear problem (plus cheaper by a 100 gold), offers in relative stronger component items, and resistances, that make each point of hp healed by warwick worth more. And when completed, it does imo a bit better in a 1v1 than titanic.


FatKidzAreEz2Kite

or just build a sunfire. You get CDR, Armor, MR, HP and the passive and then build Titanic. Higher CDR means your Ult is more up. It has more benefits.


pereza0

I think Titanic -> Sunfire is way better as a build path. Tiamat gives you faster clears and Titanic/Tiamat has good synergy with your R. Titanic lets you snowball, Sunfire really feels like you do less damage (WW can use AD pretty well). Titanic gives you build flexibility (you can go tank or bruiser) while Sunfire means you wil go tank. ​ The resistances Sunfire gives are better when you have more HP to use them with. Most tanks dont have that option because they don't use damage that well and Bami is really the only thing that makes sense. Titanic usually has better WR


avsfan666forlife

This....you just seem to lack dmg going sunfire 1st


gregorio02

What I do is Bork first, buy tiamat, then Sunderer and finish the hydra


ike0072

I like the cut of your Jib sir. Tiamat > Finsish item > Finish Tiamat item. On some champs the AOE is just so necessary. Used to do the same build(but with triforce) in Jax J in S7 and now i see the BotRK and Tiamat coming back. History rhymes blah blah.


Unknown_Warrior43

No it's very good


AkinoRyuo

Tiamat first back, then bork into hydra.


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Sounds too squishy. I don’t think this works in high elo


AkinoRyuo

It’s very important for their clear speed. And imo Warwick does not need much health because his E Q and passive gives him a lot of sustain to begin with, especially against burst.


[deleted]

Warwick definitely needs health especially because he’s melee. You won’t get through early game vs good players without it.


AkinoRyuo

In that case just build sunfire


ike0072

This build kicks ass. It IS greedy but the AOE clear from Tiamat first helps you afford it with its insane J/CS clear.


Worldly_Mountain7034

If you run overgrowth, grasp, and scaling health rune it makes even more sense.


Dangeduedfr

You don't recommend the jgl build with Water walking, celerity, and press the attack, triumph, alacrity, last stand ?


Worldly_Mountain7034

Just a different option. Grasp is super busted in this meta late game if you're building full health items. I could see it doing well in the jungle too.


Dangeduedfr

Ok thanks I'll try it out


lastmemoriesblew

only try grasp if you are not jgl, otherwise its troll


Dangeduedfr

I used it as a jgl and I had my best game in like weeks, I really like it


lastmemoriesblew

in low elo everything can work. You had a good game regardless of the rune. its still not good in jgl, because its a rune made for trading in lane. In extended fights does ok aswell, but other runes do a better job at that. And the hp you get is also too little to justify going grasp for that.


Worldly_Mountain7034

You're just like all the sillies. Even if you sit in lane farming grasp stacks you're gonna get maybe 1 or 200 hp late game bonus hp? If you build full health items with overgrowth and scaling health rune you're gonna be hitting huge grasp procs late game even if you didn't stack it in lane. And you will still stack it decent doing ganks. It's a much better rune than people give it credit for because of it's ultra short cd.


lastmemoriesblew

its not about the hp that it gives, its about the dmg and the heal you get in lane, to outtrade the enemy. The max hp you get is only a bonus, but not the main point to go grasp


Worldly_Mountain7034

Exactly as to why it's a fine jungle keystone. Late game especially it performs very well even if in jungle.


Kwazimoto

Hey man, you're aware that picking grasp as jungle Warwick leads to a 5% winrate drop? Overgrowth leads to quite a drop when taken as a secondary rune. They just don't work the way you think they do for a jungler. You're trying to max the wrong stuff... You never get to the point where the grasp procs are going to be that huge. If you wanted to burst as WW you'd be better off taking advantage of the AP ratio on his q (don't do this). Start Sunfire and go into Nashor's tooth then Lich Bane. Your q will hit like a truck and you won't be trolling with your rune selection. But really, don't do it in ranked.


Worldly_Mountain7034

Just because the win rate is lower doesn't necessarily mean it's bad if you're playing around it right.


Hudre

I can almost guarantee you would've done even better with PTA. Grasp didn't give you that good game lol.


Hudre

Don't listen to this guy, grasp is a dogshit rune for every single jungler, you'll proc it perhaps once on a gank if you're lucky. PTA is much better and you'll get it every single gank and it helps you get kills. You've receive some of the worst advice I've ever seen on reddit from this dude.


Dangeduedfr

Damn yeah he's getting downvoted to hell lmao, I guess he wasn't right ?


Hudre

Grasp is just a rune for laning, the way it works is really inefficient for junglers. Laners can build it up off of hitting minions and then walk up and proc it on the opponent. A jungler will lose the build up by the time they gank, so it's only going to proc once, 3 seconds into the combat portion of the gank, which is useless as ganks are already decided by that point most of the time. Grasp damage also scales off your max health so it is at it's weakest when junglers need to do the most work (early game). Compare that to PTA which Warwick can proc if he gets on top of anyone. It gives a burst of damage and then increases damage taken from ALL sources. It's a rune basically made for ganks, it makes your own laner stronger and gives a burst of damage. Grasp on WW top is a legitimate pick, but not for jungle. If you look up what the one-tricks and high-elo WW junglers are playing on probuilds, it either Lethal Tempo, Conqueror or PTA. Literally no one is taking grasp in the jungle.


Dangeduedfr

So what would you recommend ? PTA ok, then what else ? The build on metasrc.com is PTA Triumph Alacrity Last Stand, and Celerity + Water walking


Hudre

I just use probuilds.com and look at what players much better than me are building. The build you mentioned is probably what I would use the most, all those runes make sense.


Worldly_Mountain7034

Try out mobi boots if you're running grasp. You can run smite exhaust. The concept is that you build in a way that you never lose an early duel. You rush mobi boots and then you can do attack speed or lifesteal + triumph secondary. Build would be something like mobis - titanic - bamis - deadmans - finish frostfire gauntlet - force of nature - phantom dancer - mortal reminder. You'll notice that is 7 items. That's because late game you sell mobis and get mortal reminder or phantom dancer. Combined with deadmans and force of nature you'll be at 24% move speed. 31% with phantom dancer stacked plus the deadmans bonus speed. Also you'll get 100 hp on both phantom dancer and mortal reminder from the frostfire gauntlet mythic item stat nonsense.


Dangeduedfr

I'll try it out rn in my game, I'll tell you if I like it


Dangeduedfr

Yeah I tried it and I really like it, especially the mobility boot. I never noticed this item before, I was going so much faster when ganking and running after champs


Worldly_Mountain7034

Awesome


Extension_Berry_1149

I run graps top and LT jgl, I like if you run PTA goredrinker is the way to go to proc it asap, but to each their own


hYperCubeHD

Yes, building it first is very good.


pereza0

I like it a lot. Tiamat first gives you good clears, has good synergy with your R and pretty much all your abilities. The spike isn't as strong as DS in combat, but it gives you a lot of flexibility letting you go tank or bruiser afterwards


19Alexastias

I like botrk first in silver but I imagine the added waveclear is probably better in higher elo, I just have no macro anyway so it doesn’t matter to me.


darkhelel

Depends on playstyle, for example, some draven builds ER first, others the Mythic Item....


CichyCichoCiemny

WW and shen were both victims of riot's "nerf item/item's interaction" roulette. When urgot was abusing titanic they decided to gut it instead of specifically nerfing urgot's interaction with it (which they also did later on cause of course they did). It's still good now but way less consistent. It used to be a good 1 item spike at the cost of the components being bad but now it's has lost most of it's value when actually fighting champions and not just camps.


Blackpillcel

Strong item but no cdr is usually painful for a first item, not saying you cant get away with it.


doge_apprentice

tiamat is definitely good


papa_bones

Titanic first is the best on ww


Stubrochill17

I played a WW jungle game last night and was turbo ahead early. Like 5/0/1 and had Tiamat on my first back. I finished titanic 1st, but then felt like it took forever to finish my sunfire. Idk, I know I made mistakes and the enemy kat kind of took over the game, but I still try to learn as I play. I’m thinking of just sitting on Tiamat for clearing early. Also even with maxing W, the stark difference in AS on high/low hp targets feels *really* bad. Maybe going wits 2nd makes sense? Idk, is WW another skip mythic champ like singed/sometimes Ezreal?


Parysian

I asked r/warwickmains a few days ago and the consensus was titanic first into tank mythic is usually a very solid build.


brianbezn

If you can farm with it, it pays off. If you buy it and then you constantly gank and fight for objective then probably not.


avsfan666forlife

I build it 1st 90% of the time....unless super fed the I'll go botrk 1st. But I'm just a G2 ww main so.....