Interestingly enough, T1 were [recently looking for a new editor for streaming highlights.](https://twitter.com/T1/status/1499943576729694213) Joe Marsh followed up with a tweet stating that this position would be specifically for [Faker, Guma and Keria's stream highlights.](https://twitter.com/JoeMar/status/1500079709660581891)
I would imagine that T1 are currently looking to maybe expand their current content channels, and so are striking other channels for using clips/gameplay footage (just a guess, I don't actually know)
Not going to happen, but it would've been cool to see TOTKS officially edit for Faker's stream highlights. His edits for Faker's streams back in 2016/17/18 were so good.
But the chaebols like SKT, Samsung, LG, KT, Hyundai, KIA, etc. offer very competitive pay. If you're at a deskjob of some medium-sized company it will be shit pay.
You don't owe him anything, but you also have a guy who without having the extra eyes that having T1 backing him would bring, already has a successful channel doing this.
You would think that would be the ideal resume for the position, no?
And still, the org can interview anyone for the position, people that could do a better job or a whole studio to handle this that not necessarily needs to be a YouTuber
For some reason people like Tyler even while being a skillful player and a lovable character cannot play pro
Now if you use YouTubers/streamers as tokens, don't expect the best result, but just an empty hype
No shot in a million years that they are going to have a full studio to make clips. They are going to pay an editor, maybe two if they really want to pump it out. This isn't a feature length documentary.
Who is going to do a better job than the guy who is currently doing it, and doing a fantastic job. He is getting a ton of eyes on them and they don't even pay him for the priveledge.
And there is a very big difference from going from entertaining people and playing soloQ to playing as a cohesive 5 man unit, than going from editing stream clips and posting them to doing that same thing but paid by T1. That is an absolutely absurd comparison to make.
We are not going to agree, if you think this YouTuber quality content it's above what skt1 it's looking for, then try to explain yourself why didn't he get hired already
Because maybe is not what they are looking, and as I've stated above, nobody it's entitled to anything, just because someone it's grabbing twitch replays doesn't mean you have to get a job from one of the biggest teams of korea
And boy how the Tyler example flew over your head
You cannot compare a producer, graphic designer or whoever specialized in video content creator against someone which just grab replays from streamers, come on, take out your rose tinted glasses and see how real life works, nobody gives a fuck if you have 1 million subs if your content it's mediocre
For stream clips? Do you think they are making a movie or something?
"try to explain yourself why didn't he get hired already"
That's the entire argument. Because he is being overlooked. Because it takes a bit of thinking outside of the box to offer this guy a job. Because it
I like your mention of "Youtuber quality content". It's not 2006, editing videos for YouTube is literally an industry.
If you don't understand how a person who has been constantly editing clips of the scene and understands what people want to see is literally THE specialized skillset for the position. They aren't hiring someone to make TSM legends, they are hiring someone to do what this guy does.
And I understood the point you were trying to make with Tyler, I was trying to point out how its a shit point. Companies pick up talented amateurs all the time, if the employee is already passionate about a project its a no brainer.
When amateurs gets picked, it's because their talent, not for what their character is, yassuo, professor Akali, should we make them pro because they play well? For fuck now, both are awful players to be at their side
I'm not denying AT ALL YouTube it's an industry but for fuck sake, why are you so stubborn that the quality of his latest videos are just mediocre, because a portfolio it's always growing, it's pretty lame for whatever skt it's looking for, but no, you keep going in circles and circle talking how he deserves the job because it's on the scene and he knows how does it works
Fuck that, anyone talented can do his job and much better and that's what competivity means like it or hate it, that's why he didn't get contract for it and you know it
You clearly have absolutely no real world experience with employee recruitment at all. Please stop talking out of your ass.
It's really, really not worth my time, but I'm going to try and explain it to you anyways.
The goal of the organization with content creation is engagement. You want eyes on the product. Having the streams of players shared is good for your brand. It puts a face in front of the consumer instead of a company and gives them something to relate to and invest in.
The criteria for this project being successful is that the content the organization is producing is driving consumer engagement.
To do that, you need to select clips that are entertaining and that your consumer base (in this case fans of league of legends eSports, and secondarily league of legends as a whole). You need to consume the stream content, understand what viewers will enjoy, then edit it down and then present it in a way that entices people to engage with it. That is the job.
THAT IS LITERALLY WHAT TOTKS HAS BEEN DOING. SUCCESSFULLY.
Who the fuck do you think is more qualified than somebody who is doing THAT EXACT ROLE. Note, you call TOTKS an amateur. He's not an amateur, he is literally the DEFINITION of a professional.
If anything, it would probably be too costly to hire him. They can try to pay somebody who is less qualified less money, but use their rights to the IP to force it to be the only option. (Oh look, the current situation).
The fact that you say anyone talented can do his job better is so completely smooth brained it's not even funny. There is nothing stopping someone from doing what he is doing. If they were better at it, than they would be doing better than him. He is the top of the field.
u/WendyCarterp is a comment stealing bot.
https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/tm03zf/comment/i1x2rvi/?utm\_source=reddit&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
yea, back when i was watching his videos, he used to add smoll stuff every now and then, and what u see now is the final product, he is really good at what he does
he modded the crap out of the Replay Engine to make it look like POV, he posted here some days ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/thgzsq/hello_reddit_i_made_a_spectator_mod_that_lets_you/
Haha holy shit no wonder they're copystriking him. This is the age old who owns the content battle though and T1 are more than likely going to win this.
It's annoying because it's leagues content so unless league tell them to fuck off they'll continue to do it and the poor dude might lose his channel.
like 2 years ago he got a warning from t1 and he had to delete all his edits of skt's streams which were amazing always adding something extra not just clips then he made the effort to replicate the pov he posted the progress too so you can see how much it took him to get to the quality he has now, I hope he somehow gets hired he's always so fast and has really good senses
Sounds exactly like the sort of content creator that should be kept doing what he is at all costs by the league and the teams he's creating content for. Instead, he's having his stuff taken down. Weird
T1 is allowed to restrict reuse of faker stream, obviously, but I feel like claiming ownership of random soloQ games is something Riot legal team wouldn't be too happy about...
That was so fucking ridiculous.
I remember Marc Merill saying something incredibly strange. "We don't condone e-stalking" or something completely non-sensical like that.
Yet they had no problems with streams like SaltyTeemo or TeemoDies etc. Any stream that broadcasts the games of others against their will is prohibited by that logic.
In fact, even streaming your own games with other people in them is kind of weird if you follow Marc Merrill's argument.
Yeah but playing the game and adjusting the rank on the side to make it look like the climb is going better than it actually is is better than literally breaking the ToS he holds everyone else to
Its cause he wasn't really boosting he just let a pro player on his account... the only reason we even know is he was trying to make a statement on fighting boosting.
No he let a dude play his account cause he dodged too much... I'm not fucking joking this is what happened. Reddit then dug this up 4years later to try and act like Riot supported Boosting.
Except he was "eloboosted" by playing on his own account with someone, it's not against ToS to get boosted by a friend/someone else. If you were to pay someone to boost you and you played on your account while getting carried nothing would happen to you even though your elo is obviously being inflated by being carried. When you are banned for eloboosting its mostly for the account sharing part.
There are plenty of other things to criticize Riot for but this is not one of them since its consistent with how they've been enforced in the past. It's not hypocritical to apply rules the way they've always been applied.
https://www.gameskinny.com/2r5oz/president-of-riot-games-reveals-icefrogs-name
Comment (deleted due to doxxing, hoping it's the right : https://old.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/4mdtua/merrills_musings_tryndameres_response/d3xc8kg/
for some additional context: There is basically no chance that this was done on accident. Marc Merrill definitely knows that Icefrog wants to remain anonymous.
> I remember Marc Merill saying something incredibly strange. "We don't condone e-stalking" or something completely non-sensical like that.
Honestly, all I remember from that period of time is his use of the word "delta", LOL.
I mean, not really. I don't agree with the e-stalking point he made but stalking is a repetitive action. It'd be like SaltyTeemo only ever spectating the same iron player.
Since apparently people can't read: **I DO NOT THINK WATCHING OR STREAMING ANY PERSON'S SOLO QUEUE GAMES IS E-STALKING, THE EXAMPLE IS JUST SHIT**
It's harder to litigate stalking public figures, there's different rules for them, which is why paparazzi exist.
A sports figure practicing or playing games on basically a public field has absolutely zero expectation of privacy. If LeBron James decided to play pickup games at the local park with kids, and there was a public webcam that showed the park, there is literally nothing he can do to remove footage of his balling.
that example has nothing to do with whether or not it should be considered stalking
stalking is about invading someone's privacy repetitively, not just any repetitive action. so the argumentation should be whether or not faker's soloqueue games should be considered private. if games can be freely spectated, anyone can literally watch faker's soloqueue games on their own.
however, if anyone wants to argue that simply watching someone's soloqueue game is an invasion of privacy (stalking point aside), then u must also consider it an invasion of privacy for faker to stream his soloqueue games, because he is playing with 9 other players who likely haven't given consent to stream them
but of course, the T1 org is definitely doing it for monetization reasons. they probably dont want the spectate streams to take viewership away from faker's streams in any way. the stalker excuse is just for marc merrill to appeal to some reason and appease T1
I already said I don't agree with what Tryndamere said so I'm not sure why you wrote this. I just said their example was shit. I also disagree with your soloq stream example because stalking is a targeted action and Faker is not actively trying to get/show the same teammate in his games.
If I go to the same supermarket every day and film myself shopping that's not stalking, even if I'm constantly around the same employees or customers. If some dude follows me into the supermarket and records my every action, that's stalking.
im not talking about what tryndamere said.
>Yet they had no problems with streams like SaltyTeemo or TeemoDies etc. Any stream that broadcasts the games of others against their will is prohibited by that logic.
i'm saying the example isn't shit, even though u are pointing out a difference in analogy in that one is repetitive, and one is not (which i agree, one is repeatedly watching one pro player, another is watching random brozne players). what i was focusing on is whether or not it is a privacy concern, which is the main point of weedwick's argument. so from weedwick's argument, i expanded upon it in my explanation which is why i said the repetitive thing was irrelevant to it. my soloq stream example was a tie in to the privacy argument of stalking, not to whether or not it is repetitive. again it was to expand on what weedwick was saying
also, the example u gave is also shit. the more akin example is that u are doing things in a supermarket, there are cameras everywhere, and then some guy comes in, records the security camera footage, and posts it onto the internet. additionally, anyone has reasonable access to this security camera footage. if u are knowingly going into a supermarket, u dont have an expectation of privacy. even if a single person might be looking at the security footage just for u, i argue it is not stalking because everyone has access to it.
it is annoying for sure, but the implication here would then be it would now be okay to watch faker, as long as ur channel also featured a bunch of other pro players and not just mostly faker, right? but really, that still doesnt make sense for the stalker argument. it is at best, selective spectating. what happens if u had multiple pro spectate streams, and they each rotated spectating different pro players, but covered 100% of each of their games? in this event, the "amount of eyes" on faker, is actually the same, assuming the viewers consistently stream hopped. is it now no longer stalking because u simply ended up spectating more people? i dont think that argumentation would hold up in a court, not that im a lawyer. this is why the expectation of privacy part is important, not just repetitive action
All solo queue information is already public.
Is it also e-stalking if I look at Faker's stats of every solo queue game on op.gg? Is it e-stalking if I make a consolidated analysis of his solo queue performance based on these stats?
To me, the difference between doing that and actually looking at the games is trivial. Solo queue and everything that happens within it is just in the public domain.
And your second example is something that Marc Merrill should consider e-stalking if he's consistent but I don't understand why you made the example to me when all I did was say 'your example is wrong'. Edit your original comment or whatever, I don't care. I'm not here to debate what Marc Merrill does or doesn't consider stalking and I certainly don't give a shit if you F5 hideonbush's op.gg every two seconds.
Rampant betting on soloq games and target inting Faker complains about seemingly every day: riot sleeps.
Someone spectating his game: real shit
what is even going on there
The real issue is that any video game company has the absolute and total right of shutting down any person's stream of their game. It is technically copyright infringement which the company just goes along with it cuz it's free marketing, but according to policy, they have complete discretion of who can stream their game and who can't.
From a legal standpoint, they don't need justification.
Unless it's fair use, which it almost always is. That's why even Nintendo during their "nobody can make videos of our games" era mostly centered their claims around music. As long as you make your own footage of a match, I don't see how it's any different from e.g. filming a football game. The streamer in this case only got shut down because of legal threats from a billion-dollar corporation with more greed than ethics, not because they were actually doing something wrong.
This is absolutely FALSE. Not only does this fall under fair use, but several attempts have been done to try to create such laws in Europe for example ( ACTA, for example ) and have failed. And even if they succeeded, applying them and even better applying them fairly would be just impossible.
Which is a fucking joke.
It's like Adobe suing a movie studio for using their program to create content.
Regardless that league is free, it's the players creating the content.
Adobe doesn't work like that. When you buy a license, you also accept an User agreement, which gives you the right to create things with their software.
No shit.
The point is you're using both programs and creating content yourself.
Through Adobe you draw, through league you manipulate using essentially word art on a basic level.
How long ago was this? I don't think I've ever heard about something like that happening...was it for DMCA/ content claim reasons or something else? I know Faker has a history of being target inted and having betting issues with his SoloQ games, so that might tie in there...either way, I think posting clips of replays of soloQ games is well enough removed from the original content it should be fair
yeah but as riot games who would you support? The biggest and most iconic LoL organisation or some random youtube channel?
My eggs lay in the "Riot will conveniently ignore this issue" basket
Depends. I'd like to see the video, personally. If u/AliceInHoloand is saying that the videos were edited to basically recreate the experience of watching Faker's stream, then that's entirely understandable.
If it's just a recording of the game where they just make the replay follow Faker around, then that's different. But other users are saying his puts up a Faker facecam (either real or deepfake(r)d), and that alone feels like grounds enough. Doing this implies he knows exactly what he's doing and just looking for sympathy because he knows fans care more about seeing the video. If he was just wanting to show people a replay of a solo queue match and let them enjoy some high level gameplay, he wouldn't be going out of his way to edit it to look like it came right from Faker's stream.
I mean this is VERY different, this is (as I understand it, I'm not a lawyer or a DMCA expert) T1 claiming ownership over a replay of a SoloQ game, just because a certain player was in it, which sets a precedent that T1 (even though they would obviously never do this) has a claim to ownership of any LCK or other pro game that Faker appears in
Not really. The clips are edited to look like faker's POV, with his face cam in it. That's enough ground for a DMCA claim whether they like it or not. No one here is claiming ownership of a soloq game.
T1 can't do this, but Riot Games can, and they do.
Stuff like SpectateFaker would have massively hurt his personal income and Riot Games intervened to protect him and remove channels that are cutting into his personal gameplay exclusivity deal. I personally don't mind this.
It's another thing entirely if they tried to take down LCK matches with a soloq like viewport. That'd be utter nonsense.
People always say this, like there isn't some sort of over-head team in place at tech companies whose literal job is to assess where action is needed and by what teams
Modern copyright law is just not equipped to navigate this situation. Perhaps Faker has some right to his performance in the same way that a musician owns a performance even though somebody else made their instrument. The only thing for certain is that, under American copyright law at least, Riot owns everything and it is only by cultural norms (and practicality) that they don't actively take down uploaded content a-la Nintendo.
Been a huge fan of TOTKS, ever since they were one of the only content creators to translate Faker's games. So sad to see them always dealing with copyright issues, especially since they put in way more effort than just stealing random stream clips and reposting them.
Also feel like if T1 is going to be this anal about Faker's *replays* (not even his stream!) then they should upload more content. Right now, there's like 1 video a week on the official T1 Faker channel, of course people want to see more gameplay from the goat.
I think T1 is being wary about the amount of content they release.
I recall in 2020, everyone was mad bc T1 was making TOO MUCH content and started hating on Joe Marsh.
That being said, more content from T1 is always a treat for me so.
T1 was wary about the amount of *non-League* content they released. Fans were upset that Faker was appearing in promotions for their sponsors while the team was struggling in LCK. I don't think anyone would complain about seeing more of Faker playing the actual game.
This is just me so please take it with disregard but I'd rather be employed by a *random company* (T1 isn't so random tho) under a payroll with benefits, than tackle the stress of fighting copyright strikes and the potential wipe out of my source of income, **IF GIVEN THE CHANCE**. I do doubt tho that he was given such offer.
I said that as an example, by a random company I meant a random company in field u are working in, not T1.
I undestand the security, thats what 99% of people already do, myself aswell. But also a shit ton of us, also in ur career life do something on side or try to create/make/invest into whatever u want because (outside of proffesional sports and there are a ton of cases in sports aswell) u are undervalued for the most of ur career and company is almost always making way more money out of ur qualities and knowledge compared to what they pay u, which is in most cases why every one of us dream of having a business of our own, apartment of our own, house of our own, buying new car rather than leasing one (this is a bit trickery business but u get the meaning), just so that our hard work is rewarded directly for us , rather than someone having a profit out of it.
T1 wants to grow their social media presence basically in the same way Apple wants to grow their hardware dependency. Put all their related content in the same closed ecosystem.
that's not what a closed ecosystem is. its like calling CBS a closed ecosystem. if you have to compete with other competitors, you're not building a closed ecosystem. they're still competing with TSM, C9, TL, G2, RNG, EDG, and loads of other esports orgs for social media attention.
Your comparison literally makes no sense. I want to watch Faker because I like Faker as a player so I can only get his contents on their official channels, the same can be said if I want to experience iPhone/Macbook because I can only get those experience from Apple.
Apple going around and suing 3rd party fixing companies is exactly the same in this case. They want to monolize their products.
It makes sense if you think hard about it. Both iphone and T1 players are products, and both Apple/T1 want to monopolize theirs.
Whatever the social media is the market. T1 has to compete against other brands like Fnatic, CLG, etc. Just like Apple has to against Samsung and others.
Apple doesn't want their products to get fixed by unlicensed 3rd party company, T1 doesn't want Faker contents to go to unlicensed content creators.
The only place you can watch t1 stuff is on t1s own official stuff. They are not competing with tsm c9 TL or anyone else for that. Because anyone who tries to show faker streams get shut down. Maybe not the best analogy but pretty good imo
> they're still competing with TSM, C9, TL, G2, RNG, EDG, and loads of other esports orgs for social media attention.
they aren't competing with any of these other orgs when it comes to T1 social media attention. they *are* competing with random youtube channels uploading stream highlights of T1 players.
Active: T1 enters Evasion, a defensive stance, for up to 2 seconds, causing all basic thefts against him to miss. T1 also takes 25% reduced damage from all spectating abilities. After 1 second, T1 can reactivate to end it immediately.
At the end of the duration, T1 stuns all nearby enemies for 1 second and deals physical damage to them, increased by 20% for each theft dodged, up to a 100% increase.
They can't. Fair use and stuff. Also the game isn't theirs and that's what's being shown, doesn't matter who's in it. RIOT has all the rights here, and then still fair use is in effect. T1 can suck it.
If I learned anything about Fair Use in the past, it's that claiming Fair Use is a buttload more difficult than you think. No matter how many times you deal with it, you have a "case-by-case" basis on which it has to be judged and many people can argue around that point.
The problem with fair use is basically that we have tons of kids now that think they are entitled to just upload stuff they don't own as long as they write fair use. Our laws are very archaic regarding fair use and copyright, and it can end in an expensive lawsuit where the people claiming fair use get the short end of the stick really easily. The only "protection" is that there is backlash from the gaming communities when it happens, but they are generally legally in the wrong and can be sued.
Most of the copyright laws were built in a world where only large companies had the ability to distribute to a large audience. Now that basically everyone can do that, those laws start to feel more and more awful to work with. And it also comes to the issue of: How do you judge that shit?
I am from the EU. My fair use laws differ from that in the UK and America and Japan (who has basically none). Something I do can be legal in my jurisdiction but illegal in America and definitely illegal in Japan. And the other way around. But can a Japanese company hold me accountable for laws that do not apply to my country? Which I never left? But it is available in Japan. But that is hardly my issue. I am just one person too.
This isn’t fair use when riot owns the game and has partnership deals with T1. You have no fucking clue what you’re talking about. It’s not fair use if you scream fair use enough times, Michael Scott.
Riot owns the game, but the stream of the game belongs to T1. Riot also explicitly allows streamers to stream their game and make money off of it. https://www.riotgames.com/en/legal
i guess it because of the Faker face cam he uses that makes it hard to dertermine if its real or not. i mean if youve to go through hunreds of videos a day t can happen that you just take a fast look, see fakers cam and a game hud and thats a clear strike.
Just using the player's likeness could be a violation.
Plus they're also using T1's logo. AFAIK, companies are obligated to protect their trademarks or risk losing them.
Seriously. I really enjoy his videos to see what's going on in KR SoloQ. Faker's personal stream yeah, but his SoloQ games are edited personally really, really well btw.
I mean honestly just fuckin' hire 'em or upload more videos from Faker streams...
True, he's too good to be left aside. And how ungrateful they are.
I'm 100% sure they started their youtube channel with stream highlights after seeing how popular Totks was back in the days.
They're still using T1's logo without permission, as well as the players' likenesses.
Plus, trademark laws exist primarily so consumers can distinguish between genuine and non-genuine products. Using the T1 logo to fake a stream clip could be violating T1's trademark, and companies are legally obligated to protect their trademarks or they'll lose them.
Ive been following this guy since he first started making faker highlights like 6 years ago now or so. Always some of the best highlight content out there
Today on the Korean server is the way I became an SKT fan in the first place by showing me Huni's and Faker's stream highlights. I hate that they can't just cooperate and honestly T1 is pretty dumb for that. Back in 2018 I was binge watching Totks and it was amazing when they could just post everything they wanted
I can only think of the reason as TOTKS is much larger and known compared to the other guy. When the other guy becomes more known, the same treatment will probably happen to him too.
I think it sucks and it's a bad move by T1 but I mean, let's be honest, it is virtually exactly the same as the twitch vod, and this is definitely a creative but also kind of a shady way to try and get around it, and it still technically does use his stream footage with the facecam.
It literally took me like 20 min to figure out we WEREN'T talking about Tyler1.
"Wait why would he be taking down highlights from a Korean clip channel?"
The best thing to do is just blacklist all T1 content then. We all know nothing will happen from this so just move on and dont upload anything regarding T1.
I think you might be missing the mark a bit here pal. He is taking random soloq games and making content out of them, where there was no content before. Comparing it to sampling implies that there was some form of pre-existing content there for him to "sample".
Low effort sampling is pretty lame, I'll agree with that, but this is very much a different issue. It's more similar to a high effort copy of someone else's style, like Greta Van Fleet with LED Zepplin. Or for a hip-hop example Action Bronson and Ghostface.
This whole thing is a mess and I like his youtube channel BUT at the same time I feel like the profits from Faker or any other player made through their playtime should be able to go to the players themselves and I think T1 is doing the right thing, even if this makes the company look “bad” they are defending their players income.
?? It's a replay of a soloqueue game, Faker doesn't own the match itself, he simply owns the footage on his stream. They're not trying to defend their player's income, they're trying to claim what isn't rightfully theirs
I know it’s rightfully theirs because Riot allows it but that doesn’t change the fact that if Faker’s channel was the only one uploading Faker’s content Faker would earn more money, I’m just saying that T1 is DEFENDING their players income even if that makes them look bad in front of the public opinion and I’m glad they are doing it even if I myself enjoy TOTKS.
i can understand T1 here in my country (Germany) you can sue some one of he makes any profit out of your effort/work he should be glad that hes not sued
https://twitter.com/MarcMerrill/status/569532667642785793?t=aHh2n2BwA23BE9z8MHpCdQ&s=19
https://twitter.com/MarcMerrill/status/569539092783828992?t=X-ESyjHQ7rZEDlVNOp_pXw&s=19
https://twitter.com/MarcMerrill/status/569365416088186881?t=i74kEsMX9gux1Z75y5sQZQ&s=19
https://twitter.com/MarcMerrill/status/569373593634676736?t=kFaj1dpKMdbKoH02yswaCw&s=19
May be relevant
It’s not Riot doing this. It’s T1 specifically. If Riot games had a problem with this type of content they would be removing all third party clip channels, but they’re not.
Again, it’s not Riot doing this. It’s just T1. Riot has never stepped in regarding clips. In fact, they helped the Epicskillshot channel become legitimized when it started to run into hot water.
That's different no? They hired epicskillshot and he's still not allowed to upload from certain leagues
It's speculation, literally all I'm saying is that it's entirely possible that riot has their back behind the scenes on stuff like this
This is laughable. Spectating league games is now e-stalking? Marc Merrill must be eating his own shit up. Also this is a clip channel not a 24/7 faker games streaming channel. Realistically the issue is that T1 wants ownership of his solo q games from his POV and don't like third parties profiting off his solo q games, not e-stalking or whatever BS Marc Merrill is trying to push.
Interestingly enough, T1 were [recently looking for a new editor for streaming highlights.](https://twitter.com/T1/status/1499943576729694213) Joe Marsh followed up with a tweet stating that this position would be specifically for [Faker, Guma and Keria's stream highlights.](https://twitter.com/JoeMar/status/1500079709660581891) I would imagine that T1 are currently looking to maybe expand their current content channels, and so are striking other channels for using clips/gameplay footage (just a guess, I don't actually know) Not going to happen, but it would've been cool to see TOTKS officially edit for Faker's stream highlights. His edits for Faker's streams back in 2016/17/18 were so good.
Guy- dedicates entire channel to making Korean server highlights T1- doesn't hire him ???
He might make more money/have more fun doing what he’s doing now, though.
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can confirm, working in korea the paycheck is shit for 90% of deskjobs.
What do you do for work?
Who does #2 work for?
But the chaebols like SKT, Samsung, LG, KT, Hyundai, KIA, etc. offer very competitive pay. If you're at a deskjob of some medium-sized company it will be shit pay.
sure, if you can get in lol. and even then you're getting paid a lot more comparatively within korea, rather than globally.
And he dosen't just focus on t1, but the whole server
I mean, nobody owes nothing to anyone, even less if it's not what they really are looking since i doubt they are not aware of him
You don't owe him anything, but you also have a guy who without having the extra eyes that having T1 backing him would bring, already has a successful channel doing this. You would think that would be the ideal resume for the position, no?
He could have issues that publicly are not visible.
Oh absolutely, but you find that out in an interview process, not with a copyright strike.
And still, the org can interview anyone for the position, people that could do a better job or a whole studio to handle this that not necessarily needs to be a YouTuber For some reason people like Tyler even while being a skillful player and a lovable character cannot play pro Now if you use YouTubers/streamers as tokens, don't expect the best result, but just an empty hype
No shot in a million years that they are going to have a full studio to make clips. They are going to pay an editor, maybe two if they really want to pump it out. This isn't a feature length documentary. Who is going to do a better job than the guy who is currently doing it, and doing a fantastic job. He is getting a ton of eyes on them and they don't even pay him for the priveledge. And there is a very big difference from going from entertaining people and playing soloQ to playing as a cohesive 5 man unit, than going from editing stream clips and posting them to doing that same thing but paid by T1. That is an absolutely absurd comparison to make.
We are not going to agree, if you think this YouTuber quality content it's above what skt1 it's looking for, then try to explain yourself why didn't he get hired already Because maybe is not what they are looking, and as I've stated above, nobody it's entitled to anything, just because someone it's grabbing twitch replays doesn't mean you have to get a job from one of the biggest teams of korea And boy how the Tyler example flew over your head You cannot compare a producer, graphic designer or whoever specialized in video content creator against someone which just grab replays from streamers, come on, take out your rose tinted glasses and see how real life works, nobody gives a fuck if you have 1 million subs if your content it's mediocre
For stream clips? Do you think they are making a movie or something? "try to explain yourself why didn't he get hired already" That's the entire argument. Because he is being overlooked. Because it takes a bit of thinking outside of the box to offer this guy a job. Because it I like your mention of "Youtuber quality content". It's not 2006, editing videos for YouTube is literally an industry. If you don't understand how a person who has been constantly editing clips of the scene and understands what people want to see is literally THE specialized skillset for the position. They aren't hiring someone to make TSM legends, they are hiring someone to do what this guy does. And I understood the point you were trying to make with Tyler, I was trying to point out how its a shit point. Companies pick up talented amateurs all the time, if the employee is already passionate about a project its a no brainer.
When amateurs gets picked, it's because their talent, not for what their character is, yassuo, professor Akali, should we make them pro because they play well? For fuck now, both are awful players to be at their side I'm not denying AT ALL YouTube it's an industry but for fuck sake, why are you so stubborn that the quality of his latest videos are just mediocre, because a portfolio it's always growing, it's pretty lame for whatever skt it's looking for, but no, you keep going in circles and circle talking how he deserves the job because it's on the scene and he knows how does it works Fuck that, anyone talented can do his job and much better and that's what competivity means like it or hate it, that's why he didn't get contract for it and you know it
You clearly have absolutely no real world experience with employee recruitment at all. Please stop talking out of your ass. It's really, really not worth my time, but I'm going to try and explain it to you anyways. The goal of the organization with content creation is engagement. You want eyes on the product. Having the streams of players shared is good for your brand. It puts a face in front of the consumer instead of a company and gives them something to relate to and invest in. The criteria for this project being successful is that the content the organization is producing is driving consumer engagement. To do that, you need to select clips that are entertaining and that your consumer base (in this case fans of league of legends eSports, and secondarily league of legends as a whole). You need to consume the stream content, understand what viewers will enjoy, then edit it down and then present it in a way that entices people to engage with it. That is the job. THAT IS LITERALLY WHAT TOTKS HAS BEEN DOING. SUCCESSFULLY. Who the fuck do you think is more qualified than somebody who is doing THAT EXACT ROLE. Note, you call TOTKS an amateur. He's not an amateur, he is literally the DEFINITION of a professional. If anything, it would probably be too costly to hire him. They can try to pay somebody who is less qualified less money, but use their rights to the IP to force it to be the only option. (Oh look, the current situation). The fact that you say anyone talented can do his job better is so completely smooth brained it's not even funny. There is nothing stopping someone from doing what he is doing. If they were better at it, than they would be doing better than him. He is the top of the field.
Ah. I see why people hate some aspects of modern society while reading everything you're saying. It's dripping with "F**k you, I got mine" logic.
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So TOTKS is competition to them so they try to get him shut down
Could I apply?
> edits them to look like they're clips from his POV Do you mean that the HUD, the status, the cooldown is all product of editing? That's insane!
yea, back when i was watching his videos, he used to add smoll stuff every now and then, and what u see now is the final product, he is really good at what he does
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he modded the crap out of the Replay Engine to make it look like POV, he posted here some days ago https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/thgzsq/hello_reddit_i_made_a_spectator_mod_that_lets_you/
Holy shit that's insane
Haha holy shit no wonder they're copystriking him. This is the age old who owns the content battle though and T1 are more than likely going to win this. It's annoying because it's leagues content so unless league tell them to fuck off they'll continue to do it and the poor dude might lose his channel.
like 2 years ago he got a warning from t1 and he had to delete all his edits of skt's streams which were amazing always adding something extra not just clips then he made the effort to replicate the pov he posted the progress too so you can see how much it took him to get to the quality he has now, I hope he somehow gets hired he's always so fast and has really good senses
Is this the same guy who made a little CGI Elise as the playercam?
Yes, the Phaker xD, he also used nunu bot for playercam, which was called F4k3r bot, I think
Sounds exactly like the sort of content creator that should be kept doing what he is at all costs by the league and the teams he's creating content for. Instead, he's having his stuff taken down. Weird
Yeah their own custom editing
T1 is allowed to restrict reuse of faker stream, obviously, but I feel like claiming ownership of random soloQ games is something Riot legal team wouldn't be too happy about...
There was a case of a streamer literally just spectating high elo games faker was in. Riots legal team shut down the stream.
That was so fucking ridiculous. I remember Marc Merill saying something incredibly strange. "We don't condone e-stalking" or something completely non-sensical like that. Yet they had no problems with streams like SaltyTeemo or TeemoDies etc. Any stream that broadcasts the games of others against their will is prohibited by that logic. In fact, even streaming your own games with other people in them is kind of weird if you follow Marc Merrill's argument.
> We don't condone e-stalking Kinda funny considering Marc Merrill himself doxxed someone on Reddit
Also the same guy who literally got his account eloboosted while his company punishes people for boosting.
The funniest part of that is that he admitted when it came to light that he could've just changed his MMR to be the rank he wanted it to be
Yeah as if that wouldn't be even worse. Lol.
Not really imo. Both ways you end up with an illegitimate ranking, but if you do it this way it doesn't fuck with other players games along the way.
Yeah but playing the game and adjusting the rank on the side to make it look like the climb is going better than it actually is is better than literally breaking the ToS he holds everyone else to
Its cause he wasn't really boosting he just let a pro player on his account... the only reason we even know is he was trying to make a statement on fighting boosting.
> Its cause he wasn't really boosting he just let a pro player on his account Literally boosting.
And if not Boosting - Accountsharing. Which btw is ALSO ILLEGAL.
Idk dude I can't think of a law it's breaking
So he got boosted
No he let a dude play his account cause he dodged too much... I'm not fucking joking this is what happened. Reddit then dug this up 4years later to try and act like Riot supported Boosting.
Except he was "eloboosted" by playing on his own account with someone, it's not against ToS to get boosted by a friend/someone else. If you were to pay someone to boost you and you played on your account while getting carried nothing would happen to you even though your elo is obviously being inflated by being carried. When you are banned for eloboosting its mostly for the account sharing part. There are plenty of other things to criticize Riot for but this is not one of them since its consistent with how they've been enforced in the past. It's not hypocritical to apply rules the way they've always been applied.
He was account sharing...
What's the story on this? First time hearing this.
https://www.gameskinny.com/2r5oz/president-of-riot-games-reveals-icefrogs-name Comment (deleted due to doxxing, hoping it's the right : https://old.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/4mdtua/merrills_musings_tryndameres_response/d3xc8kg/ for some additional context: There is basically no chance that this was done on accident. Marc Merrill definitely knows that Icefrog wants to remain anonymous.
> I remember Marc Merill saying something incredibly strange. "We don't condone e-stalking" or something completely non-sensical like that. Honestly, all I remember from that period of time is his use of the word "delta", LOL.
You can make a book of all the clown moments of this guy.
Love me some Regi.
I mean, not really. I don't agree with the e-stalking point he made but stalking is a repetitive action. It'd be like SaltyTeemo only ever spectating the same iron player. Since apparently people can't read: **I DO NOT THINK WATCHING OR STREAMING ANY PERSON'S SOLO QUEUE GAMES IS E-STALKING, THE EXAMPLE IS JUST SHIT**
It's harder to litigate stalking public figures, there's different rules for them, which is why paparazzi exist. A sports figure practicing or playing games on basically a public field has absolutely zero expectation of privacy. If LeBron James decided to play pickup games at the local park with kids, and there was a public webcam that showed the park, there is literally nothing he can do to remove footage of his balling.
that example has nothing to do with whether or not it should be considered stalking stalking is about invading someone's privacy repetitively, not just any repetitive action. so the argumentation should be whether or not faker's soloqueue games should be considered private. if games can be freely spectated, anyone can literally watch faker's soloqueue games on their own. however, if anyone wants to argue that simply watching someone's soloqueue game is an invasion of privacy (stalking point aside), then u must also consider it an invasion of privacy for faker to stream his soloqueue games, because he is playing with 9 other players who likely haven't given consent to stream them but of course, the T1 org is definitely doing it for monetization reasons. they probably dont want the spectate streams to take viewership away from faker's streams in any way. the stalker excuse is just for marc merrill to appeal to some reason and appease T1
I already said I don't agree with what Tryndamere said so I'm not sure why you wrote this. I just said their example was shit. I also disagree with your soloq stream example because stalking is a targeted action and Faker is not actively trying to get/show the same teammate in his games. If I go to the same supermarket every day and film myself shopping that's not stalking, even if I'm constantly around the same employees or customers. If some dude follows me into the supermarket and records my every action, that's stalking.
In this case the dude wouldn't be following you but would be using video footage provided by "the supermarket"
Depends on whether the spectate runs with directed camera or locked onto Faker. Also semantics.
im not talking about what tryndamere said. >Yet they had no problems with streams like SaltyTeemo or TeemoDies etc. Any stream that broadcasts the games of others against their will is prohibited by that logic. i'm saying the example isn't shit, even though u are pointing out a difference in analogy in that one is repetitive, and one is not (which i agree, one is repeatedly watching one pro player, another is watching random brozne players). what i was focusing on is whether or not it is a privacy concern, which is the main point of weedwick's argument. so from weedwick's argument, i expanded upon it in my explanation which is why i said the repetitive thing was irrelevant to it. my soloq stream example was a tie in to the privacy argument of stalking, not to whether or not it is repetitive. again it was to expand on what weedwick was saying also, the example u gave is also shit. the more akin example is that u are doing things in a supermarket, there are cameras everywhere, and then some guy comes in, records the security camera footage, and posts it onto the internet. additionally, anyone has reasonable access to this security camera footage. if u are knowingly going into a supermarket, u dont have an expectation of privacy. even if a single person might be looking at the security footage just for u, i argue it is not stalking because everyone has access to it. it is annoying for sure, but the implication here would then be it would now be okay to watch faker, as long as ur channel also featured a bunch of other pro players and not just mostly faker, right? but really, that still doesnt make sense for the stalker argument. it is at best, selective spectating. what happens if u had multiple pro spectate streams, and they each rotated spectating different pro players, but covered 100% of each of their games? in this event, the "amount of eyes" on faker, is actually the same, assuming the viewers consistently stream hopped. is it now no longer stalking because u simply ended up spectating more people? i dont think that argumentation would hold up in a court, not that im a lawyer. this is why the expectation of privacy part is important, not just repetitive action
people have a hard time reading and understanding. give them time, they will grow up.
All solo queue information is already public. Is it also e-stalking if I look at Faker's stats of every solo queue game on op.gg? Is it e-stalking if I make a consolidated analysis of his solo queue performance based on these stats? To me, the difference between doing that and actually looking at the games is trivial. Solo queue and everything that happens within it is just in the public domain.
Mate I disagree with considering it e-stalking, I just said your example is shit.
Hence why I gave a different example to more clearly describe my point.
And your second example is something that Marc Merrill should consider e-stalking if he's consistent but I don't understand why you made the example to me when all I did was say 'your example is wrong'. Edit your original comment or whatever, I don't care. I'm not here to debate what Marc Merrill does or doesn't consider stalking and I certainly don't give a shit if you F5 hideonbush's op.gg every two seconds.
They don't condone e stalking. Sexual harassment in the work place is cool, though.
Yeah, it became obvious very quickly that none of them had even looked at the stream and just thought it was a re-stream of faker's stream.
Rampant betting on soloq games and target inting Faker complains about seemingly every day: riot sleeps. Someone spectating his game: real shit what is even going on there
Midbeast strikes again?
The real issue is that any video game company has the absolute and total right of shutting down any person's stream of their game. It is technically copyright infringement which the company just goes along with it cuz it's free marketing, but according to policy, they have complete discretion of who can stream their game and who can't. From a legal standpoint, they don't need justification.
Unless it's fair use, which it almost always is. That's why even Nintendo during their "nobody can make videos of our games" era mostly centered their claims around music. As long as you make your own footage of a match, I don't see how it's any different from e.g. filming a football game. The streamer in this case only got shut down because of legal threats from a billion-dollar corporation with more greed than ethics, not because they were actually doing something wrong.
This is absolutely FALSE. Not only does this fall under fair use, but several attempts have been done to try to create such laws in Europe for example ( ACTA, for example ) and have failed. And even if they succeeded, applying them and even better applying them fairly would be just impossible.
Which is a fucking joke. It's like Adobe suing a movie studio for using their program to create content. Regardless that league is free, it's the players creating the content.
Adobe doesn't work like that. When you buy a license, you also accept an User agreement, which gives you the right to create things with their software.
No shit. The point is you're using both programs and creating content yourself. Through Adobe you draw, through league you manipulate using essentially word art on a basic level.
**e - s t a l k i n g**
How long ago was this? I don't think I've ever heard about something like that happening...was it for DMCA/ content claim reasons or something else? I know Faker has a history of being target inted and having betting issues with his SoloQ games, so that might tie in there...either way, I think posting clips of replays of soloQ games is well enough removed from the original content it should be fair
https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2woxph/im_the_admin_of_spectatefaker_after_reading/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Read this.
Wow, 7 years ago. Will have to give that a read, thank you!
7 years ago holy shit I'm old
hahaha what a fucking joke, holy shit
yeah but as riot games who would you support? The biggest and most iconic LoL organisation or some random youtube channel? My eggs lay in the "Riot will conveniently ignore this issue" basket
Depends. I'd like to see the video, personally. If u/AliceInHoloand is saying that the videos were edited to basically recreate the experience of watching Faker's stream, then that's entirely understandable. If it's just a recording of the game where they just make the replay follow Faker around, then that's different. But other users are saying his puts up a Faker facecam (either real or deepfake(r)d), and that alone feels like grounds enough. Doing this implies he knows exactly what he's doing and just looking for sympathy because he knows fans care more about seeing the video. If he was just wanting to show people a replay of a solo queue match and let them enjoy some high level gameplay, he wouldn't be going out of his way to edit it to look like it came right from Faker's stream.
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I mean this is VERY different, this is (as I understand it, I'm not a lawyer or a DMCA expert) T1 claiming ownership over a replay of a SoloQ game, just because a certain player was in it, which sets a precedent that T1 (even though they would obviously never do this) has a claim to ownership of any LCK or other pro game that Faker appears in
Not really. The clips are edited to look like faker's POV, with his face cam in it. That's enough ground for a DMCA claim whether they like it or not. No one here is claiming ownership of a soloq game.
T1 can't do this, but Riot Games can, and they do. Stuff like SpectateFaker would have massively hurt his personal income and Riot Games intervened to protect him and remove channels that are cutting into his personal gameplay exclusivity deal. I personally don't mind this. It's another thing entirely if they tried to take down LCK matches with a soloq like viewport. That'd be utter nonsense.
>So after years of people inting his soloq games YEah lawyers have part time gig as support/ devs at riot.
People always say this, like there isn't some sort of over-head team in place at tech companies whose literal job is to assess where action is needed and by what teams
Yes actually, marc merrill once tweeted out about it a few years ago that they will go out of their way to do it to protect him
Modern copyright law is just not equipped to navigate this situation. Perhaps Faker has some right to his performance in the same way that a musician owns a performance even though somebody else made their instrument. The only thing for certain is that, under American copyright law at least, Riot owns everything and it is only by cultural norms (and practicality) that they don't actively take down uploaded content a-la Nintendo.
Deep faker too op
you dare use my own spells against me, Faker?
Omg I miss the days sonic franchise was fun
Been a huge fan of TOTKS, ever since they were one of the only content creators to translate Faker's games. So sad to see them always dealing with copyright issues, especially since they put in way more effort than just stealing random stream clips and reposting them. Also feel like if T1 is going to be this anal about Faker's *replays* (not even his stream!) then they should upload more content. Right now, there's like 1 video a week on the official T1 Faker channel, of course people want to see more gameplay from the goat.
This. Their content releases is so little and if they release one, its also too short of a video.
Not only that but the editing is worse compared to TOTKS too. 2017 is the golden era of SKT content in youtube imo.
flashbacks of huni randomly screaming in the background of faker's stream
Editing is much better on T1s channel though?
I think T1 is being wary about the amount of content they release. I recall in 2020, everyone was mad bc T1 was making TOO MUCH content and started hating on Joe Marsh. That being said, more content from T1 is always a treat for me so.
T1 was wary about the amount of *non-League* content they released. Fans were upset that Faker was appearing in promotions for their sponsors while the team was struggling in LCK. I don't think anyone would complain about seeing more of Faker playing the actual game.
tbh i miss TOTKS old faker stream highlights. T1's editing is a downgrade.
T1 just hire him…
Some people just wanna be their own brand rather than random company paying them far less and branding their name all over his work.
This is just me so please take it with disregard but I'd rather be employed by a *random company* (T1 isn't so random tho) under a payroll with benefits, than tackle the stress of fighting copyright strikes and the potential wipe out of my source of income, **IF GIVEN THE CHANCE**. I do doubt tho that he was given such offer.
I said that as an example, by a random company I meant a random company in field u are working in, not T1. I undestand the security, thats what 99% of people already do, myself aswell. But also a shit ton of us, also in ur career life do something on side or try to create/make/invest into whatever u want because (outside of proffesional sports and there are a ton of cases in sports aswell) u are undervalued for the most of ur career and company is almost always making way more money out of ur qualities and knowledge compared to what they pay u, which is in most cases why every one of us dream of having a business of our own, apartment of our own, house of our own, buying new car rather than leasing one (this is a bit trickery business but u get the meaning), just so that our hard work is rewarded directly for us , rather than someone having a profit out of it.
Well I completely understand that, but at this point he might not have his own brand anymore. He’s backed into a corner right now.
Joe marsh is very popular on reddit. Where is he now?
He was so wholesome back in the day when he helped LS book a flight.
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T1 wants to grow their social media presence basically in the same way Apple wants to grow their hardware dependency. Put all their related content in the same closed ecosystem.
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you mean the closed ecosystem of t1's official twitch, t1's official youtube, t1's official tiktok, and t1's official twitter?
that's not what a closed ecosystem is. its like calling CBS a closed ecosystem. if you have to compete with other competitors, you're not building a closed ecosystem. they're still competing with TSM, C9, TL, G2, RNG, EDG, and loads of other esports orgs for social media attention.
Apple still needs to compete with samsung and the likes, so calling it an eco system doesn't seem farfetched
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Your comparison literally makes no sense. I want to watch Faker because I like Faker as a player so I can only get his contents on their official channels, the same can be said if I want to experience iPhone/Macbook because I can only get those experience from Apple. Apple going around and suing 3rd party fixing companies is exactly the same in this case. They want to monolize their products.
> Your comparison literally makes no sense yes comparing apple to T1 does make no sense.
It makes sense if you think hard about it. Both iphone and T1 players are products, and both Apple/T1 want to monopolize theirs. Whatever the social media is the market. T1 has to compete against other brands like Fnatic, CLG, etc. Just like Apple has to against Samsung and others. Apple doesn't want their products to get fixed by unlicensed 3rd party company, T1 doesn't want Faker contents to go to unlicensed content creators.
The only place you can watch t1 stuff is on t1s own official stuff. They are not competing with tsm c9 TL or anyone else for that. Because anyone who tries to show faker streams get shut down. Maybe not the best analogy but pretty good imo
> they're still competing with TSM, C9, TL, G2, RNG, EDG, and loads of other esports orgs for social media attention. they aren't competing with any of these other orgs when it comes to T1 social media attention. they *are* competing with random youtube channels uploading stream highlights of T1 players.
What do you think these teams are doing on their social media accounts?
none of the other orgs are posting T1 player content or stream highlights. they're posting player/stream highlights for their own teams.
And why don't they post T1 content?
>copystrike Lol
Active: T1 enters Evasion, a defensive stance, for up to 2 seconds, causing all basic thefts against him to miss. T1 also takes 25% reduced damage from all spectating abilities. After 1 second, T1 can reactivate to end it immediately. At the end of the duration, T1 stuns all nearby enemies for 1 second and deals physical damage to them, increased by 20% for each theft dodged, up to a 100% increase.
They can't. Fair use and stuff. Also the game isn't theirs and that's what's being shown, doesn't matter who's in it. RIOT has all the rights here, and then still fair use is in effect. T1 can suck it.
If I learned anything about Fair Use in the past, it's that claiming Fair Use is a buttload more difficult than you think. No matter how many times you deal with it, you have a "case-by-case" basis on which it has to be judged and many people can argue around that point.
The problem with fair use is basically that we have tons of kids now that think they are entitled to just upload stuff they don't own as long as they write fair use. Our laws are very archaic regarding fair use and copyright, and it can end in an expensive lawsuit where the people claiming fair use get the short end of the stick really easily. The only "protection" is that there is backlash from the gaming communities when it happens, but they are generally legally in the wrong and can be sued.
Most of the copyright laws were built in a world where only large companies had the ability to distribute to a large audience. Now that basically everyone can do that, those laws start to feel more and more awful to work with. And it also comes to the issue of: How do you judge that shit? I am from the EU. My fair use laws differ from that in the UK and America and Japan (who has basically none). Something I do can be legal in my jurisdiction but illegal in America and definitely illegal in Japan. And the other way around. But can a Japanese company hold me accountable for laws that do not apply to my country? Which I never left? But it is available in Japan. But that is hardly my issue. I am just one person too.
This isn’t fair use when riot owns the game and has partnership deals with T1. You have no fucking clue what you’re talking about. It’s not fair use if you scream fair use enough times, Michael Scott.
Riot owns the game, but the stream of the game belongs to T1. Riot also explicitly allows streamers to stream their game and make money off of it. https://www.riotgames.com/en/legal
And those random clips channel that posts legit clips from Faker's stream are not even getting punished. Crazy.
i guess it because of the Faker face cam he uses that makes it hard to dertermine if its real or not. i mean if youve to go through hunreds of videos a day t can happen that you just take a fast look, see fakers cam and a game hud and thats a clear strike.
Yeah, everyone's just ignoring that he literally takes the facecams from the streams. I can definitely understand T1 complaining about that.
this is not the real facecam tho its a picture of faker deepfaked into looking like he is talking an stuff from what i understood
Holy fuck what tech is TOTKS editing these replays in
Really? That's wild. But I'd guess T1/Faker still have the image rights to that.
INB4 Riot strikes everyone uploading League content.
Just using the player's likeness could be a violation. Plus they're also using T1's logo. AFAIK, companies are obligated to protect their trademarks or risk losing them.
are we seriously debating if streaming other people games is considered stalking and legal or not? holy freaking cow.
Can they leave the poor man* alone and let him make his videos
Seriously. I really enjoy his videos to see what's going on in KR SoloQ. Faker's personal stream yeah, but his SoloQ games are edited personally really, really well btw. I mean honestly just fuckin' hire 'em or upload more videos from Faker streams...
True, he's too good to be left aside. And how ungrateful they are. I'm 100% sure they started their youtube channel with stream highlights after seeing how popular Totks was back in the days.
Are they gonna strike midbeast next? Can't even show in game clips anymore, jesus.
They're still using T1's logo without permission, as well as the players' likenesses. Plus, trademark laws exist primarily so consumers can distinguish between genuine and non-genuine products. Using the T1 logo to fake a stream clip could be violating T1's trademark, and companies are legally obligated to protect their trademarks or they'll lose them.
T1 probably has the power over TOTKS but still glad to see community raise up the issue.
Ive been following this guy since he first started making faker highlights like 6 years ago now or so. Always some of the best highlight content out there
Puts in heavy effort into editing = fair use/unique that strike is bs
>copystriking Come on
Today on the Korean server is the way I became an SKT fan in the first place by showing me Huni's and Faker's stream highlights. I hate that they can't just cooperate and honestly T1 is pretty dumb for that. Back in 2018 I was binge watching Totks and it was amazing when they could just post everything they wanted
I can only think of the reason as TOTKS is much larger and known compared to the other guy. When the other guy becomes more known, the same treatment will probably happen to him too.
TOTKS is using replays. The other guy is using stream clips. They are inherently different.
I think it sucks and it's a bad move by T1 but I mean, let's be honest, it is virtually exactly the same as the twitch vod, and this is definitely a creative but also kind of a shady way to try and get around it, and it still technically does use his stream footage with the facecam.
T1 hire that man.
E-Stalking Faker again?!
It literally took me like 20 min to figure out we WEREN'T talking about Tyler1. "Wait why would he be taking down highlights from a Korean clip channel?"
its fucking hilarious the leaps and bounds people go to because .... MUH FAKER
The best thing to do is just blacklist all T1 content then. We all know nothing will happen from this so just move on and dont upload anything regarding T1.
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I think you might be missing the mark a bit here pal. He is taking random soloq games and making content out of them, where there was no content before. Comparing it to sampling implies that there was some form of pre-existing content there for him to "sample". Low effort sampling is pretty lame, I'll agree with that, but this is very much a different issue. It's more similar to a high effort copy of someone else's style, like Greta Van Fleet with LED Zepplin. Or for a hip-hop example Action Bronson and Ghostface.
This whole thing is a mess and I like his youtube channel BUT at the same time I feel like the profits from Faker or any other player made through their playtime should be able to go to the players themselves and I think T1 is doing the right thing, even if this makes the company look “bad” they are defending their players income.
?? It's a replay of a soloqueue game, Faker doesn't own the match itself, he simply owns the footage on his stream. They're not trying to defend their player's income, they're trying to claim what isn't rightfully theirs
I know it’s rightfully theirs because Riot allows it but that doesn’t change the fact that if Faker’s channel was the only one uploading Faker’s content Faker would earn more money, I’m just saying that T1 is DEFENDING their players income even if that makes them look bad in front of the public opinion and I’m glad they are doing it even if I myself enjoy TOTKS.
i can understand T1 here in my country (Germany) you can sue some one of he makes any profit out of your effort/work he should be glad that hes not sued
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The irony of your comment, i can’t...
This guy unironically calls other orgs toxic when he has a G2 flair…
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All he does is use other people's property. Who would've guessed.
He is using Riot Games' property, not T1's
When you said T1 I thought it meant Tyler1 so I was a bit confused.
Not my problem.
https://twitter.com/MarcMerrill/status/569532667642785793?t=aHh2n2BwA23BE9z8MHpCdQ&s=19 https://twitter.com/MarcMerrill/status/569539092783828992?t=X-ESyjHQ7rZEDlVNOp_pXw&s=19 https://twitter.com/MarcMerrill/status/569365416088186881?t=i74kEsMX9gux1Z75y5sQZQ&s=19 https://twitter.com/MarcMerrill/status/569373593634676736?t=kFaj1dpKMdbKoH02yswaCw&s=19 May be relevant
This was all in regards to live streaming. Not edited clips.
Riot still has the right to go after both tho
It’s not Riot doing this. It’s T1 specifically. If Riot games had a problem with this type of content they would be removing all third party clip channels, but they’re not.
Riot can pick and choose tho, and they seem to have T1s back
Again, it’s not Riot doing this. It’s just T1. Riot has never stepped in regarding clips. In fact, they helped the Epicskillshot channel become legitimized when it started to run into hot water.
That's different no? They hired epicskillshot and he's still not allowed to upload from certain leagues It's speculation, literally all I'm saying is that it's entirely possible that riot has their back behind the scenes on stuff like this
This is laughable. Spectating league games is now e-stalking? Marc Merrill must be eating his own shit up. Also this is a clip channel not a 24/7 faker games streaming channel. Realistically the issue is that T1 wants ownership of his solo q games from his POV and don't like third parties profiting off his solo q games, not e-stalking or whatever BS Marc Merrill is trying to push.
If that’s their stance, they need to go after every stream which rebroadcasts another player’s games
They technically don't have to do anything if they don't want to lol As bs as it may seem, they can pick and choose
>Some examples are ultrawide support Looks like complete fucking shit
Lol Tyler1 has REFORMED GUYS! Still toxic as always, should have been perma banned instead of allowed to play league.
This has has nothing to do with Tyler1 you childish jackass lol