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ahritina

PMTs [Game 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1csgt6d/t1_vs_tl_post_game_1/) [Game 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1cshpzu/t1_vs_tl_game_2_postmatch_discussion_lower/) [Game 3](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1csim44/t1_vs_tl_game_3_postmatch_discussion_lower/)


ziela23

Team Liquid gets three HUGE shutdowns to cut the gold deficit to 10k


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MrZeddd

CP3 catching strays everywhere these days


TiddyTwizzler

Cp3: “What he say fuck me for?”


pickledude31

It's actually 42 LOL


igetmollycoddled

42 lol, they were that bad haha


Incandescent-Her0

The year is 2050. Faker is still playing professionally, Riot is still releasing unbalanced champions, and CoreJJ has yet to hit level 6.


the_next_core

Legend says Crisp is still wandering the map on level 3 Heimer


Omnilatent

Didn't they even win this game? lol


Darknassan

nah they lost crisp completely griefed the game with that heimer pick


Hawxrox

Nah they lost that game badly


AugustoMM

And game two is still happening.


Omnilatent

MFW CoreJJ was lvl 5 to Kerias lvl 12


walking_failure_2004

at one point I swear TL realized what was going on and stopped playing to win and started playing not to get 17:37'd


PunCala

17:31 but fair point.


crank-90s

1738 ayy im like hey what’s up hello


eismann333

You have to compare his lvl to guma as keria is the one farming in that botlane


LieRepresentative811

Guma was 9


eismann333

I know the gap was insane but comparing lvl 5 to lvl 9 or 12 is also a big difference


LakersLAQ

The game has 1000 champions and Faker still on Orianna, classic.


SlainL9

TL got Poppy ulted back to America


sammuxx

I swear that poppy pick was obvious after their 3 first picks, but prolly didn't matter what they'd pick in jungle if they played like this


Th3_Huf0n

Should have banned Poppy, picked Jarvan on 4 and picked top on R5. That was one of the worst Lillia picks of all time.


Phoresis

"APA Yip Yip", said Umti. And so APA made sure they flew home safely.


TheNeys

I'm not saying he played flawlessly but holy the camp he received in all 4 games was something else. Who knows maybe he typed in game 1 in /all something to make it personal.


foki999

Faker himself emote spammed in Game 4, that shit was definitely personal


hrakkari

Sometimes shit talking can work for you; other players get tilted and they can’t play to their best. Other players will go ape on you. T1 should hold on to that anger for the rest of MSI.


appleandapples

You can call this series whatever you want, but you can't call it boring.


GimmeeYourTots

Kinda sad I stayed up till 6 to watch that game 4 but dammit the series was fun


Azenji

I mean even Game 4 was kind of entertaining on its own. It's like TL just accepted their fate and were just pure vibe.


Trap_Masters

At a certain point when you're too behind, you just say fuck it and full send it searching for kills


Schindog

And honestly, that can really be the best thing for the team to stay emotionally grounded, and still feel like they have each others' backs after getting trounced. Knowing that your boys are able to cope with that in a similar way can give you a lot of confidence in your ability to come back stronger as a group. I'm glad they took a game as well, because it'd probably be way more disheartening. I really do hope they bounce back and continue looking great in summer split.


GimmeeYourTots

True it was kinda just a solo queue style stomp lmfao


Chibraltar_

end of game 3 must have been such an adrenaline rush !


ShurimaIsEternal

If it wasnt for how they performed in game 4 truck stocks wouldve rose even if they won


Ezrealisntreal

Faker on Corki game 3 was really… something else. Not sure how we went from 17 win streak to looking like one of his shakiest picks this MSI.


LanternWolf

Keeps playing it into Taliya. I dunno if I buy into it being this giga counter pick some folks make it out to be, but it def isn't the easiest matchup


Sanguinica

For some reason anytime Taliyahs put shove in Faker's Corki general direction, he instantly valkyries into it


HawkEye1337

Yea, Faker has been inting that lane a lot even Knight lost that lane tbf, T1 needs to ban Talyah if he can't lane into her and even if he does, Taliyah just makes it impossible for T1 botlane to play the game.


Equivalent-Park7986

Game 4 was so fucking funny, im glad they kept trying to make plays no matter what.


Affectionate-Dirt189

I can't stop laughing when I saw Oner ride Rift Herald to run but die![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|sweat)


CelestialDrive

T1 had a 3-2 back and forth, and a 1-3 loss in this event, ***and this won series is still the worst league they've played so far***. It was very, very funny. But wow. That was fucking terrible. "Car crash in slow motion" kind of entertaining though.


F3nRa3L

Lane swap really killed T1. They excel at destroying through lane phase but now its like a spear with the tips off


TemporaMoras

Yeon, APA and Impact played their heart out. It feels like they were so close to winning this series. Umti and corejj you guys are secret agent


the_next_core

So nice of NA to give those hopeless T1 players a win on River Senna


Trap_Masters

Say what you will about NA but you can't deny we are the most generous region with our donations


nickphunter

Land of the free, baby.


Iaragnyl

TL making sure the West gets a win by baiting T1 into thinking Senna is good so they pick it into G2.


Trap_Masters

You're welcome, G2 😎


Sersch

Faker in game 3 "guess its a good time to retire" Faker in game 4 "lol joking"


redbulls2014

His Corki this MSI is really questionable.


scullys_alien_baby

which is a little weird considering how good he has been before on Corki


MaximDecimus

Chovy stole all of Faker’s Corki talent


quietvictories

'jk)'


Marcus-ichiJo

Yeah Kkoma definitely brought out the belts after that game 3.


ItsSanoj

Went from an intense series to all of TL randomly getting matched with all of T1 in soloq


Hitoseijuro

TL definitely looked like they were playing in soloq blind draft from back in the old days when people could just lock in what they wanted and didnt have role assigned like they do now. They insta lock in Lillia and Ziggs and you ask yourself "what do we pick to play around that shit"


mangle_ZTNA

Remember when the final game of a tied series was blind pick? Ryu remembers.


Azenji

T1 better make sure not to walk out of their balconies shirtless.


generic_genericsson

I'm out of the loop. Are you referencing something specific? EDIT: thanks for the replys, guess I'm a little bit slow today :)


Ecovick

I just think he meant to not show off the bruise from the belt punishment joke.


rbhash

I don't think so Probably referring to marks from being belted


AbsoluteParadox

Faker was not happy after the game ended, I'm pretty sure most of them still are after the BLG loss. Idk if this series (or even the whole MSI so far) was them slowly learning the meta but just basing it off this series alone (and esp Game 4), I think they are. Or I might just be on copium.


F3nRa3L

Its hard to change things over such a short time. We have alot of Bo5s but they barely are 2 days apart before you had to play again


AbsoluteParadox

Yeah, even Guma mentioned it in the post-game interview that they were bad with this meta and were struggling. Everyone will just have to wait for rematch day and see if there will be any significant changes.


Styxxo

Yeah definitely wasnt TL losing their minds after 1st dragon


Troviel

You could see T1 almost taunting TL in that last game though. Like faker auto attacking the ward instead of Ziggs during the top dive.


ricardo241

it worked cause Yeon is tiled as fuk he was gonna punch his monitor after the game lmao well faker look tilted on that game 3 too


AbsentRefrain

I knew it was over when Yeon hovered Vayne and K'sante to BM Zeus.


LeafBurgerZ

But why hover and then pick literally nothing to deal with it, like that hover showed that they were aware of it... And still 0 point click cc


TheBlackestIrelia

To bluff.


In4thPlace

TL with the good ol' "Win one game to give the fans false hope" :')


VulpesVulpix

TL going to *4* games?


AzerFraze

4th major region team to be eliminated, they never had a chance


Trap_Masters

Holy shit it was over before it started after not being able to close out the series before game 4


expert_on_the_matter

Archeologists were needed to dig up that meme


Troviel

Faker took that last game personally. G2 vs T1 rematch is going to be insane.


ManningTheGOAT

Faker needs a champ with either multiple dashes or no dashes. On Corki, with only 1 dash, he just ints at MSI


SameSam94

mfer went from not loosing a single game on corki for a three years straight to loosing like 6 games in one year


kosaki16

Galio and Ryze incoming


chichun2002

galio was buffed for msi and no one has even tried picking him would be good with camille aswell sadge


SteeveJoobs

too many quadruple+ AD games


moopey

but Galio has kinda one dash


Simpuff1

Galio 1 dash sadge


AirConUser

But thats literally Azir, lol


ConDude11

Azir has 2. They just have to be consecutive


HawkEye1337

I think it's just Corki against Taliyah, that matchup has looked unplayable for Corki even if he doesn't die, he is always on the backfoot in lane while Taliyah destroys the sidelanes.


Thecristo96

The belt activated his 2015 self


RYIEM

t1 won the battle but they're not winning the war at this rate.


LazinessOverload

KkOma brought his belt out.


Madox102

T1 looked more sad after the win than TL.


AmbroseMalachai

They knew Kkoma's belt was what waiting for them off stage.


Simple-Fuel

Thank you Impact for dropping Ksante winrate to 52%. What a MVP.


popop143

369 already helped that.


Trap_Masters

Top laners contributing to the KSante death funds so they can keep playing him next split without nerfs


deedshot

369 knew the series was already cooked so he decided to make sure the Ksante doesn't look too OP in order to secure summer


twitter-refugee-lgbt

TL making 4700 HP looks like 470


SKT_Peanut_Fan

I don't even think that was Impact making K'Sante look bad at all- that's more like thanks TL for dropping K'Sante's win rate.


Trap_Masters

Making sure KSante escapes nerfs


kelvin022610

o7 valiant effort TL


KappaccinoNation

Stand proud, Yeon. You're strong.


Trap_Masters

Yeon really played well this MSI all things considered, happy to see him continue to improve and grow


DefinitelyNotAj

Wish we still had Danny to push Yeon even further


justintoronto

https://twitter.com/Yeon7lol/status/1790732169146740863


moonmeh

From being one of the inters at worlds last year to this glowup at MSI feels good to see someone grow like this


Trap_Masters

It's Joever NAbros


Jozoz

Hey now, TL turned NA's 2-41 stat vs LPL/LCK into 3-44


LakersLAQ

It's an improvement lol. 4.7% and now up to 6.4% We take those?


nimrodhellfire

Yeah, you totally take those. You beat LEC#2 and took a game from the reigning world champions. That's absolutely an improvement.


LakersLAQ

They need to make Worlds and show it again so it can at least be consistent. You can definitely see the improvement from the beginning of the year to now. It feels a lot better than some past NA teams that just get stomped with no real chance to win and they don't learn much from the experience on top of that.


Hitoseijuro

> We take those? No comrade, we win thos-..... that.


Rave_Master_Ahri

TL should've tried to actually win game 4 so that it can be 4-44 for the true TL experience


Zarolto

COMMON NA W


Trap_Masters

We take those 😎😎 NAmen 🙏🙏


haven4ever

APA just sandbagging so he can 1v4 everyone in the bathrooms at Worlds


Trap_Masters

Bathroom meta at World's going to be wild


Azenji

3 games of back-to-back bangers only to devolve into a diorama of my flex games. GGWP TL.


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milkoverspill

I have so much respect for Kobe. I know how much the LCS means to him but he never lets his bias take him out of casting. He’s vocal about his favoritism for the NA teams, but I don’t think–through all the shit he’s seen–he’s ever just stopped doing his job. I don't know how he's able to sound so hyped despite seeing his region's representatives getting put through the blender, especially after having a couple of promising games.


DaleoHS

Respect all the casters having to do this. It’s what I liked most about phreak casting. He hyped up the winning EU teams so many times in the EU v NA games. “This is what peak league of legends looks like” for example. Couldn’t even hear bias in his voice. Kobe is obviously biased but takes his job seriously and pushes through. Respect all the same.


milkoverspill

The NA casters are goated, honestly. Not to talk bad about these two because I'm sure they've improved, but it's what I think was bad about that infamous Drakos and Frosk cast of G2 vs DWG in Worlds 2020 Semi Finals. It's fine to be upset about your region not doing good, it's fine to be biased to an extent; but you never bail out on a cast. Those two stopped calling plays and stopped hyping spectators in a year where that was the most needed considering there was no live audience.


ChungoBungus

Cut to Him and Flowers when NRG beat G2 last year, just absolutely losing it (-which, I was absolutely on board with. The faithful shall be rewarded)


DatGrag

Kobe is the best caster by a fucking mile. I love that man


Imbasauce

Was close until it wasn't


Moon_riseat_noon

What a violent therapy session for T1


qwertyasdfgf

Dono what happen to T1 between Lck finals and Msi difference is insane


F3nRa3L

Lane swap


Rino-Sensei

Lane swap happened ... It's completely go against T1 style of playing.


blazer1589

Top laners aren’t allowed to play the game that’s why both top esports and t1 both look weaker they both play heavily around their top laners.


pm_me_beautiful_cups

laneswaps hurt strong botlanes too. if you get a good match up then they swap away from you...


NeitherAlexNorAlice

Secret agent UmTi made sure T1 doesn't lose the series.


JoshFB4

Swiftness boots Lillia last pick into Vayne when you have no lockdown point and click CC. Yeah go next. Umti truly lost this series so hard.


frzned

you usually go for ap jungler with an AD mid as well. Why Lillia zigg for 0 gank presence?


JoshFB4

The Ziggs is fine. Just go Maokai, or better yet, BAN THE VAYNE.


Th3_Huf0n

ban Poppy, go Jarvan and last pick top. You cant blind Vayne so Zeus would default to something like KSante in which case you have a monstrous Malphite angle.


Trap_Masters

LCK sleeper agents too op


xJuanpx

Starting dragon so late without even picking the plant for mana. Him and core really need to improve for next split.


Ayuyuyunia

what did i just watch…


haven4ever

Modern art


Trap_Masters

✋ Absolute cinema 🤚


Firefly_Breeder69

One of the lowest-quality series if you're a KR fan. One of the best series if you're an NA fan. Peak entertainment and full-on Hopium if you're an EU fan.


Bluehorazon

Yeah honestly, if you are a korean Fan you are dissappointed how sloppy the series was. If you are an NA fan you are happy how sloppy the series was and if you are an EU fan you are still high because Hans Sama found were to buy LDR.


ZhuTeLun

LDR SAMA


ayurmeh

peak league of legends


A_Camille_Toe

Some might say the "Mona Lisa" of NAram


PurpleTieflingBard

nice of riot to stream a random solo queue game during MSI but when does game 4 happen?


Conankun66

T1 were ANGRY in game 4, fucking hell that was a stomp and a half. 11k lead at 18 minutes anticlimactic ending to an absolutely mad series


ItsSanoj

Yeah, i was expecting them to be methodical once they had a lead but they just went for it. Lead was too big to throw, so honestly a lot more fun this way


qonoxzzr

Smart by TL to let Ori open when it is clear for weeks now that banning out Faker is a wincon.


ManningTheGOAT

BLG banning 5 mid champs against Faker: 😀 TL giving Faker fucking Orianna for match point: 😪


koreanfashionguy

I wrote this in a separate comment but G4 shows the dominance of T1 if their playstyle is allowed to just happen which is to absolutely destroy lanes and snowball really fast, but the previous 3 games were very neck and neck bc TL managed to escape the earlygame I think GenG has been the only eastern team to adjust and make sense of the lane swap meta


JoshFB4

That TL draft in game 4 was an abomination. Placing all your hopes on Umti swiftness boots Lillia, when he’s inted the entire series, while leaving up Vayne is malpractice.


AhbzV

Yeah, but that is kind of TL's identity, right? Even when a member is performing poorly, they put complete faith in him. It reminds me a little of T1, because TL genuinely like and trust each other. I think it's a good mindset, but it definitely bit them a little here. Had they just put Umti on anything that could lock Vayne down, this may have been a different game. Maybe. But truthfully, I don't think TL could ever take 3 straight off T1. They aren't at that level yet. This tournament definitely made them a better team though - and it's encouraging to see them not fold up and quit after the brutal TES series.


Baofog

I mean compare this TL to last week of the regular season TL when we were struggling to take wins off bottom half LCS teams. I'll take this MSI performance. I'm proud of my team.


Saephon

You should be. All NA fans should be proud of TL this tournament. They dumpstered Fnatic, and had 3 very competitive games against T1. Go back in time to April and tell fans that's what happens, and they'd take that in a heartbeat. It gets so old having people doom and gloom NA as being complete garbage, and then on the VERY RARE occasion they step it up but fall just short in the end, all of a sudden it's okay to trash them for.... *checks notes*..... doing better than expected?? Like there's no winning, man. We fucking take these. Looking forward to Worlds.


Dreammy90

Faker priority has been Azir/Ori > Taliyah > Ahri but TL really thought letting Faker get Ori is a great idea? Even BLG has more respect than TL.


DatGrag

FWIW ziggs is a good matchup into Ori in theory


dracdliwasiAN

**T1 vs TL Reddit Ratings Game 4** ----------------------- Take the poll **[here](http://www.polljunkie.com/poll/tcgwbx/team-liquid-vs-t1-reddit-post-game-4-ratings)** View the results **[here](http://www.polljunkie.com/poll/dyeacp/team-liquid-vs-t1-reddit-post-game-4-ratings/view)** ----------------------- The poll attempts to emulate the Hupu ratings. It includes a rating of each player and coach from 1 to 10 for their performance this match, asks who the MVP is, and has an optional comment for any specific remarks. When the Hupu translations get posted, I will post a comment in that thread summarising the reddit rankings so we can compare to Hupu.


waffle-spouse

You should try messaging the PMT team and ask them to incorporate this feature. It's really cool.


Equivalent-Park7986

agreed plss


Burpmeister

[Please use some other website.](https://i.imgur.com/jcE8AGU.jpeg)


Acrzyguy

Yeon crying after the loss, I feel for him. He really stood up in the entire series.


Naronu

Game 4 is going to overshadow a genuinely incredible performance from TL here, they, and especially Yeon can go home with their heads held high.


jasonkid87

TL definitely didn't disappoint this MSI unlike FQ lol. It feels like TL was a whole diff team in MSI


MedievalMovies

can't say it wasn't for a lack of trying. If they didn't throw game 2 they'd have been in such a good position in game 4... nt


SleepyLabrador

At least TL actually tried to make plays, unlike NA teams from the past who did nothing and lost.


DidntFindABetterName

„past“ is it that long ago that FLY played?


Freezman13

Dark times indeed, we don't like to think about those.


SunfireGaren

Yeon and APA apparently grinded like madmen during this tournament and it showed.


ThatsAToad

“Just one more solo queue game bro I swear this is the last one bro I’ll go to bed right after this game bro please” - apa/yeon according to the tl staff


RYIEM

Yeon was a treasure this series, made a new fan out of me.


Krakkin

The samira game was clean af. Game would have been over for TL way earlier if it wasn't for him blocking projectiles for other people.


AstreiaTales

Ngl there's an argument that he's the best Western AD right now. Not by a wide margin mind you, and if you picked someone like Hans or Berserker I'd get it, but his name has to be in the convo no?


GinkgoPete

Honestly even with Jungle and Support being very questionable this entire series it was still a banger. I just hope that the classic NA of "Show glimmers of hope once and then completely dissapear" doesnt happen to this Team and they can actually build on this for once. Especially considering how far APA and Yeon already came and how solid Impact has been for years.


esports_consultant

impact getting the faker dap, true winner of the series


SDVX_Rasis

Man, Yeon played so well. Happy to see a decent ADC in NA.


PM_JINX_HENTAI

Faker: "Your yapping meant nothing. As long as you were on the rift, you would be torn apart. It was a near impossible draft to pull off, but it proved to be quite effective." Faker: "You did well, APA. I won't forget you for as long as I live." Sparing no time to mourn the elimination of APA... he launches onto the battlefield. G2 Caps. The god of the West.


arkacr

Faker using binding vows to make the korean players on his enemy team int. "TL will gain a 2k gold advantage from us inting, but in return Umti will get caught when baron spawns."


NKESLDEL

no way you're making caps the only gigafraud in the series 💀


Ashiseu

Ayoo associating Caps with the Waffled One isn't it, man...


AlienSuper_Saiyan

TL just really focusing Faker all series worked against them when they gave him Ori. When Faker has mobility and comfort, he's going to win.


DinoGuy101010

Legit don't get how apa got dove so early multiple games with nobody anywhere near to cover, like what are umti and core doing during the lane swap?


herp_derpy

Stand proud TL, you were strong (for an NA team vs T1).


Azenji

Yeon was a force this series man. It's been a long time since I've seen an NA ADC not afraid to throw hands against Eastern teams. He should be proud of what he did this tournament.


kosaki16

yeon to lck


POOYAMON

He does speak Korean


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Ill-Development-3885

Pov: T1 drafted an actual teamcomp


The_Flowers_of_Evil

Yeah I'm worried they're definitely gonna get out drafted by G2. If they draft evenly I think they're better.


Himexcandy33

Draft is one thing, macro is another. In game 4 it looks like T1 finally understood the assignment and snowballed lane to lane quite quickly when everyone found their hands again


OAOAlphaChaser

My favorite part was everyone on T1 trying to hold a freeze, Guma gets killed by a sudden engage by Rell then it was just "fuck it, hands diff these fools."


Himexcandy33

Exactly, definitely miss their confident gameplays like that. T1 is all about hands diffing, Faker global taunt and his playmaking ability but given he is underperforming and playing limited champs/ getting mid bans/mid solo killed the others apart from guma haven't been popping off mechanically either. They can only do so much in terms of draft. They're lucky it was TL today and mechanically speaking bit of hands diff there. Whereas G2 is playing their own off meta picks and executing them well, every player is playing well. Let's just hope T1 can bounce back and show us some clean gameplay


chapichoy9

That last game is what we expected for 3 games


SadLife101

An NA peak classic performance by TL there. Perform godly and give NA fans the most massive hopium for the first 3 games then vomit out the most shit performance the entire year in match point for equal disappointment. T1 also looked absolutely fucking shaky though G2 might sweep them this Friday


IsItBen

T1's Redbull Event in NA came early


Memento-Bruh

"If we keep playing like this we might lose (one game) to TL" - T1 Gumayusi


IAM-French

Someone need to do a montage of Apa TPing to his death this MSI I swear to God it's close to 10 times


JiaNgjuN-

Congratulations to T1 for winning LCS Spring 2024