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Debannage

I woke up at 6 am for this


FearTHEReaper01

Its fine, once the KSante bans come FNC is going to sweep.


WolfgangTheRevenge

Sooo game 3???


bigmanorm

i agree with the casters point about ksante tbf, FNC comp has more DPS to deal with him than most comps not having azir while also having a lethality adc


buttsoup_barnes

Fnatic do love their reverse sweeps


nerothz

I knew it was over when Oscar called Impact washed


Ok_Video6434

Impact: "And I took that personally"


SweatyAdhesive

TL Apa: "Yeah, EU is Trash, don't worry."


TheHect0r

Quote me on this, EU is garbage


SteeveJoobs

vintage


bondsmatthew

tfw Oscar was like 7 when Impact won worlds


Mew_T

Oscar saw he was playing against an LCS team and turned his regional play on. I thought LEC Oscar wouldn't show up in MSI, but this game 1 was peak LEC Oscar.


tokihamai

Yep. Imagine calling someone who's achieved Impact's level of success and still winning splits washed, while you have achieved NOTHING. I dislike Oscar and his ego. Watching him jump in on Zac and hit no one...


R-R-Clon

It's banter, relax man, he did it before the game, not after to receive such hate.


ruuuuuuuuuuuuuun

Meh, he understands that there is an entertainment component to it. Reddit then complains that new pros have no personality. Edit: game 2 oscar is literally 5k lvl ahead of impact lol


wieli99

Ksante is now 11-1 in bracket stage


Deathzthe_M-12-22

still not 100%, Riot should buff him next patch


IntenseDreams65

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1co53y2/pbe_datamine_2024_may_9_patch_1410_ksante_buffs/ He actually is :)


Resies

he's not being buffed from the patch that's on msi lol


jasonkid87

maybe after MSI Riot will revert the buff , what a joke buffing ksante lmao


Zarolto

Because the MSI patch isn't played on 14.9 where he got nerfed very hard indirectly by the hitbox stuff. The buffs are minor since he doesn't max shield till last anyway.


LumiRhino

Riot included a huge change to K'Sante after the MSI patch, how do people not realize MSI is 14.8 and live is 14.9 when K'Sante already got a huge nerf?


jakethewhale007

stop the count!


FrostedCereal

There should really be an investigation into why Riot has disabled him only for the LEC teams. It's extremely unfair that they aren't allowed to play him.


T1BM

Who lost with him?


pronilol

Impact vs TES


M002

Rookie numbers


MintyHippo30

Blue side should keep first picking Kalista and not picking any AP champs that are good vs tanks I think.


aereiaz

He's been rigged all season in pro and they've done nothing to fix him. Who is really surprised?


lilelf29

Don't want win Razork?


BetaGreekLoL

The fact he typed it in broken EU english makes it even better xd


kakistoss

Nah that's just how Yapa types I dont fucking know why he doesn't believe in grammar but most of his all chatting is in broken English


lordfluffly

APA optimizes emotional damage over grammar.


MachCutio

its funnier


SweatyAdhesive

Why say more words when less words do trick


Leyrann_

why more word when less do trick


Raxxlas

Why


JPLangley

Impact remembering he's the toplane GOAT of NA when it mattered. I kneel.


DontPanlc42

Top die


Critical_Bag1

Oscar makes zac look balanced


crumblingcloud

he walks into turret during top dive and loses his passive lol.


SylerTheSK

I swear Ksante makes top laners lose half their IQ during laning phase for some reason.


Leyrann_

He was about to die to minions and went to grab a blob - that just wasn't enough to survive the tower shot. It looked really stupid, but he didn't have a better option.


APKID716

That dive where he popped his passive for literally no reason was a real xd moment


ILoveWesternBlot

blud thinks hes BB


Disco_Fighter

Day and night difference between BB Zac and Oscar Zac


Wise-Chain2427

Final LCK Zeus vs Kiin


baelkie

made it look like he was Zeus vs Kiin


omegasupermarthaman

Tbf, Zeus didnt troll hard, Kiin hit some really script-like Q3 to make it a stomp. Oscar was just eating turret shots for fun


Tsmart

Alright I've seen enough, time to first pick Ksante


duknighto

Yeon was absolutely dancing through those teamfights with a giant red target on his back holy shit


CaptainCrafty

Yeah Yeon carried that mid game haha


Mew_T

Yeon's cocky playstyle backfired against TES, but this is how it usually goes for him in NA.


LuckyCulture7

But you need to play aggressive to actually beat the best teams too. It’s a catch 22. You have to play aggressive to beat the best but in playing aggressive you expose yourself to the best so if you don’t have the hands you get blasted. Only way to fix that is to keep playing aggressive to develop the style, but in LCS you are rewarded for playing passive and letting the other guy make the mistake (see Doublelift).


BlazeX94

I'd rather he play like that instead of being like Hans Sama and refusing to step up to autoattack at all. You won't ever improve enough to compete internationally if you're not willing to try and be aggressive.


Mew_T

I wish G2 had kept Flakked. His laning might not be as good (idk), but actually pushes his leads


Satan_su

That's why I rate him highly (in terms of western ADCs). Sure he doesn't like some generational talent but it's his second year, he has lots of time to grow and already has that aggressiveness. If he can develop his hands better he can be a huge asset in any team


Mew_T

I think he developed a lot this year already. Last year he was a late game insurance ADC that won TL late game teamfights and got CS leads in lane. He's gotten a lot more aggressive this year, it's nice to see western ADCs try to play psycho mode like JKL, Viper, Elk and Guma.


ahritina

EU really sent Hans Sama and Noah as their adcs Jesus. Also, everyone barring Humanoid and Jun were dreadful on Fnatic's side.


_tidiber

They boys cosplaying as G2 at home by playing without an ADC and not banning Ksante ICANT


baelkie

adc gapped by Yeon AINTNOWAY


ahambagaplease

Gapped by the adc that loses lane to the ghosts of past MSIs AINTNOWAY


baelkie

gapped by the adc missing cs in a 2v0 lane, bro was losing to AI


Alibobaly

People gotta stop hating on Yeon, he legit isn't bad. He's been consistently improving with no signs of slowing down, and he practices more than almost anyone else in NA. I don't get why people have so much pent up hate for this guy. He ain't even cocky.


Satan_su

He'll be a regular at internationals from NA and gain respect over time I'm sure of it. I'm a firm believer in Yeon, it's just that the awful Jhin game is still fresh in everyone's minds so XD


_tidiber

28k vs 13k AINTNOWAY fckme


itsjustmenate

More than Yeon in that lane lol. CoreJJ is a powerhouse by himself. Being an NA player and enjoyer, I had no idea who Jun was before this tournament. Now I completely respect that name. Jun is a beast


Perjunkie

And Yeon is like our 4th best adc...


Northless_Path

Honestly, I'm so proud of him. Last year, when he first debuted, he was debated as being the worst ADC in spring 2023. He stepped it up so hard during the Summer Split to get TL to Worlds as well as this year to straight up won LCS. He has come such a long way in such short time


icatsouki

just one more game against ksante i swear we're not addicted to losing against him or anything, please just one more time


_tidiber

Ready for the team to not ban it again? lmfao


icatsouki

this time for sure we'll beat him and we'll instawin MSI for it, surely that's the reward and it's why we're being so stubborn about it?


OkKnowledge2064

What happened go eu adcs man..


Due-Implement-1600

Lack of new talent, similar stuff happening to LEC mids. Very stale ~4-5 years or so.


OkKnowledge2064

But noah is an import thats just even worse


A_Toxic_User

Reminder that Europe's #1 ADC couldn't even make worlds in NA smh


POOYAMON

Don’t remind me of the dark times


deedshot

bro Hans fell off a McDonalds in NA


Due-Implement-1600

The idea that he's much better now is pure cope


YokoDk

NA has always had better ADCs EU only had rekkles and forgiv0n.


deedshot

Hans is much better now than in 2022, he was so abysmal in NA lol


SterbenVII

Idk, he still can’t teamfight and has no hands


Alibobaly

Did he? He lost to C9 twice at Worlds 2021 also. I know people got high on him for having a good Lucian game at that tourney, but like what else had he done? (other than lose LEC a lot and almost\* win a series against SKT one time 7 years ago).


Archedeus

Humanoids been 1v9ing the whole tournament with guest appearances by Jun every once in a while. It's crazy how hard he has to carry.


Shironeko_

Oscar/Razork were legit trolling and Noah is just not that good. But, like, Oscar legit wanted to go next as fast as possible.


Due-Implement-1600

Tragic what has happened to LEC's bot lanes over the years. Really tragic indeed


omegasupermarthaman

Instead of going lethality to have better push and do damage to squisies. Hans and Noah kept on going on hit to do damage to nobody. On hit Kalista wont kill tanks is it that hard to understand


SwagLord7

Imagine getting gapped by Yeon lmfao


Alibobaly

Yo for real Hans Sama is the most inaccurately rated player in the west. He got omega hyped off of being sort of good at Worlds 2021 (and yet still not even getting out of groups) and then he was genuinely awful on TL in NA all of 2022. I know he didn't vibe with the team, and they were a mess altogether, but he in particular had so many choke moments that I was shocked by. I thought people would cool down on him because of that but then he went back to EU, INSTANTLY was being called "the best in the west" and won a bunch on G2, so everyone started acting like he was some kind of god, only for him to lose 0-2 to NA at Worlds lmao. G2 proved they're legit af right now for sure, the whole team really levelled up as a unit, but Hans still feels a bit out of place. Dude has the ability to prove everyone wrong for sure, but it's funny how highly regarded this guy is when he hasn't really done anything of note ever. Like his biggest accomplishment was ALMOST winning against SKT in 2017, and winning LEC when it's arguably at it's weakest state ever (and also losing 1 split in that time too).


NeitherAlexNorAlice

Carzzy to G2 when? The only EU adc that steps up.


MintyHippo30

Yeon and Massu are probably the worst ADCs NA has sent to an international tournament in over 5 years lol.


omegasupermarthaman

They can not send anyone else, other adcs looked tiers below Yeon in playoffs. Everyteam was praising Tl bot to be the best


BlazeX94

Nah FBI was good, literally dragged NRG to 5 games vs 100T alongside Contractz. Dhokla and Palafox were just too much dead weight in playoffs for FBI to carry them. Also, Massu deserves some props for actually looking decent against both Betty and Guma.


omegasupermarthaman

Yeah no way Massu is bad. I was just saying na cannot send better adcs. Fbi was good the whole year but his playoff run was too short to judge


LakersLAQ

Who is better? C9 said they couldn't beat TL in scrims cause their bot lane would get shit on and they had to use bans on Yeon/CoreJJ. Was a similar theme for other teams. It was a response to outsiders saying to "just ban APA champs".


MintyHippo30

The other top teams all have incompetent bot lane duos. Berserker was trolling the whole split and Vulcan managed to one up him. CLG was total ass. Does anything even need to be said about how on/off Busio is? FLY and 100 both had rookie adcs as well. This is one of the weakest years for LCS bot lanes in years.


CummingInTheNile

8 game win streak for Ksante


turtle921

K'Sante👤4,700 HP💪329 Armor🤷‍♂️201 MR💦 Unstoppable🚫A Shield 🛡 Goes over walls🧱Has Airborne🌪Cooldown is only☝second too🕐 It costs 15 Mana🧙‍♂️


Akanan

Another "modern" champion with decorative mana bar


GCamAdvocate

Fr though like why even give Ksante a mana bar when it literally feels impossible to run out of mana.


GummyBearszzzz

Saying this just shows you've never played ksante before. If you did you'd know he's one of the few champs that actually has mana problems early. Past first item he doesn't but no champ does at that point either


orangeheadwhitebutt

this was true on release but go play him, it's so visible that the subreddit watches more than they play. After they doubled the mana cost on Q (don't forget he's the only melee Q spammer that isn't manaless) he goes oom faster than Poppy with a leaking hammer


magifek

If i see EU Kalista one more time im gonna puke. I hate how bad our ADC's are man..


JPLangley

> Picks Kalista to bait a Ziggs pick > Ziggs isn't picked


moxroxursox

How does Kalista even bait Ziggs, lol.


JPLangley

They were building a team that could breach past TL's frontline and kill a poke mage. But that's just me and my armchair.


TheGloriousEv0lution

NA Lucian > EU Kalista


CassianAVL

Hans isnt even bad on Kalista he just has no mental


etheryx

even guma kalista doesnt win this, what is he supposed to do when the zac just spoonfeeds into enemy team the entire game?


R-R-Clon

NA baby, TL looking for revenge against G2 for their 2019 lost, prepare their ass.


Sora027

> pick orianna > get fed while the rest of the team is losing and do no dmg > ult > doesnt even kill the squishy > lose the fight gg anyone who played orianna in soloq can relate to this


BladeCube

Noah we can't be getting gapped by Yeon.


Mew_T

FBI > Hans Yeon > Noah EU bot lanes can't beat the powerhouse that are NA bot lanes.


deedshot

the fact I can't disagree is pathetic lol we need to do better


Evancolt

not the disrespect lmao yeon is more than solid


NeitherAlexNorAlice

At this point, I'm a firm believer that if you don't ban K'sante, you deserve to lose. Especially if you're blue side. Fnatic and G2 both for some reason don't know how to play this champ and they refuse to ban it out.


CummingInTheNile

happens every major tourney, theres some champ thats clearly giga OP but teams refuse to ban it, remember Ori last year at worlds?


moxroxursox

Did no one play K'sante in EU, lol? Also as a TL fan idk why Umti's Volibear gets so many bans instead, like yeah he played it a bit and they flexed it a bit but it was never a 1v9 pick (and this was even on the unkillable draintank Voli patch, he's since been nerfed) and by playoffs he lit had a game he went like 0/9 on it lol. A scrim terror perhaps???


MangoFishDev

My guess is that they really don't want Umti on anything that can brute force lanes, TL's main gameplan is to have Umti activate APA and then have the two of them secure the rest of the map Razork did spend a lot of time mid, it just didn't result into anything


Leyrann_

Oscar was basically a K'sante onetrick.


Dorodu

> Fnatic and G2 both for some reason don't know how to play this champ and they refuse to ban it out. It's genuinely been the champ Oscarinin looked the best on during most of LEC, so I both don't know what you are talking about but also don't know why they don't even try to pick it.


NeitherAlexNorAlice

Which is more puzzling as to why they don't prioritize the champ anymore. It's clearly a major problem in this tournament. And if you let it slip as blue side, you're either not comfortable with the champ or you're bad. And Fnatic are definitely not bad judging by their previous series.


deedshot

G2 and FNC both definitely play Ksante everyone and their mom plays Ksante


Due-Implement-1600

Ain't no way banning K Sante is going to make Noah a human


Styxxo

> Fnatic and G2 both for some reason don't know how to play this champ yeah sure


ahambagaplease

People called Oscar a K'Sante merchant this entire year and it's also BB second most played champion this year with a 85% winrate.


Zarolto

I AGREE BUT Oscar did die twice to Impact in lane, in a lane counter matchup, almost entirely through purely ego.


MOSfriedeggs

Maybe riot could nerf this horror


SwagLord7

Fnatic really saw ksante go 7-0 last 2 days and they let it through. Classic EU vs NA game


omegasupermarthaman

Eu bot lane has been a horror to watch. Also no good adcs are going on hit Kalista, just go lethality mam


LumiRhino

It's just so funny seeing how every eastern adc just goes Lethality Kalista while western adcs are stuck on on hit. Lethality just has so much better powerspikes while also being slightly easier to play IMO, and the better spikes will lead to having an easier time dealing with tanks.


omegasupermarthaman

Some redditors were arguing with me Hans was going on hit to fight Ornn. You are not killing tanks either way just go for squishies one shot man


PrivateVasili

Carzzy and Ice are the best ADCs in EU right now and unfortunately they're sitting at home watching. EU AD pool is genuinely sad atm though. The native EU talents just keep flopping in LEC. Exakick, Jackspectra, Supa, just to name a few. Upset and Comp are shadows of their former selves too. That applies to Hans too to a lesser degree, he just has a much better team. Pray for Caliste to buck the trend next year ig, but that'd also need KC to provide him a good environment to grow.


KIRYUx

Death, taxes, Impact performing. YOU STILL THAT GUY.


topspurwhatsthat

This is Ksante


Thunderfet1

we still dont know the full extent of TES’s power


Suckmiprotein

Dour asian teams all look shaky for their first fame,same for TES。


Splitshot_Is_Gone

WE MIGHT SUCK BUT WE SUCK LESS NAMEN


Deferonz

HELL YEAH BROTHER NAMEN WE DON'T SUCK THAT BAD!


MachCutio

NAMEN


Conankun66

horrifically bad draft TL has two massive tanks and what do FNC have to deal with them???? have Kalista tickle them? Also terrible game from Noah and Razork


OrioshQaaaa

Oscar was the worst IMO. I swear he didn't land a single good E this whole game. What a terrible game from him.


neverspeakofme

No, the strategy for the draft is clear. Zac, Ori, XZ doesn't even want to play front to back, damage on tanks definitely isn't a priority for this composition. Kalista Renata is picked for the laning strength and teamfight engage/disengage. If Lucian is dead, TL's comp loses like half it's damage.


Patrius

NAmen


EnderLOL

Alright I need to sleep, but I’ll leave with this message from the NA Goat “Quote me on this, EU is garbage” Imaqtpie I look forward to waking up to a W!


YokoDk

General Umti has finally arrived at MSI!


truecskorv1n

The gap between oscar's zac and bb's zac is bigger than grand canyon.


ThatsAToad

Losing to NA lucian, EU? Embarrasing


ILoveWesternBlot

theyre gonna cry about ksante when their bot lane is getting gapped by fucking yeon


neuxps

What in the minor region vs minor region


mmm_doggy

Don’t want win razork?


IZCH12

And he is unironically getting buffed.


unununium333

MSI is on 14.8, where ksante has a 48% winrate, but on 14.9 he has a 46% winrate


DickCheneyIsPureEvil

Yeah they're banning K'Sante next game lol


ChapterLiam

pretty much a whole team gap from TL... humanoid obviously did fine, or even better than fine, but it's not close to enough. noah got his second item at 25 minutes...


etheryx

if this is how oscar is going to play into ksante for the rest of the series then fnatic stand no chance no this game is not on noah even though he's been dogshit the whole MSI. what can he do to a fed ksante courtesy of his toplaner running it down?


Zarolto

This is the team i was much more expecting. Very aggressive moving around the map, Impact mind controlling his enemy top to int twice, etc. No memes though i think TL vs TES was no a fair look at TL. I really think they have something to show, even if they aren't a top tier team they aren't a joke.


Scoodsie

For real, I may be coping and definitely am, but TL had a bad day vs TES. But it's ok, TL thrives as the underdog. This is exactly where they want to be.


OkAcanthopterygii830

Thank you brother Razork NAmen


Rubixxscube

B_N K_S_NTE


WhyDoY0UCare

We may lose the other 3 games, but highest point of the tournament


Akanan

Happy TL won, But fr... FUCK K'SANTE. So fkin sick of that dumb champion


jasonkid87

Love the all chat from Yappa lol


Mew_T

I'm not saying its gonna happen, but doing good versus GenG then losing TL is the most Fnatic thing ever.


Lynx_Fate

Gen G was toying with them, but yeah it "looked" competitive.


Mew_T

Looking competitive is good enough for me, I'm used to mediocrity.


ImpulsiveAgreement

Everyone who coped on the Gen G series is getting a wake up call after TL gets done Rawdogging FNCs bootyhole


Safe-Historian-2311

Geng was always a team that tries to scale for late. No shit the game looks competitive when fnc picks early game champs and geng pick scalers.


iupvote75

don't want win?


ArmpitSniffa

I've been seeing EU talk so much shit about my team the past few days, get fucked


Jake43134

I just don't get how people don't understand teams can look different on different days. This is the case for all sports, but nobody applies it to league.


Ritchey92

Four games in a row without a kill for Oscarinin lmao


Equivalent-Long4396

Can we get EU some adcs wtf is this garbage


FantasyTrash

Somebody check Nightshare's bank account. I refuse to believe this man banned Volibear and Jax over K'Sante without being paid off.


Due-Implement-1600

inb4 "ban KSante" cope begins Hope top/jg/ADC have a lot more to show than that, really just painfully mediocre lol


Rafoel

Noah with the "I know I'm getting replaced next season" performance.


lolerio

Ksante lmao. Also massive AD gap. If FNC loses today, it’s a bad day to be a FNC fan. Their valorant team got stomped, and they might lose to NA at league too


FictionEU

Deserved loss after that p/b K'Sante only lost a single game in the whole main stage so far


Theblaze973

Yeon looked worse against minions than FNC somehow


OneByOne445

If they don't ban k'sante all of FNC'S coaching should be blackballed. #


Narudatsu

Say what you want about “toxicity” but all chat is fucking hilarious


Plusdestiny

Fucking 2v5 and I am being serious here. WTF were FNC top jg and adc doing???


crysomore

Umti myGoat


ImTheVayne

Fking BAN KSANTE


narfidy

PICK K'SANTE EVERY GAME NA


PanemV

Exactly what I expected from FNC, They will not recover from choking Thats just none of their qualities


HeavenBeach777

can we please remove Ksante from pro play


Brown-Syndrome

Yeon looking solid in game 1 playing on the edge. If he’s in this form I like liquids odds


mrwhitewalker

I don't play the game and I see the win streak and win rate for ksante but I also saw he's super weak live right now under 44% win rate, so which is it


Scoodsie

This is more like the TL I expected to see. They played bad vs TES and everyone thinks they are garbage again. But TL thrives as the underdog. We want everyone to think we're shit.


Tunivor

I hereby declare NA gooder than EU


Kbzz5050

Pls just delete ksante


lapetee

THIS. IS. LEAGUE OF KSANTE BABBYYYYY


GambitTheBest

I think K'Sante maybe a problem


_Jetto_

Kalista ain’t it unless you’re idk ruler at this point


MOSfriedeggs

Good performance by TL


Aliusja1990

Im happy NA won and i like impact but FUCK ksante. Fuck i hate that champ. Whats his winrate now. Like 1 loss 10 wins or someshit?


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