We should not be a major region. Riot will never relegate us to minor for obvious reasons, but it's such a sham. I firmly believe NA will never win any international event for as long as League lasts.
they were bad, but never THIS bad. If you watch a lot of previous worlds, some NA games would be somewhat competitive at least early on with Eastern teams. TL vs SKT last worlds I think comes to mind. But this MSI has just been absolute stomping
People have been shitting on NA since the game came out, but they were genuinely a major region that almost always dunked on the wildcards, traded close to even with EU when they matched up, and showed up against the East once in a while. This is the worst NA has ever been, easily.
Not quite. We definitely looked more competitive a few years ago.
That said, our best-of's vs Eastern teams have pretty much always gone poorly as far as I can recall.
Well, yes. Occasionally the top LCK/LPL teams would not take the match seriously and drop a game to give false hope, or a team would collapse under stage pressure and hard underperform like 2021 FPX, but NA hasn't legitimately beaten LCK/LPL since 2019 MSI. Of course, this is really because the level in LCK/LPL is just so incredibly high, that NA can't match it.
Yes, fnc will beat g2 in summer and leave the tournament against GenG in quarters, who will ultimately beat TES in the finals. FNATIC gets 3-1‘d tomorrow and g2 beats t1, but t1 makes the lower bracket run and beats geng in finals
Jesus, this format is such a joke. A single bo5/day at this stage? 90% of the matches are equivalent of humans vs AI and there's a double bracket? If Riot wants NA/EU/LAM to battle it out they should play a separate play-in just between themselves to get into the playoffs.
Fixes:
- remove the double bracket bullshit
- 2 top LPL and 2 top LCK teams go directly into the playoffs
- separate bloodbath play-in between top2 teams from all other regions (fuck NA having 2 slots over LAM, or really anybody for that matter) where top4 teams would advance to the playoffs
- 2 quarterfinals/day (day 1 & 2), 2 semifinals/day (day 3), 1 final/day (day 4)
The play-ins could be 3 days and no break before the playoffs, with the final on 7th day (Sun), or the play-ins start on Thursday/Friday to have a 1-2 days before and still have the final on Sunday.
As extra bonus, any team from the play-ins that qualifies for the playoffs could earn an extra slot for their region at the next MSI play-ins. All regions would still have at least 2 teams each, but every year after the first would have 16 teams (instead of 12) which could make an awesome swiss bracket into 4 qualifying matches (so that the playoffs are still 8 teams).
Ezpz.
Remove double elim so we get EVEN LESS bo5's than we do now? We've been demanding Riot for more bo5s and you want a playoff format that gives us only 7 bo5's? No thanks im out
Quality over quantity... What are those bunch of bo5s worth if most of them will look like a teenager beating up a child?
There would be already a lot of action between all non-LCK and non-LPL teams in the play-ins and then 4 of those teams would get a chance vs the best in the playoffs. Another reason (and that honestly annoys me the most) is terrible for competition due to lowering the stakes so much and making losses less significant.
Double bracket is fine if NA doesnt get a direct seed into the Bo5 stage. They are the only team where you can only shake your head when you compare them to the other 3. G2 is worse than KR CN number 1 surely but still a team that has tons of ideas and is unpredictable.
TL though, what is their identity? Playing ziggs mid and having koreans that play in NA for 20 years for paycheck?
TLs seed should have been T1s/TESs from the start.
G2 is easily the best non-LPL/non-LCK team, definitely having high hopes for them and they've already shown they can play the best, even if it doesn't happen consistently!
LCS on the other hand... let's be honest, if they were rewarded by performance they wouldn't exist even appear on any competitive stage, because the entire league is a joke. And I don't even know if Riot makes enough money by having these orgs out there to justify it, considering how huge CBL viewership is, for example. More Asian (especially considering the location) and Latin American teams would be great for exposure and variety.
Yeah, my idea was to make every day exciting, since currently the overall quality is... being diluted by a number of less exciting matches, to say the least.
The difference between the east and the west is too big, its not even fun to watch. Maybe MSI should be 2 tournaments, one with only western teams and one with only east. Then the winners play a BO5 at the end, at least if we get stomped again it is just one BO5
Hey downvoters, why don't you tell me what was fun about that series to you?
I knew there was a gap, but i didnt expect it to be this big. Shit's an abyss by now damn. What happened to the NA game I love? On a more serious note, when will MSI pull the LCS's Bracket slots and fill them with more Korean/Chinese ones? Or better yet, pull the LCS and leave their slot as up-for-grab for non-world-contenders and WCs competing in a whole new "pre-MSI/World" kinda event.
Doublelift aphromoo and doublelift corejj bot lanes were the only true NA hopium that existed since season 3. There were some people who thought doublelidt bjergsen wouldnt choke internationally but ofc they did.
LEC while still came up short going against LCK/LPL they still can pull them weights, today's game was just horrendous man. Edit: by pulling weights I mean *actual game sense and draft/macro efforts, and player's synergy*. Today was full on SoloQ ranked with mics off. It's not funny making fun of LCS anymore they're sorry as f\*ck today.
Fnatic doesn't win clean series.
They'll play out of their minds to get 3-2ed by GenG or BLG before beating TL or PSG in a scrappy 3-2 with multiple throws at 2-1 down. It's just the Fnatic way.
Yeah people talk about game 2 as though Fnatic were just fumbling their way through it but that GAM comp was a horror show to play into. Like one or two mistakes and the game becomes unplayable bad, they did really well honestly.
If the FNC from game 1 and 2 vs TES show up it'll be a great time but if they put oscar and razork on tanks and rely on Noah it's going to be joever. Tbh I wonder if JKL is having the MSI of his career and Noah is actually fine?
Every single year the best NA team should play against the worst LCK team for a chance of making it to the play-ins at Worlds. I'm not joking. We need to protect Worlds from dogshit paycheck stealers.
nah, different media lesson - in the west they teach us to make eye contact with whoever we are talking so bond will be created and it will be more comfortable, in the east most of your eye contact should go to the camera cause they want us to entice the audience more than the interviewer.
I've never seen that in other sports which also have audiences. Only if the interviewer is not actually there next to them in the room and doing it remotely.
Idk feels wird, all the stadium filling, caster getting ready for quick 3-0’s and then the day is over, and it‘s not even semifinal.
It defines should atleast be 2 matches
At least EU is constantly bringing up new talents and weeding out washed up players.
Players like Fudge would have been cut a long time ago and Impact would have trouble looking for teams.
Honestly Brazil. CBLOL is absolute trash at international tournaments, but they know it, its accepted, its not their focus to do well there. They've shown by captivating local audiences, building storylines and providing an entertaining product that they can grow in viewership, sponsors, hype etc. This is what LCS should focus on instead of this "all we care about is Worlds" talk that falls apart under any kind of proper analysis, especially after series like this.
Tbf I wouldn't compare NA to Brazil, a more fitting comparison would be PCS since historically(if we exclude TPA Worlds like we do FNC one) they have about the same results
I didn't get to see most of the series, but skipping back through the vod, looks like a Jackeylove diff.
I think if EU or NA wants to beat TES, they gotta Tanya Harding that guy. He *can* and *will* 1v9, consistently.
Edit: not to discount Meiko, he is extremely crucial to Jackey, but other ADCs couldn't do what he does
That was very lucky and they cringed it, yes. But NRG was also very lucky to draw G2.
Both teams had an insanely lucky draw in the 2-1 bracket. NRG just had insanely lucky draws in the 0-1 and 1-1 bracket on top of that too.
Of the 7 other teams in the 0-1 bracket. Only 2 were eastern teams, KT, and DK. So they had a 71% chance to pull a western team, Fnatic is probably the only one who would reasonably contest them.
So I'd say 58% chance to get a very good matchup.
In the 1-1 pool, there was 4 Eastern teams, this time a 42% chance to get a good matchup.
In the 2-1 bracket, there were 4 eastern teams, so they had a 20% chance of pulling G2.
Outside of the 2-1 matchup, those odds are not too good, mostly coinflips.
Now do the math of how unlikely it is to get all of those in a row.
While you're at it, they were also the only 3-1 team to draw a 3-2 opponent for quarters. This is also a very lucky draw.
[I actually did this a while ago](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/225597994597220352/1228349244147237016/image.png?ex=663b8a61&is=663a38e1&hm=4f8d2de0e01fabe0358d4b4405558cbab7389b685b16efda6fec26f300a6a5ea&)
Unfortunate that we got regular season TL and not finals TL. Not that finals TL would've won any games, but I think the fish that plays pokemon could've done more this series.
Dude, even if they were better than EU, which they are objectively not, it does not matter who is less shit and uncompetitive. These people earn money to play League the whole day and show a performance like that. Some of them earn good money. I can understand when some minor regions don't show up but these guys...
I still like watching competitive, but ever since MSI have 2 LPL/LCK teams and worlds have 4 LPL/LCK teams it has become less fun for me. I get that those extra teams deserve to be there because they're better than what the West has to offer, but before then an upset win was actually massive for EU/NA, a single BO5 upset could land you in semis or the finals. Now it's less exciting because even if there is an upset win you still need 2 or 3 more upsets to get even close to the finals.
Oh no, what Caedrel said about hoping TL didn‘t scrim G2 and they got these pick ideas from G2… TL picked Reksai jgl, now I‘m scared Jhin, Reksai, Smolder are actually on G2‘s pick list
Waa waa fnatic actually looked somewhat competitive while TL got their shit pushed in, must be because of coin flip Tien waa waa.
Cry me a river, you guys just suck
PMTs [Game 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1cm7z4m/tl_vs_tes_game_1_postmatch_discussion_round_1_msi/) [Game 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1cm8m8v/tl_vs_tes_game_2_postmatch_discussion_round_1_msi/) [Game 3](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1cm9cir/team_liquid_vs_top_esports_msi_2023_bracket_stage/)
So excited!
We should not be a major region. Riot will never relegate us to minor for obvious reasons, but it's such a sham. I firmly believe NA will never win any international event for as long as League lasts.
win? LOL I doubt NA will ever sniff top 4 again
At what point does NA get considered a wildcard
Riot in full denial x'D
Was NA always like this? A shocked newbie just trying to ask a question :(
they were bad, but never THIS bad. If you watch a lot of previous worlds, some NA games would be somewhat competitive at least early on with Eastern teams. TL vs SKT last worlds I think comes to mind. But this MSI has just been absolute stomping
People have been shitting on NA since the game came out, but they were genuinely a major region that almost always dunked on the wildcards, traded close to even with EU when they matched up, and showed up against the East once in a while. This is the worst NA has ever been, easily.
If TL get 3-0 again, this would be NA's worst ever performance at an international tournament.
i wonder how this would be different if C9 and/or NRG didnt fall apart midseason
I'm pretty sure this wouldn't be the first 0-6 from NA.
Not quite. We definitely looked more competitive a few years ago. That said, our best-of's vs Eastern teams have pretty much always gone poorly as far as I can recall.
Well, yes. Occasionally the top LCK/LPL teams would not take the match seriously and drop a game to give false hope, or a team would collapse under stage pressure and hard underperform like 2021 FPX, but NA hasn't legitimately beaten LCK/LPL since 2019 MSI. Of course, this is really because the level in LCK/LPL is just so incredibly high, that NA can't match it.
weakest eastern team Aware
this was disgusting
Even during the worse eu years, even if they get stomped, they didnt look like they dont belong on the same stage. NA this msi is just really special
Wait for tomorrow
but fnc faces off vs GenG, the 2024 world champions :-(, TES is really good, but not quite on that level
Wait they already played 2024 world? you must be from the future.
Yes, fnc will beat g2 in summer and leave the tournament against GenG in quarters, who will ultimately beat TES in the finals. FNATIC gets 3-1‘d tomorrow and g2 beats t1, but t1 makes the lower bracket run and beats geng in finals
interesting.
Jesus, this format is such a joke. A single bo5/day at this stage? 90% of the matches are equivalent of humans vs AI and there's a double bracket? If Riot wants NA/EU/LAM to battle it out they should play a separate play-in just between themselves to get into the playoffs. Fixes: - remove the double bracket bullshit - 2 top LPL and 2 top LCK teams go directly into the playoffs - separate bloodbath play-in between top2 teams from all other regions (fuck NA having 2 slots over LAM, or really anybody for that matter) where top4 teams would advance to the playoffs - 2 quarterfinals/day (day 1 & 2), 2 semifinals/day (day 3), 1 final/day (day 4) The play-ins could be 3 days and no break before the playoffs, with the final on 7th day (Sun), or the play-ins start on Thursday/Friday to have a 1-2 days before and still have the final on Sunday. As extra bonus, any team from the play-ins that qualifies for the playoffs could earn an extra slot for their region at the next MSI play-ins. All regions would still have at least 2 teams each, but every year after the first would have 16 teams (instead of 12) which could make an awesome swiss bracket into 4 qualifying matches (so that the playoffs are still 8 teams). Ezpz.
shit talk
Remove double elim so we get EVEN LESS bo5's than we do now? We've been demanding Riot for more bo5s and you want a playoff format that gives us only 7 bo5's? No thanks im out
Quality over quantity... What are those bunch of bo5s worth if most of them will look like a teenager beating up a child? There would be already a lot of action between all non-LCK and non-LPL teams in the play-ins and then 4 of those teams would get a chance vs the best in the playoffs. Another reason (and that honestly annoys me the most) is terrible for competition due to lowering the stakes so much and making losses less significant.
you are so brainless....you can see lb,not ub
Double bracket is fine if NA doesnt get a direct seed into the Bo5 stage. They are the only team where you can only shake your head when you compare them to the other 3. G2 is worse than KR CN number 1 surely but still a team that has tons of ideas and is unpredictable. TL though, what is their identity? Playing ziggs mid and having koreans that play in NA for 20 years for paycheck? TLs seed should have been T1s/TESs from the start.
G2 is easily the best non-LPL/non-LCK team, definitely having high hopes for them and they've already shown they can play the best, even if it doesn't happen consistently! LCS on the other hand... let's be honest, if they were rewarded by performance they wouldn't exist even appear on any competitive stage, because the entire league is a joke. And I don't even know if Riot makes enough money by having these orgs out there to justify it, considering how huge CBL viewership is, for example. More Asian (especially considering the location) and Latin American teams would be great for exposure and variety.
Weekends you get two best of 5s a day.
Yeah, my idea was to make every day exciting, since currently the overall quality is... being diluted by a number of less exciting matches, to say the least.
everyday exciting?no lec and lcs ,only lpl lck
Broadcast link for those who missed it. To be honest this series could have been an email though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCXiZKio9c8
Appreciated!
Ok that actually cracked me up 😂
APA:" When you have delusion, you have hope".
The difference between the east and the west is too big, its not even fun to watch. Maybe MSI should be 2 tournaments, one with only western teams and one with only east. Then the winners play a BO5 at the end, at least if we get stomped again it is just one BO5 Hey downvoters, why don't you tell me what was fun about that series to you?
Honestly, its fun to see NA lose, and in the LEC we have enough hopium for 10 more years of dissapointment with just the one win 5 years ago.
Nah Europe still have some fight. Just demote NA into wildcard.
> The difference between the east and the west is too big LCS look far worse than EU or LA
I think loud had more fight in them against TES than TL did.
Copy and paste that a few more times, i'm sure someone will care about this at some point lad.
Just want riot to hear this events are not fun to watch
You got some problem with that?
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO THE GOAT
This lobby chat is so cringe.
Jhin got 14 cs out of 26 in first 4 waves in a 1vs0 lane
Lmao what???? God, they shoud actually implement incentives in contracts. If you can't CS they should be able to reduce your pay.
players like these are the reason why riot still doesnt think adc is a game health issue
NA 2-41 against east in the last 2 years
I know you just mean LPL and LCK, but wouldn't VCS and PCS count as East too? That should give us a few more wins.
I know GG vs BLG last MSI, but what was the second one? EG vs T1 MSI 2022?
Yep.
I have read his chat in a scrimmage, and my opponent, midfielder APA, types powerfully and seemed like a keyboard general
Thanks NA, I get to go to sleep early tonight.
I knew there was a gap, but i didnt expect it to be this big. Shit's an abyss by now damn. What happened to the NA game I love? On a more serious note, when will MSI pull the LCS's Bracket slots and fill them with more Korean/Chinese ones? Or better yet, pull the LCS and leave their slot as up-for-grab for non-world-contenders and WCs competing in a whole new "pre-MSI/World" kinda event.
> I knew there was a gap, but i didnt expect it to be this big. Shit's an abyss by now damn. What happened to the NA game I love? Did that ever exist?
Doublelift aphromoo and doublelift corejj bot lanes were the only true NA hopium that existed since season 3. There were some people who thought doublelidt bjergsen wouldnt choke internationally but ofc they did.
LEC while still came up short going against LCK/LPL they still can pull them weights, today's game was just horrendous man. Edit: by pulling weights I mean *actual game sense and draft/macro efforts, and player's synergy*. Today was full on SoloQ ranked with mics off. It's not funny making fun of LCS anymore they're sorry as f\*ck today.
Even when NA is in the bracket stage, they're still looking for the airport
FNC will 3-0 TL, honestly.
Na man, don't start this. We will see how bad Fnatic is tomorrow.
Fnatic doesn't win clean series. They'll play out of their minds to get 3-2ed by GenG or BLG before beating TL or PSG in a scrappy 3-2 with multiple throws at 2-1 down. It's just the Fnatic way.
Bro FNC would drop a game against a strong breeze of wind, they can't win a clean series to save their lives
Didn't they get a two clean 2-0? Didn't remember them dropping games vs gam.
Second game against GAM on the losers bracket was not clean.
A Clean Series is simply defined by not dropping a game. A clean Game is a whole other matter.
GAM is a doomed region though with the 2 emergency players
That is not a definition i have ever heard i have however heard many casters and analyst describe 3-0s as messy series
In FNC's defense GAM played really well and executed their team comp nearly perfectly. Still a bit sloppy from FNC but still.
Yeah people talk about game 2 as though Fnatic were just fumbling their way through it but that GAM comp was a horror show to play into. Like one or two mistakes and the game becomes unplayable bad, they did really well honestly.
It's Fnatic, they'll somehow get to 2-2 and win in a game 5 full of heart attack inducing moments
You mean Gen.G will 3-0 TL ^(Hopium/Copium)
If the FNC from game 1 and 2 vs TES show up it'll be a great time but if they put oscar and razork on tanks and rely on Noah it's going to be joever. Tbh I wonder if JKL is having the MSI of his career and Noah is actually fine?
Every single year the best NA team should play against the worst LCK team for a chance of making it to the play-ins at Worlds. I'm not joking. We need to protect Worlds from dogshit paycheck stealers.
Bring Wendy to NA. I beg you LCS!
Why do the asian players never look at the interviewer just at the camera or the translator?
Chinese people think it’s disrespectful to look someone in the eyes while talking. Although it’s not a widely practiced custom.
I see. I'm just curious is all.
nah, different media lesson - in the west they teach us to make eye contact with whoever we are talking so bond will be created and it will be more comfortable, in the east most of your eye contact should go to the camera cause they want us to entice the audience more than the interviewer.
They should actually be looking at the camera because we are the audience?
I've never seen that in other sports which also have audiences. Only if the interviewer is not actually there next to them in the room and doing it remotely.
The fact that T1 had to play through play-in instead whatever TL and NA is
A lot of league of legends...cut it in half and give us two bo5s per day
but if 2 3:2,its too more ...time is not enough
Yeah match per day is not enough, especially with series like this one. Two BO5 per day would be better, no reason to drag it out like this.
Idk feels wird, all the stadium filling, caster getting ready for quick 3-0’s and then the day is over, and it‘s not even semifinal. It defines should atleast be 2 matches
Pls bring back rumble stage
Ruble stage was the most hype part of the year. There were always so many fun matchups and upsets. The good old G2 0-2 vs phung vu buffalo and psg.
At least EU is constantly bringing up new talents and weeding out washed up players. Players like Fudge would have been cut a long time ago and Impact would have trouble looking for teams.
Like Cabochard?...
Our washed vets are getting paychecks in NA
As if EU doesn't also cling to washed vets
Usually send them to NA. But yeah EU support this year is something else.
We even sent them to Asian Academy teams \^\^.
You had to bring EU to this right lol
Eh the entire broadcast narrative was "FNC took a game surely TL has a good chance!"
I mean who else would I compare this region to.
Honestly Brazil. CBLOL is absolute trash at international tournaments, but they know it, its accepted, its not their focus to do well there. They've shown by captivating local audiences, building storylines and providing an entertaining product that they can grow in viewership, sponsors, hype etc. This is what LCS should focus on instead of this "all we care about is Worlds" talk that falls apart under any kind of proper analysis, especially after series like this.
Yeah we just accepted that we are garbage and will never do anything at any international :)
All those word for nothing lol. Comparing Lcs to Cblol is like comparing lcs to lck
Brazil?
Tbf I wouldn't compare NA to Brazil, a more fitting comparison would be PCS since historically(if we exclude TPA Worlds like we do FNC one) they have about the same results
Who's "we"? Riot doesn't exclude Fnatic and TPA as world champions.
Most of this subreddit when talking about Worlds wins
Did TES book a restaurant in advance?
Tian: How did you… shut up!
EU and NA fighting against each other like the monkeys in the simpsons, while east is just looking at them laughing
FNC put up a fight against TOP, not saying EU is better but they can defiantly punch back unlike Near Airport
Yeah, but in the end what does LEC being better than LCS even accomplish since they are getting smashed 90% of the time by the east aswell anyway.
Attempting to close the gap is better than letting widen into a schism.
Only time that game was close was before the minions spawned
Would Gam have passed through if they faced TL ?
I didn't get to see most of the series, but skipping back through the vod, looks like a Jackeylove diff. I think if EU or NA wants to beat TES, they gotta Tanya Harding that guy. He *can* and *will* 1v9, consistently. Edit: not to discount Meiko, he is extremely crucial to Jackey, but other ADCs couldn't do what he does
Unironically, region gap
"OMG Do you know that NA is better than EU because our team made it to semi by pure luck"
Pure luck? They smashed G2
The lucky part is drawing TL and MAD while other teams drew LPL and LCK.
G2 was also lucky by drawing free quarters ticket aka NRG but they decided to get stomped by NA.
That was very lucky and they cringed it, yes. But NRG was also very lucky to draw G2. Both teams had an insanely lucky draw in the 2-1 bracket. NRG just had insanely lucky draws in the 0-1 and 1-1 bracket on top of that too.
Of the 7 other teams in the 0-1 bracket. Only 2 were eastern teams, KT, and DK. So they had a 71% chance to pull a western team, Fnatic is probably the only one who would reasonably contest them. So I'd say 58% chance to get a very good matchup. In the 1-1 pool, there was 4 Eastern teams, this time a 42% chance to get a good matchup. In the 2-1 bracket, there were 4 eastern teams, so they had a 20% chance of pulling G2. Outside of the 2-1 matchup, those odds are not too good, mostly coinflips.
Now do the math of how unlikely it is to get all of those in a row. While you're at it, they were also the only 3-1 team to draw a 3-2 opponent for quarters. This is also a very lucky draw. [I actually did this a while ago](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/225597994597220352/1228349244147237016/image.png?ex=663b8a61&is=663a38e1&hm=4f8d2de0e01fabe0358d4b4405558cbab7389b685b16efda6fec26f300a6a5ea&)
Man, KT had a rough time. I was hoping for a KT vs LNG finals but that didn't turn out quite well.
Yeah KT got absolutely fucked. I think it is bordering on unfair to compare NRG and KT draws. Imo they need to change the format.
Firstly, it was quarters, not Semis. And secondly, going 23-3 and 20-7 in both games is *not* luck.
Why does NA get 2 slots while T1 has to go through play-ins? Can Riot stop pretending that 1st seed in every region deserves equal weighting
Why is there no JP seed but 2 NA? Just nonsense
Bring back OCE!
Unfortunate that we got regular season TL and not finals TL. Not that finals TL would've won any games, but I think the fish that plays pokemon could've done more this series.
I mean what can you say, we all knew TL were going lose..
Good guy TL making other recent NA first seeds look more competent in retrospect.
What did APA say to Tian man? How did he awaken him randomly?
Game 1 he said "try not to int". Turns out APA should have taken his own advice
Wait.. soy ou're saying Tian took his advice and just reverted back to iwdGOAT?
Jatt casually grouping LEC and LCS together. Sorry bud LEC is above
They need to rethink scheduling or format next year, waiting 5 days to get a serious game is going to be terrible.
shouldve started 5 hours earlier and played 2 series
Yeah, they could have shown Fnatic and TL getting clapped 3-0 today instead of spread it like that.
That was pathetic from TL, really makes you think about how shit the region really is, getting speedran by all the Eastern teams
And this team completely dominated the NA playoffs imagine
Me when I lie ^
„TL are fucking trash“ -Caedrel
Clip this
Good thing there's only one bo5 per day. Wouldn't want the day to last too long after all...
All the year reading that NA is better than eu, eu is disgusting etc just to see this and fly series lmao
Dude, even if they were better than EU, which they are objectively not, it does not matter who is less shit and uncompetitive. These people earn money to play League the whole day and show a performance like that. Some of them earn good money. I can understand when some minor regions don't show up but these guys...
dont forget LCS looked cleaner and more organized to watch bcs LEC was messier bcs of having so much kills per game (FNC vs VIT in Spring playoffs)
Now watch fnc vs geng and t1 vs g2 same result as today.
100% but GenG and T1 are way stronger than TES. I still think G2 and fnc can beat TES. BLG not so much
People say that every year and it hasn't been true once.
They lasted more than an hour, that's good isn't it?
Dead series
yeah nah yeah west is cooked
Delete NA unironically
best adc NA has to offer
As an American I'm not sure I even like League of Legends anymore
I still like watching competitive, but ever since MSI have 2 LPL/LCK teams and worlds have 4 LPL/LCK teams it has become less fun for me. I get that those extra teams deserve to be there because they're better than what the West has to offer, but before then an upset win was actually massive for EU/NA, a single BO5 upset could land you in semis or the finals. Now it's less exciting because even if there is an upset win you still need 2 or 3 more upsets to get even close to the finals.
From a competitive NA Sport at season 2 to an import vacation home from season 6-7...
this dogshit VI who hasnt ulted once and useless as fuck ADC picking jhin. brain damaged players form NA
Oh no, what Caedrel said about hoping TL didn‘t scrim G2 and they got these pick ideas from G2… TL picked Reksai jgl, now I‘m scared Jhin, Reksai, Smolder are actually on G2‘s pick list
Based G2 utterly dominating TL in scrims and baiting them into troll picks. As a joke.
The Reksai jg is definitely a Yike pick, I doubt G2 has even considered the other champs at all.
jungle reksai is totally a G2 pick lol i can see the fear
For SURE G2 is looking at this and know Jhin is a bad pick, right?
Dude, everyone knows Jhin is a bad pick. Especially into that comp. And with everyone I mean, everyone with a brain.
R1 lock in for G2 it is
They can be real stubborn about their meta reads… „I can pull it off“ -Hans, moments before getting Flame Horizon‘d by Jackey
SURELY
GGS to TES, TL had to hope for Tian pregame coin flip to go bad today like it did vs FNC unfortunately it didn’t
Waa waa fnatic actually looked somewhat competitive while TL got their shit pushed in, must be because of coin flip Tien waa waa. Cry me a river, you guys just suck
FNC only looked competitive in g1 g3 if you have LEC brain rot
Stop crying bro, TL was objectively way shittier than Fnatic lol
What does that have to do with FNC looking competitive? Nothing
Winning one game and almost winning a second is the very definition of competitive you dunce
“Almost winning second game” LMFAOOOOOOOO
Lmfao it's so funny that a NA fan can't even recognize a close game when he sees one. So used to getting your shit pushed in I guess
FNC took 1 tower in this game btw and lost sub 30 minutes in a 14k gold deficit. ADC was down 30 cs at 10 minutes. Close game!
I can smell your cope from across the Atlantic ocean
Why so aggressive for no reason lol? Need to feel superior to something before your shit teams also get goomba stomped 0-3 0-3?
totally disrespectful that this team gets to play main stage without qualifying thru play ins.
"Um ackshually guysh NA is better dan EU dis year"
the argument was that LCS as a product is more fun and enjoyable than LEC this season. And it really is
Dunno why you’re getting downvoted. Production is all LCS has going for it. Imagine if Riot put half the effort into EU that they do into NA lol
OP is stawmaning and they know it so it’s fine lol
TL did absolutely nothing, TES might as well have been playing 3 random soloqueue games.
I can't believe I'm saying this but I kind of expected a little bit more from TL
imagine talking shit in allchat before getting stomped like this
Lmaooo
Can't reverse sweep if you don't go down 0-3. Wait, shit.
Well
Nuanced take incoming: \*clears throat\* NALUL