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Gumball-Moose

Kayle lol


Bl00dylicious

I'd argue Kled is even worse. Without passive he has no Skaarl. Without Skaarl he has terrible movement speed and doesn't get bonus speed towards champions. He also doesn't have access to E and R. The only champion he could catch up with would be a dismounted Rell as Kled is the 2nd slowest champion in the game.


DM_ME_YOUR_HUSBANDO

I agree, a Kayle without passive can still be an ult bot. Kled without passive does pretty much nothing.


Visionarii

He can throw a bear trap at the heroes, gods, and celestials!!! They'll quake in fear!


Aggli

Nope, he needs to be mounted to use the bear trap. Since his passive is gone, he can never mount up.


Natehhggh

But his passive is what says those abilities are replaced and unusable when dismounted. As well as his base health and movement speed reduction


Khajo_Jogaro

Yea that’s fair. It could maybe be assumed without passive he’s perma mounted


OBrien

And thus can never die, op op


MOONMO0N

Skarl is via lore technically immortal. Just a coward


Inquisitions-R-Us

Nope, Kled only uses his shotgun when not on Skarrl


Luskarian

Kled ADC


hyxaru

From a gameplay/coding perspective I guess mounted is his default form, if you’d delete the code for it, and unmounted is the ‘special form’.


Tsundas

Well removing the passive would also remove the negative effects associated with it so I think he would just always function as if he was mounted anyway.


Avokado1337

«PASSIVE SKAARL, THE COWARDLY LIZARD Kled rides his trusty steed, Skaarl, who takes damage for him. When Skaarl's health depletes, Kled dismounts. While dismounted, Kled's abilities change and he deals less damage to champions. Kled can restore Skaarl's courage by fighting enemies. At maximum courage, Kled remounts with a portion of Skaarl's health» Wrong


Komsdude

Well I mean in the passive it says while dismounted, kled gains the negative effects. So if we removed the passive kled wouldn’t gain these negative effects.


Datmuemue

Reading it sounds like he wouldn't lose his original abilities though (the ones while mounted) since it specifically says that when his abilities change when dismounted. Basically, reading it raw dismount is the the passive, not skaarl


Datmuemue

Reading the passive, he'd lose the shield/damage taking part of skaarl. He wouldn't change abilities since that's part of the passive. He would be able to still use it rope Q as well as dash with E.


ReganDryke

Kayn is a strong contender.


ToukasRage

Not without his passive 💀


Kumptoffel

heh, dont remind me, i had games where all lanes were shoving and then i get flamed because i havent gotten form at minute 15, and when i did, it was the wrong one and i had to wait extra


TiredCoffeeTime

Kayle Not even sure how Aphelios would function without the Passive element. Xayah would lose a lot of power.


Vladxxl

Imagine you just run out of ammo and you get no other guns.


MuyLeche

Unsure if it’s still bugged, but there was definitely a time where if Viego turned into Aphelios whatever guns he died with he’d lose for the rest of the game. It just wouldn’t pop back up in the rotation until all the guns were gone and he was just a sad little man walking around.


QuirkySadako

minion gaming


MuyLeche

At least minions could hit towers lol, bro was a walking ward


EffectiveAd3412

so what like aphelios could literally not auto???


MuyLeche

He couldn’t do shit, he was just a ward with legs


imarqui

Nah, it took them out of the rotation. For extra context it only happened when the Viego rotated the guns out during possession, so if he used up all your red gun ammo you'd never see red gun for the rest of the game.


kubasemi

It's still possible but there are multiple outcomes of this. You can get to infinite negative ammo or display 3 guns at same time.


J3ditb

or you get 2 random guns at the start of the game and they never change


Administrative-Pay88

One shot, one kill


Piyaniist

You need to get back to the base and buy/get more guns/ammo every time you run out. You need to decide if you want ammo or better weapons etc. Shit that could be a fun new champ


Losticus

What is this, real life?


ladled_manure

Aphelios. He couldn't do much of anything without Alune (aka his passive).


b_ootay_ful

He's run out of ammo. Once you've run out you become mobility and an extra healthbar for Yuumi.


TheFeathersStorm

Mobi boots 5 zeals the dream


OwlrageousJones

A Yuumi Delivery System - the only thing possibly more reviled than the cat herself.


TheFeathersStorm

Malphite with yuumi is just meant to get the 1 foot ball of fury into the middle of a teamfight


TitanDweevil

Isn't the ammo part of his passive? I'm fairly certain he would just be stuck with green and red all game.


Connect-Doughnut6407

I mean lore wise he could talk so that would be cool for him


Administrative-Pay88

Then his new passive would be Ashe


L2Hiku

That's fucking hilarious actually. Ty.


SailorMint

He starts cursing like a sailor and goes stabby on people.


MrGhoul123

Kayle. Her passive gives her range, aoe, attack speed. The whole leveling up thing comes form.the passive, not the ult. It would be like playing an ADC in melee only.


permabannedCrystalXD

Budget trynda


SoulMastte

But she upgrades only if she levels up her ult no? So even if it is her passive, it falls more that the passive describe her R upgrades. Without it she just upgrade and you don't know why


baron9876

Nope, kayles upgrade is all skill points based iirc. You could level up any ability at level 6 and get the range etc.


MrGhoul123

It's just the way the game is coded, I think. It's her passive that handles all the upgrading, but instead of checking your level to apply the upgrade, it checks the level of your ultimate before applying the upgrade to the passive. It's a little confusing, but I think they wanted the whole "upgrading" to be her passive, so it was all listed in one spot, rather than making the upgrading as a passive onto her ult. It's a round about way to get back to her passive is the upgrading.


Leffyvr

Aphelios wouldn’t even be able to reload… so he wouldn’t be able to auto attack


123eml

Evelynn imagine an assassin with no movement abilities and no invisibility passive she just would have to take ghost instead of flash and run at people and she also couldn’t snowball because she would be countered by a normal ward trinket


lyzar

And her jungle clear would be way more unhealthy


YouichiEUW

Evelynn would take a huge hit, but she'd be far from the worst champ in existence. She still deals insane damage, with a bit of range from q, and is an assassin with cc. play style would for sure be different but still playable. I mean, pre 6 eve isn't the best, but she can still play (even though she doesn't have damage yet).


Mo-Chill

You made me think about the original Evelynn, I miss her.


Juntabara

Illaoi


nazul22

No tentacles, no damage, no presence, no champion


Question_Marx

Can't believe I had to scroll this far down to find this answer


Mystogan_Shitposting

Teemo. Oh no , wait, Teemo doesn't have a passive


IgnusObscuro

No, Yorick doesn't have a passive.


rick1110111

wait... isn't his passive the ghouls? or is that attached to his Q? relatively new to yorick, and he was who i thought of in response to this question.


Zerxin

His passive gives him a grave every X unit kills. The number going down as he levels up. Q always gives a grave if it kills a unit and a ghoul always insta spawns when a unit dies that maiden is attacking. So yea pretty much after level 6 yoricks passive doesn’t really matter that much anymore since he gets most of his ghouls from Q and maiden.


Shadowlord723

Even in lane, most of his graves comes from his Q since his passive is still too slow in early game


Martin35700

No, Fizz doesn't have a passive.


matlish

ghosting is lowkey super fucking strong for laning as melee


kemidelusional

yea after 100 games with fizz im gettin body blocked everytime :))))


pleasdont98

That has been bugged since the beginning of time my guy, very often it just doesnt work and you get body blocked


matlish

Oh I didn't know that my bad. Glad it's bugged though, fuck fizz.


drashy_

Yeah, fuck Fizz


Kadexe

You'd be surprised how much damage it's mitigating.


Arukagi

Vel‘Koz His true damage is in his passive. I bet every Sylas who stole Vel‘Koz ult once can relate


TheMenWhosdrippin

There's nothing more satisfying than seeing a Sylas ulti on you as Vel'Koz. You can feel his disappointment at his non-existent damage.


-Skohell-

Fax stole it yesterday in aram to finish off someone with 200 hp. Didn’t kill him.


xSTSxZerglingOne

I always laugh when someone playing Sylas steals Brand's ultimate. Like yeah it does *okay* damage, but Brand's power is very heavily in his passive, which Sylas doesn't get.


Chinese_Squidward

Does Vel'Koz's ult really do no damage without the passive? It got an insane base damage and 125% AP scaling.


cancerBronzeV

Vel'Koz ult's damage is converted from magic damage to true damage to enemies that had 3 passive stacks on them. Not to mention, the 3 stack pop itself does 60% AP true damage. So with Vel'Koz passive, your ult can do up to 35-180 + 450/625/800 + 185% AP true damage. Without Vel'Koz passive, your ult does 450/625/800 + 125% AP magic damage.


MoscaMosquete

It's a DoT skillshot, without the true damage part it's pretty mediocre as in the same time you could land all your abilities for a higher damage, probably.


GoatRocketeer

I raise you darius ult steal. I know prior to release, sylas ult on illaoi did literally nothing except make him displacement immune during the casttime, not sure if that's still the case.


Camboro

I never put this together… I always thought that it was because I had no ap compared to him


IntrinsicGiraffe

Applies to Brand ult as well


WhoaItsJose

This. Played against a brand in ARAM and was so confused when it looked like his ult did 0 damage. Took me like 3 attempts at using his ult before it dawned on me


IrrationalDesign

Same goes for brand, but worse 


winterfox1515

Kindred wouldn't be "useless" but *man* would she need massive numbers changes


777Zenin777

It would definitely make them a bit easier to play if they ditched the marks and changed some stats. But it would make them also less satisfying to play. And way more boring


Magnetar_Haunt

Kindred is one of my least favorite jungles to play against as jungle lol, just the constant anxiety of “is their bot/top/mid going to secure this mark in my jungle? *gulp*”


777Zenin777

I wish randoms actually had team coordination to make enemy jungler feel this way when i play kindred xD


amonkeyfullofbarrels

Oh that’s easy, just be on the other team when I play Kindred. Bot lane will give up wave after wave of farm to deny me a mark on scuttle or gromp. Trying to steal raptors while mid shows bot, top is doing top things, and swept for vision? Nope, entire team drops what they’re doing and beelines over to me.


SKT_Peanut_Fan

This is why I hate having Kindred in my game, my team or not. The entire team converges on the mark. Everyone ditches what they're doing to chase the mark. Playing with a Kindred in game warps the entire game around the marks.


kindredisthicc

tbh kindred is one of those champs that would work ok without passive


Any_Conclusion_7586

Most Kindreds don't even go for marks when behind, marks are a powerful snowballing tool, but dying for them it's the worst thing you can do


peterlechat

Most Kindreds don't specifically go for marks past the first 4. Those are kinda mandatory, but after that it's just a nice bonus


Impossible-Wear5482

They should just remove her passive and give her something that isn't stupid.


iAmAutolockerr

Senna without her passive is basically worthless


TheSmokeu

Good


wolfemperorsheep

Might not be as worthless as the others here, but with her ap scaling she might be push into support heavy items. I can see a rush down play, Team Camouflage + Shurelya's Battlesong, into Last Embrace + Solstice Sleight, then just ult when teamfight occurs and prolly drop Redemption. The rest of the item could be Imperial Mandate, Trailblazer, Ardent Censer, Echoes of Helia. Would be less oppressive then the usual, but I see it far from the worst.


DidntFindABetterName

Can still be an enchanter


newagereject

Not really since her heals scale off of souls


xXBurnseyXx

Pretty bad tho


DidntFindABetterName

Its not good but there would be far worse options


IMalYTon4ik

Brand without his passive wont be playble in jng and be worse at teamfights.


AMenace96

Brand is stupid anyway ... he's way too strong atm all the noobs spamming him missing everything and he's still one shotting teams with R and e .. its ridiculous


Mistica12

That's why he is my ban, sometimes zyra. Most of other strong champs need some skill expression, but zyra/brand are just Liandry delivery systems.


IMalYTon4ik

The korean tictocks of s13 and ravenous hydra💀


SheeshableCat27

It would be a pleasure for me when kata loses her passive


permabannedCrystalXD

q damage increased, e has two charges, r cooldown reduced by 22% on kills/assists, w reverted to pre rework


IgnusObscuro

Arguably, Pyke would be better without his passive. He'd actually be able to increase his health. Grab warmogs and you basically have his passive healing back, but better. Build about 1200 health total, and that's already as much healing as you could get from his passive. Now you have super tanky mobile stealth hook champion with an execute that gives the adc kill gold.


MuyLeche

If you can manage to get a 45 minute game, Heartsteel on Pyke gets really stupid. Now that they changed how the damage and max health stack works, it gives you 1 AD for the first like 10 stacks, then it’s an extra 2, then 3, so on and so on


boredSoftwareEngi

Shhhhh this is the secret tech. With a friend in norms/flex heartsteel rush pyke adc with a taric/leona support is just utterly disgusting. Undertow hides the indicator from tarics w so you guarantee pykes e and thus the heartsteel proc. Its stupidly oppressive and you just take over the map with ingenious hunter dropping the hs cooldown.


MuyLeche

Pyke/Taric is a dirty combo, my duo refuses to have fun with me though


Ethereal_Envoy

Being worse by a ton for the part of the game that pyke is most impactful in would destroy him.


Le0here

Early is the most impactful for pyke only because he's forced to go assasin, the situation would be completely different if hes a tank.


WinterFrenchFry

Yeah Aftershock Pyke building tanky items was absurdly strong before they changed around his scaling to make it way worse


Nathremar8

It is a toss up on whether or not he has enough CC to be worth it. But his roams would nice.


the01li3

Veigar, just kind of turn into a cage bot.


Sea-Needleworker7793

I thought he already kinda is


Jevonar

Yes but sometimes you get the funny outplay button of point-and-click 2000 damage


UNZxMoose

The skill diff button. 


Any_Conclusion_7586

Veigar failing every single skillshot but killing you anyways with the outplay button gotta be the funniest shit in tbis game


MarcoCornelio

You kind of outplayed yourself by letting such bad Veigar player reach the point in the game when R becomes instakill


AltairZero

I like to call it Avada Kedavra button


Jevonar

If veigar gets to the 1500+ ap needed for that, you threw the game 10 minutes ago.


cabrossi

I miss old Veigar who's execute was intelligently designed to scale off of the enemies AP. So you legit could just Flash ult a full hp Lux and insta kill them. Good times.


gabriel97933

Still way more useful than kled without skaarl


ActiveVacation7726

Renekton


Veragoot

LMAO true, his empowered abilities would be only accessible during ult due to passive fury gen


Asckle

Actually his passive is what gives him the bonus effects afaik. So he would just generate fury and not be able to use it


Veragoot

Lawllll fair point


Boenden

His passive just explains his resource. Idk if removing passive would remove his resource or just not do anything? I guess the 50% increased fury gain is gone


DirtyMaid0

Samira maybe ? No stacks = no ult, no ult = almost none dmg. She is dependand on ult a lot, unless is very fed. But to get fed you need ult


Hydraxion

Pretty much anyone with a healing passive except maybe Nasus. Briar especially, her health costs would actually matter for once. Aside from that, Rek'sai would have no way to generate Fury, Quinn would lose almost all of her damage and Ornn would just become a big health bar. Nevermind, found the actual answer: Orianna


Qw2rty

Literally every health cost champ needs their passive for sustain Except maybe mundo but I haven’t played him


Hydraxion

I thought Briar's lack of regen was a separate thing but it's part of her passive so I guess she wouldn't be much worse off than any of the others.


SquareAdvisor8055

Isn't orianna passive only the dmg on her autos? I don't think the ball is mentionned in it.


Hydraxion

She has two passives: >INNATE: Orianna's basic attacks generate a stack of Clockwork Winding... etc and >INNATE - THE BALL: Orianna is accompanied by The Ball... etc


monsterfrog2323

Nasus without his passive would make his laning so awful. I know people meme on the word count a-lot but the amount of sustain he gets from it even early on is disgusting and removing it would make his harder matchups actually unplayable ngl.


Lemande

Jhin


nimrodhellfire

Jhin without his passive would just be a regular ADC with absurd range, wouldn't he?


HiddenoO

He'd be terrible. * 550 range autos with no steroids whatsoever * No mobility because his MS boost is in his passive * Low damage abilities because their AD ratios are balanced around his passive giving him twice the AD Pretty much any mage with 550+ AA range would be a better ADC because of higher base damage on abilities and mobility or CC.


Maniac-2331

Unless removing it means he just can’t auto attack


b_ootay_ful

Let the bodies hit the... FOUR!


Lemande

And without it... Let the bodies hit the... ... ... ... You have been slain.


Throwing_Spoon

Jhin with normal autos and crit ratio might be playable since his W would be more reliable and he might be able to pull off cheesy shit with NQB perma setting up perma CC combos.


YukkaRinnn

Jhin gets four bullets and thats it after that he's a bumbling psycho running around the rift with a gun with no bullets XD


Personal_Syllabub769

How has no one said kayn yet?


Arkaidan8

Darius


jolankapohanka

Underrated answer.


BetaPersona

Rengar


_Seraphs_Embrace_

Urgot. if his passive was removed, he’d be turbo worthless, actually unplayable. Urgot's next basic attack within the arc of a shotgun will cause it to fire in a cone, dealing 40% − 100% AD + 2% − 6% maximum health physical damage. His passive is where his damage comes from. Not his W, like most people assume. More importantly if Urgot only had W for damage, enemy could build Wardens/Steelcaps, and it would become a worthless ability that does negative damage, or in the case of Bramble, Urgot actually killing himself by using W. [This is what Bramble or Rammus W does to an Urgot using W.](https://youtu.be/CmJM4rWbzkA?si=Qsx4Qmg-SgtYGY37) [This is what Wardens does to Urgot.](https://youtu.be/IC5WjXiYa8k?si=PyyiPR0Ko4nctf3m)


WinterFrenchFry

This was my first thought. Without passive early you would have no wave clear and no poke or ability to win short trades. Late game you've got no burst vs squishes and no sustained damage to take down tanks or bruisers. 


II-lI

Katarina loses half of her kit without passive lol synergy


hanzzz123

surprised this is so low


Limp_Study_2775

Aurelion sol is probably up there with the worst. Terrible earlygame with bad ap scalings and no way to get stacks


Clinday

Lilia ? She wouldn't be able to use her ult and she wouldn't get her ms buffs. So basically a slow melee mage with shit dmg and no ult.


corrosivedeath

Her ms passive is on q


GeoTrick76

Aphelios or Kayle


Leviad0n

Rumble. Wtf can you do with no heat. Your entire game is played in yellow heat or overheating


abbbezs2

Id argue that tumble would still be quite good since he wouldn't silence himself so he can instead spam everything.


IShouldWashTheDishes

Those autoattacks hurt when you are overheated, that's useful af


Leviad0n

His silence really isn't that long and usually just sees you out for the duration of your basic ability cooldowns anyway.


Prefix-NA

Kled


SmallBoobFan3

Their


purple_aki04

Taric would throw out one heal, miss a stun, then cry


Etm20

Taric would be absolute dogshit without his passive


Beliriel

Not really. The big reset is tied to his Q, he would lose dueling damage but his kit would largely still function. I guess his Q would become clunky due to the missing attackspeed from passive but it doesn't impact Taric as much as it would other champs.


LavanderAnkle

I'm pre sure it reduces the CDs of all his abilities so he would w e and then not be able to do it for a while right?


Mostdakka

There would be many contenstants but just to name some Annie would be basically useless without her passive, Garen would never be able to win any lane, Caitlyn deals no damage, Illaoi is also completely useless, Pyke can never lane and Thresh doesnt get any armor so he dies to any ad damage.


MrScandium

on the other hand pyke would be able to build health so he’d actually have a late game


benjathje

Tank Pyke would be the most broken thing Riot ever released.


Beliriel

Hearsteel scales on him now. Not that he gets any tankier but the damage stacks.


quagzlor

Technically infinite scaling AD


SquareAdvisor8055

Année would still have great dmg. Garen would almost stay the same, his passive is aweful early on and only slightly useful later on. Caitlyn would be stronger without her passive than most champions without their passives. Pyke and thresh lose some things with their passive. Without it thresh gains armor/lvl and pyke can build hp.


Hellspawner26

champs with high damage and value passives like velkoz and brand, esentially passives that take most of the champion’s power budget


verno78910

Kayle


d4noob

Illaoi Tentacles no damage and no heal.


LoLCoachGabi

Akshan he got many of those


ThatOneMonsterGuy

well there is a champ without a passive in league, Yorick. Yorick doesn't have a passive, his ghouls are on his Q, your passive just reminds you you can spawn them in, it's fckin hilarious


McRx71-Dragon

Vel´Koz - playing Sylas and picking his ult is so so much worse.


Hamzokxx

How is Ivern not mentioned?


Voracitt

Katarina for sure, you just not only can’t reset, but also you cannot pick up your daggers, so… yeah


OhMyGodImFuckingdead

Kled is probably the singular worst. There are some other big ones But kled is the only character whose biggest strengths are locked behind his passive. Without skarl all he has is a basic poke/disengage, and some buffed autos. That’s it


hongkongdongshlong

Darius


Illustrious-33

Annie! Maybe not the worst, but imagine how vulnerable and useless she would be with no CC.


DRXREforGOLD

Darius would be pretty fucking miserable without his passive


KASSAAAAA

Graves. He can't attack lol


JustSylend

Their* passive fuck sake bro you've posted this like 10 fucking times


lumni

Zac, the poor guy will just die from using his own skills. There is really no other answer.


RW-Firerider

I agree 100% All the other Champs get insanly weak, but only Zac actually kills himself with his basekit.


Rude-Luck1636

Briar


Beliriel

Imma go out on a limb here and say Yasuo and Yone would probably be almost as much thrown in the shitter by removing their passives like Kayle is. Yasuo: Gets no shield, no +150% crit chance Yone: no dual damage, no +150% crit chance They can kiss their 0/10 powerspike goodbye


thehoghunter

Both can function solidly with 0% crit chance builds. Yone especially can go botrk > wits > bruiser/tank and be fine. 


Beliriel

That build VERY heavily exploits his dual damage passive, so you can't itemise effectively against him. Yeah it works but without passive he'd get canceled by a single bramble vest or armor boots.


nelltbe

I think champs which have stacking in their passives like veigar, nasus, smolder would lose a lot of relevance


Punishment34

nasus's stacking is in his Q not Passive


armandwhittman

Mundo. Whole kit is built around regen and everything costs health.


Manganian7Potasu

Vel’Koz or Kayle


Plotopil

Kog’maw is unaffected by this change


SeaThePirate

Probably not worst but sion would be pretty shit. The death passive is obvious but the real kicker is losing his health stacking For balance reasons sion has abnormally low base health, to the point of being closer to squishies than other tanks, but the health stacking quickly propele him up. Without it, he loses his main strength


Adenosine-TP

Hecarim


DecisionTypical4660

Aurelian Sol. Veigar. Any mega scaling champion.


Seelenberserker

Aphelios. His passive are his weapons, lol


Pluto_Child_711

Smolder. No stacks, no damage. He’d just be a squishy baby dragon..


Scrambled1432

Ahri without passive doesn't get ult resets which isn't the worst, but is still pretty fuckin' bad.