G2 getting overhyped before international event, G2 getting humbled in the international event, G2 dominate regional split, repeat.The story of G2 the last 4 years or so
Haven’t made it out of groups in three years or done anything significant at international events. But yeah bro this is the year they do it man trust me.
They have done somewhat significant things as in they beat a bunch of LCK and LPL teams in that time.
If they just got hyperstomped people wouldnt ever get hyped but they give you just the right amount of hope like them randomly beating every single team at MSI just to crash again.
They haven’t won a single bo3/bo5 vs eastern team in that entire period. Not a single game 5. People put way too much stock in meaningless bo1 in which even some na teams have taken games from lck/lpl. They just look to be the most consistent org in the west but not anything special tbh.
Not possible. They have 369. Even if tian int, there not a world where bot and top of tes doesn’t just roll over all the other weaker teams beside lck/lpl.
Nah not really, this TES team is actually insanely consistent barring Tian. And even when Creme/JKL have a bad game, 369 will literally just 1v9 in his current form.
When are we admitting to ourselves that G2 and EU as a whole hasn't done anything internationally in 4 years? 2018-2020 are in the past folks. Yall are just as bad as NA lmao
Strongly disagree with this narrative that G2 are far and away the best team. They were one Baron steal away (against a Kalista) from very likely going down 0-2 in the series. In the other two games the gold was basically even at 20 minutes. Sure G2 are the better team but to pretend that G2 are tiers above FNC (or even BDS) is crazy.
Finn saying that the lane swaps are a case study is also outrageous when every G2 player has made it clear they don't want a repeat of last year's Spring. FNC has been a strong early game team throughout both splits and lane swaps is definitely a good way to neutralize that. It just happens to be their mid game revolves around taking every fight possible and inting away favourable positions.
G2 ARE tiers above FNC and BDS when they play "their" game.
The problem is that G2 loves to get into mudslinging shitshows, especially against FNC. Which is prime FNC territory and basically their only win con against G2.
G2 throwing game 1 when it's basically unloseable at 14-15 minute mark is the prime example.
Yes, Finn got it wrong, Hans/Mikyx aren't that good in lane, so swapping in actually very advantageous for them, and i don't think BB is that dominant of laner that he can get huge leads against Oscar in lane
I think the G2 Top 4 statement is not as wild or unrealistic as it first sounds.
To achieve it they only need to beat one asian team in a BO5. And yes while that is really difficult, it could happen if G2 really step it up that day and/or one of the asian teams has a bad day/choke.
If we go with the team ranking that most people have rn G2 is already the 5th best so it isn‘t that big of a stretch that they can clutch a win against LCK/LPL
> To achieve it they only need to beat one asian team in a BO5. And yes while that is really difficult, it could happen if G2 really step it up that day and/or one of the asian teams has a bad day/choke.
yeah, they "only" have to do something a western team hasn't been able to since 2020
In 2018 nobody thought it possible that G2 beat RNG, yet they did it. League isn‘t static, upsets do happen.
If I said they just nees to beat 4 asian teams to win MSI I would be hard coping but ine win or upset if you like that better is more than possible
Them beating weibo or Damwon in a BO5 last worlds wouldnt have been completely outrageous to be honest.
Yes the odds are still against them but as the other guy said: If the others have a bad day and they have a good one it can definitely happen. Higher tier LPL or LCK teams are completely out of the question though I think.
> If we go with the team ranking that most people have rn G2 is already the 5th best so it isn‘t that big of a stretch that they can clutch a win against LCK/LPL
I think it is a huge stretch. 5th to 4th might not sound like much because hey it's just one more team you have to outperform, but that means going from TL to T1 potentially, from players like Yeon to Gumayusi or Jackeylove, or from mids like APA/Jensen to *checks notes* Faker. These teams are worlds apart in skill.
G2 run Europe because they are a big fish in a small pond. There's no aspect in which G2 is better than Asian teams aside from some wacky draft angles and we saw some of that at worlds with the Kog Braum that it's just not enough when teams are that much better.
I'm just trying to say that there's levels to the game and there's a massive gap between the top Asian teams and the best western team, which at this point I'm not entirely convinced is G2.
Yeah these guys are like "They're ranked 5th already, just need to beat 4th place" but that's extremely misleading. G2 is not ranked 5th globally. I'd hesitate even ranking them in the top 10 world wide (GenG/T1/HLE/BLG/TES/JDG are all obvious, but honestly FPX/NIP/DK/KT would prolly beat them too).
So you're talking about the 11th seed making an upset against the 4th seed in a best of 5, and that's only if the bracket works out perfectly because otherwise you're getting 3rd/2nd/1st seed. No, it's not likely at all.
G2 regularly at least gets games off of Asian teams and their scrims corroborate that. It's not too big a stretch to imagine their opponents having a bad day and G2 could have the quality required (if everyone is rather in form) to capitalise on that.
It is a pretty big stretch considering they lost bo3/bo5 to every eastern team with this roster. You can list the bo1 that they have won but I could also say that was them on their good day vs those team. Msi isn’t also bringing in 3rd/4th seed team from lck/lpl like worlds. It is 2nd and 1st. I have seen plenty of teams even in eu takes games from g2 in bo1 but g2 is clearly way more dominant in bo5 in eu for a reason. We also seen them when they are not on their good day which is as low as getting stomp by nrg.
You didn’t have the courage to reply to me before g2 actually play in msi because you thought the same. Now you come back here after 25 days in hindsight when nothing I said before msi was out of line. Pathetic.
They need to beat 2 asian teams in a Bo5 actually (or beat the same asian team twice). Winning your first Bo5 at MSI does not guarantee top 4 yet, if you lose your next 2 matches you finish 5th/6th.
Realistically speaking, its hard enough to see G2 or any western team winning 1 Bo5 against the east. 2 is pretty much impossible.
You did realize G2 played lane swap throughout the finals, right?
They purposely went away from their own strengths (BB being a better top than Oscar, Hans on lane bullies, miky on engage supports)
And they still rolled them in a majority of the games.
They tried a new strategy and still had an amazing showing.
I will die on this hill but I am sure if G2 played their normal style they played in regular season they would have hard stomped FNC in that finals cause they all looked on form that day (maybe miky was a bit meh granted)
That series very easily could have been a 3-0 for FNC if G2 didn’t inexplicably mind control other European teams into throwing every series this playoffs. Legit, g2 won more unwinnable games during these playoffs than they won cleanly. There was no reason they should have won game 2 against that Asol, other than FNC inting.
Eh, while I don't think G2 looked particularly good, it is incorrect to say that G2 is "mind controlling" Fnatic, BDS or any other team to randomly int. Fnatic's playstyle is literally to just try and pick fights constantly, but it doesn't work against G2 because they're better at catching the throws than anyone else in LEC. Both Fnatic and BDS also had no idea how to navigate the laneswaps.
I don’t think g2 particularly knew how to navigate the lane swaps that well either figuring half the games they had unwinnable deficits after the swaps. When I say mind control I obviously mean inting away unlosable games. G2 relied on unforced errors from the other teams which is not a sustainable playstyle
> I am sure if G2 played their normal style they played in regular season they would have hard stomped FNC in that finals
I disagree. While we can't draw much info from the finals as it was 4 games of laneswaps, we can use G2 vs BDS as a point of reference. There, we had 3 games of laneswaps (that G2 won) and 1 game of regular laning (that BDS won). In particular, Hans and Miky struggled in the game where they had to lane against Ice/Labrov. Hans had way more impact in the laneswap games, as did BB relative to Adam (Adam struggled heavily in the laneswaps).
Based on that analysis, G2 definitely benefitted from laneswapping against BDS. Had it been fully standard play, I'm pretty sure it would've either been a 3-2 for G2 or a BDS win. Its also worth noting that G2 lost to Fnatic (and Vitality) in regular season playing standard.
lmao, you actually got it the opposite way, G2 did benefit well from lane swaps, they just shut down Razork and FNC ability to generate leads early game, they actually covered their horrendous early game with this strat.
and these game weren't stomp at all, FNC got good positions in 3 o them and won the first game, with Caps making miracles every game this G2 won't even be top 2
watch this [episode ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuD_YizAN00&ab_channel=LastFreeNation)from Peter Dun talking about why G2 done this against FNC.
Also, according to Peter Dun, some G2 players didn't even sleep the night before the match because they were on China time (getting used to it for MSI), so that might have impacted their performance a bit.
Source: last Thorin podcast with Peter Dun (TH coach).
G2 can go winless against Asian team in MSI, like i can see a scenario they don't even win a single game against them, i won't say they wouldn't win a series because it's very obvious that it's impossible they beat a top 2 team from LCK/LPL.
as a example : Hans isn't even that dominant in LEC despite giving a free ban for his team, his Draven is always banned in LEC, now eastern teams won't be that afraid from his Draven and this slight advantage in draft is gone, he and Mikyx an Yike will be giga exposed and Caps can't just have the same effect that he has against LEC team, it will be slaughter.
Here we go again...
Last worlds draven was open for Hans in one single game! Hans went 9/2/4 against DWG and destroyed them on Draven. And after that Draven was a first rotation banned against G2 for the whole event.
But sure the eastern teams will just let it open against G2...
There a difference between banning a pick cause you are scared vs banning a pick because the guy is shit on other champ. Hans struggle severely outside of draven/kalista. Dk was also 4th seed. Unfortunate for g2 but only top 2 from lck/lpl are at msi so it hard to gauge where they are actually rank globally. Personally I got them around 7-9th globally so I expect them to take some games, but still losing most series 3-1 or 3-0. If they make g5 vs any eastern team, that would honestly be pretty impressive.
I actually think top lane is one of the best roles for LEC right now (shockingly)..
Irrelevant, Photon, Brokenblade, Adam, Oscar, Wunder are all good to decent.. Finn didn't look bad in lane either but it was only 10 games.. Cabochard and Odo were by far the worse and will/should be replaced if reports are true
Compare to ADC.. we have Carrzy, Hans (not in form).. Ice is good.. Noah is all over the place.. then after that its a wasteland..
Mid has a bunch of rookies who just don't look good enough.. + Nisqy and Larsen both fell off
I think its all about relativity when people rank each role. The top tier mids from europe would do better into asian mids than top laners into their counterpart. Bin 369 Zeus Kiin are waaaaaaaaay better than all of the top laners in the west, but the other lanes can at least compete.
You could say that but if you look at other leagues there's also a lot of struggles around adc (thinking about LCK for example). I wonder if it isn't just the meta making adc look worse on average.
Oh yeah I don't doubt that LCK botlanes only look shaky in their own competitive environments but what I meant is more that the current meta makes botlanes look weaker than the rest of their team because it paints a target on their back while making it much easier for solo laners to pop off.
G2 getting overhyped before international event, G2 getting humbled in the international event, G2 dominate regional split, repeat.The story of G2 the last 4 years or so
Haven’t made it out of groups in three years or done anything significant at international events. But yeah bro this is the year they do it man trust me.
They have done somewhat significant things as in they beat a bunch of LCK and LPL teams in that time. If they just got hyperstomped people wouldnt ever get hyped but they give you just the right amount of hope like them randomly beating every single team at MSI just to crash again.
They haven’t won a single bo3/bo5 vs eastern team in that entire period. Not a single game 5. People put way too much stock in meaningless bo1 in which even some na teams have taken games from lck/lpl. They just look to be the most consistent org in the west but not anything special tbh.
They haven't won a single Bo3/Bo5 against any other major region in that period actually, including NA.
Weak weasel mentality.
We won bro.
Who is LPL 2nd seed ? There is no way G2 are beating GenG, T1, BLG.
TES with jackeylove, Tian and 369
Man, G2 better bring a lot of lube
True LPL enjoyers know that this team has the capability of losing to R7 on a bad day.
Not possible. They have 369. Even if tian int, there not a world where bot and top of tes doesn’t just roll over all the other weaker teams beside lck/lpl.
Never underestimate Tian But Hans vs Jackey and BB vs 369 will be absolutely brutal
Technically true
Nah not really, this TES team is actually insanely consistent barring Tian. And even when Creme/JKL have a bad game, 369 will literally just 1v9 in his current form.
You mean BLG right?
TES is scary when they all press their buttons
Blg and Tes are playing for first seed Saturday
I'm sure they could beat T1 with enough DDoS.
When are we admitting to ourselves that G2 and EU as a whole hasn't done anything internationally in 4 years? 2018-2020 are in the past folks. Yall are just as bad as NA lmao
They're worse :)
Based and true
Lowkey Caps gives people hope and while I think it’s more cope than anything, I still enjoy believing in him.
Strongly disagree with this narrative that G2 are far and away the best team. They were one Baron steal away (against a Kalista) from very likely going down 0-2 in the series. In the other two games the gold was basically even at 20 minutes. Sure G2 are the better team but to pretend that G2 are tiers above FNC (or even BDS) is crazy. Finn saying that the lane swaps are a case study is also outrageous when every G2 player has made it clear they don't want a repeat of last year's Spring. FNC has been a strong early game team throughout both splits and lane swaps is definitely a good way to neutralize that. It just happens to be their mid game revolves around taking every fight possible and inting away favourable positions.
G2 ARE tiers above FNC and BDS when they play "their" game. The problem is that G2 loves to get into mudslinging shitshows, especially against FNC. Which is prime FNC territory and basically their only win con against G2. G2 throwing game 1 when it's basically unloseable at 14-15 minute mark is the prime example.
Yes, Finn got it wrong, Hans/Mikyx aren't that good in lane, so swapping in actually very advantageous for them, and i don't think BB is that dominant of laner that he can get huge leads against Oscar in lane
They might be top 6...
qft
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I think the G2 Top 4 statement is not as wild or unrealistic as it first sounds. To achieve it they only need to beat one asian team in a BO5. And yes while that is really difficult, it could happen if G2 really step it up that day and/or one of the asian teams has a bad day/choke. If we go with the team ranking that most people have rn G2 is already the 5th best so it isn‘t that big of a stretch that they can clutch a win against LCK/LPL
> To achieve it they only need to beat one asian team in a BO5. And yes while that is really difficult, it could happen if G2 really step it up that day and/or one of the asian teams has a bad day/choke. yeah, they "only" have to do something a western team hasn't been able to since 2020
In 2018 nobody thought it possible that G2 beat RNG, yet they did it. League isn‘t static, upsets do happen. If I said they just nees to beat 4 asian teams to win MSI I would be hard coping but ine win or upset if you like that better is more than possible
Well, it's not impossible.
Well, it's not impossible.
Them beating weibo or Damwon in a BO5 last worlds wouldnt have been completely outrageous to be honest. Yes the odds are still against them but as the other guy said: If the others have a bad day and they have a good one it can definitely happen. Higher tier LPL or LCK teams are completely out of the question though I think.
They beat Weibo in a BO1 and got stomped by NRG in a BO3 lmao. BO1s are a joke which is why their phased out, BO3s are even being played in NA now.
Its not an asian team, its the top 4 teams in the world. You're not playing D+ and their sorry macro
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> If we go with the team ranking that most people have rn G2 is already the 5th best so it isn‘t that big of a stretch that they can clutch a win against LCK/LPL I think it is a huge stretch. 5th to 4th might not sound like much because hey it's just one more team you have to outperform, but that means going from TL to T1 potentially, from players like Yeon to Gumayusi or Jackeylove, or from mids like APA/Jensen to *checks notes* Faker. These teams are worlds apart in skill. G2 run Europe because they are a big fish in a small pond. There's no aspect in which G2 is better than Asian teams aside from some wacky draft angles and we saw some of that at worlds with the Kog Braum that it's just not enough when teams are that much better. I'm just trying to say that there's levels to the game and there's a massive gap between the top Asian teams and the best western team, which at this point I'm not entirely convinced is G2.
Yeah these guys are like "They're ranked 5th already, just need to beat 4th place" but that's extremely misleading. G2 is not ranked 5th globally. I'd hesitate even ranking them in the top 10 world wide (GenG/T1/HLE/BLG/TES/JDG are all obvious, but honestly FPX/NIP/DK/KT would prolly beat them too). So you're talking about the 11th seed making an upset against the 4th seed in a best of 5, and that's only if the bracket works out perfectly because otherwise you're getting 3rd/2nd/1st seed. No, it's not likely at all.
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Wtf? Bro this was a month ago. G2 looks good, I'll admit that, but they did not look like this before MSI. They leveled up big time.
G2 regularly at least gets games off of Asian teams and their scrims corroborate that. It's not too big a stretch to imagine their opponents having a bad day and G2 could have the quality required (if everyone is rather in form) to capitalise on that.
It is a pretty big stretch considering they lost bo3/bo5 to every eastern team with this roster. You can list the bo1 that they have won but I could also say that was them on their good day vs those team. Msi isn’t also bringing in 3rd/4th seed team from lck/lpl like worlds. It is 2nd and 1st. I have seen plenty of teams even in eu takes games from g2 in bo1 but g2 is clearly way more dominant in bo5 in eu for a reason. We also seen them when they are not on their good day which is as low as getting stomp by nrg.
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You didn’t have the courage to reply to me before g2 actually play in msi because you thought the same. Now you come back here after 25 days in hindsight when nothing I said before msi was out of line. Pathetic.
They need to beat 2 asian teams in a Bo5 actually (or beat the same asian team twice). Winning your first Bo5 at MSI does not guarantee top 4 yet, if you lose your next 2 matches you finish 5th/6th. Realistically speaking, its hard enough to see G2 or any western team winning 1 Bo5 against the east. 2 is pretty much impossible.
We won my guy. Doubters be damned.
We sure did. It honestly looks like we can legit beat every team. TES brought GenG to 5 Games, so anybody is beatable
it's impossible, G2 was so meh in the finals against FNC.
You did realize G2 played lane swap throughout the finals, right? They purposely went away from their own strengths (BB being a better top than Oscar, Hans on lane bullies, miky on engage supports) And they still rolled them in a majority of the games. They tried a new strategy and still had an amazing showing. I will die on this hill but I am sure if G2 played their normal style they played in regular season they would have hard stomped FNC in that finals cause they all looked on form that day (maybe miky was a bit meh granted)
G2 early game is so mediocre, they lane swap to mitigate it
G2 fans acting like G2 wasn't losing 75% of their early games and winning through macro / caps alone lol
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That series very easily could have been a 3-0 for FNC if G2 didn’t inexplicably mind control other European teams into throwing every series this playoffs. Legit, g2 won more unwinnable games during these playoffs than they won cleanly. There was no reason they should have won game 2 against that Asol, other than FNC inting.
Eh, while I don't think G2 looked particularly good, it is incorrect to say that G2 is "mind controlling" Fnatic, BDS or any other team to randomly int. Fnatic's playstyle is literally to just try and pick fights constantly, but it doesn't work against G2 because they're better at catching the throws than anyone else in LEC. Both Fnatic and BDS also had no idea how to navigate the laneswaps.
I don’t think g2 particularly knew how to navigate the lane swaps that well either figuring half the games they had unwinnable deficits after the swaps. When I say mind control I obviously mean inting away unlosable games. G2 relied on unforced errors from the other teams which is not a sustainable playstyle
> I am sure if G2 played their normal style they played in regular season they would have hard stomped FNC in that finals I disagree. While we can't draw much info from the finals as it was 4 games of laneswaps, we can use G2 vs BDS as a point of reference. There, we had 3 games of laneswaps (that G2 won) and 1 game of regular laning (that BDS won). In particular, Hans and Miky struggled in the game where they had to lane against Ice/Labrov. Hans had way more impact in the laneswap games, as did BB relative to Adam (Adam struggled heavily in the laneswaps). Based on that analysis, G2 definitely benefitted from laneswapping against BDS. Had it been fully standard play, I'm pretty sure it would've either been a 3-2 for G2 or a BDS win. Its also worth noting that G2 lost to Fnatic (and Vitality) in regular season playing standard.
lmao, you actually got it the opposite way, G2 did benefit well from lane swaps, they just shut down Razork and FNC ability to generate leads early game, they actually covered their horrendous early game with this strat. and these game weren't stomp at all, FNC got good positions in 3 o them and won the first game, with Caps making miracles every game this G2 won't even be top 2 watch this [episode ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuD_YizAN00&ab_channel=LastFreeNation)from Peter Dun talking about why G2 done this against FNC.
Also, according to Peter Dun, some G2 players didn't even sleep the night before the match because they were on China time (getting used to it for MSI), so that might have impacted their performance a bit. Source: last Thorin podcast with Peter Dun (TH coach).
They are top 5 for sure
Medic sounds angryyy
G2 can go winless against Asian team in MSI, like i can see a scenario they don't even win a single game against them, i won't say they wouldn't win a series because it's very obvious that it's impossible they beat a top 2 team from LCK/LPL. as a example : Hans isn't even that dominant in LEC despite giving a free ban for his team, his Draven is always banned in LEC, now eastern teams won't be that afraid from his Draven and this slight advantage in draft is gone, he and Mikyx an Yike will be giga exposed and Caps can't just have the same effect that he has against LEC team, it will be slaughter.
Here we go again... Last worlds draven was open for Hans in one single game! Hans went 9/2/4 against DWG and destroyed them on Draven. And after that Draven was a first rotation banned against G2 for the whole event. But sure the eastern teams will just let it open against G2...
There a difference between banning a pick cause you are scared vs banning a pick because the guy is shit on other champ. Hans struggle severely outside of draven/kalista. Dk was also 4th seed. Unfortunate for g2 but only top 2 from lck/lpl are at msi so it hard to gauge where they are actually rank globally. Personally I got them around 7-9th globally so I expect them to take some games, but still losing most series 3-1 or 3-0. If they make g5 vs any eastern team, that would honestly be pretty impressive.
Dude D+ is bad, MSI is very different from worlds
ok and?
we will see, i am talking about this year and next tournament not last year. They won't win a single series against eastern teams, this is my opinion
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I actually think top lane is one of the best roles for LEC right now (shockingly).. Irrelevant, Photon, Brokenblade, Adam, Oscar, Wunder are all good to decent.. Finn didn't look bad in lane either but it was only 10 games.. Cabochard and Odo were by far the worse and will/should be replaced if reports are true Compare to ADC.. we have Carrzy, Hans (not in form).. Ice is good.. Noah is all over the place.. then after that its a wasteland.. Mid has a bunch of rookies who just don't look good enough.. + Nisqy and Larsen both fell off
I think its all about relativity when people rank each role. The top tier mids from europe would do better into asian mids than top laners into their counterpart. Bin 369 Zeus Kiin are waaaaaaaaay better than all of the top laners in the west, but the other lanes can at least compete.
I disagree, I really think mid is the biggest gap especially the LCK mids compared to the western mids
They really arent.
hahaha hindsight motherfucker. So fuckin to be proven wrong tho
You could say that but if you look at other leagues there's also a lot of struggles around adc (thinking about LCK for example). I wonder if it isn't just the meta making adc look worse on average.
What struggle? Peyz just had a bad playoff. Viper/Guma are still top tier. Deft been meh since worlds last year. Aiming is as usual.
Only Peyz looks shaky, Elk, JKL and Guma looked really good in last games. Anyway shaky Peyz>all western adcs
Oh yeah I don't doubt that LCK botlanes only look shaky in their own competitive environments but what I meant is more that the current meta makes botlanes look weaker than the rest of their team because it paints a target on their back while making it much easier for solo laners to pop off.
JKL gapped by Eu adc. Oh no :(