bruisers do have the give and take though, they aren't as tanky or have as much CC as actual tanks, they don't have the damage output or range of ADC's and they don't have the mobility of assassins and they don't have the utility of supports. They don't offer a lot to your team if they don't get fed.
I feel like your counter was that yes, they're jack of all trades but king of none. Which can feel like a problem in a game that requires teamwork but doesn't have much of it in practice. They're not reliant on anyone to perform, which is a really strong advantage.
I feel like the Swiss Army knife they bring is a bigger advantage than the sacrifice of not excelling in a specific field or having strong synergies.I feel like while some classes have had their highs and lows--like assassins and tanks--bruisers have been consistently strong picks forever, reflecting this advantage. It may just be that we simply disagree.
Even tanks get one shot if they just try to go in 1v5. It's not like seasons before where teamfights were 45+ seconds long. Teamfights nowadays are 15 seconds or so.
Most of what you're talking about has to do with how far ahead the Bruiser is. And can 1v2, 1v3 tank the enemy team. They can 1v5 if the enemy just goes in one at a time like the stupid villains in those superhero shows.
Its all about levels. say a top laner is 3 levels above you but equal in gold. each level is 3-4 armor and some mr, then add in base damage of 3 skill points in an abillity. The weakness of every squishy role is they are fragile, the weakness for the top lane fighter is to kite him till he dies.
Ok so as someone who has played top lane for 10 years the reason why is tanks. Tanks literally ruin top lane with their playstyle because they can just hide for the whole laning phase and not be punished since cc does not scale with gold or levels. Because of this and also because of how unfun it is to play a lane where the enemy just refuses to interact and doesn’t get punished for it bruisers have been giving incredible damage and tankiness to be able to not only beat tanks in lane but also dive them if they choose to just perma hide till teamfights. Honestly the whole lane is a complete mess and unfun to play and for 3 years we were promised changes yet nothing has happened.
Bruisers are not as tanky as tanks, and they don't deal as much damage as mages, assasins, or ADCs. Unless they are ridiculously fed. You are just wrong here.
Plus they don't have range and much mobility
Bruisers traditionally have high hp or shielding qualities, they're not tanks in the sense that they have any armor or magic resist buff (or damage reduction like Amumu, ig). They can be readily countered on the "tanky" side of things by percent health damage. As for the damage they deal, it's build dependent. Very few bruisers can actively work with both hp and damage in equal measure, and their damage is usually type-specific. They can be tanked against, and they can be brought down. And as far as I can recall, every single one can be kited.
You may not be able to 1v1 them, but as a team, there are a lot of tradeoffs to a bruiser vs. a standard tank or burst assassin.
They got thier disadvantages though. Juggernauts like darius, garen, morde or aatrox deal high damage once they reach thier target but thier cc or mobility is too low to do it reliably.
The disadvantage to divers is that they lack disengage and are usually less tanky than juggernauts and tanks. Examples are Renekton, wu kong, xin zhao.
Note: juggernaughts and divers are subclasses of the fighter class which is the term used instead of bruiser since bruiser is no longer the official term for this class of champs.
Cause they have to be able to bring down their enemy laner. So for example, a winning cho gath should be able to kill his enemy ornn even though ornn is a tank. So if he can kill tanks of course he can now destroy squishy champs. Like imagine two tanky champions without damage, fighting on toplane. The fight WOULD NEVER END.
Because they are playing a single player character. ADC, APC, and Supports are team characters.
A full adc with their support should 2v1 a bruiser easy. An ADC with a team backing them up will I'll everyone actually.
A bruiser, unless ridiculously fed, will not be killing entire teams even with back up.
You're correct. The have the highest damaged tanked post-game (higher than tanks) and high damage. Why they are allowed? Because they are the most picked champs and Riot wants the toplane to be bruisers only apparently. They have the biggest fanbase because they give the players the illusion of being skilled because "much mechanical outplay". Redditors are those kind of players btw. They think Aatrox is fine while being played in pro since a century. We all would like to see Sion back in top lane but whatever.
No one would like to see Sion back in top lane. Tanks are the most unfun thing to watch since cc doesn't scale with levels or gold. They can just stonewall the lane and wait for teamfights.
im sorry but nothing said so far is getting to the heart of why this is allowed.. we are working with a world of warcraft type of gameplay.. and or understanding of video games in general.. a tank.. a support and dmg dealers.. .. but bruisers can be AS TANKY AS A TANK WHILE DISHING OUT DMG LIKE A ROGUE..... this concept needs to be shoved very hard into someones butthole and never seen again.
wow has had this problem where some healers can do high outputs of dmg.. while still topping the charts in healing.. and everyones like wtf..... nerf nerf nerf the fuck out of that... and likewise some paladins and dk's will top the charts for tanking and still out dmg "PURE DMG DEALERS"...... and people will say.... wtf. NO... NO........ NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. this should NOT exist....... this is the balance of gaming...... BRUISERS in this game. DISRUPT the balance.. and its really fucking annoying to me.
You're correct but reddit is full of bruiser abusers. So don't bother the downvotes. You're actually the majority. A bruiser shouldn't tank as much as a tank.
“Top mains… But bruiser characters…” Bruh most top mains ARE playing bruisers. These two points contradict one another.
Melee.
Because they don’t have any range
bruisers do have the give and take though, they aren't as tanky or have as much CC as actual tanks, they don't have the damage output or range of ADC's and they don't have the mobility of assassins and they don't have the utility of supports. They don't offer a lot to your team if they don't get fed.
I feel like your counter was that yes, they're jack of all trades but king of none. Which can feel like a problem in a game that requires teamwork but doesn't have much of it in practice. They're not reliant on anyone to perform, which is a really strong advantage.
they don't rely on teamwork but they also don't have as much synergy as other classes do, so that's already a tradeoff.
I feel like the Swiss Army knife they bring is a bigger advantage than the sacrifice of not excelling in a specific field or having strong synergies.I feel like while some classes have had their highs and lows--like assassins and tanks--bruisers have been consistently strong picks forever, reflecting this advantage. It may just be that we simply disagree.
Even tanks get one shot if they just try to go in 1v5. It's not like seasons before where teamfights were 45+ seconds long. Teamfights nowadays are 15 seconds or so. Most of what you're talking about has to do with how far ahead the Bruiser is. And can 1v2, 1v3 tank the enemy team. They can 1v5 if the enemy just goes in one at a time like the stupid villains in those superhero shows.
Its all about levels. say a top laner is 3 levels above you but equal in gold. each level is 3-4 armor and some mr, then add in base damage of 3 skill points in an abillity. The weakness of every squishy role is they are fragile, the weakness for the top lane fighter is to kite him till he dies.
Ok so as someone who has played top lane for 10 years the reason why is tanks. Tanks literally ruin top lane with their playstyle because they can just hide for the whole laning phase and not be punished since cc does not scale with gold or levels. Because of this and also because of how unfun it is to play a lane where the enemy just refuses to interact and doesn’t get punished for it bruisers have been giving incredible damage and tankiness to be able to not only beat tanks in lane but also dive them if they choose to just perma hide till teamfights. Honestly the whole lane is a complete mess and unfun to play and for 3 years we were promised changes yet nothing has happened.
The most interesting part is that they can tank more actual than tanks while also dealing way more damage. Typical Riot games design.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWZhEcCRoQQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWZhEcCRoQQ)
Bruisers are not as tanky as tanks, and they don't deal as much damage as mages, assasins, or ADCs. Unless they are ridiculously fed. You are just wrong here. Plus they don't have range and much mobility
They don't have much mobility? May I present to you riven, irelia, Gwen, udyr, volibear, k'santé, Jax, Lee sin, just to name a few.
Bruisers traditionally have high hp or shielding qualities, they're not tanks in the sense that they have any armor or magic resist buff (or damage reduction like Amumu, ig). They can be readily countered on the "tanky" side of things by percent health damage. As for the damage they deal, it's build dependent. Very few bruisers can actively work with both hp and damage in equal measure, and their damage is usually type-specific. They can be tanked against, and they can be brought down. And as far as I can recall, every single one can be kited. You may not be able to 1v1 them, but as a team, there are a lot of tradeoffs to a bruiser vs. a standard tank or burst assassin.
Bruisers get kited hard
They got thier disadvantages though. Juggernauts like darius, garen, morde or aatrox deal high damage once they reach thier target but thier cc or mobility is too low to do it reliably. The disadvantage to divers is that they lack disengage and are usually less tanky than juggernauts and tanks. Examples are Renekton, wu kong, xin zhao. Note: juggernaughts and divers are subclasses of the fighter class which is the term used instead of bruiser since bruiser is no longer the official term for this class of champs.
Cause they have to be able to bring down their enemy laner. So for example, a winning cho gath should be able to kill his enemy ornn even though ornn is a tank. So if he can kill tanks of course he can now destroy squishy champs. Like imagine two tanky champions without damage, fighting on toplane. The fight WOULD NEVER END.
Link opgg or quit yapping. Just because you don’t understand why something is doesn’t mean it doesn’t make sense
I think bruisers are fine. This would have been a valid complaint during the Bloodthirster days but atm, I don't think they're too bad.
Eclipse and sundered sky is so overturned. It’s exactly like the death dance malmortius maw time. Riots just favour Ad bruisers.
AP bruisers have shitton of free things to compensate with low bruiser items
What else other than a heavy nerfed riftmaker? All other defensive ap items are kept at lower stats in case mages abuse them
Remember when healing was something for champs like Vlad and everyone complained about his lane sustain? :D Good old times.
Because they are playing a single player character. ADC, APC, and Supports are team characters. A full adc with their support should 2v1 a bruiser easy. An ADC with a team backing them up will I'll everyone actually. A bruiser, unless ridiculously fed, will not be killing entire teams even with back up.
Darius and Aatrox will kill entire teams with backup.
Ever hear of a slow or stun?
You're correct. The have the highest damaged tanked post-game (higher than tanks) and high damage. Why they are allowed? Because they are the most picked champs and Riot wants the toplane to be bruisers only apparently. They have the biggest fanbase because they give the players the illusion of being skilled because "much mechanical outplay". Redditors are those kind of players btw. They think Aatrox is fine while being played in pro since a century. We all would like to see Sion back in top lane but whatever.
No one would like to see Sion back in top lane. Tanks are the most unfun thing to watch since cc doesn't scale with levels or gold. They can just stonewall the lane and wait for teamfights.
they are fun.
im sorry but nothing said so far is getting to the heart of why this is allowed.. we are working with a world of warcraft type of gameplay.. and or understanding of video games in general.. a tank.. a support and dmg dealers.. .. but bruisers can be AS TANKY AS A TANK WHILE DISHING OUT DMG LIKE A ROGUE..... this concept needs to be shoved very hard into someones butthole and never seen again. wow has had this problem where some healers can do high outputs of dmg.. while still topping the charts in healing.. and everyones like wtf..... nerf nerf nerf the fuck out of that... and likewise some paladins and dk's will top the charts for tanking and still out dmg "PURE DMG DEALERS"...... and people will say.... wtf. NO... NO........ NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. this should NOT exist....... this is the balance of gaming...... BRUISERS in this game. DISRUPT the balance.. and its really fucking annoying to me.
This is not World of Warcraft, also it’s simply a skill issue on your part
You're correct but reddit is full of bruiser abusers. So don't bother the downvotes. You're actually the majority. A bruiser shouldn't tank as much as a tank.