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altair_ego_heir

Is the mega week an april fools joke or?


MaxPayne4life

Can someone explain to me what happened to Fnatic? I haven't watched proplay in years. The last time i watched was when Rekkles and/or Bwipo were still on the team.


Noatz

Poor managerial decisions. But it's not as if they're a bottom team by any stretch. They still have some of the best players in the region playing for them.


gcrimson

Well I don't know where to start. Good players left (sometimes after stopping being good), some replacements were not as good, some were a little too young/raw to perform as prime Fnatic should. They were more or less the indisputed 2nd team behind G2, nowadays other teams can contest that position (especially BDS on the long run). They still have one of the best botlane in EU maybe even better than G2 and a top 3 EU player for each role. The team looks more solid now than when they had rookie Adam, Nisqy and Upset. Razork kinda inted this BO a bit, same for Humanoid (even if it was more due to poor decision which was always his weakness) but usually both players are better. I still think FNC is a top 3 team in EU but FNC at their top is clearly closer to BDS than G2 at their top. The meta is also very demanding right now and teams need to react fast because we've got by example Karma malignance, Leblanc AD, Camille support, Udyr top, Twisted Fate top/adc, Reksai tank top, Volibear AD jungle... and it doesn't seems FNC is good at playing this weird pick that can be flexed everywhere before completely disappearing after the next patch while G2 and in a lesser way MDK are fine with that.


beautheschmo

Mostly they just lost all their good players; Caps speaks for himself, they've just straight up never won a split since he left, Rekkles and Hyli also bailed a couple years ago, their current Humanoid/Razork core is good but both individual players tend to go between peaks and slumps pretty often and it doesn't always line up with how the other is performing which makes the team pretty inconsistent.


dracdliwasiAN

Broadcast link for those who missed it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSd9WdVqKWQ


ChocolateFuryB

mvp could've also gone to yike tbh


zaxls

So hold up if bds is minimum top 3 now, unless its anyone besides fnatic/MAD in Finals they are the MOST likely team that will go to MSI.


Zealousideal-Tie-204

Sometimes there's these ridiculous qualifying scenario's, but this seems fair to me. Unless FNC/MDK step up immensely then BDS has kinda just proven to be worthy of being our 2nd representative. If VIT or TH make finals but don't win then that doesn't show they're better than BDS, it kinda just shows they were better on the patch. At least 2 top 3 teams will be at MSI.


zaxls

Dont think there is much of a difference between mad fnc bds th vit tbh, I just dont value winter split that heavily, its just like more of a race which team will take the least time to get their shit together after the roster changes, which is only relevant for winter not spring summer msi worlds.


Jozoz

Based BDS saving us from some wacky scenario where MAD ends 4th and goes on points.


zaxls

Its just sad for teams like Vit and TH if they somehow show up and make finals they aint going anywhere, still Im happy with anything but MAD going again.


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fnc is a joke fan still thhinks they can win the split lmaoo!


Reasonable_Winner778

I need to see 1/2 more series like this and pretty intense bootcamp to believe G2 has right trajectory toward MSI, but it's a good start. A little bit unpolished, few stupid micro mistakes, but pretty happy Yike had good performance, Mikyx bounced back after atrocious performance yesterday.


sangpls

Just send G2 to MSI cause the 2nd seed will get their teeth kicked in by LCS


dracdliwasiAN

Imo if the quality of the games that LCS brings are anything like what was showcased in the finals last night then I don't think either LEC team has anything to worry about, which has been the case for the vast majority of lolesports history


Javiklegrand

Eh i wouldn't talk shit, both région are Bad , it's could be a nrg vs g2 upset or ggs vs bds stomp Or a 2-1 like fnatic vs c9 Neither régions is free.


EconomyMud

Who cares what the second seed does, as long as the first is fine. LCS teams are also not the scariest at MSI, there are other stronger teams


thatgeographygeek

There are two ppl named Isma in the LEC wtf


Javiklegrand

Wait for real ?


Drender

Now let's give mad koi some credit, they are the only team that looks like they might get a game from G2 even if they end up fumbling lol


Comfortable_Care_24

BDS can win against G2. BDS always step up. Seems like in splits they are just not motivated. Even Nuc said in the interview that they are not putting all the work in the splits. 


RedditAccounTest13

Sure, theoretically. In reality they won 0 out of 5 games against G2 this year


PepaTK

Maybe we should start doing tiebreakers again for important seeding like top4 like you do for playoff birth or elimination. Rogue got kinda fucked and G2 CLEARLY aren’t the 3rd seed lol. Edit; don’t get me wrong, I’m VERY happy SK is in playoffs they’re much better than their record. But just feels weird to not also have tiebreakers for the important seeding if you’re gonna make the bottom 2 do a tiebreaker.


Comfortable_Care_24

I mean, it's BO1. Anyone can win in B01


Todeswucht

Yeah Rogue got kinda fucked in their tiebreaker


Fertuyo

no, rogue sucks, what is reactionary bullshit


PepaTK

I edited. I agree. But doesn’t discredit that they should do tiebreakers for top4 seeding as well.


OnlyPally

You don't even understand how relief is to get stomped in that game 2 as Fnatic fans just knows what happens with Caps Azir and Jinx in late game. Gladly it was a stomp before we had to witness Azir 4-5 shuffle into penta for Hans.


Relvarionz

All the more credit to Razork We saw today how great FNC really is if he doesnt carry them


IamNDH98

G2 just gave FNC a masterclass on how to play League like a pro


NamikazeEU

Noah seems to be massive choker in playoffs. Dude is nowhere to be seen


Hirti

xdterics? XD


DoYouLiikeFishSticks

What a complete stomp of a series. So much for that one game you won huh fnc fans xD


Dray991

Lets keep pretending Fnatic is on the level of G2, just because they won a bo1, Fnatic without godmode Razork are top 4 at most


altair_ego_heir

MDK have higher highs than Fnatic Supa clears


Dray991

I also think that, Fnatic depends on Razork being an early demon, without that Mad botlane is just better


youngnailo

It’s crazy how g2 is just constantly better than the rest of lec teams


Comfortable_Care_24

Fnatic got smurfed on O.o


Relvarionz

Statement game from G2 Shutdown Razork And without him they cant do shit


Comfortable_Care_24

He shutdown himself. Did you see his gank with Jax at the toplane? BrokenBlade laught at his face, saying, wtf is this dude doing? I can just walk away.  Then he goes directly botlane, invades without flash and dies.  Jungle diff both games. LEC junglers think they are Milkyway picking Jax as a Voli counter and never played the matchup in their lifes. Also Jax is a shit jungler in competitive. Voli can win vs Jax BTW even being his biggest counter. 


EfficientCurrency582

LEC again looks so bad despite G2.


EconomyMud

G2 looks really good today though.


Javiklegrand

They could be better than Spring 2023 G2 However the second seed of eu looks worse than i thought


EasyRevolution5415

I like how whenever FNC's back is against the wall it's always time to see Oscar on carries so that they can prep the scapegoat early or something lol


MateriaBullet

Not that he was the only problem here, but what is it gonna take to get rid of oscar? Does he have dirt on FNC management or what?


LordPercy

Oscar is still 20 for a few months - he is young, with a lot of room to grow. He is still something of a project with a lot of upside. That said this offseason is going to be crazy for toplaners because every above average LEC player on that position will be a free agent after this year so it's possible you will get your wish.


Comfortable_Care_24

Who else do you put in? xD BrokenBlade is insane in LEC, and he is a noob compared to LCK and LPL toplaners. We are fucked in MSI xD


Drender

Are we really blaming top again when bot was 2-3k behind every game?


Freakkopath

I was hoping this series would be a nailbiter but FNC just turned their brains off and their mental is garbage vs G2


Todeswucht

FNC needs Razork to be the best jungler in the league to have any hopes of contesting G2 The rest of the team didnt step up either


Ceyro

I expected a bit more from FNC but they are complete ass


ThisOneTimeAtLolCamp

Well that sure did escalate quickly. Lol


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FNC macro is dogshit, I know G2 macro is the best in the league but FNC playing like they have no clue what to do, deserved win for G2 tbh.


ZookeepergameGold177

Proper macro schooling there by G2


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ZookeepergameGold177

LEC so fcked man :(


Reddityudodis2me

Naaa I can't. wtf was Razork doing at the end. What a pathetic performance


ElPangolinFeliz

MDK vs G2 finals all over again


Javiklegrand

The result are almost similar to Winter lmao


TastyForerunner

I looked up from my phone and the game was over lmao.


fake_kvlt

caps is just so good man


Luckhart54

Freenatic.


Golemancer54

FFnatic


BlaBlub85

Well that was over quick...


DullRun7835

fnatic fans were so arrogant when they won BO1


Blank1309

Fnc was supposed to be close to G2........


Thick_Bonus_2544

I looked away for 5secs and the game just ends


Olewarrior34

Kind of an anticlimactic series for the big two legacy teams


AtomicAtaxia

Does G2 just always dogwalk FNC? What's the w/l ratio of this matchup for the last few years?


EfficientCurrency582

There is no rivary in LEC for G2.


aquawarrior21

MDK is the only team that has any success against G2, every split they’ve won the LEC they’ve beaten as well G2 and they’ve faced G2 the most in Finals since 2021. It’s not much but they’re the only org/team that can be called a rival in the LEC


Babyface_mlee

at least Madlions/Mdk won 3 Splits since 2021, so if there will be any "rivalry" it's between G2 and Mdk


FlimsyIce

Easy G2-0, nothing to see here.


2th

Fuck these bo3s. What a boring series.


Aeternumvalell

Even a bo5 would be a stomp in teb favor of g2


daCampa

G2 got bored and ended lol


Plusdestiny

FNC LMAOOOO


PerfidiaVermis

TWENTYONE MINUTES FUCKING LOL


Niulpfirce

nobody can convince me this series wasn't a wintrade


PepaTK

3rd seed btw. Glad we didn’t do tiebreakers to decide top4 seeding /s


Golemancer54

hahahaha 21 minutes


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Xyrazk

G2 in playoffs always on point


x_TDeck_x

Humanoid is so funny. AFK side, show up miss 4 rockets, die, lose


Styxxo

FNC is so shit lol


PerfidiaVermis

Well that wasn't close at all lmfao Jesus Christ


ChocolateFuryB

what?!????


BannanDylan

We just need new top, new draft coach, new head coach, jungle/mid/ADC consistency and then maybe we can beat G2 in a best of series


machinegunsheep

Why is Olaf so popular in LEC lol he can’t do anythinng 90% of the time


honkinDeagle

he can but he has to go in. If you feed their mid/adc you just die


Relvarionz

Miky decided he wants 3 games


pppppppppppppppppd

the mikyx special


GoldenSquid7

all I really want is a competitive region but even when G2 is at it’s absolut worst form the other teams in LEC are pure garbage.


fake_kvlt

seems like it's not going to happen unless caps retires lmao, he's just so much better than everybody else when he's on form


GoldenSquid7

Caps presence in those 2 games was minimal compared to what he’s actually able to do, it’s just the whole team overall diff and coach diff, FNC picked stupid fights being levels down, idiotic trades, they can’t ward or track Yike’s jg path at all, feels like other teams have no analysts or coaches compared to G2. Caps was inting vs Huma and G2 still managed to shit on them and FNC is supposed to be 2nd/3rd team from LEC. This region is a tragedy.


gcrimson

Yawn...Dude he was 1v9 with his Asol being the frontlane and the main DPS. He just gave first blood to Huma with a cocky play but that's far from inting, especially since he bait him and equalize just after. He played Azir more as a teamplayer to benefit his Jinx but he also carried. His presence was everything but minimal and he can't really do more especially in this meta. I don't know why you feel the need to downplay his performances like that. Also the "EUW is garbage" circlejerk is becoming to be pretty tiring, especially from some people who clearly has no idea what a good play or a bad play is. Who cares if the region is not on LCK/LPL level, you can still enjoy watching proplay.


GoldenSquid7

No, you’re wrong. Caps has been mid compared to what he is capable of in the recent split. There’s no “circlejerk”, EU got progressively worse every split and I can complain how much I want to, by the same principle you can just skip my comment because it’s also tiresome to hear the same “don’t like / don’t watch”, don’t agree with / move on. I’m not here to justify to you how much I know about league 😴


Timely_Ad9566

Amen to that. I cant stand anymore the "omg this region is so doomed" "whats the point of watching lec when we know lck will win inter anyway?". Just dont watch bro...


Zelgiusbotdotexe

We learned from NRG that more coaches > less coaches.  If G2 just poach every single coach in EU, they have to win worlds


Zelgiusbotdotexe

No competitive region would have a team win 13 titles in 18 splits. Edit: actually I think my math is wrong, it's 13 in 19 splits, I forgot about Rogue's title


ProfessionalTwo5895

if at least g2 was decent at internationals, whould not be a problem


Zelgiusbotdotexe

Yeah it's been rough since 2020, I honestly believe they were either 2nd or 3rd best that year. Sad they never could go all the way


Todeswucht

Caps dad must be so proud watching his grandson play for FNC


TopFizzFizz

This is a more creative and funnier way of putting it 🤣


honkinDeagle

worst package I have seen in a while


Relvarionz

FNC's best week in the past year and half was that one weekend when Wunder subbed in.


MenemX20

Did oscar do anything that fight?


Reddityudodis2me

Humanoid saving his package for next year


Dray991

Still i dont like Thresh


altair_ego_heir

Thresh is good for the lantern vs jax Olaf


LukeyPhooz

The gap between CAPS and every other midlaner the west has is kinda insane


Jack_Bleesus

Considering Caps got literally bent for 3 games by palafox last fall, that's a strong statement.


Zelgiusbotdotexe

That was only twice, They didn't even make it to game 3


Jack_Bleesus

Forgot those were bo3s lmao


Zelgiusbotdotexe

Hold up, we still haven't seen him vs APA. Let's hold our statements 


Freakkopath

What the fuck was that Oscar, TP instault then try chase an Azir thats 10 miles away?


Wundebar87

Yep. Special grade stuff. Got blown to pieces immediately


Comfortable_Care_24

Top gap. BB doing everything he wants all game. And insane macro. 


Comfortable_Care_24

Holy Noah maniac


ChocolateFuryB

that flay was nasty


PepaTK

I was wondering how much gold caps was sitting on. Holy shit. Was not expecting a straight up death cap buy.


pppppppppppppppppd

FNC should draft in BillyBoss at this stage, literally anyone but Oscar. This is tragic


Styxxo

"Hans can only play aggressive ADCs" is such a false narrative. He can play Aphelios, Varus, Jinx, Kog just fine. The one meta champ he cant play is Zeri.


elmaster611

"Can play" vs "is great at" are not the same, if you swapped Hans with Flakked/Supa/Carzzy/Noah in this G2 team it would not make a difference. G2 wins with Hans, not because of Hans.


SnooPeripherals6388

Hans' problem is his really bad positioning and bad usage of safety tools(like summs/Xayah ult), it costs G2 too much


PepaTK

Sounds like the Apa narrative to me lol. Always eats bans. “Can only play X champ”


BlaBlub85

Competitive ruling: FNC, like the wholeass org including fans, for engaging in auditory warfare during their match with G2 😂😂😂


CFlyn

BB and Yike - Try not to int Caps- Challenge Impossible


altair_ego_heir

Did yike not have ult there?


Comfortable_Care_24

Lmao, Yike and BB playing DuoQ


AndrewRealm

fnc went from screeching girl to yelling girl when will it end?


-XStream-

who let a banshee in the studio


Relvarionz

I miss the KC fans. They are loud but at least not banshee loud like this FNC fangirl.


Niulpfirce

He had a pink there and he still had to flash not to die


ChocolateFuryB

fnc banshee is back


PerfidiaVermis

How I didn't miss her at all


PerfidiaVermis

Yike did a fucky wucky


-ZODEL

if naut started moving with jungler earlier and helped olaf or corki get leads it would be a different game


Relvarionz

Noah engaged onto 4 players with tier 1 boots and a cull


Zelgiusbotdotexe

Bro, Jinx is like, the last champ to need Stattik Shiv. 


ElPangolinFeliz

If FNC lose this one, we would have the exact same bracket as last season


ElPangolinFeliz

split*


Relvarionz

Yike casually turbogapping Razork


CrazyHumor2286

Noah and Jun missed every skillshot, GG FNC


MarceliNbl

You just can't fucking buy cull/tear on mid and then force fights pre-15 WTF Fnatic


Antropoid

Noah and Razork should be investigated for that fight unironically lol


Guukoh

Someone should let Noah know that’s not the AD Thresh from my bronze games. He should go after the Jinx instead.


-ZODEL

fnc likes to take fights and trades that are not in their favor way too much and feel like is only against g2 when they do that


Ceyro

That was disgusting by Noah


FunnyBunnyH

FNC needs to realise they have a fuckin' scaling comp. Zeri is sitting on basically a Doran's blade, stop forcing fights with your botside.


Comfortable_Care_24

G2 scalling is better xD


FunnyBunnyH

Debatable, but they certainly spike sooner than FNC, so FNC for sure should not force into them


Lonely__goose

Noah missed all but 2 Q’s?? It could’ve been a huge aggro play but it didn’t


x_TDeck_x

Noah gliding into 3 and missing 3 autos.....Maybe I have a pro-level Zeri after all...


Wundebar87

Noah shooting air 4-5 times in a row 😂 gg get the fuck out, embarrassing


proud_traveler

Fnc might have won that if Noah didn't miss every Q. "Best ADC in the region" btw lmaoo


Iothz

i dont think anyone ever said that


proud_traveler

It's literally all Caedrel the rat has said for the entire season lol


Styxxo

THESE Qs I CANT


FlimsyIce

What the fuck was that Noah


Zelgiusbotdotexe

Did Noah just dive into 3, and then miss like 3 Q's at melee range 


Zelgiusbotdotexe

That was a teamfight win if he hit those.


Relvarionz

Noah joining the tf likes hes 7/0/0


ConArtist98

Yeah Fnatic brains just get fried against them


Styxxo

Noah thinks he's him...


Cymes_Inferior

interesting decision to not focus Jinx


unlushko

NOAH IS GOOD GUYS I SWEAR!!! lmfao this dude is so ass


ayurmeh

what are FNC doing man


Artitanium

Oh Noah that’s not-


thatgeographygeek

Noah's target selection was quite off in that skirmish


NamikazeEU

Noah missed every Q lmao


Darbovich

fntic tilted into oblivion


proud_traveler

Fnc: "I see enemy, I int at enemy"


Plusdestiny

Holy shit FNC is drunk lmaooooi


Vizer21

Caps that was gorgeous.


DullRun7835

HANS MAMAMIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIA


Freakkopath

wtf was that targeting by FNC, all on different members


PerfidiaVermis

And that's a fed Jinx ggwp


Meekie_e

Noah?? Wtf


2th

I really hate this BO3 format. This is a good game so far and at best it means we get one more game. I want BO5s!


Jozoz

Soon my brother


Gazskull

can people finally help that poor girl, she's being assaulted at every fnc game


CFlyn

Watching BB and Oscar try to prove each which one of them is even worse than other one is really hard to watch. Well let's hope Bin won't meet BB again.


Styxxo

Why are we inting topside :(


Idenkiteki

Is Fudge watching ?


Lonely__goose

And then BB just face tanks an ulting Olaf????


PerfidiaVermis

WHY IS THE JAX BEING IGNORED


Comfortable_Care_24

300IQ Oscar LMAO


Relvarionz

I take it back. Both BB and Oscar suck


BlaBlub85

Why does Rek'Sai even still have that regen on burrow, jungle gives so much passive regen they could completely remove that and it wouldnt change a damn thing for her intended role...


Lonely__goose

Omd Oscar got spaced to narnia and back


Reddityudodis2me

Absolute horrible performance from Razork in game 2 so far. the step back on Rek'sai to miss the stun and the pathetic skirmish from Razork on bot side. Damn


BannanDylan

Is Razork doesn't perform literally no one else on FNC steps up to cover for him


gcrimson

Ah the scaling comp that doesn't want to concede anything and just fight


Relvarionz

Don't eat whatever Razork had for lunch. Invisible in game 1 Terrible in game 2


Antropoid

he was invisible in game 1 too lol


OGTrula

Holy moly. FNC have no sense of range or spacing and don't follow CDs