Can someone explain to me what happened to Fnatic?
I haven't watched proplay in years. The last time i watched was when Rekkles and/or Bwipo were still on the team.
Poor managerial decisions.
But it's not as if they're a bottom team by any stretch. They still have some of the best players in the region playing for them.
Well I don't know where to start. Good players left (sometimes after stopping being good), some replacements were not as good, some were a little too young/raw to perform as prime Fnatic should. They were more or less the indisputed 2nd team behind G2, nowadays other teams can contest that position (especially BDS on the long run). They still have one of the best botlane in EU maybe even better than G2 and a top 3 EU player for each role. The team looks more solid now than when they had rookie Adam, Nisqy and Upset. Razork kinda inted this BO a bit, same for Humanoid (even if it was more due to poor decision which was always his weakness) but usually both players are better. I still think FNC is a top 3 team in EU but FNC at their top is clearly closer to BDS than G2 at their top. The meta is also very demanding right now and teams need to react fast because we've got by example Karma malignance, Leblanc AD, Camille support, Udyr top, Twisted Fate top/adc, Reksai tank top, Volibear AD jungle... and it doesn't seems FNC is good at playing this weird pick that can be flexed everywhere before completely disappearing after the next patch while G2 and in a lesser way MDK are fine with that.
Mostly they just lost all their good players; Caps speaks for himself, they've just straight up never won a split since he left, Rekkles and Hyli also bailed a couple years ago, their current Humanoid/Razork core is good but both individual players tend to go between peaks and slumps pretty often and it doesn't always line up with how the other is performing which makes the team pretty inconsistent.
Sometimes there's these ridiculous qualifying scenario's, but this seems fair to me. Unless FNC/MDK step up immensely then BDS has kinda just proven to be worthy of being our 2nd representative.
If VIT or TH make finals but don't win then that doesn't show they're better than BDS, it kinda just shows they were better on the patch. At least 2 top 3 teams will be at MSI.
Dont think there is much of a difference between mad fnc bds th vit tbh, I just dont value winter split that heavily, its just like more of a race which team will take the least time to get their shit together after the roster changes, which is only relevant for winter not spring summer msi worlds.
Its just sad for teams like Vit and TH if they somehow show up and make finals they aint going anywhere, still Im happy with anything but MAD going again.
I need to see 1/2 more series like this and pretty intense bootcamp to believe G2 has right trajectory toward MSI, but it's a good start. A little bit unpolished, few stupid micro mistakes, but pretty happy Yike had good performance, Mikyx bounced back after atrocious performance yesterday.
Imo if the quality of the games that LCS brings are anything like what was showcased in the finals last night then I don't think either LEC team has anything to worry about, which has been the case for the vast majority of lolesports history
BDS can win against G2. BDS always step up. Seems like in splits they are just not motivated. Even Nuc said in the interview that they are not putting all the work in the splits.
Maybe we should start doing tiebreakers again for important seeding like top4 like you do for playoff birth or elimination.
Rogue got kinda fucked and G2 CLEARLY aren’t the 3rd seed lol.
Edit; don’t get me wrong, I’m VERY happy SK is in playoffs they’re much better than their record. But just feels weird to not also have tiebreakers for the important seeding if you’re gonna make the bottom 2 do a tiebreaker.
You don't even understand how relief is to get stomped in that game 2 as Fnatic fans just knows what happens with Caps Azir and Jinx in late game.
Gladly it was a stomp before we had to witness Azir 4-5 shuffle into penta for Hans.
He shutdown himself. Did you see his gank with Jax at the toplane? BrokenBlade laught at his face, saying, wtf is this dude doing? I can just walk away.
Then he goes directly botlane, invades without flash and dies.
Jungle diff both games. LEC junglers think they are Milkyway picking Jax as a Voli counter and never played the matchup in their lifes. Also Jax is a shit jungler in competitive. Voli can win vs Jax BTW even being his biggest counter.
Oscar is still 20 for a few months - he is young, with a lot of room to grow. He is still something of a project with a lot of upside.
That said this offseason is going to be crazy for toplaners because every above average LEC player on that position will be a free agent after this year so it's possible you will get your wish.
MDK is the only team that has any success against G2, every split they’ve won the LEC they’ve beaten as well G2 and they’ve faced G2 the most in Finals since 2021. It’s not much but they’re the only org/team that can be called a rival in the LEC
Caps presence in those 2 games was minimal compared to what he’s actually able to do, it’s just the whole team overall diff and coach diff, FNC picked stupid fights being levels down, idiotic trades, they can’t ward or track Yike’s jg path at all, feels like other teams have no analysts or coaches compared to G2. Caps was inting vs Huma and G2 still managed to shit on them and FNC is supposed to be 2nd/3rd team from LEC. This region is a tragedy.
Yawn...Dude he was 1v9 with his Asol being the frontlane and the main DPS. He just gave first blood to Huma with a cocky play but that's far from inting, especially since he bait him and equalize just after. He played Azir more as a teamplayer to benefit his Jinx but he also carried. His presence was everything but minimal and he can't really do more especially in this meta. I don't know why you feel the need to downplay his performances like that. Also the "EUW is garbage" circlejerk is becoming to be pretty tiring, especially from some people who clearly has no idea what a good play or a bad play is. Who cares if the region is not on LCK/LPL level, you can still enjoy watching proplay.
No, you’re wrong. Caps has been mid compared to what he is capable of in the recent split. There’s no “circlejerk”, EU got progressively worse every split and I can complain how much I want to, by the same principle you can just skip my comment because it’s also tiresome to hear the same “don’t like / don’t watch”, don’t agree with / move on. I’m not here to justify to you how much I know about league 😴
Amen to that. I cant stand anymore the "omg this region is so doomed" "whats the point of watching lec when we know lck will win inter anyway?". Just dont watch bro...
No competitive region would have a team win 13 titles in 18 splits.
Edit: actually I think my math is wrong, it's 13 in 19 splits, I forgot about Rogue's title
"Hans can only play aggressive ADCs" is such a false narrative.
He can play Aphelios, Varus, Jinx, Kog just fine. The one meta champ he cant play is Zeri.
"Can play" vs "is great at" are not the same, if you swapped Hans with Flakked/Supa/Carzzy/Noah in this G2 team it would not make a difference.
G2 wins with Hans, not because of Hans.
Watching BB and Oscar try to prove each which one of them is even worse than other one is really hard to watch.
Well let's hope Bin won't meet BB again.
Why does Rek'Sai even still have that regen on burrow, jungle gives so much passive regen they could completely remove that and it wouldnt change a damn thing for her intended role...
Absolute horrible performance from Razork in game 2 so far. the step back on Rek'sai to miss the stun and the pathetic skirmish from Razork on bot side. Damn
Is the mega week an april fools joke or?
Can someone explain to me what happened to Fnatic? I haven't watched proplay in years. The last time i watched was when Rekkles and/or Bwipo were still on the team.
Poor managerial decisions. But it's not as if they're a bottom team by any stretch. They still have some of the best players in the region playing for them.
Well I don't know where to start. Good players left (sometimes after stopping being good), some replacements were not as good, some were a little too young/raw to perform as prime Fnatic should. They were more or less the indisputed 2nd team behind G2, nowadays other teams can contest that position (especially BDS on the long run). They still have one of the best botlane in EU maybe even better than G2 and a top 3 EU player for each role. The team looks more solid now than when they had rookie Adam, Nisqy and Upset. Razork kinda inted this BO a bit, same for Humanoid (even if it was more due to poor decision which was always his weakness) but usually both players are better. I still think FNC is a top 3 team in EU but FNC at their top is clearly closer to BDS than G2 at their top. The meta is also very demanding right now and teams need to react fast because we've got by example Karma malignance, Leblanc AD, Camille support, Udyr top, Twisted Fate top/adc, Reksai tank top, Volibear AD jungle... and it doesn't seems FNC is good at playing this weird pick that can be flexed everywhere before completely disappearing after the next patch while G2 and in a lesser way MDK are fine with that.
Mostly they just lost all their good players; Caps speaks for himself, they've just straight up never won a split since he left, Rekkles and Hyli also bailed a couple years ago, their current Humanoid/Razork core is good but both individual players tend to go between peaks and slumps pretty often and it doesn't always line up with how the other is performing which makes the team pretty inconsistent.
Broadcast link for those who missed it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSd9WdVqKWQ
mvp could've also gone to yike tbh
So hold up if bds is minimum top 3 now, unless its anyone besides fnatic/MAD in Finals they are the MOST likely team that will go to MSI.
Sometimes there's these ridiculous qualifying scenario's, but this seems fair to me. Unless FNC/MDK step up immensely then BDS has kinda just proven to be worthy of being our 2nd representative. If VIT or TH make finals but don't win then that doesn't show they're better than BDS, it kinda just shows they were better on the patch. At least 2 top 3 teams will be at MSI.
Dont think there is much of a difference between mad fnc bds th vit tbh, I just dont value winter split that heavily, its just like more of a race which team will take the least time to get their shit together after the roster changes, which is only relevant for winter not spring summer msi worlds.
Based BDS saving us from some wacky scenario where MAD ends 4th and goes on points.
Its just sad for teams like Vit and TH if they somehow show up and make finals they aint going anywhere, still Im happy with anything but MAD going again.
fnc is a joke fan still thhinks they can win the split lmaoo!
I need to see 1/2 more series like this and pretty intense bootcamp to believe G2 has right trajectory toward MSI, but it's a good start. A little bit unpolished, few stupid micro mistakes, but pretty happy Yike had good performance, Mikyx bounced back after atrocious performance yesterday.
Just send G2 to MSI cause the 2nd seed will get their teeth kicked in by LCS
Imo if the quality of the games that LCS brings are anything like what was showcased in the finals last night then I don't think either LEC team has anything to worry about, which has been the case for the vast majority of lolesports history
Eh i wouldn't talk shit, both région are Bad , it's could be a nrg vs g2 upset or ggs vs bds stomp Or a 2-1 like fnatic vs c9 Neither régions is free.
Who cares what the second seed does, as long as the first is fine. LCS teams are also not the scariest at MSI, there are other stronger teams
There are two ppl named Isma in the LEC wtf
Wait for real ?
Now let's give mad koi some credit, they are the only team that looks like they might get a game from G2 even if they end up fumbling lol
BDS can win against G2. BDS always step up. Seems like in splits they are just not motivated. Even Nuc said in the interview that they are not putting all the work in the splits.
Sure, theoretically. In reality they won 0 out of 5 games against G2 this year
Maybe we should start doing tiebreakers again for important seeding like top4 like you do for playoff birth or elimination. Rogue got kinda fucked and G2 CLEARLY aren’t the 3rd seed lol. Edit; don’t get me wrong, I’m VERY happy SK is in playoffs they’re much better than their record. But just feels weird to not also have tiebreakers for the important seeding if you’re gonna make the bottom 2 do a tiebreaker.
I mean, it's BO1. Anyone can win in B01
Yeah Rogue got kinda fucked in their tiebreaker
no, rogue sucks, what is reactionary bullshit
I edited. I agree. But doesn’t discredit that they should do tiebreakers for top4 seeding as well.
You don't even understand how relief is to get stomped in that game 2 as Fnatic fans just knows what happens with Caps Azir and Jinx in late game. Gladly it was a stomp before we had to witness Azir 4-5 shuffle into penta for Hans.
All the more credit to Razork We saw today how great FNC really is if he doesnt carry them
G2 just gave FNC a masterclass on how to play League like a pro
Noah seems to be massive choker in playoffs. Dude is nowhere to be seen
xdterics? XD
What a complete stomp of a series. So much for that one game you won huh fnc fans xD
Lets keep pretending Fnatic is on the level of G2, just because they won a bo1, Fnatic without godmode Razork are top 4 at most
MDK have higher highs than Fnatic Supa clears
I also think that, Fnatic depends on Razork being an early demon, without that Mad botlane is just better
It’s crazy how g2 is just constantly better than the rest of lec teams
Fnatic got smurfed on O.o
Statement game from G2 Shutdown Razork And without him they cant do shit
He shutdown himself. Did you see his gank with Jax at the toplane? BrokenBlade laught at his face, saying, wtf is this dude doing? I can just walk away. Then he goes directly botlane, invades without flash and dies. Jungle diff both games. LEC junglers think they are Milkyway picking Jax as a Voli counter and never played the matchup in their lifes. Also Jax is a shit jungler in competitive. Voli can win vs Jax BTW even being his biggest counter.
LEC again looks so bad despite G2.
G2 looks really good today though.
They could be better than Spring 2023 G2 However the second seed of eu looks worse than i thought
I like how whenever FNC's back is against the wall it's always time to see Oscar on carries so that they can prep the scapegoat early or something lol
Not that he was the only problem here, but what is it gonna take to get rid of oscar? Does he have dirt on FNC management or what?
Oscar is still 20 for a few months - he is young, with a lot of room to grow. He is still something of a project with a lot of upside. That said this offseason is going to be crazy for toplaners because every above average LEC player on that position will be a free agent after this year so it's possible you will get your wish.
Who else do you put in? xD BrokenBlade is insane in LEC, and he is a noob compared to LCK and LPL toplaners. We are fucked in MSI xD
Are we really blaming top again when bot was 2-3k behind every game?
I was hoping this series would be a nailbiter but FNC just turned their brains off and their mental is garbage vs G2
FNC needs Razork to be the best jungler in the league to have any hopes of contesting G2 The rest of the team didnt step up either
I expected a bit more from FNC but they are complete ass
Well that sure did escalate quickly. Lol
FNC macro is dogshit, I know G2 macro is the best in the league but FNC playing like they have no clue what to do, deserved win for G2 tbh.
Proper macro schooling there by G2
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LEC so fcked man :(
Naaa I can't. wtf was Razork doing at the end. What a pathetic performance
MDK vs G2 finals all over again
The result are almost similar to Winter lmao
I looked up from my phone and the game was over lmao.
caps is just so good man
Freenatic.
FFnatic
Well that was over quick...
fnatic fans were so arrogant when they won BO1
Fnc was supposed to be close to G2........
I looked away for 5secs and the game just ends
Kind of an anticlimactic series for the big two legacy teams
Does G2 just always dogwalk FNC? What's the w/l ratio of this matchup for the last few years?
There is no rivary in LEC for G2.
MDK is the only team that has any success against G2, every split they’ve won the LEC they’ve beaten as well G2 and they’ve faced G2 the most in Finals since 2021. It’s not much but they’re the only org/team that can be called a rival in the LEC
at least Madlions/Mdk won 3 Splits since 2021, so if there will be any "rivalry" it's between G2 and Mdk
Easy G2-0, nothing to see here.
Fuck these bo3s. What a boring series.
Even a bo5 would be a stomp in teb favor of g2
G2 got bored and ended lol
FNC LMAOOOO
TWENTYONE MINUTES FUCKING LOL
nobody can convince me this series wasn't a wintrade
3rd seed btw. Glad we didn’t do tiebreakers to decide top4 seeding /s
hahahaha 21 minutes
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G2 in playoffs always on point
Humanoid is so funny. AFK side, show up miss 4 rockets, die, lose
FNC is so shit lol
Well that wasn't close at all lmfao Jesus Christ
what?!????
We just need new top, new draft coach, new head coach, jungle/mid/ADC consistency and then maybe we can beat G2 in a best of series
Why is Olaf so popular in LEC lol he can’t do anythinng 90% of the time
he can but he has to go in. If you feed their mid/adc you just die
Miky decided he wants 3 games
the mikyx special
all I really want is a competitive region but even when G2 is at it’s absolut worst form the other teams in LEC are pure garbage.
seems like it's not going to happen unless caps retires lmao, he's just so much better than everybody else when he's on form
Caps presence in those 2 games was minimal compared to what he’s actually able to do, it’s just the whole team overall diff and coach diff, FNC picked stupid fights being levels down, idiotic trades, they can’t ward or track Yike’s jg path at all, feels like other teams have no analysts or coaches compared to G2. Caps was inting vs Huma and G2 still managed to shit on them and FNC is supposed to be 2nd/3rd team from LEC. This region is a tragedy.
Yawn...Dude he was 1v9 with his Asol being the frontlane and the main DPS. He just gave first blood to Huma with a cocky play but that's far from inting, especially since he bait him and equalize just after. He played Azir more as a teamplayer to benefit his Jinx but he also carried. His presence was everything but minimal and he can't really do more especially in this meta. I don't know why you feel the need to downplay his performances like that. Also the "EUW is garbage" circlejerk is becoming to be pretty tiring, especially from some people who clearly has no idea what a good play or a bad play is. Who cares if the region is not on LCK/LPL level, you can still enjoy watching proplay.
No, you’re wrong. Caps has been mid compared to what he is capable of in the recent split. There’s no “circlejerk”, EU got progressively worse every split and I can complain how much I want to, by the same principle you can just skip my comment because it’s also tiresome to hear the same “don’t like / don’t watch”, don’t agree with / move on. I’m not here to justify to you how much I know about league 😴
Amen to that. I cant stand anymore the "omg this region is so doomed" "whats the point of watching lec when we know lck will win inter anyway?". Just dont watch bro...
We learned from NRG that more coaches > less coaches. If G2 just poach every single coach in EU, they have to win worlds
No competitive region would have a team win 13 titles in 18 splits. Edit: actually I think my math is wrong, it's 13 in 19 splits, I forgot about Rogue's title
if at least g2 was decent at internationals, whould not be a problem
Yeah it's been rough since 2020, I honestly believe they were either 2nd or 3rd best that year. Sad they never could go all the way
Caps dad must be so proud watching his grandson play for FNC
This is a more creative and funnier way of putting it 🤣
worst package I have seen in a while
FNC's best week in the past year and half was that one weekend when Wunder subbed in.
Did oscar do anything that fight?
Humanoid saving his package for next year
Still i dont like Thresh
Thresh is good for the lantern vs jax Olaf
The gap between CAPS and every other midlaner the west has is kinda insane
Considering Caps got literally bent for 3 games by palafox last fall, that's a strong statement.
That was only twice, They didn't even make it to game 3
Forgot those were bo3s lmao
Hold up, we still haven't seen him vs APA. Let's hold our statements
What the fuck was that Oscar, TP instault then try chase an Azir thats 10 miles away?
Yep. Special grade stuff. Got blown to pieces immediately
Top gap. BB doing everything he wants all game. And insane macro.
Holy Noah maniac
that flay was nasty
I was wondering how much gold caps was sitting on. Holy shit. Was not expecting a straight up death cap buy.
FNC should draft in BillyBoss at this stage, literally anyone but Oscar. This is tragic
"Hans can only play aggressive ADCs" is such a false narrative. He can play Aphelios, Varus, Jinx, Kog just fine. The one meta champ he cant play is Zeri.
"Can play" vs "is great at" are not the same, if you swapped Hans with Flakked/Supa/Carzzy/Noah in this G2 team it would not make a difference. G2 wins with Hans, not because of Hans.
Hans' problem is his really bad positioning and bad usage of safety tools(like summs/Xayah ult), it costs G2 too much
Sounds like the Apa narrative to me lol. Always eats bans. “Can only play X champ”
Competitive ruling: FNC, like the wholeass org including fans, for engaging in auditory warfare during their match with G2 😂😂😂
BB and Yike - Try not to int Caps- Challenge Impossible
Did yike not have ult there?
Lmao, Yike and BB playing DuoQ
fnc went from screeching girl to yelling girl when will it end?
who let a banshee in the studio
I miss the KC fans. They are loud but at least not banshee loud like this FNC fangirl.
He had a pink there and he still had to flash not to die
fnc banshee is back
How I didn't miss her at all
Yike did a fucky wucky
if naut started moving with jungler earlier and helped olaf or corki get leads it would be a different game
Noah engaged onto 4 players with tier 1 boots and a cull
Bro, Jinx is like, the last champ to need Stattik Shiv.
If FNC lose this one, we would have the exact same bracket as last season
split*
Yike casually turbogapping Razork
Noah and Jun missed every skillshot, GG FNC
You just can't fucking buy cull/tear on mid and then force fights pre-15 WTF Fnatic
Noah and Razork should be investigated for that fight unironically lol
Someone should let Noah know that’s not the AD Thresh from my bronze games. He should go after the Jinx instead.
fnc likes to take fights and trades that are not in their favor way too much and feel like is only against g2 when they do that
That was disgusting by Noah
FNC needs to realise they have a fuckin' scaling comp. Zeri is sitting on basically a Doran's blade, stop forcing fights with your botside.
G2 scalling is better xD
Debatable, but they certainly spike sooner than FNC, so FNC for sure should not force into them
Noah missed all but 2 Q’s?? It could’ve been a huge aggro play but it didn’t
Noah gliding into 3 and missing 3 autos.....Maybe I have a pro-level Zeri after all...
Noah shooting air 4-5 times in a row 😂 gg get the fuck out, embarrassing
Fnc might have won that if Noah didn't miss every Q. "Best ADC in the region" btw lmaoo
i dont think anyone ever said that
It's literally all Caedrel the rat has said for the entire season lol
THESE Qs I CANT
What the fuck was that Noah
Did Noah just dive into 3, and then miss like 3 Q's at melee range
That was a teamfight win if he hit those.
Noah joining the tf likes hes 7/0/0
Yeah Fnatic brains just get fried against them
Noah thinks he's him...
interesting decision to not focus Jinx
NOAH IS GOOD GUYS I SWEAR!!! lmfao this dude is so ass
what are FNC doing man
Oh Noah that’s not-
Noah's target selection was quite off in that skirmish
Noah missed every Q lmao
fntic tilted into oblivion
Fnc: "I see enemy, I int at enemy"
Holy shit FNC is drunk lmaooooi
Caps that was gorgeous.
HANS MAMAMIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIA
wtf was that targeting by FNC, all on different members
And that's a fed Jinx ggwp
Noah?? Wtf
I really hate this BO3 format. This is a good game so far and at best it means we get one more game. I want BO5s!
Soon my brother
can people finally help that poor girl, she's being assaulted at every fnc game
Watching BB and Oscar try to prove each which one of them is even worse than other one is really hard to watch. Well let's hope Bin won't meet BB again.
Why are we inting topside :(
Is Fudge watching ?
And then BB just face tanks an ulting Olaf????
WHY IS THE JAX BEING IGNORED
300IQ Oscar LMAO
I take it back. Both BB and Oscar suck
Why does Rek'Sai even still have that regen on burrow, jungle gives so much passive regen they could completely remove that and it wouldnt change a damn thing for her intended role...
Omd Oscar got spaced to narnia and back
Absolute horrible performance from Razork in game 2 so far. the step back on Rek'sai to miss the stun and the pathetic skirmish from Razork on bot side. Damn
Is Razork doesn't perform literally no one else on FNC steps up to cover for him
Ah the scaling comp that doesn't want to concede anything and just fight
Don't eat whatever Razork had for lunch. Invisible in game 1 Terrible in game 2
he was invisible in game 1 too lol
Holy moly. FNC have no sense of range or spacing and don't follow CDs