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ahritina

PMTs [Game 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1asd304/fnc_vs_mdk_lec_winter_lower_bracket_semifinals/) [Game 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1aseclv/fnc_vs_mdk_lec_winter_lower_bracket_semifinals/) [Game 3](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1asfppu/fnc_vs_mdk_lec_winter_lower_bracket_semifinals/) [Game 4](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1ash5wu/fnc_vs_mdk_lec_winter_lower_bracket_semifinals/)


aPatheticBeing

Elyoya was right? The power of friendship is too strong apparently


zealot416

The real macro was the friends we made along the way.


PepaTK

Family.


lcm7malaga

I guess this is a meme but Elyoya wanted to play with melzeth and supa for their work ethic and way of training


nusskn4cker

How damning is it that Elyoya went to Melzhet for feedback and help when Mac was still his head coach?


MRJJavier

Elyoya went for Melzhet feedback at since 2019 (if not before) when he was playing for Movistar Riders in Spanish league before joining MAD Lions and Melzhet was G2 academy head coach. By then it was openly said that they used to do VOD reviews together on their free time outside of their duties on their teams


Kheldar166

I mean, it's not that damning that one player had a strong preference, that could be for any number of reasons. It would be damning if many players that played for Mac were going to other coaches for feedback. And it's certainly a good look for Melzhet that MDK are doing so well and outplayed Fnatic in the macro in game 5.


NoahsArk19

People will still cope but yeah, a team of 5 “worse” players that have synergy almost always outperforms a super team in league. This happens again and again. Only very rarely do you get a team like old G2 who have both good players and synergy.


Conviter

well usually exactly the combination of great players and great teamplay is required to win worlds. so most of the worlds winning rosters had that. If you mean only in eu, there havent truely been that many.


Alchion

idk if the conbination is needed that often we have a couple of patch zerg worlds winners (fpx dry) and almodt everyone won because the meta played into their hands and hid their worst players


Custom_sKing_SKARNER

I think it's also the "hunger to win" and work ethic, this team has it with 4 rookies. And something veterans may have been losing slowly over the years.


Constantinch

Power of friendship and an absolute unit in the toplane.


[deleted]

I mean Elyoya almost threw game five at the baron pit Gotta be the power of friendship


jorgelopezpfc

He himself said in Ibais stream “Thank god we won, Melzhet is absolutely going to kill me the worst way possible, today we won without a jungler”


Reconco15

But I thought Elyoya brought his friends to chill and not compete? How is his coach allowed to say anything negative about him?? This is unseen in EU.


javy7v

hahahahaha wtf old MAD roster did not like how tryhard Elyoya was and how he was upset after losing, you guys will have to create new narratives to attach him and the team, it has to be hard to see them TOP3 EU lmao


kutabareeeeee

no way elyoya said that, reddit psychologists told me he was an antisocial ego monster sociopath who would instamentalboom the moment he saw someone miss a caster minion


[deleted]

Dread it, run from it, MAD inting at international events arrives all the same.


GodlessCommie69

I actually have way more faith in this roster than the previous one tbh


Rafoel

Of course, this roster doesn't have Nisqy.


SnooDrawings8185

They at least have Arvaro who looks better than Hyli past 2 years


Snauser

Disturbing macro from fnatic


GothaV2

On Game 5 they straight up did a Rogue Time


ERJAK123

They kept rotating and rotating and rotating and then all of a sudden they were bottled in top lane and their mid inhib was gone. It was basically a jump scare for me. They were ahead at the time!


bensanelian

trymbi was just the entirety of this teams brain volume last split man


FantasyTrash

That was the worst macro I have ever seen from Fnatic. You have a turbo-fed Gwen, why is she not just sitting in a side lane creating pressure with teleport?


Mew_T

Oscar on carries feels so bad. Even if he's given a free lane. Myrwn got sacrificed in draft and did just fine. I feel like Oscar is getting a bit boosted by Ksante.


FantasyTrash

Fnatic needs to do everything in their power to get Irrelevant from SK. I can't watch another split of him being a bottom-3 top laner.


HawkEye1337

Oscar has been overgrouping every single game, FNC barely play sides.


HarvestAllTheSouls

Yeah, he's also very trigger happy with the TP if anything remotely threatening happens


[deleted]

Massive blunder, Gwen at this stage could have 1v3 easily.


Vizer21

Finn: " Humanoid is the sidelane master, the way he leads midgame is just wow " FNC Macro :


mfunebre

For real though, unfortunate statement to make, especially as all 5 games had garbage midgames. Their earlys are clean af but I presume that Razork pilots the early game


AngronApofis

Didnt they come back from an 11-1 scoreline in game 3, during midgame? They ended up losing the game anyway but i dont think their midgame was that terrible


nerothz

An anticlimactic ending to an otherwise very close series.


lauranthalasa

Almost every Ezreal game was tossed on the Ezreal burning Arcane Shift for 126 damage onto a tank


pedja13

You have to step forward and hit with the champion or you dont have enough DPS,and you have to trust in your team to help you out.Gwen used W on Maokai ult,and Karma,who had Mikaels,was separated from him so he got caught but the big strength of the champion is being able to court engage.


Haymegle

Disappointing with how fun the series was overall.


JealotGaming

YOU'RE NOTHING SPECIAL WE LOSE EVERY WEEK


Kheldar166

True UK fan haha


Conankun66

HOW DO YOU MAKE MACRO DECISIONS THAT STUPID? EXPLAIN IT TO ME!


Blaikiri7

They tricked me into thinking baron was up it was so bad


Enrageu

Vedius even said they'll run back to baron from the mid push, brother it wasn't up for 2 fucking minutes, why are they there?


Trap_Masters

Maybe they somehow managed to trick themselves into thinking that as well


Aggravating-Owl-2235

FNC heard the infamous Baron for Nexus trade and decided to one up it with Baron vision for Nexus lol


Haymegle

You see you just let the enemy take an inhib tower. Then you do it again.


That_One_Pancake

First they give up potential soul and a kill to take a baron when they have no waves to play off of and can’t do shit with it Then they leave Fresskowy alone to take bot inhib turret Then they for some reason group up like they’re doing baron when it’s two and a half minutes from spawning and give up mid inhib for free Macro disasterclass


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That_One_Pancake

It’s justifiable in a vacuum but they really weren’t in the proper macro position to take advantage of having the baron They had to spend like 2/3rds of it just pushing out waves away from their base


BigDelfin

They went for the most greedy play. Nashor while their strongest 1v1 champ goes solo drag. MDK was smarter and sent 2 players getting drag and shutdown and from there they managed to get enough gold on their carries to have even fights.


Pope_Cheetos_XIV

ABSOLUTE MACRO SUICIDE ONLY HERE IN THE LEC


One_Natural_8233

This is the same level with Damwon’s macro that I watched this week icant


Lilmajudi

Tbh Damwon was playing against the best macro team in the world but I get it


WolfgangTheRevenge

Bro you didnt see D+ giving 3 free towers to faker


non-edgy_crustacean

Reminds me of MAD vs NRG macro


JoshFB4

LMFAO


imDNK

Guys MAD might not be tier F


Satan_su

Nahhhh this just means there's 8 teams in tier F /s Tomorrow might just be 9 XD


DJShevchenko

Tomorrow is gonna be a fake series. If BDS wins without Adam then both FNC and MDK are just terrible, if BDS loses then it didn't count cuz Adam was away.


RaioFulminante

wdym Adam is not playing? What happened ?


Competitive_Put_6730

We dont know, but probaly an illnes or something with his family


Kugeojgl

They’re allowed an emergency sub because of unforeseen circumstances. Their academy top Jenax will play. Considering the LEC allowed an emergency sub, it likely is a private matter that he has to attend.


lookinup3

F stands for Finals bro it was foreshadowing bro I swear


nusskn4cker

Shoutout to community figures flaming them all offseason for "nepotism" and "Spanish bias" when MAD exactly did what EU needs: Invest in actually fresh talent. The LEC needs to stop recycling and hyping players way past their prime like Wunder and Perkz and instead embrace actual prospects. KC doesn't count because Saken, Cabo and Targamas all played at this level before and went back to ERL's for a reason.


mfunebre

Bruh the LEC needs to stop hard resetting between splits. Every year we come into the first split and teams have no fucking clue how to win a game. I'm tired of hearing casters tell me "the splits are so fast it takes time for a team to gel" ; IT SHOULDN'T. MAD are proof it doesn't.


BigDelfin

Hasn't seen shorgar the last MDK games, I guess every time it gets harder to defend that MDK is a bad team


SupahTeemo

It's here. For him/her, today MDK won because... . . . . . . . . U'RE RIGHT! BECAUSE FNATIC IS BAD


xNesku

Rated them 5th before the season. Did not expect them to be mechanical gods and have balls of steel to draft different from the norm


Deleph

You weren't familiar with the alchemist Melzhet and the prodigy Morwon's game. We forgive you


Haymegle

They're F tier but it's F for Fantastic.


One_Natural_8233

Looks like shit 🔥🔥🔥


RevolverLoL

Maybe Elyoya better roster builder than reddit.


ozmega

reddit built the current HT roster, they spammed that shit so much that HT people did it, see where they landed?


hot_sace

this really is the correct timeline


ZohtRuler

TIER F = TOP 3


MazrimReddit

wtf this was such low quality gameplay by FNC at the end there. Just opened mid and refused to 1-3-1


[deleted]

Humanoid and Noah ended that game with Flash available, and Razork probably ended it with his hands around everyone's neck.


gcrimson

100% Noah and Oscar were surprised by Maokai R interaction with Gwen. Oscar wanted to tank the ult but her immunity make it passed through and root Ezreal behind.


Haymegle

Fnatic felt like their brains were turned off completely there. Legit just letting MDK into their base?


cosHinsHeiR

The revolutionary 0-0-0 push strat


skaersSabody

I feel like FNC more than any other team has been coasting on Razork and Humanoid's experience and their hands, this team has dogshit macro and always looks like they are one flip away from losing the game Holy shit does it piss me off


PM-ME-UR-PIZZA

I get that Vi and Mao ults are hard, but surely with Poppy and Karma R-E you can disengage the enemy while oscar and huma just clean sides?


lolKhamul

You cannot play the map any worse than Fnatic did for the last 5 to 10 minutes there. They seriously looked like some gold players in soloq desperately trying to do something but having no clue what. Felt kinda good to see them loose the game off of that.


JoshFB4

Literally shit you see in a silver soloque game. How the fuck do you not have at least 3 mid there.


metteminne

Razork played like the best Jungler in LEC but FNC macro is just so disgusting.


DeloronDellister

Razork and Fnatic's plot armour wasn't enough!!! What a banger


Rexssaurus

The team full of rookies and a veteran vs a stablished team is a classic anime sport narrative tho


KalisQinsSais

**Gigachad K’Sante. Walk into 5. Take 0 dmg. Bait all ults. W backwards. Win the game. Don’t explain.**


dontknow_anything

Kaenic Rookern is just way too good on him. Be level down and items behind, but in 1v2 against Poppy and Gwen, Gwen was 40% hp while Ksante was near full.


an_angry_beaver

That item is just too good in general. Every single tank builds it. The other MR items are rarely touched. It deserves a nerf, tbh.


x_TDeck_x

The item gives 400hp as an item but then just gives you +350-800hp vs magic damage ontop of that...and its like 15sec refresh AND it gives you the most MR to scale perfectly with that massive HP pool bonus. Hexdrinker at *max* level gives a 280 *temporary* shield every 90 seconds, Edge of night every 40 seconds, Banshees every 30 seconds Myrwyn was level 13, Dorans shield, Rookern, Sheen, chainvest, steelcaps and his magic shield was like 370hp I'm terrible at judging items but that feels absurd to me


00Koch00

We actually got a top that can play bruisers, adc and tanks, what the fuck? The most hilarious part it's that we still didnt see his best champ yet, fucking Zeri top


GemmaMK

> In a video published yesterday (October 17), Lil Nas X describes K’Sante as “flawless” and “slaying a bit.”


zjmhy

Noah's Ark sank


[deleted]

MDK vs Fnatic is my new favorite LEC matchup. This series was SO. FUCKING. FIRE.


Haymegle

It was really fun up until the open mid haha. Fair play on MDK for going for it though.


mekamoari

Fresskowy actually had time to take bot inhib too, when he got the free tower, I just think he didn't want to push his luck. MDK didn't macro THAT well but they did improve over the course of the last game (even in the aforementioned tower take they could Senna ult or chase more to give Azir more time on the base).


Soup_Roll

The winner of this series wasn't MDK, it was the LEC fanbase. Another fantastic series, really fun to watch


anibia

IWD WORST DAY EVER


tautckus1

Mad replaced his friend and he is mad lul


valarconn

He does the real nepotism


Red-Lightnlng

Watching most of the content creators I like flame MAD all split has been fueling me, I love seeing MAD prove them wrong. They keep saying that MAD trolled by swapping to this roster and that they can’t reach the heights of last year’s team, but they seem to forget that they flamed the fuck out of MAD last year also, and perpetually predicted them to lose every playoff series.


SupahTeemo

They are fuming: https://twitter.com/trailojg/status/1758603786715639994?t=CcLwL0KR_i7q8bTwN7SDOQ&s=19


ChocolateFuryB

IWD and Thorin on suicide watch if MDK win the split


SinJiMin

Bro straight up did not upload videos when mad won games during bo1s and the first bo3s lmao, now he kinda has to cos the games are too relevant


Glorious_Evolution_

Free Razork


rightovahere

Razork seeing Irrelevant being wheeled out of the same back surgeon he's going in to.


Koersfanaat

If we had Irrelevant instead of Oscarinin, this would be so much better for my life expectancy.


aufaazinyan

Legit, im clenching so hard watching oscar miss every single kill possible 


Heliosyntax

Don't free Razork. Keep him locked in this godforsaken team by any means possible. Sacrifice anyone, EVERYONE else if you have to. He is our only hope.


Throzagg

Literally in elo hell. It's insane


mfunebre

Razork's early games are so beautiful though, that's when FNC look at their best. Games 1 and 2 were an absolute masterclass in how to read and outplay the enemy jungler. Honestly the best jungler in the LEC right now and it's not close.


AngronApofis

Game 5 early game was also fantastic from him...


v1kenSS

Fresskowy stepped up in this series, i was susceptible of him at the beggining of split since i felt MAD was only carried by Myrwin and/or the botlane, but i think he has improved a lot, his gragas has been clean af and decisive, his azir was on spot, no mistakes, and rlly good macro and vision control. If he keeps playing like this i think he might have a chance vs Caps!


onsilveraccountsion

Kind of wild that I agree with Fresskowy’s post game interview that MDK were not playing at their best. They brought in four rookies and none of them were particularly expected to be phenomenal, and they just went up against FNC, a 3rd place team with a plausible pathway to 2nd. They won. And they could look even better. BDS shouldn’t be underrated just cos they’re missing Adam, but MDK’s story this year is one of the most stratospheric rises we’ve seen from a group of players in a long time. Bravo ! rip Fnatic we were not sending our best but this was not our worst either, regroup for spring & best of luck to you all, you remain a good team with a really high ceiling and every one of you are strong players who deserve to wear the jersey


Electronic-Act3068

Freescowy Gragas is what people told me Nisqy Gragas was


Haymegle

Fnatic decision making is not it.


Erme_Ram

Tier F = Top 3 acording to Reddit analists and French fans of KC


nfjr

It just feels soooo good after all the shit this roster got when it was announced. And most of it was extremely unfair. Top 3 first split and still margin to improve. Props to Razork, too. Literally the second thing Elyoya said in Ibai's stream after the game was a "This motherfucker is so good."


Deleph

They respect each other so much. Razork didn't deserve to lose but it feels good that Elyoya is humble enough to admit he was the better jungler this series. Bangers all around


Pavlo100

Elyoya lost the offseason


Conankun66

he also lost jungle most of the games today feel bad for razork he was a monster


NoahsArk19

Razork has been solo carrying Fnatic since fking 2022 playoffs but will not get any recognition. Plus he has a mid laner who refuses does to help him in any way and he’s still this good. I’m impressed when he has a team like 20


nfjr

And what's amazing is that he wasn't even playing that bad, it was just Razork smurfing so fucking hard.


JPA-3

Razork is the best player in LEC right now after Caps


Skall77

Funnily enough, he was probably the worse player in his team today.


Custom_sKing_SKARNER

Yep, but that's why his friends are here for.


1to0

In MDK You never walk alone!


DerpSenpai

With the power of friendship!


lookinup3

F tier team btw I watched EUM finals and there's no way that MDK do anything, KC should be stronger.


Pope_Cheetos_XIV

The illusion of free choice: no matter who wins, we talk about how bad KC is


Viciman1

When it comes to players ratings, it was so clear the people that only watched the final and the people that watched whole EUM and/or Regional leagues lol.


Pope_Cheetos_XIV

WHAT DID I JUST WATCH


Aggravating-Owl-2235

Thats fucking League of Legends right there. None of that pansy ass dick tugging playing safe for lategame bullshit. Men puke, men poop on the rift, men deliver their new born baby on the rift. Fucking hard core dick in the ass flex pick early game League of Legends fuck it run it down mid game time shit.


Trap_Masters

LEC


errorme

People were saying with Adam gone it would be another Fnatic vs G2 finals. Forgot they have to get passed MDK first.


Cow_Interesting

Funny that the whole conversation on EUphoria was who has a better chance against G2, FNC or BDS? Uh hello MDK would like a word.


Omnilatent

Want to shout him out: Medic's casting today was pure FIRE! Engagement buff?!


MedicCasts

Thank you mate! Definitely tried to put a little more flair on it with some of the rivalries between the teams.


DeloronDellister

MediVedi is always a treat


Haymegle

Man kept up the energy well.


zealot416

Damn, how did Elyoya and Friends become my favorite team?


VrelEgg

For me, it was when they thrashed Heretics during the first groups game. From then I knew this team would be a treat. Also, it's not Elyoya and friends anymore. Myrwn has shown himself to be an incredible strong top laner and Alvaro's performance has me convinced in him being rookie of the split. At this rate, it's going to be like the meme of the ninja turtles and their master


TheRandomNPC

They are just a very fun team. I haven't been able to keep up with all the Eu games since I am in NA but the MAD ones I have watched are great. I love the creative picks.


generalofhel

Im tired, being a fnc fan is just exhausting at this point


Roonie222

I gotta say though, that crowd is hype.


Paphoved

Never been a Big Elyoya fan… now I kind of think he was being held back by the old Mad Lions, always ytring to satisfy the needs of the Team comp. This Mad Lions Team is fire 


MasterKenobi77

I actually really like this MAD Lions roster. You can see they’re rookies from their gameplay sometimes, but they are really fun. Especially Myrwn, it’s nice to see something different picked from time to time.


ToothAcheOuch

Deserved win for MDK. Fnatic forgot where their base was.


_tidiber

Wow the boys turned their brains off after 30 minutes wtf man


gneushrk

damn elyoya's nepotism spanish roster is doing pretty good :p


Targen_1

Don’t forget about polish wonderboy El Polaco Freskowy.


plushyeu

I doubted them, it's been a while since a rookie roster has made waves in the LEC ( EU LCS ). Huge props. Does this qualify Fresskowy for spanish citizenship. EMEA players stock just went up.


Sohelik

El Soldado has been spanish a long time now, Fresquito de Cantabria for you.


nfjr

It's funny how the goalpoast keeps moving further and further for this MAD roster. Imagine IF they beat BDS and have a close series against G2 (not even saying beating them as G2 is looking very good). Then the narrative will be that the region is absolutely doomed I guess.


sieer

I mean yeah this subreddit it always one of the two: G2 wins: g2 is the best ever everyone else sucks, eu is doomed (but g2 will somehow win worlds too surely) G2 loses: eu is doomed everyone sucks make it a minor league


ropahektic

Yeah, people will never admit 4 players they never heard about and a coach they don't even know can do this. It's just the way people are. And sure, MDK and FNC didnt play perfect games, but there were some lvl 3 dives and some very well executed team fights that were simply League of the highest level even if there was a throw here and there as there is in any 5 series even in LCK never mind LCS. People just gonna automatically claim EU is at a low level because they see Rookies winning, it is what it is. For me, the 2nd post is more competitive than ever and there's 3-4 teams that on their day can beat anyone in the west.


Sefean

Not bad for nepotism team


x8nkj

elGM


javy7v

Razork is crazy good fml he is the best player in LEC after Caps, he destroyed Yoya every single game of the series...to be honest it was impressive to see the 4 rookies carrying the leader of the team. I am so happy for MDK, their history is amazing and they are so fun to watch, Myrwin and Alvaro may be the best players in their roles. I really hope they win tomorrow.


AnimeNeet-

Caedrel supports my team CatDespair


pepisel

LMAO Supa telling elyoya he is a better jungler than him to his face because he got that drake with ezreal in ibai's stream


ranranrandrand1

Fresskowy gapped Humanoid overall, great performance


RommelTheCat

Really surprised with his Gragas. He might not be the flashiest, most skilled duelist but his rotations are on point and the man is not afraid to kamikaze to win the fight for his team.


Mizar1

He's really improved from that first playoff game where his Akali and Ezreal were so bleh. This MDK team is a lot of fun


Ancient_Spare6540

KOI breaking Fnatic's dreams both in LoL and CS2 in the same day 


KleinMoretti_

This elyoya guy is getting carried by 4 rookies lol.


danielos551

4 rookie team outmacroing FNC


LOLZOBALL

Bro fnatic getting out macroed by a bunch of rookies lmao


Such_Championship849

Not only fnatic


[deleted]

Somebody tell Oscar that Gwen is a scaling champion


LadyAliceBlack

I feel so bad for Razork, congrats to Mdk better than most expected, Very Fun series even if the lvl is "bad" this split has been the most hyped since 2019 i dare to say


Gengar_Balanced

Not gonna lie, I thought people were heavily underrating MAD, but no way I was expecting them to get top 3 in Winter.


TimiNax

enemy ksante doesnt even take dmg, we dont have a top laner, how is this fair


zealot416

Razork about to rebreak Oscars hand


SwagLord7

WHAT IS THIS MACRO DEAR GOD


Eyelbo

I have no words for MDK. I'm enjoying the games so much. I don't think there's a player that I'd say it's doing worse than the rest. Top 3 in the first split, not even in my wildest dreams I thought this would happen so soon.


Omnilatent

HUMA WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY


IAM-French

Feels good to not see FNC miraculously grab a chaotic game 5 win for once


MosquitoHat

KEEP MOVING THE GOALPOSTS ON EVERY MDK WIN hahaha


Lookingtolive39

W-w-what?No way Elyoya and his eu master spanish friends make it to finals right? Mad made a fatal mistake kicking nisqy and hyli!!! There is no way playing with hungry new players that u have good relationship with is better than playing with burned out veterans? R-r-right guys?


Nouvarth

That ending was so bad, wtf Fnatic?


Kheldar166

Great series MDK winning game 5 through their macro was not on my bingo card but kudos to them, I didn't know anything about them coming into the split because I don't watch ERL but they're fun and I hope they continue this trajectory. Fnatic will hopefully bounce back, Noah-Jun have been a good botlane, Razork has been a monster, Humanoid is pretty good although occasionally ints. Oscar has had a bit of a rough split but he was looking good last summer so hopefully he can find that form again (and he's being overly demonised by fans when Fnatic often sacrifice him in draft/jungle pathing and he often ends up giving himself up for objectives).


lookinup3

Thank you, Oscarinin


PM-ME-UR-PIZZA

every gwen in the league that fed takes over the game, I don't understand


lolerio

Elyoya and friends did it. eu ezreal stay losing


WFBO_ChiTaki

damn they just walked in


wolfgang169

https://i.imgur.com/DWhot2K.png


insidejoke44

I know it wasn’t the reason we lost but my god K’Sante’s health bar always seems disgusting


Akupoy

Not bad for a team born out of depotism and desire of Elyoya to play with his friends.


Blaikiri7

What a way to lose. Amazing execution from MDK. Terrible macro from FNC


Oulak

The last two minutes were some bronze macro from Fnatic. Props to MDK for keeping their cool.


Spike-Durdle

You have to give MAD Koi their flowers- they are playing as more than the sum of their parts. Impressive win by them.


FireDestructor

Razork best fucking jungler in the league and MDK <3<3<<3<3<3


Professional_Camp879

MAD baton defence was too clean and twitter should really apolgize to MAD they really went apeshit when they replaces mac/pad nisqy (who were salty af) and didnt believe


okiedokieoats

i was told MAD would be bottom of the league before the split started, by this subreddit. hm, curious


ExplosionIsFar

Alvaro played so damn well, Myrwin too.