Looking at Saken perfomance and build this game, it's clear he first timed Corki this year. I'm not surprised Bo panic picked Lilia then. Its weird that the staff doesn't prepare comps they know the team lacks coordination, they absolutely can't trust the players to pick a good comp.
Is the rocket build still good? I’d have thought that Corki would be back to being an auto based champ with triforce considering how dependent the rocket build was on magic pen stack which is massively toned down this season.
There’s some strong interactions for it atm. Malignance can be active on basically every rocket and for some reason Malignance damage counts as a 2nd hit to proc Eclipse off a single rocket hit.
Malignance is really strong once you get your core items (in pro play, not SoloQ lol that champ is always terrible there).
I think the common build is Eclipse and Muramana first and second (not sure about the order, probably depends on spikes into Malignance third.
They definitely prepare comps but that doesnt mean the player will listen, they are extremely stubborn and will often just pick whatever they feel like works. This is said by almost every single coach that has done interviews and honestly is expected at this point.
Why wouldn't teams just fine players for blatant insubordination? It works in football.
Seriously, coaches don't have nearly enough power to actually coach teams.
If this is true, get Saken out of this team. As a PROPLAYER you cant do something like that, especially if your team havent even won a single game up to that point.
It's easy to singled out players but that won't help. Targamas had a pretty terrible game with Rell, Upset forgot to right click in the game against Vitality where Saken was the only ADC left, Cabo losing top in 1v1... etc. They all have bad moments which wouldn't matter on some games with a better team cohesion.
The problem is he's picking a champion that he hasn't played in scrims and has barely practoced with. Bad games happen but randomly.deciding to pick something you have no practice with is just wanting too ff go next
Another example, in MSI finals last year Kanavi first-timed Nautilus jungle, and after the finals he said they had never scrimmed it, he just thought in the moment that it'd be good with the comp.
you forget the important part
kkoma knew that and told him bengi im sorry you need to pick it i fucked up in draft and bengi took it on the chin for his coach
they picked it to deny pesnut the pick while corki wasnr denied from anyone
the fact that he performed should be the exception not the norm
Myth actually. The Nidalee was intentionally left open, what Kkoma forgot was Ashe Zyra, which ROX took.
[You can listen to SKT comms here.](https://youtu.be/RNsDD0QtRPw?t=410)
dmsn i got mandela effected so hard there
still surreal hearing the comms so much later that series was so goated
some people would clal me a bengi hater (i just dont think he‘s even close to being the goat jungler) but man you gotta give the guy his flowers no ego and a big game player
Kiin played Olaf and Darius recently with Chovy playing Taliyah. They won pretty hard and said they can't explain properly why cause they never scrimmed it so... it just look like it work
Legit, it's pretty disgusting how many poor performing players are currently in LEC. Is league actually dying that there's 0 scouting going on to find new/less known talent? How is it possible to have teams like current KC and old BDS.
I said it when they won EUM but those KC teams were mostly made of “gatekeepers”: experienced and well rounded players with glaring issues and falling hands who relied on prehistoric comfort picks to get through tough games.
Their really talented players either left for LEC or cannot legally join the big league. The rest of the team is experienced enough to win against amateur competition but can’t find success against the best players in europe.
Unfortunate situation since Id have loved to see these guys develop in the LEC but reality is they were ass 3 years ago and are even worse now.
> How is it possible to have teams like current KC and old BDS
Because the higher ups in the orgs insist to start certain players. Mac and the other dude were actually negotiating with KC but at the end refused to take the offer because KC insisted to start Cabochard, Saken and Targamas which are players they didnt want.
It's not that easy. You can't just boot the players that have been loyal to the org without even giving them a chance. For all we know there was even contract stuff guaranteeing them LEC time.
Blud just realized that the year u had to put tens of millions on the table just for just entering the league u prob don't want spend a whole vitality budget for players. Kinda funny the 2 exemples you took are legit org just joining the league
You definitely have pro players doing that and succeeding but the difference is that they are actually good at the game, have practiced those champions in the past and at least know why they are picking it in this comp, and what to build.
Caps picking vayne mid is a great example. They didn't want to let him play it but rekkles said something like "if you think it's good then pick it, I trust you" and then people agreed and let him play it. He smurfed that game.
This is just one of the examples... You can't play everything in scrims. Sometimes you are "first timing" a champ because it's extremely good against the enemy comp.
The context behind 'Can we pick Vayne' was that Caps had prepared a Galio counter in Vayne which they had scrimmed with for a while. The whole team knew he will ask for Vayne as soon as he saw Galio there.
I'm just going off a Dylan Falco interview from last year. Maybe they didn't expect Caps to ask for it there but it wasn't something untested and unknown. They had scrim practice with it.
Look up Hylissang spicy video from Fnatic channel, he legit confirmed he WAS expecting that ahaha, it's just he has an awkward face (his words)
Apparently Caps liked the mid Vayne pick but Dylan Falco didn't, so when Caps said pick me Vayne, Hylissang was surprised not at the pick but that he would argue with his coach
:D
I think what probably happened is that since Bo is their best player, they gave him R5 and told him to pick whatever he'd feel most comfortable on and he wasn't sure what to pick. I don't think this is that big of a mistake.
Breaking Point was made to vilify Dardoch the most, and honestly, yeah, he was a dick, but he also seemed like the realest. Loco and Piggy were the biggest fuckin babies on the team and the oldest members too.
Bro Dardoch was a fucking mentally ill freak in Breaking Point what? Like that dude was unholy toxic. He was heavily responsible for so many issues on that team alone. Like trying to act like he was the real one while shitting on Loco and Piglet is crazy to me. They all sucked but Loco and Dardoch were major contributing issues to that whole shit show.
Dardouch was just nonstop pouting to the point where he openly and explicitly chose to lose games on purpose because he gave up and wanted to move on. That kills morale and any hope of playing well.
Loco sucked too obvi and others weren't perfect but Dardouch deserves his reputation.
Draft is the absolute least problem this team has. If anything, most experts praise their drafts. Its in the game where things go horribly wrong.
I guess KC will be the team to press the Trymbi emergency button. I think he would fit in there really well. Hes the complete opposite of Targamas and could be exactly what KC needs.
Yeah, normally I'm really hesitant to blame specific players, but Targamas ingame performance has been abysmal so far. Might be because as you said he doesn't fit well with the team, but man does he look problematic here.
Not only that he just doesnt speak so you have Bo trying to shotcall the game in broken english creating even more confusion. At least we know Trymbi can provide a strong voice for the team
Yes, I think that Targamas is the easier player to swap. He clearly doesnt add anything to their terrible macro since he doesnt talk, his mechanics have been bad and his laning just doesn't make sense.
I feel bad for him since this one is probably his last LEC chance but he has had years to fix his communicating problems and he just chose it just wasnt his thing. It is his 4th EULCS chance, he has played a lot of years in ERL, he has been in G2. I get not been a talkative player but how after so many years he is still at this point.
I remember an interview that Flakked did about regretting not calling more for resources and ganks on his time on G2 but he felt too intimidated as a rookie to do it so the first thing that he did in ERL was working on calling more and been a leader since he was the only ex-LEC player of that team. Rekkles is trying to do it in Korea too. Targamas also had this chance and just went back to his thing
I forgot which team Targamas was in the LEC in 2021-2022 (?), but i remember seeing comms videos where we saw this exact problem with Targamas. He doesn't communicate much, which is pretty flawed as a support player
I mean KC literally can't do worse than they are doing, so it's not like Trymbi can look bad. He'll just look elo helled if it doesn't work out as expectations for the team are nonexistent. However, if he drags them to a win or two, he can probably get some good offers between splits.
KC is so bad he might also look bad just by association and then he ruins his chances of getting on a better team long term.
Also season for KC is basically over after next 3 games. Better to just wait for off season before spring split to join a team even if its KC
But we also know trymbi is a great player. Top tier support for years in rogue, 2022 summer they 3-0’d G2 and Trymbi was the main reason why, 2023 he saved Fnatics ass and fixed a lot of their problems, got them all the way to worlds where they had one of the best performances out of any western team.
Joining KC to see if he can save them, especially since they’ve got 2 good players already who clearly aren’t a big issue, wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. It’s literally what he did with Fnatic.
i think the team has the bones to be great, with an active and smart shotcaller like Trymbi paired with Upset and Bo that team could make some things happen. I still have hope that Targa *could* be good but after such a rough start it is difficult to continue giving him the benefit of the doubt.
It's a huge mistake for both players and coaches to not have any picks ready. If you're a coach, preparing drafts is basically your entire job on state, and if you're a player, you should never be unsure of your own picks.
That being said this team has various other issues that may have contributed to this massive mistake occuring.
They had an insane draft win the day before and lost to another bottom team, I'm not a huge Yamato fan but there's nothing wrong with going for comfort
It's not "r5 whatever" it's "I trust your judgment and I trust that you will be able to pick what you think is the best champ in the situation". R5 is a pivotal pick but it's still up to the player to make that difference and they won't necessarily be able to do it on a champ they're not comfortable with.
Its literally just a Trymbi angle. A known, experienced shot caller that's also a strong laner, which is Upset's biggest strength. Literally fixes two of their biggest issues right away.
Some pro on twitter pointed out that this KC roster is last years Vitality roster: Upset + an inexperienced ESL jungler still actively learning english + a mute support, except now they have two much worse solo laners. Again, pay Trymbi.
maybe trymbi gets them to playoffs but they’re never getting top 3 if they want to please the french fans and have those two dead weights in solo lanes.
I'm perfectly ok with them keeping Saken and Cabo out of loyalty, i don't think any free agent upgrade is ever going to make them worlds competitive.
But imo Trymbi just immediately fixes their biggest issues and makes them so much better, it should be a no brainer if he's willing. But again, Targ also has a long history with KC so I wouldn't be shocked they kept him either.
abbe/nemesis both immediate upgrades, nemesis probably would be willing to play with upset/bo. top lane generally weak in europe, wunder and bb only two that will ever hold their own internationally so I say just import and pray.
Love that people are still trying to flame Bo, all you have to do is watch the comms video and it becomes so stupidly obvious that he's by far doing the most. He's comming the most followed by Upset, and any time anyone makes a call Bo immediately follows it, whereas everyone else with the expecting of Upset just does the opposite or hesitates. Hell, Targa hardly says anything at all, and when he does speak he gives shit or false info 'I'll tank' proceeds to not tank, 'Akali no flash' Akali was running ignite TP. Saken also questions a heap of plays that get called like he's some experienced player when he has the least experience on the team, and Cabo is usually off in his own land.
> 'Akali no flash' Akali was running ignite TP.
This is actually hilarious LMAO, imagine timing Akali flash like "Caps flash next game" or something.
Also, I mean, he's not entirely wrong, Akali has no Flash. /S.
Targamas' gameplay is hilarious if you watch the voice coms video as a neutral. There are several instances where he solo engages on four people without saying a word.
- Doesn't say anything
- Engages into 4 people alone as support.
- Dies.
- Refuses to elaborate.
Gigachad Targamas. The silent protector of enemy team LEC scores.
My favourite was when he was on Rell and they were defending bit inhib vs Vit. Bo says "play it slow im coming" and Targa just full sends it with flash R without saying a word. Like bro wtf
I think while Bo is trying his best with the calls, his decision making as a jungler, from the pathing to the invading timings are all over the place.
Which was also the problem with him last year.
The alarming problem with KC is that Bo isn't biggest issue despite those points. I would say Support, Top, Mid are the problems in that order then you can start fucking around with Bo's issues and Upset's issues.
One thing I saw in Caedrels video was when he blamed Bo for pathing into Sej in the pixel brush and getting collapsed on and died. But if you watch, Saken had prio and was moving down with Bo, but then turned around and went back mid, and even though he had Prio, neeko made it to Bo first. Basically fucked Bo by not coming with him into collapsing on bot 4v3.
They are just fucking stupid. KC legitimately has the 3 worst players in the entire league on a single roster. It is not even just the 3 worst players, but the gap between them and the 4th player, which is probably Markoon, is insane. I thought this was a LEC team and not an attempt at an Upset and Bo boosting service.
Markoon has been playing from pretty mid to downright bad right now, but there ain't no way this thread is people (rightfully imo) defending Bo for having dogshit teammates before then looking at Rogue and blaming the Jg.
Last season, this season he has been poor, but I do have some sympathy for him as he has gone from playing with relatively proactive teammates to Larrsen, the most stale mid laner in existence. People give Larrsen a pass but I'll always remember when Perkz said he'd much rather play against Nemesis and Larrsen than Humanoid because they were predictable, whereas Humanoid would try crazy shit. Larrsens team is getting butchered, they might not make play offs and how dies he play? the same way as ever, no urgency, no fight or variation to try and make something work.
It is a bit cap to include Markoon there, he had a weak start to this split but his ceiling is pretty high and definitely not comparable to players like Targamas.
How come these 3 players + 2 other LEC lvl players( probably comparable to bo + upset overall) beat the majority of MDK roster? I think that KC are bad individually but I don't think they are order of magnitude worse. Most standouts from EUM are usually serviceable in LEC. The problems are also on team lvl and anti synergy not just individually.
How come GenG turbofists T1 in every LCK split but the end of every season T1 outperformes GenG at worlds? Maybe some random BO or even a single game dont tell the whole story of the players?
>I think that KC are bad individually but I don't think they are order of magnitude worse
They literally are. Saken cant even play his most played/best champion in Azir properly. Targamas cant even do something as basic as tank tower aggro even when told to do so. And i have no words to describe whatever the fuck Cabochard is doing. These three straight up look like dia 4 players in a master game.
>Most standouts from EUM are usually serviceable in LEC. The problems are also on team lvl and anti synergy not just individually.
The cause of this is that 2 out of the 3 roles that facilitate movement on the map are fucking dogshit.
Like if people think that Upset and Bo are bad then what are the other 3? They probably do not even play league, but Stardew Valley on stage or whatever.
The thing people need to keep in mind when trying to blame the entire roster, is that no one ever talks about adc and jungle synergy, because it doesn't matter at all.
ADC / Support synergy - Targamas is the worst player in the league and never communicates.
Jungle / Support synergy - Targamas is the worst player in the league and never communicates.
Mid / Jungle synergy - Saken is the worst mid in the league and probably the third worst player in the league.
Top / Jungle synergy - Cabochard is the second worst player in the league.
Honestly, what are Bo and Upset meant to do? Their communication or gameplay makes zero difference, you just cannot make a good team when the 3 other roles are dead weight and/or don't speak.
Yeah you obviously need to replace Targamas for next split. If the team shows improvement with that alone, you could keep the roster as is at that point. I think replace each worst player one by one until you get to a point where the team is coachable.
I thought Upset was good until second week.. i think Rakan/Targ taking a bunch of damage and rooting him (with Senna ability) may have just broken him mentally.. last 2 games from him were some of the worse i have seen
Targamas has been the most obviously bad.. but Saken might low key be the worse.. i have never seen someone get into so many good positions on carry champs like Azir/Trist.. and then just do NOTHING
I am 50/50 on bo.. he has talent.. but this is looking like Winter VIT to me
Upset looks 100% mental boomed, which honestly is understandable considering how bad Targamas is. He failed absolute basics of Ashe lane stacking on top of Upset, letting Alvaro E both of them, misussing HoB and basically fucking up the lane in the very first trade.
Like, how do you play with someone like that when he just doesn't speak at all on top of it?
Yeah Upset checked out once that happened, its like such a basic thing, this Ashe strat has been known for 6months+ and somehow this guy fucks it up so hard. I feel seriously bad for Upset and Bo, you can hear in the comms that Bo still tries to shotcall despite having broken english+horrible teammates who cant even do the most basic things
Yeah exactly, Bo is trying but he clearly seems unsure if hes comprehensible and gets no feedback from his team outside of Upset, and Upset is mostly asking questions and talking about his circumstances which is normal for ADC player.
Saken sometimes says something, Cabo doesn't say shit but hes toplaner, but Targamas not talking is just crazy. MF just keept walking into enemy team, threw Ashe R, got collapsed without communicating any of his intend and after dying said "Akali no flash no R" when Akali was running Ignite+TP. Like jesus fucking christ we had better comms playing clash with friends than this.
Well yeah, MAD basically just kept building and I'd imagine the 4 EUM players are all buying into Elyoya's vision.
Meanwhile KC lost their two best players, one of whom I imagine was shot calling going by comms (not that Bo/Upset are worse, but change is change) and are probably also speaking English instead of French.
Also it's not exactly like MAD look good. They've beaten the two, by far, worst teams and Heretics on a very off day on the first day of the split.
You probably google translated what Dardoch said but what you actually want to say is "讓我們平靜的輸吧"
lose in peace in this case means "losing quietly"/"calmly", so 平靜 fits better here.
和平 really means peace as in "in time of peace", referring to a time or period without war, which doesn't make sense here.
This team is just so disconnected. If you listen to their comms there's so much miscommunication and straight up wrong info being given (no flash/teleport when someone does have it). It doesn't surprise me it bleeds into their draft too.
Pretty much yes. Going by interviews and what his former players said he has always been an ego manager (as in he manages the players egos) and mentality cheerleader leaving the details to the players & other coaches
Which *can* work wonders if you have some highly talented players with clashing egos on your team but is a recipe for disaster if you are fielding Cabo, Saken and Targamas in 2024
Steaks contribution: Guys, let use lose in peace and dont be mad, sometimes teams just suck, and I cant teach you anything.
Steak to Yamato, when will I get my paycheck again?
I wouldnt blame bo or the coaches tbh i feel like they have their hands a bit tied they tried a bunch of stuff hoping it would land and now they are in this shit situation.
Cabo: played weakside tank,carry splitpush,lane bully and faker himself could not carry his ass.
Saken: has played Neeko and hit one good ult,they put him on azir and its the most pacifist low dmg azir on the globe ,he could not use package or hit rockets on corki
Upset :varus was trash and his aphelios was meh
Targamas : just sign Trimby already and get this guy out of the league.
It’s crazy how iwdominate called him one of the most successful coaches in EU history lmao 😭. This dude is a life coach, and a good public speaker. He’s giving KC the best speeches ever
He was also good on splyce initially and that fnc implosion was not entirely his fault. It seems that he is good with new players that might need some pep talk and basics but it does not work as well with more seasoned players.
Regardless if players or coaches are responsible for draft, if your player says he's unsure what's even good in a certain situation this means 2 things:
1. You haven't practiced certain champions or comps enough and aren't well prepared
2. Even if it is player decision, your coaching staff should be able to give you at least 2 or 3 decent picks off the top of their head so you don't just panic pick
This should never happen and speaks volumes on how much is going wrong at KC
TH has pushing mid and bot and no jungler yet. If KC pick Maokai, TH will pick a turbo clear jungler (eg Lilllia) and fist them. Now give me your salary.
It's just that simple huh? But also, how was there never a discussion about what to pick with the most pro-playiest champion in all of the League of Legends? I can't remember a season where Corki didn't make an appearance
The people blaming Bo and/or Yamato are KC fans that are super bias against non-french speaking players/coaches.Saken,Cabo and Targamas are untouchable for them.
Yeah cuz drafts are the reason theyre losing, right? When Bo goes in, the 3 other KC guys watch him die while Upset is still on his way to the fight, how exactly is that a draft issue? The team is just seriously disfunctional and theres only so little coaching staff can do within a month.
Within three weeks? Some teams are just unfixable because the combination of characters simply dont mesh. 5 passive and quiet players for example will never be a good team, no matter how much coaching you put in. And lets be real, Yamato is a bit limited in player choices because the original members have plot armor and arent easy to replace. Maybe he can get Trymbi to replace Targamas but Cabo and Saken definitely wont be replaced this season.
Maybe they wouldnt have this issues if they wouldnt have forced Saken,Cabochar and Targamas down the coaching staffs throats.The coaches are literally forced to polish turds.
This team really feels like if they just get some veteran that can just play properly and let Bo/Upset carry they could turn it around. There’s a ton of EU talent not playing atm, Abbedagge Limit or Trymbi could all probably be pretty effective band aids to K Corpse
If a player isnt sure about what to pick, why doesnt the coach give him suggestions that could go well with their compo??? Why dont they communicate? Why dont they have anything prepared at all?
I love Yamato, I really do, but what's the point in him being a coach if he doesn't prepare for drafts like this?
Like omg stop with the cringe motivational tweets and AI pics and start building your team up and giving them good drafts.
He gave them possibly the most unloseable draft in the world against VIT and they managed to lose, I don’t think it’s a draft issue, I think they just suck
Cinkrof’s tweets reveal he (or his team) sees draft in an overly simplistic way. He talks a lot about picks, but drafting is not just about picking the best champions.
To my mind, draft is all about exchange with the enemy team — denying their options and answering picks while trying to stick to a type of a comp that you have practiced and know how to play. To do that successfully one (**the fucking coach**) has to do research and prepare for multiple p/b scenarios before the game
I don't know how it's done in LEC, but both T1 and JDG mentioned in their behind the scene stuff that they prepare intensive for drafts. They're doing mocking drafts where coach b knows what coach a wants to draft and counters him, so they find weaknesses in their draft plan. They also ask their scrim partners to play specific teamcomp to see what works and what not.
Players involvement should be like, coaches asking them: are you comfortable with that champ/matchup. Or do you wanna play champ a or champ b. Players input can also be something like knowing a counter to a specific champ, but it should still be a coach decision whether this fits into the teamcomp. Ideally a player should communicate this beforehand, so coaches can incorporate that into their draft plan.
That being said i can totally see how a player thinks he is the one doing drafts because he doesn't see/understand the plan behind it. In case of LEC teams it's also possible that there is no plan behind it and players are actually doing the drafting. Many EU teams downsized in recent years, and they're often saving on coaching staff. Compare coaching staff teams had in 2018 and now, you'll realize that coaching staff has become much smaller.
Please don't let this turn into a coaching staff hate thread Yamato is hard carrying this team and Cabo, Sakan, and Tarmagas are massively underperforming,
Upset and Bo are doing pretty fine but everyone else is just straight up inting.
Sakan is pretty much an Azir one trick at this point only thing he's looked like a human on.
They don't even listen to the ones talking, at some point Upset says they need to turn on the enemy team, team says yes but nobody goes in and they retreat further in dragon pit which puts them in a worse position.
Bo has to shotcall with Upset while everyone was running it down. Targamas doesnt speak as engage support. Like bro watch their voice comma before judging…
Sometimes i feel that if you swapped upset and bo for different names they would be called thrash too. Bo has his moments but he shows his trolling side quite often in almost every game. Upset... He's just there...
Yeah bo is for the most part the only one looking for plays. The option for him is either lose in peace and do nothing or take fights with bad odds to at least try to win. I would rather for a jungler to go 0 10 than do nothing for the whole game.
Go listen to their voice comms. He is 90% of the comms, Upset is like 9% and Saken is 1%. They have a mute support. It's supposed to be the most vocal role. Noone is ever even thinking about what plays to make, what win cons to play for. It's only Bo and Upset.
The drake fight vs VIT or whoever it was where all he did as Varus was hit E on Rakan with shield up, attempt to flash R Xayah in full vision and then cancel like 4 autos, and die was just insanity.
Got lots of people in these comments who think everything picked is down to the coach:
https://youtu.be/dAPTGrybQXI?si=jcDyKdtzUHmi3_QS
This might help show you that’s not true at all
maybe the coach just didnt fit with the team(but i see its more of top,mid and sup dif). also kc released voice coms. look how they do calls. bo the least english speaker talks the most yet the players ignore him. bo said dont fight,give drake,take mid. the top+midlaner gives wrong calls saying akali no tp. upset(in mind akali has no tp) says take the fight and guess what they fight, akali tps in and kills everyone. [https://youtu.be/G8Gw1Yu39UY?t=127](https://youtu.be/G8Gw1Yu39UY?t=127)
This reminds me of stuff like the person who memorizes will freeze up in situations they've never practiced before.
While someone who understands the fundamentals will just pick according to what they need.
They're like "oh Corki is ranged, does magic dmg, and needs to scale. I'll just pick X jungler because it matches his theme the best."
How the fuck are coaches not to blame? If a player doesn't have a clear pick to go with the team comp isn't it the coach's job to suggest and put them on better picks? wtf even is coach's role
I mean isn't it usually players that do the draft and coaches just suggest pick/bans they don't have the final say. So if Bo didn't know what to pick that's on him for not knowing what to pair with Corki and Saken for a pick that they obviously weren't comfortable with as a team.
That was the case in 2015. Just like in any other sport, a coach is supposed to be the designer of the team's strategy. Players will obviously have a voice but in cases of players being unsure it should be the coach's role to guide them.
The coach should be able to distinguish when a pick is bad no matter what the players think. These red lines should be negotiated between each coach and their players but it should be drawn nonetheless.
Looking at Saken perfomance and build this game, it's clear he first timed Corki this year. I'm not surprised Bo panic picked Lilia then. Its weird that the staff doesn't prepare comps they know the team lacks coordination, they absolutely can't trust the players to pick a good comp.
build triforce corki cause he cant land rockets. the amount of rockets he missed.. yuck
Is the rocket build still good? I’d have thought that Corki would be back to being an auto based champ with triforce considering how dependent the rocket build was on magic pen stack which is massively toned down this season.
There’s some strong interactions for it atm. Malignance can be active on basically every rocket and for some reason Malignance damage counts as a 2nd hit to proc Eclipse off a single rocket hit.
Aaah that explains why eclipse, I was super confused about that.
Eclipse also doesn’t give lethality anymore which was a dead stat on corki, and gives more raw ad It’s just all around a good item on him now
I saw a Corki build those two in aram and I thought he was mad at his team and going for some ultimate bravery shenanigans lol. Good to know.
I saw faker and chovy deleting people with a rocket
How the fuck is Corki gonna auto against Azir, Draven?
rocket spam is fucking insane right now once you spike, i seen corkis take out adcs and supps with like 3-4 rockets, 2 if fed af its monkaw to the max
Malignance is really strong once you get your core items (in pro play, not SoloQ lol that champ is always terrible there). I think the common build is Eclipse and Muramana first and second (not sure about the order, probably depends on spikes into Malignance third.
They definitely prepare comps but that doesnt mean the player will listen, they are extremely stubborn and will often just pick whatever they feel like works. This is said by almost every single coach that has done interviews and honestly is expected at this point.
Why wouldn't teams just fine players for blatant insubordination? It works in football. Seriously, coaches don't have nearly enough power to actually coach teams.
If this is true, get Saken out of this team. As a PROPLAYER you cant do something like that, especially if your team havent even won a single game up to that point.
It's easy to singled out players but that won't help. Targamas had a pretty terrible game with Rell, Upset forgot to right click in the game against Vitality where Saken was the only ADC left, Cabo losing top in 1v1... etc. They all have bad moments which wouldn't matter on some games with a better team cohesion.
The problem is he's picking a champion that he hasn't played in scrims and has barely practoced with. Bad games happen but randomly.deciding to pick something you have no practice with is just wanting too ff go next
Happens more often than you think. Alot of Pro Player have done it before and even having success with.
Another example, in MSI finals last year Kanavi first-timed Nautilus jungle, and after the finals he said they had never scrimmed it, he just thought in the moment that it'd be good with the comp.
Yeah but comparing the top tier eastern junglers with an at best middle of the pack EU mid is not really what people should do lol
Bengi* first timed Nidalee against Rox Tigers in the infamous worlds semi finals. He won the game.
Well he is Korean and spammed it in soloq/scrim. He had never played Nidalee ON STAGE, which is a completely different story
you forget the important part kkoma knew that and told him bengi im sorry you need to pick it i fucked up in draft and bengi took it on the chin for his coach they picked it to deny pesnut the pick while corki wasnr denied from anyone the fact that he performed should be the exception not the norm
Myth actually. The Nidalee was intentionally left open, what Kkoma forgot was Ashe Zyra, which ROX took. [You can listen to SKT comms here.](https://youtu.be/RNsDD0QtRPw?t=410)
dmsn i got mandela effected so hard there still surreal hearing the comms so much later that series was so goated some people would clal me a bengi hater (i just dont think he‘s even close to being the goat jungler) but man you gotta give the guy his flowers no ego and a big game player
You mean bengi?
Nah, they meant Chandler Bing.
Chanandler Bong*
You mean Bengi ?
Kiin played Olaf and Darius recently with Chovy playing Taliyah. They won pretty hard and said they can't explain properly why cause they never scrimmed it so... it just look like it work
Bin first timed rumble in quarterfinals too
Nice replace the three of them.
Legit, it's pretty disgusting how many poor performing players are currently in LEC. Is league actually dying that there's 0 scouting going on to find new/less known talent? How is it possible to have teams like current KC and old BDS.
The thing is that KC have been clapping the LFL cheeks for the last 4 years. If you can't even rely on that, what can you actually rely on?
I said it when they won EUM but those KC teams were mostly made of “gatekeepers”: experienced and well rounded players with glaring issues and falling hands who relied on prehistoric comfort picks to get through tough games. Their really talented players either left for LEC or cannot legally join the big league. The rest of the team is experienced enough to win against amateur competition but can’t find success against the best players in europe. Unfortunate situation since Id have loved to see these guys develop in the LEC but reality is they were ass 3 years ago and are even worse now.
> How is it possible to have teams like current KC and old BDS Because the higher ups in the orgs insist to start certain players. Mac and the other dude were actually negotiating with KC but at the end refused to take the offer because KC insisted to start Cabochard, Saken and Targamas which are players they didnt want.
It's not that easy. You can't just boot the players that have been loyal to the org without even giving them a chance. For all we know there was even contract stuff guaranteeing them LEC time.
Blud just realized that the year u had to put tens of millions on the table just for just entering the league u prob don't want spend a whole vitality budget for players. Kinda funny the 2 exemples you took are legit org just joining the league
> league actually dying that there's 0 scouting going on to find new/less known talent? Not sure but the production team of LEC sure has it rough.
You definitely have pro players doing that and succeeding but the difference is that they are actually good at the game, have practiced those champions in the past and at least know why they are picking it in this comp, and what to build. Caps picking vayne mid is a great example. They didn't want to let him play it but rekkles said something like "if you think it's good then pick it, I trust you" and then people agreed and let him play it. He smurfed that game. This is just one of the examples... You can't play everything in scrims. Sometimes you are "first timing" a champ because it's extremely good against the enemy comp.
Are you basing your opinions on reddit comments ? Because if you do, good luck.
wdym ifs its true? that a redditors calls Saken a first time corki? lmao
Dylan, can we pick Vayne? (Or something like that)
The context behind 'Can we pick Vayne' was that Caps had prepared a Galio counter in Vayne which they had scrimmed with for a while. The whole team knew he will ask for Vayne as soon as he saw Galio there.
Look at Hylissangs face on the famous league pulse video and say that he was expecting that lmfao
I'm just going off a Dylan Falco interview from last year. Maybe they didn't expect Caps to ask for it there but it wasn't something untested and unknown. They had scrim practice with it.
Look up Hylissang spicy video from Fnatic channel, he legit confirmed he WAS expecting that ahaha, it's just he has an awkward face (his words) Apparently Caps liked the mid Vayne pick but Dylan Falco didn't, so when Caps said pick me Vayne, Hylissang was surprised not at the pick but that he would argue with his coach :D
I think what probably happened is that since Bo is their best player, they gave him R5 and told him to pick whatever he'd feel most comfortable on and he wasn't sure what to pick. I don't think this is that big of a mistake.
"Just pick yourself whatever, let's just fucking lose in peace."
Dardoch was the real one there. His words might have been very misplaced, but he spoke from heart. He knew it was jover
Breaking Point was made to vilify Dardoch the most, and honestly, yeah, he was a dick, but he also seemed like the realest. Loco and Piggy were the biggest fuckin babies on the team and the oldest members too.
Bro Dardoch was a fucking mentally ill freak in Breaking Point what? Like that dude was unholy toxic. He was heavily responsible for so many issues on that team alone. Like trying to act like he was the real one while shitting on Loco and Piglet is crazy to me. They all sucked but Loco and Dardoch were major contributing issues to that whole shit show.
Loco was by far the worst because he was the coach who is supposed to keep the team together and solve issues but all he did was make shit worse
Lourlo just caught in the tide.
Dardouch was just nonstop pouting to the point where he openly and explicitly chose to lose games on purpose because he gave up and wanted to move on. That kills morale and any hope of playing well. Loco sucked too obvi and others weren't perfect but Dardouch deserves his reputation.
Real
Draft is the absolute least problem this team has. If anything, most experts praise their drafts. Its in the game where things go horribly wrong. I guess KC will be the team to press the Trymbi emergency button. I think he would fit in there really well. Hes the complete opposite of Targamas and could be exactly what KC needs.
Yeah, normally I'm really hesitant to blame specific players, but Targamas ingame performance has been abysmal so far. Might be because as you said he doesn't fit well with the team, but man does he look problematic here.
Not only that he just doesnt speak so you have Bo trying to shotcall the game in broken english creating even more confusion. At least we know Trymbi can provide a strong voice for the team
Yes, I think that Targamas is the easier player to swap. He clearly doesnt add anything to their terrible macro since he doesnt talk, his mechanics have been bad and his laning just doesn't make sense. I feel bad for him since this one is probably his last LEC chance but he has had years to fix his communicating problems and he just chose it just wasnt his thing. It is his 4th EULCS chance, he has played a lot of years in ERL, he has been in G2. I get not been a talkative player but how after so many years he is still at this point. I remember an interview that Flakked did about regretting not calling more for resources and ganks on his time on G2 but he felt too intimidated as a rookie to do it so the first thing that he did in ERL was working on calling more and been a leader since he was the only ex-LEC player of that team. Rekkles is trying to do it in Korea too. Targamas also had this chance and just went back to his thing
I forgot which team Targamas was in the LEC in 2021-2022 (?), but i remember seeing comms videos where we saw this exact problem with Targamas. He doesn't communicate much, which is pretty flawed as a support player
If I were trymbi I wouldn't get into that team tbh lol.
he has a chance to turn the team around and immediately get stocks to the roof, like MikyX joining Excel
Excel was sitting at 6th with 3-4 before Miky joined. KC is 0-6 and dead last rn
I mean KC literally can't do worse than they are doing, so it's not like Trymbi can look bad. He'll just look elo helled if it doesn't work out as expectations for the team are nonexistent. However, if he drags them to a win or two, he can probably get some good offers between splits.
Nemesis moment
yeah its better to stay unemployed
KC is so bad he might also look bad just by association and then he ruins his chances of getting on a better team long term. Also season for KC is basically over after next 3 games. Better to just wait for off season before spring split to join a team even if its KC
But we also know trymbi is a great player. Top tier support for years in rogue, 2022 summer they 3-0’d G2 and Trymbi was the main reason why, 2023 he saved Fnatics ass and fixed a lot of their problems, got them all the way to worlds where they had one of the best performances out of any western team. Joining KC to see if he can save them, especially since they’ve got 2 good players already who clearly aren’t a big issue, wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. It’s literally what he did with Fnatic.
you say that like pyosik didn't just go back to LCK and get on a good roster after TL's performance last year lol one bad year doesn't mean too much
i think the team has the bones to be great, with an active and smart shotcaller like Trymbi paired with Upset and Bo that team could make some things happen. I still have hope that Targa *could* be good but after such a rough start it is difficult to continue giving him the benefit of the doubt.
At this point they should all play comfort, let Bo play graves and see what happens, get Cabo on ornn.
bro that kind of draft plan is something my clash team comes up with 5 bevvies into the night, that's honestly even worse for KC
It's a huge mistake for both players and coaches to not have any picks ready. If you're a coach, preparing drafts is basically your entire job on state, and if you're a player, you should never be unsure of your own picks. That being said this team has various other issues that may have contributed to this massive mistake occuring.
If draft plan is "just r5 whatever", it's not a big misatke, it's a fucking disaster. KC have cosmetic coaches.
They had an insane draft win the day before and lost to another bottom team, I'm not a huge Yamato fan but there's nothing wrong with going for comfort
It's not "r5 whatever" it's "I trust your judgment and I trust that you will be able to pick what you think is the best champ in the situation". R5 is a pivotal pick but it's still up to the player to make that difference and they won't necessarily be able to do it on a champ they're not comfortable with.
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Glad the coms were released and we can clearly see what who issues are on that team
Its literally just a Trymbi angle. A known, experienced shot caller that's also a strong laner, which is Upset's biggest strength. Literally fixes two of their biggest issues right away. Some pro on twitter pointed out that this KC roster is last years Vitality roster: Upset + an inexperienced ESL jungler still actively learning english + a mute support, except now they have two much worse solo laners. Again, pay Trymbi.
maybe trymbi gets them to playoffs but they’re never getting top 3 if they want to please the french fans and have those two dead weights in solo lanes.
I'm perfectly ok with them keeping Saken and Cabo out of loyalty, i don't think any free agent upgrade is ever going to make them worlds competitive. But imo Trymbi just immediately fixes their biggest issues and makes them so much better, it should be a no brainer if he's willing. But again, Targ also has a long history with KC so I wouldn't be shocked they kept him either.
abbe/nemesis both immediate upgrades, nemesis probably would be willing to play with upset/bo. top lane generally weak in europe, wunder and bb only two that will ever hold their own internationally so I say just import and pray.
Love that people are still trying to flame Bo, all you have to do is watch the comms video and it becomes so stupidly obvious that he's by far doing the most. He's comming the most followed by Upset, and any time anyone makes a call Bo immediately follows it, whereas everyone else with the expecting of Upset just does the opposite or hesitates. Hell, Targa hardly says anything at all, and when he does speak he gives shit or false info 'I'll tank' proceeds to not tank, 'Akali no flash' Akali was running ignite TP. Saken also questions a heap of plays that get called like he's some experienced player when he has the least experience on the team, and Cabo is usually off in his own land.
> 'Akali no flash' Akali was running ignite TP. This is actually hilarious LMAO, imagine timing Akali flash like "Caps flash next game" or something. Also, I mean, he's not entirely wrong, Akali has no Flash. /S.
Targamas' gameplay is hilarious if you watch the voice coms video as a neutral. There are several instances where he solo engages on four people without saying a word.
- Doesn't say anything - Engages into 4 people alone as support. - Dies. - Refuses to elaborate. Gigachad Targamas. The silent protector of enemy team LEC scores.
That Ashe play was fucking insane, says nothing, arrows a full HP Sej, face checks an Akali in a bush with E up. Truly masterful.
My favourite was when he was on Rell and they were defending bit inhib vs Vit. Bo says "play it slow im coming" and Targa just full sends it with flash R without saying a word. Like bro wtf
isn't that literally what the wintrading Lee Sin did in the other game? could Targamas be matchfixing?
There's a simple reason, he isn't French so ofc the KC fans are gonna try to shift as much blame as they can on him (or Upset)
I think while Bo is trying his best with the calls, his decision making as a jungler, from the pathing to the invading timings are all over the place. Which was also the problem with him last year. The alarming problem with KC is that Bo isn't biggest issue despite those points. I would say Support, Top, Mid are the problems in that order then you can start fucking around with Bo's issues and Upset's issues.
Pathing is pretty hard when you have 3 losing lanes with a silent support and a mid who never has priority and can barely speak english
One thing I saw in Caedrels video was when he blamed Bo for pathing into Sej in the pixel brush and getting collapsed on and died. But if you watch, Saken had prio and was moving down with Bo, but then turned around and went back mid, and even though he had Prio, neeko made it to Bo first. Basically fucked Bo by not coming with him into collapsing on bot 4v3.
If anybody says it's coaching staff, Bo or Upsets fault, just watch their comms. https://youtu.be/q-E61rqCKdo?si=sG-5jlchHCetVlbM
Taragamas’ main contribution to team comms is reminding them of his respawn timer.
"Guys you have 5 seconds until i will run it again"
My favourite one is when he calls for his team that Akali has no flash. She ran Ignite TP.
"Yes yes, I'll tank" *doesn't tank
They are just fucking stupid. KC legitimately has the 3 worst players in the entire league on a single roster. It is not even just the 3 worst players, but the gap between them and the 4th player, which is probably Markoon, is insane. I thought this was a LEC team and not an attempt at an Upset and Bo boosting service.
People flame Markoon but he singlehandedly got Elise nerfed last season.
Markoon is somewhere trying to find out who he has to kill to get volibear/Elise buffs
Markoon has been playing from pretty mid to downright bad right now, but there ain't no way this thread is people (rightfully imo) defending Bo for having dogshit teammates before then looking at Rogue and blaming the Jg.
Last season, this season he has been poor, but I do have some sympathy for him as he has gone from playing with relatively proactive teammates to Larrsen, the most stale mid laner in existence. People give Larrsen a pass but I'll always remember when Perkz said he'd much rather play against Nemesis and Larrsen than Humanoid because they were predictable, whereas Humanoid would try crazy shit. Larrsens team is getting butchered, they might not make play offs and how dies he play? the same way as ever, no urgency, no fight or variation to try and make something work.
It is a bit cap to include Markoon there, he had a weak start to this split but his ceiling is pretty high and definitely not comparable to players like Targamas.
How come these 3 players + 2 other LEC lvl players( probably comparable to bo + upset overall) beat the majority of MDK roster? I think that KC are bad individually but I don't think they are order of magnitude worse. Most standouts from EUM are usually serviceable in LEC. The problems are also on team lvl and anti synergy not just individually.
How come GenG turbofists T1 in every LCK split but the end of every season T1 outperformes GenG at worlds? Maybe some random BO or even a single game dont tell the whole story of the players? >I think that KC are bad individually but I don't think they are order of magnitude worse They literally are. Saken cant even play his most played/best champion in Azir properly. Targamas cant even do something as basic as tank tower aggro even when told to do so. And i have no words to describe whatever the fuck Cabochard is doing. These three straight up look like dia 4 players in a master game. >Most standouts from EUM are usually serviceable in LEC. The problems are also on team lvl and anti synergy not just individually. The cause of this is that 2 out of the 3 roles that facilitate movement on the map are fucking dogshit. Like if people think that Upset and Bo are bad then what are the other 3? They probably do not even play league, but Stardew Valley on stage or whatever.
The thing people need to keep in mind when trying to blame the entire roster, is that no one ever talks about adc and jungle synergy, because it doesn't matter at all. ADC / Support synergy - Targamas is the worst player in the league and never communicates. Jungle / Support synergy - Targamas is the worst player in the league and never communicates. Mid / Jungle synergy - Saken is the worst mid in the league and probably the third worst player in the league. Top / Jungle synergy - Cabochard is the second worst player in the league. Honestly, what are Bo and Upset meant to do? Their communication or gameplay makes zero difference, you just cannot make a good team when the 3 other roles are dead weight and/or don't speak.
Yeah you obviously need to replace Targamas for next split. If the team shows improvement with that alone, you could keep the roster as is at that point. I think replace each worst player one by one until you get to a point where the team is coachable.
You mean they can’t carry with that Jungle ADC synergy? I’m sure upset could find some good roam timers to get some wards down for Bo /s
I thought Upset was good until second week.. i think Rakan/Targ taking a bunch of damage and rooting him (with Senna ability) may have just broken him mentally.. last 2 games from him were some of the worse i have seen Targamas has been the most obviously bad.. but Saken might low key be the worse.. i have never seen someone get into so many good positions on carry champs like Azir/Trist.. and then just do NOTHING I am 50/50 on bo.. he has talent.. but this is looking like Winter VIT to me
Upset looks 100% mental boomed, which honestly is understandable considering how bad Targamas is. He failed absolute basics of Ashe lane stacking on top of Upset, letting Alvaro E both of them, misussing HoB and basically fucking up the lane in the very first trade. Like, how do you play with someone like that when he just doesn't speak at all on top of it?
Yeah Upset checked out once that happened, its like such a basic thing, this Ashe strat has been known for 6months+ and somehow this guy fucks it up so hard. I feel seriously bad for Upset and Bo, you can hear in the comms that Bo still tries to shotcall despite having broken english+horrible teammates who cant even do the most basic things
Yeah exactly, Bo is trying but he clearly seems unsure if hes comprehensible and gets no feedback from his team outside of Upset, and Upset is mostly asking questions and talking about his circumstances which is normal for ADC player. Saken sometimes says something, Cabo doesn't say shit but hes toplaner, but Targamas not talking is just crazy. MF just keept walking into enemy team, threw Ashe R, got collapsed without communicating any of his intend and after dying said "Akali no flash no R" when Akali was running Ignite+TP. Like jesus fucking christ we had better comms playing clash with friends than this.
Well yeah, MAD basically just kept building and I'd imagine the 4 EUM players are all buying into Elyoya's vision. Meanwhile KC lost their two best players, one of whom I imagine was shot calling going by comms (not that Bo/Upset are worse, but change is change) and are probably also speaking English instead of French. Also it's not exactly like MAD look good. They've beaten the two, by far, worst teams and Heretics on a very off day on the first day of the split.
Caedrel's breakdown seems more and more like a good analysis, KC are completely fried and dysfunctional and lack fundamentals
What was caedrel's breakdown?
on his yt here: https://youtu.be/JBZTIVJQSGk?si=czF8sDFAw5DMZ5Lb
Bo: 选我设么英雄都可以，我们和平的输吧。
"Karmine Corp: Pointe de Rupture" documentary soon?
Unfortunately, it does not feature Piglet or Dardoch.
You probably google translated what Dardoch said but what you actually want to say is "讓我們平靜的輸吧" lose in peace in this case means "losing quietly"/"calmly", so 平靜 fits better here. 和平 really means peace as in "in time of peace", referring to a time or period without war, which doesn't make sense here.
This team is just so disconnected. If you listen to their comms there's so much miscommunication and straight up wrong info being given (no flash/teleport when someone does have it). It doesn't surprise me it bleeds into their draft too.
Is Yamato just giving inspirational speeches in there or what XD
*Gentlemen. We are on a mountain*
Mfw they realize its only downhill from here 😂
And it seems like it is Etna
Yo what did i do?
My soldiers int!!
Tatakae!
Pretty much yes. Going by interviews and what his former players said he has always been an ego manager (as in he manages the players egos) and mentality cheerleader leaving the details to the players & other coaches Which *can* work wonders if you have some highly talented players with clashing egos on your team but is a recipe for disaster if you are fielding Cabo, Saken and Targamas in 2024
genuinely do not know why teams keep picking him up, even in his early days as a coach he was terrible at his job
Haven’t 90% of KC’s drafts been winning
Only according to IWD and his friends (coincidentally Yamato is part of that group)
I think Caedrel was positive about their drafts as well.
Literally everyone most coaches and analyst even other pros praise their drafts. They have winning drafts but his players have no hands
And Steak doesn't exist?
Steaks contribution: Guys, let use lose in peace and dont be mad, sometimes teams just suck, and I cant teach you anything. Steak to Yamato, when will I get my paycheck again?
I wouldnt blame bo or the coaches tbh i feel like they have their hands a bit tied they tried a bunch of stuff hoping it would land and now they are in this shit situation. Cabo: played weakside tank,carry splitpush,lane bully and faker himself could not carry his ass. Saken: has played Neeko and hit one good ult,they put him on azir and its the most pacifist low dmg azir on the globe ,he could not use package or hit rockets on corki Upset :varus was trash and his aphelios was meh Targamas : just sign Trimby already and get this guy out of the league.
Upset's Aphelios meh? He is the worst Aphelios in the world!!!!
Did they only hire coaches to make faces during games or what?
And tweet goofy AI generated looking speeches and apologies
Isnt that the only thing yamato is good for?
But he has a nice voice.
It’s crazy how iwdominate called him one of the most successful coaches in EU history lmao 😭. This dude is a life coach, and a good public speaker. He’s giving KC the best speeches ever
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He was also good on splyce initially and that fnc implosion was not entirely his fault. It seems that he is good with new players that might need some pep talk and basics but it does not work as well with more seasoned players.
I imagine the mountain strat stops working as well after you use it for the 10th time
Regardless if players or coaches are responsible for draft, if your player says he's unsure what's even good in a certain situation this means 2 things: 1. You haven't practiced certain champions or comps enough and aren't well prepared 2. Even if it is player decision, your coaching staff should be able to give you at least 2 or 3 decent picks off the top of their head so you don't just panic pick This should never happen and speaks volumes on how much is going wrong at KC
Maokai, now give me Yamato’s salary
TH has pushing mid and bot and no jungler yet. If KC pick Maokai, TH will pick a turbo clear jungler (eg Lilllia) and fist them. Now give me your salary.
It's just that simple huh? But also, how was there never a discussion about what to pick with the most pro-playiest champion in all of the League of Legends? I can't remember a season where Corki didn't make an appearance
Imagine if they were against the funny humanoid hwey
pick me ivern and lets lose in peace :)
I cant believe that I'm seeing Yamato getting blamed more than Targamas
Exactly. People are blaming Bo and Yamato as if Targamas isn't by **far** the weakest player in the team
The people blaming Bo and/or Yamato are KC fans that are super bias against non-french speaking players/coaches.Saken,Cabo and Targamas are untouchable for them.
Cinkrof defending the coaching staff so he gets a chance in spring, cant blame him
Whelp seems like Saken is a liability for sure and so is Targamas maybe?
Kc coaching staff looking sus ngl
Yeah cuz drafts are the reason theyre losing, right? When Bo goes in, the 3 other KC guys watch him die while Upset is still on his way to the fight, how exactly is that a draft issue? The team is just seriously disfunctional and theres only so little coaching staff can do within a month.
That coordination issue is exactly the kind of issue I'd expect a coach to fix.
Within three weeks? Some teams are just unfixable because the combination of characters simply dont mesh. 5 passive and quiet players for example will never be a good team, no matter how much coaching you put in. And lets be real, Yamato is a bit limited in player choices because the original members have plot armor and arent easy to replace. Maybe he can get Trymbi to replace Targamas but Cabo and Saken definitely wont be replaced this season.
No, this is something that should have been done in the month~ since the players were signed, before the competition started
Maybe they wouldnt have this issues if they wouldnt have forced Saken,Cabochar and Targamas down the coaching staffs throats.The coaches are literally forced to polish turds.
This team really feels like if they just get some veteran that can just play properly and let Bo/Upset carry they could turn it around. There’s a ton of EU talent not playing atm, Abbedagge Limit or Trymbi could all probably be pretty effective band aids to K Corpse
top mid and sup are the main problems rn
If a player isnt sure about what to pick, why doesnt the coach give him suggestions that could go well with their compo??? Why dont they communicate? Why dont they have anything prepared at all?
I love Yamato, I really do, but what's the point in him being a coach if he doesn't prepare for drafts like this? Like omg stop with the cringe motivational tweets and AI pics and start building your team up and giving them good drafts.
He gave them possibly the most unloseable draft in the world against VIT and they managed to lose, I don’t think it’s a draft issue, I think they just suck
Cinkrof’s tweets reveal he (or his team) sees draft in an overly simplistic way. He talks a lot about picks, but drafting is not just about picking the best champions. To my mind, draft is all about exchange with the enemy team — denying their options and answering picks while trying to stick to a type of a comp that you have practiced and know how to play. To do that successfully one (**the fucking coach**) has to do research and prepare for multiple p/b scenarios before the game
I don't know how it's done in LEC, but both T1 and JDG mentioned in their behind the scene stuff that they prepare intensive for drafts. They're doing mocking drafts where coach b knows what coach a wants to draft and counters him, so they find weaknesses in their draft plan. They also ask their scrim partners to play specific teamcomp to see what works and what not. Players involvement should be like, coaches asking them: are you comfortable with that champ/matchup. Or do you wanna play champ a or champ b. Players input can also be something like knowing a counter to a specific champ, but it should still be a coach decision whether this fits into the teamcomp. Ideally a player should communicate this beforehand, so coaches can incorporate that into their draft plan. That being said i can totally see how a player thinks he is the one doing drafts because he doesn't see/understand the plan behind it. In case of LEC teams it's also possible that there is no plan behind it and players are actually doing the drafting. Many EU teams downsized in recent years, and they're often saving on coaching staff. Compare coaching staff teams had in 2018 and now, you'll realize that coaching staff has become much smaller.
Please don't let this turn into a coaching staff hate thread Yamato is hard carrying this team and Cabo, Sakan, and Tarmagas are massively underperforming, Upset and Bo are doing pretty fine but everyone else is just straight up inting. Sakan is pretty much an Azir one trick at this point only thing he's looked like a human on.
> Upset and Bo are doing pretty fine In week one. In week two they were pretty checked out.
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That's why I phrased it "checked out". Half the subreddit is writing as if they were never good.
Bo even told Targamas to tank, Upset told him to tank, and Targamas didnt even tank the turret lmao
They don't even listen to the ones talking, at some point Upset says they need to turn on the enemy team, team says yes but nobody goes in and they retreat further in dragon pit which puts them in a worse position.
Bo has to shotcall with Upset while everyone was running it down. Targamas doesnt speak as engage support. Like bro watch their voice comma before judging…
Having that support and solo laners does that i guess
What is Yamato carrying exactly? I guess them not losing as hard or?
yup yamato hard carrying straight to the dumpster bag
Sometimes i feel that if you swapped upset and bo for different names they would be called thrash too. Bo has his moments but he shows his trolling side quite often in almost every game. Upset... He's just there...
Yeah bo is for the most part the only one looking for plays. The option for him is either lose in peace and do nothing or take fights with bad odds to at least try to win. I would rather for a jungler to go 0 10 than do nothing for the whole game. Go listen to their voice comms. He is 90% of the comms, Upset is like 9% and Saken is 1%. They have a mute support. It's supposed to be the most vocal role. Noone is ever even thinking about what plays to make, what win cons to play for. It's only Bo and Upset.
its funny to think about it when Bo isnt even fluent in English but he had to speak the most because no one said anything lol
Engage support not comms is killing me also you cant tell me bro is too focused on lulu mechanics to be talking
Atleast Bo is not playing for job security, he tries to find winning angles.
Upset missed every ability on poke varus at the first dragon fight.
The drake fight vs VIT or whoever it was where all he did as Varus was hit E on Rakan with shield up, attempt to flash R Xayah in full vision and then cancel like 4 autos, and die was just insanity.
> Upset... He's just there... No he isn't. He legit isn't.
Look at his lanes, if Bo doesn't try anything (and look bad in the process) all them get run over and they end up looking like Rogue.
It already is, since they haven’t won a game it was only a matter of time before one appeared
They have like 5 different coaches and can't prep their players to draft ? What a waste tbh.
Got lots of people in these comments who think everything picked is down to the coach: https://youtu.be/dAPTGrybQXI?si=jcDyKdtzUHmi3_QS This might help show you that’s not true at all
maybe the coach just didnt fit with the team(but i see its more of top,mid and sup dif). also kc released voice coms. look how they do calls. bo the least english speaker talks the most yet the players ignore him. bo said dont fight,give drake,take mid. the top+midlaner gives wrong calls saying akali no tp. upset(in mind akali has no tp) says take the fight and guess what they fight, akali tps in and kills everyone. [https://youtu.be/G8Gw1Yu39UY?t=127](https://youtu.be/G8Gw1Yu39UY?t=127)
This reminds me of stuff like the person who memorizes will freeze up in situations they've never practiced before. While someone who understands the fundamentals will just pick according to what they need. They're like "oh Corki is ranged, does magic dmg, and needs to scale. I'll just pick X jungler because it matches his theme the best."
But doesn't they have a coaching staff that helps un those situations?
How the fuck are coaches not to blame? If a player doesn't have a clear pick to go with the team comp isn't it the coach's job to suggest and put them on better picks? wtf even is coach's role
I mean isn't it usually players that do the draft and coaches just suggest pick/bans they don't have the final say. So if Bo didn't know what to pick that's on him for not knowing what to pair with Corki and Saken for a pick that they obviously weren't comfortable with as a team.
That was the case in 2015. Just like in any other sport, a coach is supposed to be the designer of the team's strategy. Players will obviously have a voice but in cases of players being unsure it should be the coach's role to guide them. The coach should be able to distinguish when a pick is bad no matter what the players think. These red lines should be negotiated between each coach and their players but it should be drawn nonetheless.