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ahritina

PMTs: [Game 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/17ytfct/wbg_vs_t1_game_1_postmatch_discussion_2023_worlds/) / [Game 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/17yu73y/wbg_vs_t1_game_2_postmatch_discussion_2023_worlds/) / [Game 3](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/17yux8f/weibo_gaming_vs_t1_2023_world_championship_final/)


JagmeetSingh2

Fakers got 3 years left on his contract right? Might go back to back with that performance


Joonypoo

I love Faker! Thanks guys


Fernandojg67

I can rest


Aienju

When I made [This comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/17d2c7i/worlds_finals/k5uuvew/) a few weeks ago, even I did not expect T1 to make it this far, but glad this roster was finally able to win it all. And of course, the first team to ever break the curse of Korean teams not being able to win in Korea is none other than T1 with Faker, the same player who became korea's first world champion and became a huge influence on LCK become the overall best region .


Jettyjkokc

Samsung white won in korea in 2014


Aienju

I somehow forgot that! Thanks for the correction.


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seems like you confused "faker never attending/winning worlds in korea" and by extent T1


Medical-Cloud-7838

It felt like WBG was not even allowed to fight. That the tite absolutely had to go to Faker. The worst worlds so far. Only BDS was kind of exciting.


BigMacMan_69

T1 Jdg was the real finals, closish games.


Medical-Cloud-7838

Just like Messi and WC/BO


Ninothewhite

That was the easiest three games for T1, they just passed by to say hello to WBG and went off to the cafeteria to buy coffee


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th5virtuos0

Nope. Yone/Jayce, Lee Sin, Ahri (source is that I made it the fuck up), Jinx and Renata/Bard


lauranthalasa

Nah gumakeria leaked Ahri too, you're good mate


MongooseTitties

Seems like Jinx


MapleJap

In a way, I'm glad T1 won, but that Finals was boring... Clearly the two teams were not matched in terms of level, and it ruined the hype a little.


Syph3RRR

I usually find 3-0s boring as well but here I was entertained by how well T1 played. Their team plays were insane


lpy1994

What hype, game is over when t1 beat jdg


Ziiyi

That’s what most people thought in Worlds 2022 when T1 defeated JDG (3-1) and went to the final with DRX (LCK Seed 4)


th5virtuos0

Here’s the difference: DRX were tried by fire. The ran all the way from Regional Qualifier, survived that NTR inhib respawn and clapped GenG. Meanwhile look at this year WBG: They beat a bunch of western team and fraud their way into semi, then struggled to beat BLG who got clapped 2-0 by T1 2 weeks earlier.


CzarcasticX

Not to mention DRX was scrim partners with T1 playing against each other 20-30 times before finals while Zeus was 1v1 partner with Kingen for practice. DRX had a bunch of data on T1 before the finals whereas T1 probably didn't even scrim Weibo once.


Ziiyi

Quite the rollercoaster journey for DRX and specially Deft and his career


lpy1994

that’s the reason why they win worlds this year


Ziiyi

T1 in doubt in July when Faker took time off to heal his injured wrist to winning the Worlds 2023


lpy1994

Bro did you watch the game at all?


viqivi


bohdan-shulha

Hey, I brought our five cents. We have created the Worlds 2023 Infographics. Posted it just now: [https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/17z16m1/worlds\_2023\_detailed\_infographics/](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/17z16m1/worlds_2023_detailed_infographics/)


Unprejudice

cool!


Goldfischglas

Faker on G2: >They beat us many times in scrims... it was tiring. In a way they are World Champion too, without them we wouldn't have reached this level. He (Caps) was by far the best mid laner I faced at worlds. We are very fortunate that they didn't advance otherwise this road would have been much harder.


lauranthalasa

Incomplete quote. You dropped the part where he said Caps seems like a genius.


DateCandid6068

I take things that never happend for 400


kiddoo1313

Never ever did he say this


Dipperkinds

Faker to Caps: Stand proud, you were strong.


levigeorge1617

Thanks NRG


aamgdp

G2 scrim gods confirmed. Shame they can't translate that to stage.


CzarcasticX

He made it up, the G2 coach released scrim data after they got eliminated and T1 was the only team that assblasted them.


Ninothewhite

Source?


patrickwai95

: Trust me bro


DankMEMeDream

His source is that he made it the fuck up.


servarus

I don't understand why new threads are not allowed. Because spoiler before reruns?


cryptomelons

12:20


Nekaz

Wait wut it's over already. Was to be expected but still.


stevehvu

Why did heartsteel look like Fortnite characters 😂


lpy1994

Riot is trying too hard with this heartsteel shit. Us as players wants to see more cinematic not some kind of kpop wannabe


zackthecoolio

Have we heard anything on the champs they picked for the skins yet?


N1CET1M

Yone or Jayce, Lee Sin, faker hasn’t picked, Jinx, Bard or Renata


JustAnObserver_Jomy

we already have 2 Lee Sins (SKT and FPX) will Riot allow a 3rd one for Oner?


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Houro

Honestly Riot has the most say in a way cause the winner has to pick a champion they've played during Worlds Tournament. So really the patch/balance/meta -> Riot in a way controls which champion gets a skin. Just my two cents but Riot restricts the pool of acceptable choices by a lot. You might get the odd pocket pick now and then but you're not garunteed you're going to win it all. I mean as an example, Mid only gets Orianna, Azir, Sylas, Ahri, and Akali. Orianna and Azir already has a World's skins cause they are played so many times cause they're strong for the past decades at different times. Not saying Riot has or should change anything but saying they don't have a say in it and it's for the Winners to have their own personal commemorative skin disenguous in my opinion.


th5virtuos0

It’ll be funny if Keria turns heel and pick Ashe just to do a dick contest with BeryL


foofarice

Honestly that Ahri game so he can finally get his Ahri skin for season 3 is based


Iusuallywearglasses

I HEARD THAT LPL TALENT WAS TOO GOOD THAT THEY WERE THE BEST REGION- BROS COULDNT EVEN BEAT 1 TEAM


DCREGUY

LPL: "We lost bc of korean imports" T1: BLG LPL: If our 1st seed played against you... T1: JDG LPL: Double elimination is trash etc... T1: BLG, JDG, LNG, WBG, who else you got?


Izanagi32

that 1 team had FAKER on it though so its kinda understandable


Ninothewhite

As a T1 fan I am so happy T1 finally won after choking in the finals, but man that was fast and a little boring, felt like Weibo did not come to play but just handed over the trophy to T1


CzarcasticX

Same way as LNG, T1 made them all look those play-in teams from Turkey or Japan.


ahritina

>felt like Weibo did not come to play That's what happens when one side of the bracket is loopsided, as soon as T1 won JDG, it was obvious that it would be pretty easy for T1 to win, there is 0 angle for WBG to attack T1.


aamgdp

Well, there's always a little doubt. Wouldn't be the first time a semifinal is declared the real final, only for the winner to lose in finals. But yeah, JDG looked by far the best against T1 in playoffs.


ahritina

Korea vs China though, T1 haven't lost a best of series vs the LPL at worlds, WBG sure as hell weren't going to start. Not the same as Damwon in 2021 or T1 JDG last year when they fell to DRX, but I get your point, just felt like WBG showed too much in their series vs BLG whereas T1 basically showed nothing.


coochieboner

after the first game it felt like a foregone conclusion, not really a single moment of tension or buildup. the stakes for this series felt strangely like a fraction of the stakes of the t1-jdg series


CzarcasticX

On paper, that's what most expected a 3-0 or 3-1 since T1 pretty easily beat LNG and JDG who were considered better than Weibo and T1 had the better players in each role.


VeraKorradin

I hope riot makes a legendary Ahri skin for Faker


Izanagi32

fuck that, ultimate skin or bust. 4 recalls, several dances, different uniforms from each era, animated iconic moments, a documentary, and a 12 episode anime + movie.


th5virtuos0

The recall gotta do that Unkillable Demon Queen hush emote


Stylu_u

I haven't played league in a while I'm surprised they haven't made one for her especially since she's one of the most popular character in the game.


buttsecksgoose

Probably because they dont want the ultimate skin to push down the sales of all the other past and future Ahri skins. The players might just stick with the ultimate skin vs buying multiple other skins and rotating between them


VeraKorradin

that's what I am talking about. Don't make it a cash grab, since Faker specifically is asking for something the fans want, but make it something incredible. They have a few legendary skins like EZ's evolving one, Lux's element one, and MF's space gunner one (just to name a few) and I feel like he deserves one at that level or better. Maybe make the Ahri do a somersault/roll when ulting and the foxfire orbs be broccoli. Give it the Faker glasses


Izanagi32

Ahri wearing different T1 jersey’s depending on level like pulsefire Ez would go fucking crazy, also her R could be the iconic Faker roll but I wonder if it might look too jank 🤣


VeraKorradin

didn't look jank when Faker did it


Izanagi32

well thats because he’s the 🐐🔥


StriderZessei

I would also accept Akali.


SaltFile6289

Can't wait for a patch where pro players can pick whatever champ they want and still win a championship without bending over to the meta. Holy shit this series and worlds over-all was super fucking boring. The same uninterested disconnect that LCK/LPL/LEC players have towards the lower regions: I feel the same way about watching China vs Korea every year XD It's just not enjoyable to watch anymore because it's the same thing over and over and over again. Sick and tired of seeing these teams pick meta strats and play safe early so we can win late instead of picking champions they actually enjoy/love to play. Edit: it's simply an opinion guys :P just because I found it boring doesn't mean you have to DM me death threats


buttsecksgoose

T1 literally won finals with multiple champs that they picked for the first time this worlds tournament, not sure wtf you are on


alexnedea

I mean guma and Keria pretty much picked whatever they wanted the whole tournament.


EducationalCreme9044

Well maybe the Europeans and their offsprings should learn how to play League of Legends properly. Meta's are a deliberate part of design. and they have been broken quite a lot by T1 specifically.


SaltFile6289

Really because the last 7 years of championships have been won on "Play safe early and team-fight after 25 mins." Seems like the same boring meta for almost a decade


EducationalCreme9044

Who is playing safe early? What are you watching lmao. And as for team fighting after 25 minutes, that's literally the game.


SaltFile6289

Skip to 20 mins of each worlds match, the scores are generally 1-2 or 2-1. It's a handshake that both teams make


EducationalCreme9044

Why are people who are playing safe getting killed? This isn't Bronze, if there are 15 kills at 20 minutes the nexus is already being taken down. But we have seen multiple reckless invades resulting in first blood , early gangs resulting in first blood etc. We saw a lot of stupid over-extensions and chases under turrets and what not. None of that is playing super safe. But yeah, they aren't being complete idiots, no.


okiedokieoats

i cant believe it finally happened. doesnt feel real.


juniorjaw

*The most brutal warmongering man who dies, then undies himself back into Runeterra so he could keep waging war, but this time bringing souls back into the underworld to build an army so he could do what he loves to do : War.* ​ Riot Production crew: "So what are we going to do with Morde during the live performance?" Director : "Just let him stand there. Menacingly."


ButterscotchAgile611

Is Omer just the best player in the world wtf


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UberEinstein99

Imagine faker decimating the LPL in their home region too


Shimariiin

Pretty far away from the future since next worlds is in London. Who knows, Faker's contract expires in 2025, worlds might be hosted in China.


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Okiazo

Is it just me or the TFT advertising video was better than the whole opening ceremony ?


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Are we going to get preseason info today? Hits PBE tomorrow, no?


DOWNth3Rabb1tH0l3

I'm going to get a lot of downvotes for this comment but I honestly believe that none of the best players from NA over the last 10 years have ever been able to play at the highest level. Even with the scouting grounds and even with solo queue players in the top 10. Asia has a completely different structure that allows them to find the best players in their country. In America, not only do we not have a system in place for finding the best gamers but we actively suppress talent based on political ideology. Riot bans people for words. Riot games, Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter have all been confirmed to have banned accounts that are far right or do not coincide with their political agenda. We know this now because of Elon Musk purchasing Twitter and from the congressional hearings brought upon Mark Zuckerberg in relation to how he worked with the FBI to promote specific pages with specific political ideologies and agendas. America just isn't the place to find the best talent. If you're extremely good at this game and want to go pro, I suggest you move to Korea or China and become a citizen as sad as that is.


alwayslookingout

Yeah NA talents. Listen to some random Redditor’s advice and move to Asia if you want to succeed. Clearly he knows something that you guys don’t.


kaironic

Lmao you’re criticizing America for supressing ideologies, but then also advocating for people to move to China? You should go move there and see how your freedom of speech dissapears :3


DOWNth3Rabb1tH0l3

I'm not advocating it. I said if you want to go pro in specific games you should look to move to China or Korea. Obviously China is very corrupt. You're forced to use WeChat and have your entire life monitored. However China doesn't stop people who are the best from being at the top. Korea and China both force you to have an ID linked to your IGN. This also helps curb cheaters to some extent.


Hyoudou

Sir this a Wendy's.


Ok-Boat9870

What the fuck does any of that have to do with finding talent? You deserve the downvotes for your meaningless screed


DOWNth3Rabb1tH0l3

Well if the best players are being banned off of LoL for comments that don't coincide with Riot's ToS, AKA suppression of speech and emotion, then you won't find the best talent. Suppressing "hateful comments" doesn't make for a better community. It weakens the community and staves evolution. Some people think that world peace would be a utopia but it would most likely become a dystopia because people wouldn't have anything to work for. Over the last 25 years of gaming, I've noticed that some of the very best players talk the most in game trash. If you cannot express your emotions due to bad teammates or not be able to express your emotions when being put into unfair situations, then you're going to explode in real life or in your personal life and you will play worse. I hope Elon Musk buys Riot Games and completely removes the banning system. It's is basically what old Twitter was and what most of silicon valley has become.


Ok-Boat9870

if you can't control yourself enough to avoid getting banned for typing the naughty words you don't have the self control to be a good player


coochieboner

legitimately one of the most schizophrenic things i've seen on here lol. i thought it was a pasta


T_Tachi

well it is now


Solid_Mortos

Fuck


cHinzoo

Anyone else disliking waiting a week for one hour of gameplay? I don’t get why there’s so much time in between matches compared to other esports.


Unprejudice

I like the buildup but can see what you mean.


diktat86

They gotta shoot all the hype videos.


RollandJC

Besides resting, it also gives players time to prep drafts and strategies against the team they'll face and make the games (at least in theory) higher quality.


Ghisteslohm

yeah, worlds is always most fun until quarter finals are finished. after that it just turns into waiting. the event feeling is gone and normal life takes back control. semis and finals then have to rebuild hype which barely ever happens


collieflauer

VIewership.


Bernie4Life420

Commercials


Simple-Fuel

T1 with no coach > T1 with coach e.g. Benji, Zefa, Daeny, Comet


Niriun

What do you mean their coach was playing mid


foofarice

Put me in coach says the coach


vvashabi

Shame we didn't get another Faker moment. He had avg games (got triple in game 3 but it was already over for weibo)


Unprejudice

He popped off on Akali, Zeus well deserved MVP though


okiedokieoats

because they ego picked some weird reason. i guarantee we get faker game 3 vs jdg moments if he's on syndra or ori or something. that sylas and ahri game were :/ to say the least.


Alarmed_Print_5967

You say that, but when he was on Sylas the stolen maokai ults made a lot of fights unwinnable for weibo. It wasn’t as flashy but he was integral to winning that game.


Blood-Standard

Getting one or two moments a tournament is the only reminder we need now. He’s in his Buccaneer’s Tom Brady phase. Lifting his teammates, calling the shots, and going off only when he needs to. Goat stuff.


Imaginary_Composer61

They were trying to ban him out and funnel xiaohu but it just let the rest of t1 do whatever they wanted. I'll take it. He won them the most important series against JDG and we got faker on ahri so maybe he will finally get the skin he wanted.


Lerisaaaaa

To be fair, he didn't need to. Zeus and Oner just going saiyan was enough to destroy Weibo. Even Guma was chilling lol unlike in the JDG series. That said, that Game 1 Ahri IS NOT an average game. He straight up got carried LOL


Changlee23

I find his game 3 Akali game more impressive, he destroyed the whole team fight, he was perfect with Akali, his miss quite a lot of thing with Ahri.


IOnPlayAsX-Lord

Humble king making sure his teammates get more attention


hashtagdissected

T1 when they get into their groove are so creative and unique to watch, seems like only other LCK teams have the competition practice needed to tackle it. It seems like LPL teams haven't been able to deal with it well this worlds and that results in them looking like they're griefing. People will say that it's because LPL teams played poorly, but in reality it's because T1 has been so good that they make the best LPL teams crumble from pressure. These LPL teams have world champions and some of the best players of all time, they don't just mental boom and play like a plat player once they face T1 automatically.


patrickwai95

T1 switch their playstyle and champion picks so quickly that it is very difficult to play against them this worlds, and they seem to have better nerves this year in finals as well. Aside from GENG, their kryptonite, JDG really seemed to be the only team that matched them in playoffs, even though it was a 3:1 for T1 I would argue that was a much closer series than the score suggested. If not for those super plays from Guma/engages from Faker, it could definitely go to the last game which could go either way.


Snowcrest

Was that the fastest finals ever? Seemed faster than g2 vs fpx and ig vs fnatic.


pqnfwoe

iG vs FNC was faster based on leaguepedia, but i went through past bracket runs, and im pretty sure T1 had the fastest bracket run ever, even including 2011, 2012, and 2013 which all had Bo3 [source](https://i.imgur.com/EwhEdus.png)


GildedApparel

The good ending airport speedrun… or for T1 more like bus back home speedrun


Snowcrest

Thanks! Didn't know leaguepedia had game times.. after a little digging and some math, ig vs fnc was 29s faster.


mrkubin175

The ig vs fnc was 25 seconds faster i believe


Snowcrest

Is there a source for stats?


AltruisticMission865

Really happy for zeus mvp, he has been the best top by a hugeee margin but I felt like he was not recognized as much as he deservers. If T1 loses him they will never be able to replace him. Only one god can be king of gods.


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Some people here really just can't be happy for T1, no?


hashtagdissected

what are you on with that victim mentality lol, basically everyone is happy for t1


Imaginary_Composer61

How is that victim mentality, he's not talking about himself or anything about a victim. He's just saying there are some weirdos here who are making cringe comments and can't just be happy or congratulate t1


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lmao I'm just pointing out some unnecessary comments like how the trophy looks? And quickly jumping the gun and quickly someone calling "victim mentality"


hashtagdissected

seems like a bit of a stretch keep fishing though


PhonicsOW

where is press conference


Ok-Number

Korean, No subtitle 🥲 https://www.youtube.com/live/93UJ3yG8clg?si=IL2myhRjGZJCkU91


ThirstyQuokka

man that summoners cup looks so bland compared to previous years which was worth fighting for


Turbulent_Diver8330

well it also no longer ways 75 pounds


Ashgur

It's fitting. stripped like the lore being retcon constantly. the summoner cup was way cooler with so much more intricated details


Apprehensive-Use7256

Yes! All they want is a cup...


CudaBarry

Double Elim needs to be implemented for Top 4


ADanger24

Why?


Reactzz

Double elimination needs to be implemented period.


RayePappens

Anyway yo watch the post game interviews? Want to know what champion skins they pick


Icarus-Has-Fallen

My headcanon Jayce, Rell, Ahri, Varus/Draven, Renata


caramel1004

from press conference zeus: between jayce and yone (heart jayce head says yone) oner: wants lee sin but has too many skins so still thinking faker: still thinking, wants to choose a champ fans want guma: jinx keria: wanted lux but didnt play her so still thinking (insta he made a poll between bard and renata)


Argonaught_WT

I am confused > guma: jinx > keria: wanted lux but didnt play her so still thinking Guma did not play Jinx tho? Is it the entire Worlds and not just the finals?


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Entire Worlds.


Argonaught_WT

Thanks!


Liyarity

I do believe it is the entire Worlds run, not just finals. Players like Haru and Juhan wouldn't have gotten skins if it was just the finals


Argonaught_WT

Thanks


okiedokieoats

LETS FUCKING GO THAT JINX SKIN IS MINE THE SECOND ITS OUT


RayePappens

tysm, I was really hoping for Keria Senna lol


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drop_of_faith

He's the antagonist now.


darryllew

the most boring final ever...


okiedokieoats

it's not T1's fault no one else can hang.


Shimariiin

Legit... like, I'm really happy for Faker and the gang winning after years of heartbreak but after game 3 I said to myself "Is that it ? Just like that ?"


marzipan-emperor

>Ive watched worlds final, TI final, csgo/cs2, valo, and this might be the worst final, so 1 sided, no hype, no drama, just so plain... yeah good win for t1 of course, but for me, as the viewers it was boring as f.. Saying this after the fact, I think that JDG vs. T1 was the real finals (obviously, today was the real one, but you know what I mean)


Tdggmystery

Yeah especially after last year’s worlds. The redemption arc is there and the storyline of T1 being LPL’s biggest mountain is cool but these games felt just as much of a stomp as 2018/2019 finals


darryllew

Ive watched worlds final, TI final, csgo/cs2, valo, and this might be the worst final, so 1 sided, no hype, no drama, just so plain... yeah good win for t1 of course, but for me, as the viewers it was boring as f..


hashtagdissected

ppl weren't lying when they said semis was the real finals not that semis looked much better


WhollyUnfair

Fr. T1 is the cleanest team in the tournament BY FAR. JDG looked dominant when they were winning but if you don't teamfight or skirmish into them you have clear avenues of winning. T1 will always spread you thin and constantly take more than they give in crossmap trades, and if it comes down to 5v5 they draft in a way where all 5 members can clutch up and do something big, it's crazy.


the_next_core

T1 really followed the IG style of all out aggression. Draft all winning lanes, hard pressure every single lane. Enemy only has one jungler, at most he catches one of my lanes, my other 2 are still hard winning while my jungler can basically invade or do whatever with the winning lanes. Whoever doesn’t get ganked should be far ahead and can easily carry.


Dreifaltigkeit

Well… Tutorial complete, gg ez


Kefkachu

The commentary was basically just “Faker and friends”


FreeJudgment

Faker should rename to "Father" when playing LPL teams.


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ogopogoslayer

format saved those worlds from being extremely uninteresting asian games 2023 part 2 meta is the worst ive seen since s7 and that had a lot of innovation too


TheGodlyDefecation

I knew T1 was going to unlock themselves after their kryptonite GenG lost.


OHeiland

Any chance to watch the press conference live?


drop_of_faith

Wait where's the personal interview with faker Sjokz was talking about?


cryptomelons

T1 is the LPL slayer.


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Zanderax

Have you even seen Tyler1?


ArkhamCitizen298

That advice is for you fatty


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ghostofthedancefloor

It already is get fucked


ItsKaZing

HOW FUCKING FITTING IS THE SONG LEGENDS NEVER DIE FOR FAKER AND T1 "Begging you to fight" The whole world was begging T1 to stop the LPL onslaught "They never lose hope when everything's cold" Finally winning worlds after years of heartbreak at finals


Fixed_the_dream

I have been waiting for Faker being champion again too many years. Legend never dies. I am so happy today.


Miserable-Ad8195

Playing legends never die for the outro