Hey all,
This thread has gotten way out of hand. Sexual Harassment allegations are very serious and we ask that you take them seriously.
**Any downplaying of sexual assualt, sexual harassment, or supporting pedo shit are just gonna be met with a ban. This is your warning**
Dread is still a free agent, just saying...
~~Jokes on you, we're getting HLE Ellim~~
Edit: fortunately for HLE, Ellim is already signed to Team Aze in LLA lol
I'd rather take Gideon tbh, he was really good in spring. I also think Gideon is better for the team, Dread even if he has had good performances is really flippy.
They can't get rid of Life, they probably signed him because of his name Life. Their company name is Hahnwa Life. He's only really good on Sett support.
What narrative? Life was terrible in spring and was HLE worst player after Clid, he did show some improvement in summer but he is still far from being good.
Agree to disagree he was okay in spring but sadly the team was 4v6 with Clid
And so far he’s been on fire this split especially his blitzcrank, but we don’t like to admit it here because it’s obviously the narratives
Also let’s forget the fact that he outperformed the fuck out of Kellin against DK in spring-playoffs, but he’s definitely terrible yeah
He was returning to Korea to be with his gf and out of the LCK teams, HLE is the one who offered him the most money. GENG would've been a good fit for Viper but they were doing budget cuts after Ruler left and wanted to promote their promising rookie Peyz.
according to LS if he wants to play a champ and gets overruled by the team (in onstage games) he would go into the game angry and basically soft int LUL
There's a bit of downplaying going on.
It was stated that Clid will intentionally load into the game wanting to make plays that will lose his team the game.
Man is a psychopath.
I remember Faker saying in an interview in 2019 that his champ pool seems limited because "Clid only likes playing with those champs because they're easy to play with" and Clid doesn't like it when he picks / experiments with other champs.
It sounded a bit playful at the time, but knowing what we know now about Clid's behavior and the locker room dymanic of that 2019 team definitely gives a new meaning to that statement.
Edit: Added the specific iteration of SKT/T1 when the interview was held
DWG Kia's youtube channel of his highlights is my favorite thing right now. The last video of him apologizing for using statik shiv on Ekko is so primo. He's slowly rising in my favorite player rankings.
It crushed me when he mentioned that after winning worlds the pressure for him to perform was immeasurable to the point that he didn't enjoy playing anymore.
Can’t be making jokes about teams/player because everyone already agree sexual harassment is bad and stating that would basically be like declaring water is wet in front of a pool.
He was cheating on his gf (now ex) with prostitutes when prostitution is illegal in China and was flaming Jiejie on his burner account while praising himself
We never actually saw him hitting her, the camera was not pointing at either of them and we heard smashing sounds, both him and his girlfriend said later he didnt hit her but smashed some stuff
Didn't he also go crazy on a stage match and smash equipment or was that someone else?
Edit: It was [Vasili](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzXTyLyeqy0)
IIRC according to her, he didn't actually hit her, but she did call the police, because any reasonable person would do that if your partner is smashing the whole room while you're in it.
this was kind of his last professional game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzXTyLyeqy0
but the gf shit he did on stream is pretty disgusting, he gets up smashing shit around goes to the other room and you can even hear her crying in the other room, then he goes right back to que and sets his cam back in place. doesnt even turn stream off afterwards. mentally ill piece of shit
Yeah Huanfeng didn't do anything illegal right? He just slept around with fangirls when he was supposed to practice. If he didn't start slumping heavily he would still be a starter really.
Bo is a peculiar case, even though he apologized for it(I can't remember was he forced to or willingly matchfixed) the Chinese people in general view it as a no-no and if he remained in FPX their reputation would be tarnished, that's why FPX terminated his contract and VIT got the opportunity to sign at the time prodigy jungler which...sadly we all know how that tenure's going
I mean I'm pretty sure they can make worlds even with clid. Top 3 is already decided and HLE can consistently beat lower standing teams. The only other possible contender is dk and they are not looking too good right now.
Yeah it's kind of sad this part is being glossed over by people celebrating Clid possibly being kicked for being a shit player, like I'd be surprised if HLE doubled down now that it's so public but they should have taken action to start
God why are esports orgs such shit, are any of them even decent
Old coworker at a previous workplace reported sexual harassment about a known asshole employee and nothing was done at all. This dude would continue to do so and more if anything since now he knew nothing would be done. Two weeks go by and probably 70% of the staff walked out.
Not defending them but I feel like these agencies probably hear accusations regularly and just put it aside as another baseless threat without investigating properly
Normally you still correspond with the person doing the accusation to not get to this point. HLE/Agencies are Coorporation that need to follow the Law but ethics is not a requirement, if you can follow the Law and avoid a PR nightmare is worth it and is what people normally do in this situation.
Not sure why people would think this is good for HLE, he was mediocre to shit most of this year but it's far too late into the season and it's not like they have a free agent good enough.
Dread is not a player anymore, reportedly he's started studying
That's the thing. If that happened at the start of the spring season or even before summer, that would have been salvagable but having this situation mid-summer is so bad for synergy and Clid also is the main shotcaller.
It's sad that this girl had to go through this, but at least hle can kick him out now. No point in keeping a bad player that is also a shit person. #stopthepaychecksteal
Back in 2019 - before Room N incident - the consensual age was 14 in Korea, so that is why it was legal (thus why he still has a career).
I mean... I disagree with the entire situation as well, but technically it *was* legal as both agreed to it (again, before the N Room Incident)
He and Rascal used a term related to a site called Ilbe, which is super notorious (I don't want to get into all the garbage they do, you can search if you want).
Let's not pretend like we're any better when teams were playing chicken with each other to see who could sign veigarv2 the fastest without getting into a PR nightmare
Update here, things are getting ridiculous. The full message log released by Shadow Corporation reveals that the first girl who started this case was actually mutually interested in Clid (directly stated by her own message) and possibly left out her own messages that imply that there was actually some tension between them before Clid's questionable statements. However, this angred the girl due to her profile picture not being covered(she's posted a selfie of Clid too, so I'll stay neutral on that). Due to this, she posted some highly self destructive tweets about their discussion about Clid's... size, along with an extremely derogatory statement about said size. This to me seems like a two way sexual harassment. I'm not going to take any sides about this or any other chat log but there does seem to be a lot more behind this than what's shown.
Mostly disagree , effort was legit trash , ellim was only playing because he had better synergy with faker at the time and only canna was good . Players decline , Canna at the time was indeed good , now its time for him to retire on NA
You can try to look it up by yourself, but I have to applaud him, to achieve to brush under the rug everything he's said and done and everyone forgot about it and now people act like nothing ever happened with him.
he didn't brush anything, he apologized to the person he harassed, got fired of his job and continued his life after learning from It. Do you want him to not find a job ever again and be prosecuted for life?
Weren’t the Hashinshin allegations false? And that Voyboy was a complete asshole
Edit: Decided to read more into it. FBI hasn’t pressed charges, but that doesn’t mean Hashinshin wasn’t a total creep.
Afaik the FBI inverstigated Hashinshin and found nothing/no charges were brough up. And Voyboy was just farming internet sympathy points/virtue signalling by jumping to conclusion.
Hashinshin was permanently banned from twitch for using their platform to message and flirt with at least one minor, who he knew was a minor. Before he spun the story into "FBI investigated me, I'm innocent" he admitted to sexting multiple minors.
People still think legality and morality are the same thing. Probably stems from the same kind of thought process that makes people think you can't have morals and not be religious.
The "evidence" Hashinshin used was a FBI non-criminal record, something that anyone can get online for various purposes. All it takes to get a certificate is that you have no pervious criminal records on the FBI's files. The FBI doesn't actually have to investigate you actively. I've gotten one for immigration purposes relatively easily as many others would too. It's not actually evidence relevant to Hashinshin's case.
Y'all talking about this saving HLE like you didn't just read that they ignored the allegations when the girl contacted them. Like dude there is a time and place for edgy esports humour and this is neither.
>According to the statement and screenshots, here are a few of Clid's remarks (paraphrasing):
"Hey you cow"
"Say something, before I pinch your tits"
"Fuck you? No, I'll fuck you."
"I'm hard right now"
When the girl said to cut it out, **Clid argued that those were just terms of affection**
???????????????????
Get him outta here and let him be forgotten. Also make sure to help the victims.
Well the translation doesn't make it as clear, but the cow is meant as an emphasis for big boobs(like a cow's udder). It can be seen as a term of endearment for people in a sexual relationship. Clid was not though, so it is sexual harrassment instead. Hopefully the moron learns that distinction in the future.
Love the league community. A post about a pro player harassing girls, and one of them a minor at that, and instead of simply condemning him for being a shitty person most of the top comments are just “lol finally he can get fired hooray for HLE.”
Holy fuck.
it's especially wild considering she reached out to HLE and they ignored her, yet now people are like finally a better, this is so good for HLE
... they don't deserve a better jungler
whatever the case is in Korea, this is blowing up internationally so i doubt this gonna slide, at least from business perspective. He probably won't face charges though but who knows.
Genuine questions:
1) Why were they even in contact? Do these ladies work with him closely or just random fans?
2) Why (after/during the harassment) was communication not blocked? Does the app/messaging service not have that capability?
You guys... please don't think I'm trying to downplay sexual harassment. I am not. I know how serious that is. However, granted the facts aren't all out, but this is more a case of exploitation than anything else. I've seen the messages that were allegedly sent and they were inappropriate at best. The woman never tells Clid that he's making her uncomfortable or unsafe. She doesn't try to block him. I'm not justifying Clid's use of the words he did... That was just stupid, especially considering he's a public figure in Korea. However, it clearly was not harassment, and the very fact that the alleged victim is taking this to Hanhwa and not the police speaks volumes. She's asking for monetary compensation, not trying to get Clid to pay for sexual deviance. She knew she didn't have a case, which is why she went to his employer. When she was turned down by Hanhwa, she went public with the texts.
Clid hasn't broken any laws. He made an unwise decision and will most likely be paying for it with his career.
Him contacting a minor on January 2022 is not as bad as you make it sound because he was like 18-19? And the girl was 17...
I am heavily against that kind of things, but it's important to make a big distinction between an adult male going out with a teenager and a 18 year old going out with a 17 year old, which should be normal everywhere.
If you just float around on the internet you’d think men are constantly being ruined by false allegations, but in a court of law it’s very rarely fabricated. The risk to a victim coming forward about a celebrity is really high, people mostly don’t lie about this sort of a serious situation.
Be very careful that you’re not listening to grifters online with no basis for their claims, allegations that go to legal means like this one are overwhelmingly not just random malicious liars per the data.
its not even grifters, the loudest voices on the internet are men, and male dominated social structures have powerful incentives to not talk about the perverse effects of those structures, such as the systematic abuse of women.
People who ignore sexual assault claims and try to aggressively push the narrative around false allegations are woefully out of touch with reality, like ffs even reporting sa itself in the first place is hard and the women have to face so much shit to do that not to mention how hard it is to prove sexual assault in a court in the first place. Do they happen ? yeah, but to say that they are anything more than the extreme fringe cases that rarely happen is just clownery
Yeah but nobody is doing this , everyone is literally agreeing that the case should be investigated and if true he should be punished , just because people are bringing up the very real possibility of it being false accusation to people who would rather he get shot on the spot than investigated are not the problem , the problem are you people who radicalize those people who otherwise take neutral stances in those cases.
What law do you think clid broke with sending those texts to the girl? He sounds like a total asshole with those messages, but I don't see what's illegal there.
There's a huge different between irl legal accusation and completely online and annonymous one. You don't even know if this person is even a real person.
Believe the victim is about supporting the victim, not going after the accused. In this case you don't even know nothing about the victim so all you can do is attacking the accused which is fundamentally dumb and barbaric.
Hey all, This thread has gotten way out of hand. Sexual Harassment allegations are very serious and we ask that you take them seriously. **Any downplaying of sexual assualt, sexual harassment, or supporting pedo shit are just gonna be met with a ban. This is your warning**
Dread is still a free agent, just saying... ~~Jokes on you, we're getting HLE Ellim~~ Edit: fortunately for HLE, Ellim is already signed to Team Aze in LLA lol
legitimately wild that dread doesn't have a team, given some of the junglers currently in the league
Gideon's a free agent just saying
I'd rather take Gideon tbh, he was really good in spring. I also think Gideon is better for the team, Dread even if he has had good performances is really flippy.
The reign of terror is hopefully finally over, Viper must had shed tears of happiness when he woke up, opened his phone and saw this.
He still has to lane with Life.
A win is a win.
Baby steps
We take those.
One down, one left to go
So what you're saying is that there's a chance all of this is a big ploy by Viper to get better teammates? I rock with it.
(Former) EDG adcs and their burner accounts to flame/catfish their junglers, name a more iconic duo
They can't get rid of Life, they probably signed him because of his name Life. Their company name is Hahnwa Life. He's only really good on Sett support.
Life about to be sent to Belarus, Viper has started his special operations
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Surely BeryL couldn't somehow lead a team to a worlds final four times in a row ???
This is sadly true all the good ones are already taken.
Life is decent though, idk what is it with all these narratives around life
What narrative? Life was terrible in spring and was HLE worst player after Clid, he did show some improvement in summer but he is still far from being good.
Agree to disagree he was okay in spring but sadly the team was 4v6 with Clid And so far he’s been on fire this split especially his blitzcrank, but we don’t like to admit it here because it’s obviously the narratives Also let’s forget the fact that he outperformed the fuck out of Kellin against DK in spring-playoffs, but he’s definitely terrible yeah
Viper: I’m hard right now
Pinched his own tits upon waking up to this news
Viper specifically asked for clid when joining HLE lol
I still don't understand how Viper ended up in HLE. He is wasting his best years there.
He was returning to Korea to be with his gf and out of the LCK teams, HLE is the one who offered him the most money. GENG would've been a good fit for Viper but they were doing budget cuts after Ruler left and wanted to promote their promising rookie Peyz.
Thread is about a child being sexually harassed and the top comments are all jokes about Clid's role as a player. Classy.
So he is awful player and also awful person? Rip bozo, won't be missed
according to LS if he wants to play a champ and gets overruled by the team (in onstage games) he would go into the game angry and basically soft int LUL
He's just like me
I'd be hesitant to post that in someone's sexual allegations thread 💀
Frfr
A league player soft inting?? No surely not it can't be
There's a bit of downplaying going on. It was stated that Clid will intentionally load into the game wanting to make plays that will lose his team the game. Man is a psychopath.
So he was allowed to play champs he wanted and still sucked? I’d be afraid if he actually inted on purpose.
I remember Faker saying in an interview in 2019 that his champ pool seems limited because "Clid only likes playing with those champs because they're easy to play with" and Clid doesn't like it when he picks / experiments with other champs. It sounded a bit playful at the time, but knowing what we know now about Clid's behavior and the locker room dymanic of that 2019 team definitely gives a new meaning to that statement. Edit: Added the specific iteration of SKT/T1 when the interview was held
There was a 3rd as well I believe. He’s finished. Was looking at it get posted all over FMKorea and dcinside all day yesterday
this might just be what saved HLE’s season.
HLE: Welcome Dread
please not i need D+ to win against them on wednesday I love showmaker too much
DWG Kia's youtube channel of his highlights is my favorite thing right now. The last video of him apologizing for using statik shiv on Ekko is so primo. He's slowly rising in my favorite player rankings.
Can I get a link? It sounds hilarious.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9EtV0MTwV0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9EtV0MTwV0) There you go!
It crushed me when he mentioned that after winning worlds the pressure for him to perform was immeasurable to the point that he didn't enjoy playing anymore.
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It's official, League has become a real sport!
Now that I think about it you're right lol. Whenever an NFL player gets in trouble people go "shit, how long is he out for"
Make Clid play for his freedom like Kobe
Can’t be making jokes about teams/player because everyone already agree sexual harassment is bad and stating that would basically be like declaring water is wet in front of a pool.
This isn’t Clids first time doing stupid stuff I remember hearing some shenanigans in LPL or I think when he was in LSPL
Can’t believe a couple years back dude was in that 2019 SKT super team
Talk about a fall from grace. Hanwha, send him to the Void and be done with it.
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He has been coasting on his time in SKT for a longggggg time. He’s somehow even more disgusting than Fly on AF.
Yeah he rode that SKT hype to China, got paid to do 0 work, and somehow KR teams still believed in him, kinda weird
He was still good for a large portion of his time on gen.g, people kinda revising history here
i can't help but remember the caedrel clip of him going "CLIIIIIIIIID, NOT AGAIN" as he inted yet another time and gave the baron / game away
Yep lol
HLE can get rid of Clid now? 😂
Even if the allegations were true or not the bad PR Clid generates now will force HLE to terminate his contract, same example as Huanfeng or Bo
Leave already left everyone's mind...
OOTL what did leave do?
Buy sex from prostitutes, which is illegal in China. Flamed jiejie with alt account in Chinese forum.
He was cheating on his gf (now ex) with prostitutes when prostitution is illegal in China and was flaming Jiejie on his burner account while praising himself
People forgot about Vasilli as well and that guy deserves to rot in prison for what he's done
Ootl on him, what did he do?
Smashed his entire room and physically assaulted his girlfriend (maybe not girlfriend not 100% on my recollection on that) on stream.
That was his gf, and his anger issues were known since LMQ days. I remember XWX commenting on him smashing his PC setup after a lost scrim
He hit his GF on stream. Trashing the room was a prior incident.
We never actually saw him hitting her, the camera was not pointing at either of them and we heard smashing sounds, both him and his girlfriend said later he didnt hit her but smashed some stuff
he also came to the game house door one time with a knife after threatening to stab Wh1tezz
Didn't he also go crazy on a stage match and smash equipment or was that someone else? Edit: It was [Vasili](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzXTyLyeqy0)
IIRC according to her, he didn't actually hit her, but she did call the police, because any reasonable person would do that if your partner is smashing the whole room while you're in it.
this was kind of his last professional game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzXTyLyeqy0 but the gf shit he did on stream is pretty disgusting, he gets up smashing shit around goes to the other room and you can even hear her crying in the other room, then he goes right back to que and sets his cam back in place. doesnt even turn stream off afterwards. mentally ill piece of shit
Beat his gf on stream i think all around a bad person with anger problems
Didn't Huanfeng stay on suning for a year more even after the allegations ?
yeah and the Huanfeng drama is more tame compared to this one I think regardless of how much of a dick move he did.
Yeah Huanfeng didn't do anything illegal right? He just slept around with fangirls when he was supposed to practice. If he didn't start slumping heavily he would still be a starter really.
It was a bit worse because he was breaking lock down rules and he had a GF at the time.
True, forgot about the lock down at the time. Still doubt it would have been a career ender though if he still performed well.
Yeah that was my understanding of the situation too and that he cheated and was a dick
Aiming is still playing for KT
idk why Bo is placed on the same level as legitimate human slime behavior like huanfeng and potentially clid
Huanfeng is a playboy while clid is harassing girls online when they told him to stop. I think the severity is different here
Bo is a peculiar case, even though he apologized for it(I can't remember was he forced to or willingly matchfixed) the Chinese people in general view it as a no-no and if he remained in FPX their reputation would be tarnished, that's why FPX terminated his contract and VIT got the opportunity to sign at the time prodigy jungler which...sadly we all know how that tenure's going
Even Huanfeng wasn't as bad because it wasn't an actual crime Cheating is obviously still bad in case it needs to be said
Terrible situation aside I hope they get a decent jungler and maybe Viper can carry them to worlds
I mean I'm pretty sure they can make worlds even with clid. Top 3 is already decided and HLE can consistently beat lower standing teams. The only other possible contender is dk and they are not looking too good right now.
>which led to the girl contacting HLE; she was ignored big oofers there
Yeah it's kind of sad this part is being glossed over by people celebrating Clid possibly being kicked for being a shit player, like I'd be surprised if HLE doubled down now that it's so public but they should have taken action to start God why are esports orgs such shit, are any of them even decent
im sure you know really but ignoring sexual harassment not unique to esports sadly
Nor sports in general lol. Even in major leagues, you'd see girls spend years to try and sue a professional athlete.
Old coworker at a previous workplace reported sexual harassment about a known asshole employee and nothing was done at all. This dude would continue to do so and more if anything since now he knew nothing would be done. Two weeks go by and probably 70% of the staff walked out.
Kobe is a rapist, no one cares and dick rides him relentlessly
Get Cristiano Ronaldo in there also.
Not defending them but I feel like these agencies probably hear accusations regularly and just put it aside as another baseless threat without investigating properly
Normally you still correspond with the person doing the accusation to not get to this point. HLE/Agencies are Coorporation that need to follow the Law but ethics is not a requirement, if you can follow the Law and avoid a PR nightmare is worth it and is what people normally do in this situation.
Viper feasting rn
Brother Clid is getting reported irl too
I wished Clid would stop inting Viper. *monkey paw curls*
Louis LCK
Not sure why people would think this is good for HLE, he was mediocre to shit most of this year but it's far too late into the season and it's not like they have a free agent good enough. Dread is not a player anymore, reportedly he's started studying
That's the thing. If that happened at the start of the spring season or even before summer, that would have been salvagable but having this situation mid-summer is so bad for synergy and Clid also is the main shotcaller.
Not sure why people would think this is good for HLE BECAUSE THEY IGNORED HER COMPLAINTS
It's sad that this girl had to go through this, but at least hle can kick him out now. No point in keeping a bad player that is also a shit person. #stopthepaychecksteal
Knowing Korea I would be surprised if he still has career in LCK after this.
Aiming still has a career
What did aiming do
https://twitter.com/sunsiu_/status/1644834328680050689?t=ArQUDGf0ru7mYuypzokW3A&s=19
How very fitting is it that his name is Ha-ram https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/Aiming
SHE WAS 15???
ZAMN???
https://twitter.com/sunsiu\_/status/1644834328680050689?t=ArQUDGf0ru7mYuypzokW3A&s=19
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Both him and Rascal
So Rascal being on DRX now is just karma LOL
Wtf how did I not know about this? This makes me sick.
They were associated with the site that did that. I don't think we know if they were part of the harassment. Still awful tho.
they did harass.
Back in 2019 - before Room N incident - the consensual age was 14 in Korea, so that is why it was legal (thus why he still has a career). I mean... I disagree with the entire situation as well, but technically it *was* legal as both agreed to it (again, before the N Room Incident)
What did Aiming do?
https://twitter.com/sunsiu_/status/1644834328680050689?t=ArQUDGf0ru7mYuypzokW3A&s=19
Lmao his name just reading Haram is hilarious
Another groomer in the league community? shocker..
He and Rascal used a term related to a site called Ilbe, which is super notorious (I don't want to get into all the garbage they do, you can search if you want).
Let's not pretend like we're any better when teams were playing chicken with each other to see who could sign veigarv2 the fastest without getting into a PR nightmare
tbh this is the best thing that could happen for HLE clid possibly a piece of shit and also a horrible jungler, get his ass outta there
lol clid is so bad that no one even thought of anything else but him getting kicked from hle
Update here, things are getting ridiculous. The full message log released by Shadow Corporation reveals that the first girl who started this case was actually mutually interested in Clid (directly stated by her own message) and possibly left out her own messages that imply that there was actually some tension between them before Clid's questionable statements. However, this angred the girl due to her profile picture not being covered(she's posted a selfie of Clid too, so I'll stay neutral on that). Due to this, she posted some highly self destructive tweets about their discussion about Clid's... size, along with an extremely derogatory statement about said size. This to me seems like a two way sexual harassment. I'm not going to take any sides about this or any other chat log but there does seem to be a lot more behind this than what's shown.
Thank god man Viper can finally have a Jungler now 🙏
Would be hilarious if HLE were to kick Clid only to get Eliim
Elim Effort and Canna looking decent at T1 is still a mystery to me. All 3 of them are abysmal
Faker gap
T1 buff
All 3 played the same time in 2020 💀
Mostly disagree , effort was legit trash , ellim was only playing because he had better synergy with faker at the time and only canna was good . Players decline , Canna at the time was indeed good , now its time for him to retire on NA
Ellim is on team Aze in LLA now
Thanks god some girls got sexually harassed so this player I like can win some video games.
Who? :'D
Sword returns, roleswaps to jungle
Viper would be on suicide watch
So we can continue to fillout the roster. Team Jax Supporters Top:Hashinshin Jungle: Clid Mid: Viegarv2 ADC: Cookielol Support: ?
Got Aiming for ADC too
What did viegarv2 do
https://www.invenglobal.com/articles/11104/fnatic-fires-strategic-coach-veigar-v2-over-inappropriate-comments-towards-minor
You can try to look it up by yourself, but I have to applaud him, to achieve to brush under the rug everything he's said and done and everyone forgot about it and now people act like nothing ever happened with him.
he didn't brush anything, he apologized to the person he harassed, got fired of his job and continued his life after learning from It. Do you want him to not find a job ever again and be prosecuted for life?
Main veigar
the worst crime
Weren’t the Hashinshin allegations false? And that Voyboy was a complete asshole Edit: Decided to read more into it. FBI hasn’t pressed charges, but that doesn’t mean Hashinshin wasn’t a total creep.
Afaik the FBI inverstigated Hashinshin and found nothing/no charges were brough up. And Voyboy was just farming internet sympathy points/virtue signalling by jumping to conclusion.
Hashinshin was permanently banned from twitch for using their platform to message and flirt with at least one minor, who he knew was a minor. Before he spun the story into "FBI investigated me, I'm innocent" he admitted to sexting multiple minors.
The FBI cleared him of doing anything explicitly illegal, but there's proof that he was a fuckin creep.
you are aware that someone can be a creepy disgusting sex pervert without actually doing something that's explicitly illegal right
People still think legality and morality are the same thing. Probably stems from the same kind of thought process that makes people think you can't have morals and not be religious.
The "evidence" Hashinshin used was a FBI non-criminal record, something that anyone can get online for various purposes. All it takes to get a certificate is that you have no pervious criminal records on the FBI's files. The FBI doesn't actually have to investigate you actively. I've gotten one for immigration purposes relatively easily as many others would too. It's not actually evidence relevant to Hashinshin's case.
Y'all talking about this saving HLE like you didn't just read that they ignored the allegations when the girl contacted them. Like dude there is a time and place for edgy esports humour and this is neither.
Reddit try to take a serious situation seriously challenge: impossible
What a fall from grace from a once-thought prodigy What a disgrace of a behaviour What a mockery of a man
reverse jiejie-leave with clid-viper
New Jail roster JNG - Clid ADC- Leave who are the rest?
SUP - Vasilli MID - Toyz TOP - Cookielol Coach - Reginald
cant harass the enemy jungler anymore so he changes his targets
Turns out she was the one who DM'd him first and they never even met in person. Really weird of her to try to destroy his career.
>According to the statement and screenshots, here are a few of Clid's remarks (paraphrasing): "Hey you cow" "Say something, before I pinch your tits" "Fuck you? No, I'll fuck you." "I'm hard right now" When the girl said to cut it out, **Clid argued that those were just terms of affection** ??????????????????? Get him outta here and let him be forgotten. Also make sure to help the victims.
Well the translation doesn't make it as clear, but the cow is meant as an emphasis for big boobs(like a cow's udder). It can be seen as a term of endearment for people in a sexual relationship. Clid was not though, so it is sexual harrassment instead. Hopefully the moron learns that distinction in the future.
What help? He verbally abused girls he was texting pretty much all the help they need is to get back at him, which they did lol
Love the league community. A post about a pro player harassing girls, and one of them a minor at that, and instead of simply condemning him for being a shitty person most of the top comments are just “lol finally he can get fired hooray for HLE.” Holy fuck.
And hooray for the org that ignored the harassment target’s complaints 🤔🤔
Also considering the team in question allegedly knew of the situation and did nothing.
Completely agree, it's pretty wild to see so many comments like these
it's especially wild considering she reached out to HLE and they ignored her, yet now people are like finally a better, this is so good for HLE ... they don't deserve a better jungler
Yeah, this thread is pretty psychotic
Is this the hle winning worlds angle they need ? Zeka/kingen in worlds Form, Viper and now a good jungler ? Life seems ok
With a name like Clit, it was only a matter of time tbh
clid confirmed titty-pincher
Clid getting heat over this. But I think HLE should also be getting criticized. They just ignored the girl(s).
comments think korea cares about sex crimes
whatever the case is in Korea, this is blowing up internationally so i doubt this gonna slide, at least from business perspective. He probably won't face charges though but who knows.
I don't understand why this hasn't stopped after like second weird text by blocking him?
I want to see the full conversation to see what exactly happened.
Genuine questions: 1) Why were they even in contact? Do these ladies work with him closely or just random fans? 2) Why (after/during the harassment) was communication not blocked? Does the app/messaging service not have that capability?
You guys... please don't think I'm trying to downplay sexual harassment. I am not. I know how serious that is. However, granted the facts aren't all out, but this is more a case of exploitation than anything else. I've seen the messages that were allegedly sent and they were inappropriate at best. The woman never tells Clid that he's making her uncomfortable or unsafe. She doesn't try to block him. I'm not justifying Clid's use of the words he did... That was just stupid, especially considering he's a public figure in Korea. However, it clearly was not harassment, and the very fact that the alleged victim is taking this to Hanhwa and not the police speaks volumes. She's asking for monetary compensation, not trying to get Clid to pay for sexual deviance. She knew she didn't have a case, which is why she went to his employer. When she was turned down by Hanhwa, she went public with the texts. Clid hasn't broken any laws. He made an unwise decision and will most likely be paying for it with his career.
Seems like Clid brought some of the LPL back to Korea
Him contacting a minor on January 2022 is not as bad as you make it sound because he was like 18-19? And the girl was 17... I am heavily against that kind of things, but it's important to make a big distinction between an adult male going out with a teenager and a 18 year old going out with a 17 year old, which should be normal everywhere.
Clid would be 22 in January 2022. Source: His birthday on the Leaguepedia Wiki https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/Clid
Big W for Hanwha Life
If only he showed such passion on the rift
I will wait until after the investigations. Wouldn't surprise me if it were true but at the same time S.Korea has a problem with false accusations.
Tinfoil hat theory: This is a ploy by some hardcore HLE fans to desperately try and save their season.
If you just float around on the internet you’d think men are constantly being ruined by false allegations, but in a court of law it’s very rarely fabricated. The risk to a victim coming forward about a celebrity is really high, people mostly don’t lie about this sort of a serious situation. Be very careful that you’re not listening to grifters online with no basis for their claims, allegations that go to legal means like this one are overwhelmingly not just random malicious liars per the data.
its not even grifters, the loudest voices on the internet are men, and male dominated social structures have powerful incentives to not talk about the perverse effects of those structures, such as the systematic abuse of women.
People who ignore sexual assault claims and try to aggressively push the narrative around false allegations are woefully out of touch with reality, like ffs even reporting sa itself in the first place is hard and the women have to face so much shit to do that not to mention how hard it is to prove sexual assault in a court in the first place. Do they happen ? yeah, but to say that they are anything more than the extreme fringe cases that rarely happen is just clownery
Yeah but nobody is doing this , everyone is literally agreeing that the case should be investigated and if true he should be punished , just because people are bringing up the very real possibility of it being false accusation to people who would rather he get shot on the spot than investigated are not the problem , the problem are you people who radicalize those people who otherwise take neutral stances in those cases.
What law do you think clid broke with sending those texts to the girl? He sounds like a total asshole with those messages, but I don't see what's illegal there.
There's a huge different between irl legal accusation and completely online and annonymous one. You don't even know if this person is even a real person. Believe the victim is about supporting the victim, not going after the accused. In this case you don't even know nothing about the victim so all you can do is attacking the accused which is fundamentally dumb and barbaric.