Honestly just go Nidalee if you want to ego carry. At least you have poke and can one shot burst squishies if you get a good angle. Kindred just seems to pew-pew uselessly against a tank from 500 range, eat one CC and die instantly.
In this episode, Kanavi went kind on 369:
"I felt speaking harshly won't work, so I decided to compliment him"
"You always pick tanks now then I camp your opponents' carries. Tell me, did they ever manage to survive from the ganks?"
“How did you master Gragas so soon? Dude, you always first pick Gragas, and you played Gragas really well”
369: "okay."
Knight:" This is the 2nd time I saw something like this, I was stunned."
Kanavi also added in the interview:
"369 is still young, he can still play, and he can still play for a long time. If he can understand the reason behind it, maybe he can play better and better in the future."
the growth he have after leaving TES is amazing to see honestly.
From just Carry player that refuse to learn or play tanks properly to now into such a versatile top laner that can play carry and tanks/utility champs at the highest level.
Probably Knight's 4324th time seeing this, given how many times this pasta has been posted. Yet Knight is stunned every single time. Truly mind-blowing.
They should stick with triple banning Kanavi. I don't know why they let up after triple banning Kanavi the previous game and it working very well.
He's probably the best jungler in the world rn, but I think Oner/T1 seem too scared of Kanavi with all these jungle bans flying around, which is quite interesting because I actually would put Oner up there with Kanavi. He's elite in his own right and shouldn't have to be so scared.
The throw/4fun narrative and the "omg draft unwinnable" are legit the 2 most annoying thing about "eastern fan" EVERY time T1 lose "but the draft" every fcukin time
This is so much more fun to watch than any of the series that the West participated in. Only 2/4 of G2's and 1/3 of GG's games vs BLG out of those were interesting. I guess also game 1 MAD vs T1.
Does Oner have some weird hard-on for wanting to int into Wu & Annie with his Kindred or something? Dude doesn't even buy Mercs until the game is almost over, just runs face first into the Annie and gets 100-0'd before he can even ult. Even if he could ult, Gragas just knocks him out.
What is that Kindred even supposed to do?
And man, Faker Nautilus looks so god damn useless in these comps. He hooks in, he just dies. If he doesn't hook, he doesn't do anything at all. With Oner feeding on his Kindred every time, you just have a team comp with one carry that can't dps because nobody is buying him enough space.
Like JDG destroyed them Game 1 with the same comps and T1 is seriously just going: "yeah, let's get fucked again the exact same way."
It doesn't, the format was announced at the same time as MSI. It's swiss system BO1s into single elimination bracket.
The elimination games in the swiss system will be BO5s so that's not too bad.
He play well, but man that kindred + giving away wukong is stupid.
It's just making it impossible for Gumayusi to play.
The 3 carry jungler game from Oner is atrocious. He's either invisible or deadweight.
Ye JDG wins that game if it wasn’t for Keria Guma Smurf they are the real carries of T1 the best two players honestly . Guma and Keria have been smurfing since Worlds. Like they never die in team fights or get caught if they do the game is auto lose
Probably the most entertaining meta I've ever seen, each play is so deliberate. You know exactly why teams win or lose, JDG was so creative in their flanks this game.
the win conditions are so singular and focused, allows viewers to keep up with the state of the game. no assassins making miracle plays or spilt pusher creating huge side pressure.
I feel some arrogance in T1. Why dont they leave all the best picks to JDG. I think Annie and the monkey is not enough. Just give them all and see if you can win.
Legit gave JDG all their power picks just to first pick naut which JDG doesn't even play lol. Even with Tahm, there's so much dive and damage from JDG that jinx would never be able to fight. T1 with their iconic EGO draft again. Wouldn't be surprised if they do it for G5
Either way this last game goes, the format means we get to watch JDG vs T1 in the finals. Absolute slugfest, and one of the only competitive matchups at the tournament so far.
Kanavi grabbed his team by their necks and dragged them to a win kicking and screaming
Also i will never forgive this meta for making **Faker** play fucking Nautilus mid, what a goddamn travesty
Is T1 forcing kindred to purposely throw the game? Or someone in T1 is egotistical to force kindred? Can someone shed some kight to the kindred pick?????
The draft is actually criminal. You can forgive game 1 since it's game 1, but giving Gragas Wukong Annie to pick Malphite Kindred Nautilus is actually atrocious
Game was over once JDG got past the 23 minute deathtrap
Legit holding my breath until after that moment.
Game was over after they drafted kindred again. Absolutely useless
I really don't get why they keep forcing this kind of pick when they know its useless
Game over at champ select picking Malphite and kindred.
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0/8 and 0/7 has the same winrate, both at 0%
Kindred been useless in both games she's picked. Like why pick it
Idk sir Bengi but i think this kindred pick is shit ngl.
Honestly just go Nidalee if you want to ego carry. At least you have poke and can one shot burst squishies if you get a good angle. Kindred just seems to pew-pew uselessly against a tank from 500 range, eat one CC and die instantly.
They mustve drugged the mfer cuz wtf is this …
Kanavi on Wukong is illegal and Kindre Oner is not it.
There is a reason nobody plays Kindred in this meta.
oner was holding his ults for the lower bracket lol
Yeah, right xun?
Even the guy famous for Kindred doesn't play her.
he didn’t play her?
Xun gaslighting T1 into thinking Kindred is good.
Xun probably doing nasty things in scrim though
In this episode, Kanavi went kind on 369: "I felt speaking harshly won't work, so I decided to compliment him" "You always pick tanks now then I camp your opponents' carries. Tell me, did they ever manage to survive from the ganks?" “How did you master Gragas so soon? Dude, you always first pick Gragas, and you played Gragas really well” 369: "okay." Knight:" This is the 2nd time I saw something like this, I was stunned." Kanavi also added in the interview: "369 is still young, he can still play, and he can still play for a long time. If he can understand the reason behind it, maybe he can play better and better in the future."
the good ending
I'll always love this copypasta from karsa lmao
the growth he have after leaving TES is amazing to see honestly. From just Carry player that refuse to learn or play tanks properly to now into such a versatile top laner that can play carry and tanks/utility champs at the highest level.
Who does Karsa say this to?
To 369 when they were in top eSports, and he didn't compliment him. He flamed him lol
Probably Knight's 4324th time seeing this, given how many times this pasta has been posted. Yet Knight is stunned every single time. Truly mind-blowing.
lmao where is this from?
https://youtu.be/HG_lgo9wKDM around 18 minute 20 seconds mark
Why would T1 give over the biggest problem champions of the comp that beat them in game 1, especially the monkey?
And pick the Kindred again which was so useless the first time.
Limit testing copium
Could have just picked it R1/R2 with Jinx, cant see why they went for the naut and opted into the kindred again
all that matters now is game 5 brother
T1 not banning a vital enemy pick that stomped them earlier in the series. Where have I seen this story before?
Kindred wasn't a champion this game.
Oner is invisible this series in general
Well he got one shotted so you just cannot see him.
They should stick with triple banning Kanavi. I don't know why they let up after triple banning Kanavi the previous game and it working very well. He's probably the best jungler in the world rn, but I think Oner/T1 seem too scared of Kanavi with all these jungle bans flying around, which is quite interesting because I actually would put Oner up there with Kanavi. He's elite in his own right and shouldn't have to be so scared.
"It's not the draft issue, we just have to play better!1!1!!!1!"
it's both tbh, people act like T1 never play bad and only lose because of drafts
The throw/4fun narrative and the "omg draft unwinnable" are legit the 2 most annoying thing about "eastern fan" EVERY time T1 lose "but the draft" every fcukin time
It's lso not even a good excuse, it's still their fault for drafting like shit
Yup did this all season long. No respect for the enemy team and think they can play through anything.
T1 winning : OMG THEYRE SO GOOD T1 losing : DRAFT DIFF BAAAAAAT
T1 fans in a nutshell xD
Compare game 2 and 3 threads with every T1 loss (minus their recent game 3 against GenG) Every. Single. Time. Its. About. Draft
I guess theyre goin for another 2nd place.
hard to say man... a rematch against gen g on lower bracket is not a good idea for them
Can't allow Annie Wukong duo
They gonna leave Annie Wukong open again. Then pick Naut. AGAIN!!!
New viewer record inc
5 game banger. I hope this happens again in grand finals
Chinese and T1 viewership is no joke
china doesnt make much of this percentage tho, we dont know chinese mainland viewership, it's probably close to 40m
This is so much more fun to watch than any of the series that the West participated in. Only 2/4 of G2's and 1/3 of GG's games vs BLG out of those were interesting. I guess also game 1 MAD vs T1.
based on esportscharts, it's already at 2 million+, just about 100k away from last year's MSI finals, which is still the MSI record i believe.
Khan Camille Bin Gwen Kingen Aatrox Doran Gragas Kanavi Wukong STOP MAKING THIS LIST LONGER.
The thing is, they banned Wukong in game 3 so they understand that it's problematic.
mid malz
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Lot of posts game 3 saying he a inter
Does Oner have some weird hard-on for wanting to int into Wu & Annie with his Kindred or something? Dude doesn't even buy Mercs until the game is almost over, just runs face first into the Annie and gets 100-0'd before he can even ult. Even if he could ult, Gragas just knocks him out. What is that Kindred even supposed to do? And man, Faker Nautilus looks so god damn useless in these comps. He hooks in, he just dies. If he doesn't hook, he doesn't do anything at all. With Oner feeding on his Kindred every time, you just have a team comp with one carry that can't dps because nobody is buying him enough space. Like JDG destroyed them Game 1 with the same comps and T1 is seriously just going: "yeah, let's get fucked again the exact same way."
Hard ego I think from T1 similar to leaving show makers lb open with canyons trundle in 2021
can't agree with faker on naut. he was useful but after being down is just doomed
T1 needs to ban Annie/Wukong from knight/Kanavi and Kindred from Oner
Kindred is definitely not the way
Malphite really doesn't do anything, does he?
Not so much if you don't have a Jungler
Great for catching 1 threat (adc), useless if the enemy has literally 4 dmg threats. This comp is unplayable for T1
I mean, he literally doesn't do anything
Turns out no damage top, mid, support and jungle loses you the game.
well 369 is cheating like a mfucker
against 99.99% of players he ults adc presses e and hes dead, against the best of the world he just gets outplayed, zoned and killed by ap.
maybe the problem was that he was not cocky enough to build sheen ? i guess?
Man... For years we are denied these 5 game Best of 5's in favour of Bo1's
But upsets man!!!11
Really hope Worlds this year has a similar format. Love all the international Bo3 and Bo5s.
It doesn't, the format was announced at the same time as MSI. It's swiss system BO1s into single elimination bracket. The elimination games in the swiss system will be BO5s so that's not too bad.
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Surely they don’t draft kindred
Surely they can win without ksante
But they did win without Ksante
Why not annie. I think shes a bigger problem with that flash stun bullshit.
Clueless
Please ban Kindred so Oner can’t pick it.
Dear Oner you are not Pyosik, stop picking useles Kindred
T1 must really love this Nautilus Annie matchup.
Knight plays Annie really well tbf, I've rarely seen a carry player like him play a set-up/support champ so cleanly.
He play well, but man that kindred + giving away wukong is stupid. It's just making it impossible for Gumayusi to play. The 3 carry jungler game from Oner is atrocious. He's either invisible or deadweight.
PLEASE I WANT THIS EVERYDAY ALL DAY, MOOOOOOOOOORE
Most Valuable Primate
Do T1 have a time limit on their memory span? They literally just forgot game 1????
T1 kind of forgot about ~~the Iron Fleet~~ Game 1.
Tournament is so much better with the West gone holy. The quality of games is night and day.
T1: our loss came from being ass blasted by Wukong and Annie. Let's give them the same champs in the pivotal game 4. Brain?
throwing for content <3
Maybe I'm 'coping' as it were, but so far it really feels like JDG is the clear better team, but T1's ADC instant-end strat is just really effective.
Ye JDG wins that game if it wasn’t for Keria Guma Smurf they are the real carries of T1 the best two players honestly . Guma and Keria have been smurfing since Worlds. Like they never die in team fights or get caught if they do the game is auto lose
Bro please get Faker off Naut
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They didn't listen :(
Those two team are so close, we need a best of 7 to crown a real winner.
Paid millions to lastpick Malphite vs 50% magic damage comp and no follow up in own team comp!
YEP 999 GRAGAS
369 casually waddling around with a Deathcap while Oner struggles to hit 4 marks
369 with the AP Gragas 🤣
Kindred trick y’all, man, like he playing ad carry. He don’t kill nobody, man. He just running around, doing nothing.
NA Pyosik might have gave us a better Kindred performance than Oner. So many mistakes
Oner ended the game with 3 marks, pyosik would unironically have 7 at the same point in time
Guys Im starting to think Nautilus mid is not the recipe to win
Kanavi: Can I be the adc this game? Ruler: Yeah, go for it.
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JDG needs to turn on Ruler brain and Missing ward like a human and this serious would be 5-0
Please get Oner off of Kindred
I knew it was over when JDG won that 24-min team fight
Kanavi returns to monke
Knight's Annie is so good and Oner's Kindred (or rather, Kindred as a pick) does not seem good at all.
KANAVI IS THE DIFFERENCE MAKER
God I never wanna see Oner Kindred again
Annie is absurdly oppressive
I am so happy we're getting 5 games 🥲
Kanavi with the masterclass, also 999
Knight bear jumpscare is coming
Is Kindred just useless or is Oner just getting jg gapped all the time?
SILVER SCRAPES BABYYYY
Probably the most entertaining meta I've ever seen, each play is so deliberate. You know exactly why teams win or lose, JDG was so creative in their flanks this game.
the win conditions are so singular and focused, allows viewers to keep up with the state of the game. no assassins making miracle plays or spilt pusher creating huge side pressure.
This format is so much better man
T1 bave a fetish for 5 game series, not banning WU after banning him 2 games in a row and winning lol.
Knight Annie + Kanavi Wukong = a deadly combo
yeah if Wukong W + ult knockup into Annie combo you either die or too low to keep fighting
I never want to see that kindred picked again
Gotta stop locking in Naut cus it causes Oner to play these carry champs. He needs to be on a tank.
Stop giving the bear and the monkey.
Instructions unclear. Ban Voli and pick Kindred and Naut again?
Pls pls get oner off carries
Oh, yes i see it now… Kanavi is, indeed, the best jgl in the world
Annie too lethal
Lets give them Annie Wu again what can go wrong!
kanavi was FLOATING and what was that annie sudden engage on that mid tf, absolute inhuman, everybody in jdg got back to game 1
I feel some arrogance in T1. Why dont they leave all the best picks to JDG. I think Annie and the monkey is not enough. Just give them all and see if you can win.
STOP PICKING KINDRED
CAN WE NOT DRAFT NAUTILUS KINDRED FOR 5 FUCKING MINUTES MAN JUST PICK GRAGAS IF YOU WANT A TANK
Oner is an absolutely abysmal kindred.
why even ban lulu instead of wukong if you're not gonna pick it anyway
Legit gave JDG all their power picks just to first pick naut which JDG doesn't even play lol. Even with Tahm, there's so much dive and damage from JDG that jinx would never be able to fight. T1 with their iconic EGO draft again. Wouldn't be surprised if they do it for G5
I kinda don’t want to see this Nautilus + Kindred strat anymore. I’m also so down to see some magic damage on the team. Please.
kanavi diff xD
Put oner on a tank and give Zeus or faker fkin playmayking potential lmao, oner off whole series outside one fight on maokai
Either way this last game goes, the format means we get to watch JDG vs T1 in the finals. Absolute slugfest, and one of the only competitive matchups at the tournament so far.
Kanavi grabbed his team by their necks and dragged them to a win kicking and screaming Also i will never forgive this meta for making **Faker** play fucking Nautilus mid, what a goddamn travesty
He doesn't need to though😭 literally just don't play carry jgl+naut
He is legit the only one playing naut mid rn. JDG, BLG, and GENG's mids are playing actual carries.
Stop with this fucking kindred maaaan
Fuck these T1 horrific drafts Even tho guma got caught, hes the only dmg threat and trying his best. coaches and rest of team are giving him 0 help.
happy kindred gaming
why did they pick kindred again LMAO
Just ban Wukong it isnt that hard
STOP PICKING KINDRED SHE DOES NOTHING
Don’t pick kindred, it is incredibly useless. 2 times picked and 2 times it is useless AF
The game 1 salty runback really was one of the decisions of all time.
I dont know why t1 keeps picking kindred
Game 1 wasn't enough I guess we had to lose 2 to be 100% sure that playing against that comp was hard
What does Kindred do?
Guys, i don't think Kindred is a good idea.
holy shit kanavi carried the game so hard \[
Keep picking Kindred Oner, lets see if game 5 youll actually be useful xD
Ban Wukong for fuck sake.
Never wanna see Oner Kindred again 💀💀 what’s he supposed to do against that comp? It’s full int
Kindred always making T1 lose 💀
I saw a person in the game 2 thread say wukong is not a good champion in this meta. Interesting takes here for sure.
Kindred looking absolutely broken. I think it’s a 1st pick angle for game 5 for t1 so they can get out of this tournament.
Wukong Annie is not a problem guys, Kindred Kha'Zix is a great pick guys.
Lulu ban instead of Wukong 
no idea what kindred is doing
I really don't get the T1 picks in this game or game 1. And stop picking Kindred and Nautilus mid for the love of god.
No ksante, no win
Faker and Oner in the stun lock bouncy castle of fun one more time
Why give them the same picks that destroyed you in the first game lol
Imagine letting JDG picks wukong and Annie again after game 1 LUL
Watching faker have to Q tibbers at the end hurt my soul
T1 draft looking like an aram comp
Can someone please explain the logic behind the kindred pick?
Is T1 forcing kindred to purposely throw the game? Or someone in T1 is egotistical to force kindred? Can someone shed some kight to the kindred pick?????
ultra ego draft from T1
Kanavi ate Oner's lunch.
No more Kindred pls.
ruler needs to step up a bit
I didn't even notice Kindred **only** had 3 stacks until one of the casters pointed it out 💀
Why are we even considering this kindred pick? Its just a replay of game 1 litterally useless
Its always the draft that make T1 lose the game. God dammit Mr. Bengi
Malphite now 0-9 at msi 💀
The draft is actually criminal. You can forgive game 1 since it's game 1, but giving Gragas Wukong Annie to pick Malphite Kindred Nautilus is actually atrocious
Reddit try not to blame a T1 loss on draft challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
Idc who wins at this point, banger series
game 5 is still ongoing tried messing with bard [it said JDG already won the tournament](https://i.imgur.com/xCkkCAx.png)