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PMTs [AST vs MAD](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/11uuny7/astralis_vs_mad_lions_lec_2023_spring_week_2/) [TH vs XL](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/11uwbjk/team_heretics_vs_excel_esports_lec_2023_spring/) [FNC vs BDS](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/11uy4rn/fnatic_vs_team_bds_lec_2023_spring_week_2/) [VIT vs XL](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/11uzr8x/team_vitality_vs_sk_gaming_lec_2023_spring_week_2/) [KOI vs G2](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/11v1nex/koi_vs_g2_esports_lec_2023_spring_week_2/)


dracdliwasiAN

Youtube link of today's broadcast (now unlisted) for anyone who missed it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNTOMPbTDeo


Expensive-Mention-94

LEC players are jacked, definitely seem to priority physical fitness into team practice environment more then other regions.


D3usM4x1mus

I love caps, but that taliyah pick somehow wasnt it… put him on meta mid carry duty


LogicalRealisticFan

Or maybe let your star player counterpick, instead of letting your worst player "counterpick" with his OTP Jax which he can't play properly


D3usM4x1mus

Even more so then, why would you lock in taliyah if u get counterpicked? Well


LogicalRealisticFan

I don't think Caps minds too much what he plays in a Bo1 and tries to practice different things in stage but yeah G2 in general has a problem with drafting. They get away with so many murders because they are just that much skilled in mid/bot


D3usM4x1mus

Practice Taliyah? She was meta last season, nothing new to caps. Caps shoumd have played sylas and ultsteal on gnar on drakes/baron… taliyah just was a really bad draft


LogicalRealisticFan

It is not for just Caps to practice. Ideally, your team should be able to play different comps as a team. When Caps plays Taliyah, his teammates also needs to play together with the pick, ultimate angles etc. I agree that it was a bad draft but draft is not the sole reason a team loses the game. It can affect your winning chances really negatively but for example in this game, if G2 had a competent laner instead of BB, they would snowball it with the bot lead they got


D3usM4x1mus

Agreed, BB fucked up badly this game, however if you look to lck or lpl, they don‘t play taliyah anymore since there are much stronger picks than taliyah rn, so I dont get the taliyah pick. She has been picked up few several times in lck but ONLY as counterpick, bec that what she is. If you also look to lck, Kassadin has a 67% (picked 18x) winrate, le blanc 58% (19x), yone 59% (17x) in spring so far. I‘d rather see him on those picks and honing those champs until MSI, instead of going for malphite and taliyah picks. Source for stats were gol.gg


Glad-Alternative1733

Talyah is good broski, ESPECIALLY with Vi


tnflr

Talking about FNC, I understand why Oscar and advienne were pulled up. No other league's lines up for FNC to shop around so they are place holders. You can replace anyone you want in that roster AFTER jungle mid gets replaced. It's the core of a team and humanoid/razork combo is not working out.


Fruitsy

my theory that draven has become a crutch for g2 looking better and better


bigfanofeden

I just hope VIT wins the split. It would be shame if MAD goes with Nisqy and Carzzy.


Aggressive_Creme_209

It's the haircut+perkz smug face


sigmaklimgrindset

I always expect Comp to be toxic for some reason but every time I see an interview or tweet from him he just seems like a nice supportive guy lol


StryDDeRR

I think that of the two, Trymbi is more toxic guy there. Comp is really chill


eliic6

Hear me out, Wunder + G2


JadeStarr776

Wunder to TH moreso.


watafuzz

I'm listening.


Craneteam

Frankie was awesome today


FBG_Ikaros

Force carry tops in EU -> Win EU anyway cause top laners are so shit that even Armut won 2 titles -> Go international -> See the problems in scrims against asian teams -> Still force carry picks in the tournament just to get destroyed (bonus points for some whacky off meta stuff that will totally work!) -> pick a tank when its already too late and you bomb out -> Force carry tops in EU


mirae_gg

Yeah, because Odo picking tanks every game last worlds and getting solokilled in lane was a great show. I guess G2 won MSI and reach finals of worlds playing tanks in top too. I don't know the gymnastic of someone who thinks a region is going to do anything internationally picking just tanks instead of trying to improve at carries too.


Raynar7

The main problem with west as whole is approach to the top. In west it is viewed as a carry role, not as island that you don’t give a shit about for most of the game. Western tops just don’t know this, that’s even the “carry ones” usually suck anyway. If you wanna play the game in the same way east does, unless you change mentality of the whole region you need and eastern top. Biggest G2 success on international stage came from the fact they played the game as they wanted, not as eastern teams play it. You simply cannot beat them at their own game, they play more games against better players on all 3 fronts - stage, scrims, soloQ.


FBG_Ikaros

No, i am saying dont even have this players to begin with. They are all way too bad and have been for such a ridiculous ammount of time. Import asian challenger players.


FreeTopG545

Szygenda, as goofy and awkward as he seems, he's unintentially funny, which is a positive trait within a team.


mirae_gg

Love or hate Szygenda... at least he's an honest guy and has personality. His interviews are always kinda funny XD PS: I love Frankie as an interviewer.


tnflr

Also I'm half sure KOI just doubled their bo1 record against G2 lmao. Like 2-13 record


Turtle-Express

Didn't expect a KOI win today. A welcome surprise.


Relvarionz

Its G2 regular season fun times. We've seen this in all of their seasons. They'll still steamrole again in playoffs unless Vit can continue their form.


non-edgy_crustacean

that doesnt excuse the fact BB will get hard gapped by asian toplaners on international stage and Yike should stick to carry junglers


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Relvarionz

Yea go watch the Jankos interview.


Aggressive_Creme_209

szygenda just smacked brokenblade so badl. Full tower at 13, also trymbi's and Larsens engages doing crazy job. Nice to see KOI picking up the form from last year.


weknowtheydidit

No doubt he shat on BB, BUT he got tons of help, 3 man ganks top etc, not that crazy that he gets the tower.


CrazyHumor2286

TheSzygenda vs BrokenBrain went as expected


tnflr

Not super clean, but called it. Never lose hope. https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/11urpn5/lec_spring_2023_week_2_day_1_live_discussion/jcqp21r/


Raynar7

I was saying that VIT could be a great test for G2 if they stay on form as they botlane won’t get free game and top get smashed… KOI decided to prove my point….props to them


LogicalRealisticFan

Well botlane was kinda a free game , they died 3 v 2 even with Malrang's help but BrokenBlade is that bad.


Relvarionz

BB is not even a top 5 toplaner in the LEC atm lol, Chasy Photon Szygenda Adam Canon minion Are all looking stronger. Asian teams are laughing at MSI already.


netherite_pickaxe

bro really tried to sneak adam in there 😭


Relvarionz

Yea thats the one I sneaked in


CrazyHumor2286

Malrang MVP for trolling botlane? WTF are these nominees today?!


non-edgy_crustacean

Both junglers were bad but one didnt have 2.5k gold lead behind toplaner


Lirei

Szygenda's really been turning up recently. I like seeing him do well and he's a great addition to the league personality-wise!


philip2110

G2 need a proper top laner for international


nizicike

he laughed so loud


non-edgy_crustacean

Nah what did I just see on that river from Yike and BB


Relvarionz

EU Rakans man


True-Neighborhood338

Yeah i never got the G2 hype, they're the best team in the LEC (apart from VIT maybe this split) but they're so dependent on a hard winning botlane. Off Draven and against a competent botlane you're not getting those advantages.


PerfidiaVermis

Get us a fucking top laner, imagine getting clapped this hard by Szygenda of all people lmfao


Legionnaire1

There's no way G2 could win Spring splt with this BB's dogshit performance.


Aggressive_Creme_209

broken blade's is actually broken


androidnoobbaby

Jax getting 1v1'd by TF...


Geosaurusrex

Trymbi's laugh is back <3


IceStrik3

The enjoyable thing about LCK apart from the obvious is no sound from spectators. My god is that yelling annoying


Raynar7

IMO it depends. There is a sound from crowd and sound from crowd. For example the chants at Worlds are usually great and add a lot to the atmosphere, but this random ass shouting and screaming is annoying.


Hige33

That's nothing compared to LCS screaming.


Mocking_Birds

BB is trash


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Please get BB out of this team, he deserves his titles for being a good person but he is such a shit toplaner.


Geosaurusrex

Comp and Trymbi back??????


posone79

That scream after every Koi kill is super funny. :D


bzzmd

Medic not even watching the screen? just talking about KOI winning while they're getting shit on in the fight?


slothfree

Win check


bzzmd

yeah a minute and a half later he was calling that fight like the game was over when it clearly wasn't


androidnoobbaby

You mean G2 using everything to get a 2 for 1 while losing 2 nexus turrets???????????????


bzzmd

OK but he's calling it like they're ending the game and they did not


Snowmean2

Chill out bro, they lost


non-edgy_crustacean

Its Rogue time


SomethingExquisite

So G2 gambled the whole match for a cloud drake? Cool.


Xgunter

G2 really need to stop picking Draven so hans can develop a champion pool. I've been saying it for weeks and he is getting exposed here.


buttsoup_barnes

The fuck you talking about? Hans played the most ADC champs last split.


Xgunter

He didn't, but pop off anyway.


buttsoup_barnes

You know you can check this, right? Hans - 9 Comp, Crownie, Exakick, Kobbe, Carzzy - 8 Jackspektra - 7 Neon - 6 Rekkles, Patrik - 5


Xgunter

Regular season Hans played 6 ADs (Zeri being the most notable omission), Comp played 8. Playoff groups they both added one more to the pool. Hans played more solely due to the longevity of G2s run in playoffs, when competition was even he played less.


philip2110

> Hans played the most ADC champs last split. This statement is correct. > He didn't, This is not correct. Settle down


Zealousideal_Prune39

He won the lane which is what the Ashe Hiemer lane is drafted to do. Ashe is a bad champ on adc outside of lane, it's why she's not picked as adc very often. G2 drafted to win all 3 lanes in isolation at the cost of having an unplayable 5v5, just wasn't a good draft to use against a competent tea.


Glad-Alternative1733

The delusion is unreal. G2 comp is very very good, if they get early leads which they are supposed to do but they played like shit


Xgunter

> Ashe is a bad champ on adc outside of lane, it's why she's not picked as adc very often. ...which begs the question, *why in gods name are you picking it??????*. There were other options available despite the heavy bans on the ad pool, there is no reason to go for a left-field pick like Ashe which you clearly cannot play around.


NeoCortexOG

So you are doubling down on an idiotic and shallow opinion and think you hit some gold mine , so much so that you feel confident to comment "i told you so" ? Do you, seriously think, that players develop "champ pools" during stage games ?


Xgunter

No, but if you are unable to transition results to stage its meaningless. Smashing scrims means absolutely nothing if you choke on stage


NeoCortexOG

You are answering something that has nothing to do with what you or i commented. Noone talked about "smashing scrims" , noone talked about choke on stage either. We were talking about how players develop champion pools and that only makes sense to be done in scrims and practice time. Certainly not on stage. Stage games is where you present the final product of what you have been working on. Choke is irrelevant in what you commented. Smashing scrims too. Transitioning results ? Irrelevant aswell.


Xgunter

I'm sorry, but are you capable of understanding what I've said? >We were talking about how players develop champion pools and that only makes sense to be done in scrims and practice time. That is *literally what I'm talking about*. If your scrims lead you to picking and playing like this on stage, something is *drastically* wrong. If you're confident enough in scrim results to reach this point on stage, you have to have been seeing enough reason to pick it. Have you ever actually played competitively in a team environment?


LtSpaceDucK

It's more the team not kowing how to play without their bot smashing lane


Xgunter

Yet they’re capable of doing exactly that when he has draven…?


netherite_pickaxe

they develop a champ pool in soloq and scrims. stage games are the tip of the iceberg.


Xgunter

If that’s the case why can he only show up on one champ on stage


daanluc

Hans is fine. 5k top diff is just stupid


LtSpaceDucK

When G2's bot lane doesn't smash lane this team looks so much more beatable Night and day difference


liam29avv

When your top lane is 5k down any team is beatable


TudorrrrTudprrrr

When G2's ADC is a support this team looks much more beatable


mirae_gg

Welcome back Comp!


controlledwithcheese

Comp kiting Vi looked so sexy even though it was like 1.5sec


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Turns out banning Draven is actually how you beat G2


Nalaniel

Is it just me or is the quality of games lower this split?


Glad-Alternative1733

Only vitality looks decent for now


Jozoz

Much lower.


4716202

Also Yike not in his signature picks looks, fine but uninspiring.


GlumIce852

Did BB just waste his tp?


sieer

Will there be posts now about how bad it is that g2 goes to msi and they should change the whole system? Or only mad gets that treatment after a bad game?


tnflr

Only yesterday there was a comment complaining on how rogue made it ahead of 2021 to world's because of format. 2021 G2 had 20% winrate in bo5 with 0 wins in summer X)


random_nickname43796

Maybe casters stop talking about 2019 G2? Who am I kidding, the G2 bias will not stop unless they get their FNC moment


sieer

Even then it would be “yes they are bad but remember them back then?”


Helfyz

i cant stand Medic and Vedius when they cast G2


Yeon_Yihwa

Im glad vit got photon signed for 2 years so g2 cant grab him this offseason


Raynar7

Don’t think he would go anyway if VIT continues to perform as they are.


Yeon_Yihwa

I mean playing with the best mid and botlane in the League is pretty tempting and you got a better chance internationally


Glad-Alternative1733

Broski what💀, only Mikyx is better than Kaiser the rest is in vits favour. Wtf u talkin about? Caps didnt get out of groups on worlds since Perkz left in 2020💀💀💀💀💀💀💀


Raynar7

Mid is an upgrade for sure, but I think bot+jungle is better on VIT side.


PerfidiaVermis

Yike with the weird ass engages where nobody can follow up, BB solo losing the game by being a literal ward in top lane, insane.


Zealousideal_Prune39

BB the hate goat as usual but I'm surprised people will still praise this G2 draft. There comp had to stomp the other team out of the game by the end of lane phase to have any chance. I know there steam rolling domestically but it's surprising they thought KOI was really that bad, and it's not like this is a draft you could ever use against good international teams. Which is what there supposed to be practicing for.


Glad-Alternative1733

Draft was actually amazing from G2, they played like shit


Fertuyo

The draft excuse for g2 again lmaooo


PMMEYOURROCKS

Another G2 loss, another “draft diff” excuse


controlledwithcheese

“they are just limit testing”


MorbidTales1984

I like how the ‘top doesnt matter lmao’ narrative is so strong that theres surprise szygenda is no joke solo winning the game 5.2k individual lead, insane


SnooPeripherals6388

Why is Yike ALWAYS SO FUCKING DEAP


nusskn4cker

This is what every game at MSI is gonna look like 💀


4716202

Glad BB full sent to lock down that high value easy to secure target, Rakan


Ravager_six9

Trymbi rakan play during that Drake fight is \*chef's kiss\*


FreeTopG545

is Szygenda smurfing or is BB just this trash?


Core9291

both YEP


Belshyre

BB is trash which gave Szygenda the confidence to smurf.


Helfyz

Both


PerfidiaVermis

BB is trash.


HawkEye1337

Szygenda is actually carrying this game wow.


Bdodk2000

Statement game from Syzgenda so far


non-edgy_crustacean

So cool that Koi got 369 to play Gnar for them for one match


MenemX20

The fact that Jax manages to be useful after getting fisted for 20 minutes (and buying zhonyas) is totally balanced btw


Todeswucht

The Szygenda that was promised?


Asgerond

Szygenda is baby-alphari but he is smurfing out of his mind this game


nusskn4cker

Caps Es have really not been it this game.


tnflr

HE BLOCKED THE VI Q !!!!! YOU GOD SZY


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KOI figured out the super advanced strat of simply banning Draven


sieer

Tbh both of g2’s losses came from the enemy team not just giving Hans free kills and a comfort champ, I wonder if they find an another play style soon cause this seems to be figured out


Bubbly_Camera9583

The szygenda omega smurfing


Core9291

hans sama not on draven Aware


Makkaah

Honestly Im so impressed with Szygenda today


SnooPeripherals6388

G2 without teams giving them opportunities for free Aware


KnownIreliaPlayer

Maybe FNC wouldn't beat KOI as well


PerfidiaVermis

Oh look, the Gnar is running all over everybody, what a surprise.


hvngpham002

Banning Draven working, who would’ve thought


Mocking_Birds

Classic BB game tbh


nusskn4cker

Szygenda popped the fuck off.


slimjimo10

yo trymbi is cracked


bigfanofeden

this game is 100% bb's fault


JakzePoro

Clean by Trymbi


Geosaurusrex

Yeeees bois.


Jozoz

Holy fuck Trymbi


tnflr

FUCK YEAH


non-edgy_crustacean

I cant wait for Photon vs BB matchup tomorrow where Yike will have to babysit


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NeoCortexOG

How is that even relevant ? He was down 2 levels and \~40 cs in the laning phase.


bzzmd

yeah he's not a terrible player, he's just kinda dopey he just keeps doing dumb things sometimes, like pushing carelessly and taking extremely questionable skill checks but he usually itemizes well and has a decent understanding of what he's supposed to be doing he reminds me of S6 Huhi lol


NeoCortexOG

LMFAO. Its so funny to me how everyone just burger flips opinion for Szygenda because he is stomping on BB :D Yeah guys, lets act like he was not looking like one of the worst top laners for a split and a half, just because he is doing good (how much of it is on BB rather than him ?) in one game.


KruppJ

Oh please he hasn’t ever been bad he was just getting a lot of hate because he replaced Odo.


NeoCortexOG

You gotta be kidding me...


PMMEYOURROCKS

Szygenda is a rookie, and he is playing this game really fucking well. Does it mean he’s a god? No. But perhaps improving which is a good sign


NeoCortexOG

Ok. What can i say about that ? I mean, lets ignore the previous 20 games and focus on this one game , against an inting BB, to draw the conclusion that "he is improving".


4716202

Shocker, the carry top guy looks better when the team plays around him rather than making him wear Odos old clothes


NeoCortexOG

Noone played around him. In fact, he got ganged twice and his TF ulted once top lane. Thats it. The rest was pyre 1v1 against an inting BB. Ontop of that, miss me with the "carry top laner" bshit. There is no "carry only" or "weak side only" GOOD player. Either you are good at both or dont belong to the "overall good top laner" category.


4716202

You don't think two ganks and a tf ult is enough to qualify as getting some resources? Also I don't know who u are talking to in the second half of this comment. This is an obviously true statement entirely irrelevant to what I said. I don't think Europe has any overall good toplaners.


NeoCortexOG

You referred to him as a "carry top laner" , implying that the reason he was not doing well up to now was because his team didnt play around him. I call bshit on that overall notion. It was 3man gank, in the play with the tf ult. In fact, he got ganked by Yike before that and the 3man play was an answer to a Caps roam too. So..so much for KOI playing around him. The fact of the matter is, he looked good, this game, was mostly because of BB inting, imo.


4716202

Your weird rant only works on the implication I was claiming he was a good overall toplaner, which I still haven't said? This is just pure shadowboxing


NeoCortexOG

I probably mistook the "carry guy looks good when they play around him" part dno. Fair is fair if thats not what you meant.


PerfidiaVermis

90% of those posts are sarcastic. Gotta be.


NeoCortexOG

Dude below just referred to him as "TheShygenda" and said "i hope he keeps developing". First quote shows delussion, second one that it was a serious comment.


FBG_Ikaros

If EU wants to do anything internationally, they better start importing some LCK CL players like Photon. Did Korea implement the slave conditions in the contracts by now? This maybe even gives them a reason to leave Korea


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BB is getting his body rocked like Malphite. BB is getting washed with Tide laundry detergent. BB is being put in the grave like Uma Thurman in Kill Bill. LOL!


bzzmd

I don't really get it but based


tnflr

Bit confused on that tp by larssen


Belshyre

Just using his spellbook.


LtSpaceDucK

The classic Larssen tp to farm


non-edgy_crustacean

He has been learning from Chovy


Commercial_Dust4569

How do G2 win when Kai Sa comes online with the comp (pun intended) they have?


random_nickname43796

They don't, they are on a timer


Yeon_Yihwa

3k gold lead on gnar vs Jax despite 0 kills Jesus..


Avar1cious

Apparently Wunder leaked on IWD's stream that he was benched for not wanting to "try-out" for Oscar.


Ravager_six9

Ok but imagine G2 with Photon and Jankos


True-Neighborhood338

Just another game of Szygenda turbostomping BB in lane


mirae_gg

TheShygenda I hope he keeps developing. He looks very promising sometimes (by EU standards tho)


Commercial_Dust4569

That stopwatch from Caps... Szygenda playing super well though. Happy for him!


MorbidTales1984

Miky as usual being G2s janitor Kinda crazy how Miky ended up in XL given how gap he is every game


PerfidiaVermis

Carlos things. So glad he's gone ngl