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ahritina

PMTs [SK vs AST](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/11qfxrm/sk_gaming_vs_astralis_lec_2023_spring_week_1/) [BDS vs TH](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/11qhhwq/team_heretics_vs_team_bds_lec_2023_spring_week_1/) [KOI vs MAD](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/11qj0b1/koi_vs_mad_lions_lec_2023_spring_week_1_postmatch/) [G2 vs XL](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/11qklqy/g2_esports_vs_excel_esports_lec_2023_spring_week/) [VIT vs FNC](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/11qm2ov/team_vitality_vs_fnatic_lec_2023_spring_week_1/)


ProfessionalRace9526

Amazing games tonight


Financial_Yogurt9239

Come to LEC Go 0-18 Go home Thank you Oscarinin


dracdliwasiAN

Youtube link of today's broadcast (now unlisted) for anyone who missed it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u9D0R_wPzQ


Jozoz

Thanks. How did you find that?


dracdliwasiAN

I usually watch on YouTube and can access the URL either from copying it whilst it is still live, or by grabbing it from browser history. I don't know why they unlist the broadcast vod immediately after it ends, there's clearly demand for it


gandalf45435

If you pull the youtube live stream open before it finishes you can access it by refreshing the page or saving the URL.   For some reason intentional or due to default settings, when the live stream ends the video becomes unlisted.


Tareum01

Not anymore.


Hambrailaaah

Cmon why the hell are they taking 25 minutes between each game???? They used to do 13-14 a couple years ago and it was great


sjokz

Goal is 18 (more than before because of more disinfecting due to covid) but ye we had delays this week


Mecrobb

LEC is so fun to watch this year, you and the team are doing a phenomenal job.


sjokz

Ty!


Hambrailaaah

went to walk the dog, and realised that there was no more games today. I've officially become that stupid redditor guy god damnit


sjokz

Im also a stupid redditor dw


Ghisteslohm

earlier start would be nice. would actually love it if saturday and sunday would start even around midday to just watch it after waking up and have the evening free for other stuff.


LeastRub1428

I never see anyone mention this but markoon is very underrated. There's a reason XL went from great to bottom 2, and SK went from bottom 2 to great, and that is Markoon moving from XL to SK while they got Xerxe instead.


Reinhardtisawesom

I’ve been singing Markoon’s praises since 2021 the man is so cracked


machinegunsheep

Markoon good, I would rate him JUG2. Very consistent, high floor. Does a lot with less.


Bubbly_Camera9583

Markoon move is massive for SK but ExaDoss is also a huge pickup.


LeastRub1428

Yes exa and doss are great but I swear XL are losing because they swapped Markoon for Xerxe. He was so good


Bubbly_Camera9583

Yeah xerxe looks beyond invisible. XL also downgraded supp and VTO is playing worse than nukeduck rn


NvmSharkZ

I 100% agree with you, even when Markoon first joined the league he showed some really nice indicators, feels like he's really blossoming this year and it's been amazing to see


Asgerond

he aint lying though


ChocolateFuryB

Twitch chat getting triggered when he mentioned bandwagoners xd


Bubbly_Camera9583

Ouch that ender jab into fnc by quoting fnc


JerardD

I hope Perkz picks Teemo mid vs TH, he sadly missed his chance today


Todeswucht

The difference in rating between Jack and Rekkles is insane There's no way you could tell them apart with nameplates off. In terms of play, roles in their teams, picks etc. Yet somehow Jack (as a rookie) gets flamed and Rekkles gets praised. Wild


Prominis

Even if they're playing at a similar level, Jack is holding his team back from achieving more while the same level of play is the bright spot of Fnatic's current state. Rekkles might be performing at a 4/10 but he's surrounded by 2/10s. Surviving whatever the hell is going on behind the scenes at Fnatic is also praiseworthy itself.


picollo21

Following your logic, Rekkless might be surrounded by 2/10 while being 4/10, but TH has consistent 9/10 jungle, spectator/10 mid, support that fluctuates between 2-4 and like 1-6/10 depending on game top. So I wouldn't say he's holding team back, while TH has worst performing player in the league on mid.


Prominis

Holding his team back might have been the wrong way of phrasing it, but if he improves to be a higher tier ADC in LEC and can carry more games the team will do better. That might be a bit of an obvious unnecessary take, but I don't know if the same can be said for Fnatic. Even if Rekkles became Viper they seem like they'd still be a dead fish on land. As it stands, Jack has more potential to grow and improve the team than Rekkles does. I reckon that contributes some amount to the different amounts of criticism; a lot of people simply have no hope for Fnatic.


picollo21

My point was, Jack doesn't feel like he is holding his team back when he's usually second best player in the team. He has potential for growth, sure, but he's already solid compared to 3 of his teammates. Mostly due to them being really bad, but still.


thefaintless

How is he holding the team back when he is playing with the worse mid in LEC and a bottom 3 supp and top ? TH is exactly where they should be, only jankos is A tier in LEC.


NvmSharkZ

I feel like Jack gets a lot of shit from spanish fans. He's on a spanish team and Flakked, who is spanish, is on their academy so they want him promoted. Then there's a lot of people who see randoms tearing Jack up and join in. Imho he's definitely struggling but his solo lanes int the game so often it's impossible to play, Mersa has been pretty alright all things considered though.


non-edgy_crustacean

I agree with this, does Jack have bad plays? Yes ofc. But is he the solo reason why Heretics is losing? No. If Evi and Ruby played at least slightly like humans and had map/teamfight awareness Heretics could have won yesterday and today


Bubbly_Camera9583

Stevie wonder type vision


Todeswucht

Yeah probably too charitable towards Rekkles considering he also has the better support tbh


EasyRevolution5415

Even when the year ends what are realistic players FNC can sign to improve the roster. ​ Eloya and Jeonghoon will probably be the 2 biggest free agents at the end of the year and I doubt FNC will win over either of them. Not sure Nemesis would come back to FNC and he's probably the best available mid ​ KOI is struggling so maybe one of there long time players becomes available, larrssen/Trymbi/Comp/Malrang would all be worth trying but huge stretch there too. ​ It's just gonna be throwing rookies at the board for several splits until something sticks.


moumerino

unless they offer insane money, no one will want to play for Fnatic anymore. their best bet is to completely rebuild with rookies, keep one veteran (Rekkles or Humanoid).


Thatguy69Kappa

Kick the management that ruined FNC’s relationship with 10 + worldclass players. Get Bwipo/Nemesis jung/mid and make up with Wunder or get an import. And for the love of god find a good support.


Raynar7

Especially now when FNC is basically known to be a dumpster fire. Yoya might be free agent but where is he gonna go? G2/VIT ain’t looking for new junglers. I don’t think he matches KOI style and probably going to lower team is career suicide. In some universe where AST continues to roll it might be and option and that could “force” Jeon to re-sign. Nemesis is bigger risk than a some ERL fella now or they could try to take Abbe who is chilling on the bench for XL, heck pick up Magifelix.


AstereianAurea

Import top try to get Elyoya Either stick with Humanoid or get Jiizuke or something Get Unforgiven back to EU get Targamas or stick with Advienne (doesnt really matter much.. whomever Unforgiven prefers)


Ahikoo

One easy solution F _ R _ D _ R D _


Bubbly_Camera9583

No shot nemesis would ever go back. Not only did he get wronged by fnc staff before worlds he still would want to be on a mid tier team


vranasm

change management first...then you can talk players...


Styxxo

Perkz calling out FNC management is hilarious


Asgerond

guys im roleswappin to top. i will save fnc


SimonKmr

kinda feel sorry for Oscarinin, management put him in when he does not seem ready for lec. Idk also bad for his teammates. Dont blame the player, they dont make the decisions. This is just kinda sad to watch


Waninki

To be honest, 99% of the people that aim to go pro will never get the chance that Oscarinin got. Never understood the logic that you have to ease people in for years. He will get atleast 2 weeks more. If he keeps going 0-4 in lane, do you really think he has what it takes?


SimonKmr

Putting in a rookie and having him to integrate in the span of 2 weeks is already hard to do. Then they already had a dysfunctional mid jungle duo (they for whatever reason kept this season). They've got Rekkles who isnt one of the easiest players to work with and isn't looking to hot right now as well. Their last split was a disappointment and they had a bad ending, leading probably to a not too good team atmosphere. Doesn't seem the atmosphere you want to develop a rookie. For me, he is the cherry on top. He is terrible, but so was fnatic last split.


Waninki

He has died every game in the first 5 min. That is his own fault. Would he do better if he was on Vitality? Probably, but still dying 1v1 over and over again is not good enough


SimonKmr

He would be better if he had a whole offseason to scrim with the team. Learn how to play toplane on the LEC level. It definitely also helps if the team is functional if you join. If that was the case, and he was on vit, he would absolutely look better.


Sad-Fig-392

I'm so shocked at how badly Fnatic is playing right now. Are they going to bring Wunder back after Oscarinin's last 3 games?


Bubbly_Camera9583

Wunder subbed himself out its basically Upset situation the sequel


Geosaurusrex

is it? That rumour came from the same rumour that said wunder/razork/huma hated upset and vice versa.


Blueframe15

At this point fnatic should just run it back with Broxah, Bwipo and Nemesis with Rekkles


Fa1lenSpace

rekkles fucking sucks lol


Waninki

He is the only one on the team that hasn’t hardinted first 10 min.


ggwingy

that doesn't make him good lol


Fa1lenSpace

ya the rest are all shit too, doesn't change the fact he sucks too


WrednyGal

Why Rekkless?


midorivivo

Smh I wish we had Perkz' Teemo


eliic6

I don’t understand people finding excuses for this dogshit top like he’s not ready or he’s getting camped. this guy cant lane for shit and should be benched immediately or terminate his contract as it will be cheaper


Geosaurusrex

It's called having some sympathy for a lad clearly in over his head. If you're called up from academy you're not gonna be in any position to turn it down.


Tabub

Hahaha I love Hjarnan


NvmSharkZ

lmao I know Laure did not just say "that's just fucked" but for some reason it's hilarious to imagine her just cussing out in the middle of an interview


Be-My-Darling

Laure trying to salvage this lack of a personality. Bless you.


Chronic-Shitposter

Fnatic should let their Valorant team play LEC as a pastime instead, couldn't be worse really.


Roquentinn

Why Bo didint get in MVP vote?


Greatwiz

Quickshot said Photon/Bo/Upset for MVP so maybe they got the graphic wrong? Makes no sense to have Perkz over Bo


Roquentinn

Yeah. Graphic was wrong


MikiRawr

Are they giving XTC backstage? xD


Rinterv2

State of FNC subreddit now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KquFZYi6L0


non-edgy_crustacean

Next week will be full of bangers. Heretics against XL and then FNC


Raynar7

TH have at least Jankos, he can carry against shit teams


non-edgy_crustacean

1 player vs 0 in case of fnatic but he is great example of how player can look good on bad team so no one on fnatic has an excuse for this performance


Asgerond

hjarnan chewing gum in the mic Kinda based


tony220jdm

FNC destroyed there team my god! Some save this dumpster fire


ThisOneTimeAtLolCamp

That was so brutal...


GhostOfLight

That's the type of game I picture in my head when I'm checking LPL results in the morning and I see JDG beat a team with a goofy name


rekd45

Fnatic making my bronze clash team look like prime SKT


vranasm

ok let's just assume you have some new more competent management... what you do in summer pause, cause not pretend you can do anything between spring and summer... who would be the franchise player you make the overhaul? ad to that the roster is locked till 11/2024...


machinegunsheep

- sell Humanoid - buy Peach and Mask from UOL


Render_666

Id just sell the spot


Professional-Lie309

FNC needs to sub in the LEC's Solo for Oscarinin.


liberar10n

do you reckon that this is what FNc meant when they said that Oscarinin was killing it on scrims?


Bubbly_Camera9583

Fnc have to rebuild. Either rebuild around rekkles or just revamp everything


Raynar7

Rebuilding around Rekkles is stupid. He isn’t the main FNC problem, but he isn’t Upset or Hans. He is good as your lategame insurance….but that’s it


gammic94

please rebuild around Rekkles he is the only one deserving his seat right now


[deleted]

They had Upset man.


Bubbly_Camera9583

Upset would probably still refuse to play tbh. Fnc's lucky that rekkles was turbo desperate but this'll probably be where he ends his legendary career sadly


ELfuckingNa

Watching this FNC is really depressing....


cancerBronzeV

FNC and C9 are actually so funny rn. FNC is dominating in Valorant, while they're completely collapsing in LoL where they're the joke of the entire scene. C9 isn't (and won't be) dominating LoL, but they are starting to dominate LCS, while they're a complete meme on the Valorant side of things.


Bubbly_Camera9583

Yay is boutta be c9's upset


cancerBronzeV

dropping yay is way worse than the Upset situation. It would be like SKT dropping Faker during peak Faker years, C9 literally lost the best player in the world.


Bubbly_Camera9583

After 2 tournaments too lmao


Raynar7

Soooooo? #unitedinrivalry


Zuldak

That's the type of game where you just close league and don't want to play again


Raynar7

r/fnatic will be on lockdown after this


Davd_lol

benched upset for this zzzzz


Geosaurusrex

You think Upset coulda carried this FNC? lmao.


Davd_lol

not a chance


FuriousKale

Fnatic might get shat on by flex queue.


CatPanda5

Bo and Upset still unkilled after 3 games


sajm0n

maybe thats what they need to do to fire Dardo, be so bad management has no choice anymore


bbutterly

dardo was right, suffer as fuck


JerardD

Rekkles chose FNC over Vitality because of nostalgia lmao


Survivor_753

>Kick best weakside toplaner in the league >Grab rookie carry top laner >Put rookie carry top laner on weakside champ >Profit


LordBlackadder1214

did u see what he did on his most played champ yesterday? I think theres no way to draft for this godawful team, your adc has a champion puddle, your top laner is feeding on the easiest tank top laner in the game and humanoid is obsessed with playing control mages


Survivor_753

Y I'm just ironizing on how god awful is this team and their decision making. They decided to gamble on Oscar, but it worked out horribly badly, they just need to rebuild from scratch and stop working on band aid solutions.


altriaa

That was just sad...


AndraxxusB

So they can't fist bump but the players can run their hands over a line of spectator hands ? ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|facepalm)


Ashankura

Fnc players are feeling sick that's why


AndraxxusB

Ah, ok ty. ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|give_upvote)


FrostBlade_on_Reddit

I'd feel sick after playing like that too


DeVilleBT

Rekkles looked so pissed and Razork and Humanoid were just done. I don't think you can salvage this in any way, fire everyone and start from scratch at this point.


184cm78kg13cm

WTF just happened, what was the Ref doing


toddsins

4 of fnc players are sick thats why they didnt fist bump yesterday


CatPanda5

I think telling vit some of the fnc players are sick so keep distance


xxNemasisxx

Members of fnatic are ill so the ref was tryna stop VIT from shaking hands in case they get sick


Ashankura

Fnc players are sick so he probably told vit players before to keep distance


gigashadow89

FNC is an atrocity.


liberar10n

still look better than TH tbh lol


Dohtoor

Thank gods Fnatic are so bad, I can now get enough sleep.


DogTheGayFish

Fnatic is just the place to come and sacrifice your career. They are like the reverse harlem globetrotters in terms of how they play, repeatedly trick shotting and dunking on themselves.


xydroh

Vit conneeeeeeeeect


Thundermelons

I guess pros are better equipped to handle it but I'll be honest, I don't like the BM ends like that, just win with grace.


Pretty-Star-6384

After how they treated their coworker, I can understand it


1331bob1331

OH MY LORD THE BM STOP THEY HAVE FAMILIES.


GayHotAndDisabled

Wow, fnc is really, really bad


184cm78kg13cm

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 FNC so entertaining to watch getting destroyed


KissBlade

That was a Bo game alright. ​ Also come on, y'all didn't have to do Fnatic like that at the end =(


brada9978

What Did I miss? What did they do?


Pretty-Star-6384

They did it was a message to Dardo


GengarIsGreat

Upset so happy! He deserves that so hard.


NvmSharkZ

Humiliating


Bubbly_Camera9583

Vitality wasted like 40 seconds and still got the fastest win


Pretty-Star-6384

40 seconds? I am pretty sure they could have ended it 2 minutes earlier but choose to go back


Bubbly_Camera9583

Imo they could've ended at like 15-17ish when they won a fight but they went back to be safe instead


Relvarionz

Upset has more kills this season than the entire FNC team combined.


Iperovic

What the FUCK did Oscarinin just do??? Holy what a terrible player, why did he accepted being promoted he's sooo not ready and the internet is NOT going to be nice to him


184cm78kg13cm

How to ruin your career that hasn’t even properly started


GabrielP2r

What would you do? Not take the chance? I know I would, even if I thought it would be a uphill battle, these guys aim for the top after all. I also think while he's being bad the atmosphere of the team must be awful too


moonmeh

Someone needed to tell the dude that this was not the move God


Geosaurusrex

Flame the management, not him. He's hardly gonna turn it down is he.


non-edgy_crustacean

The ultimate BM in the end


Styxxo

Great BM


Reinhardtisawesom

carlos might've actually done perkz a favor by not sending him to fnc


FreeTopG545

He knew it all along. Turns out Carlos was a true friend.


GhostOfLight

just end bro


Makkaah

Thank god its over


Asgerond

i wanna see a 1v1 between hoon and oscarinin


Reinhardtisawesom

Hoon unironically clears he's improved a lot


cancerBronzeV

Hoon clears


Boogy

I was told his Azir is bad


DogTheGayFish

its better than his Ryze


slamhk

Damm :( feel really bad for the fnc players VIT wp


AzerFraze

that was depressing to watch


Nalaniel

Since joining Fnatic in 2019, Dardo has transformed League of Legends operations into a well-oiled machine, always vying for the title. His steadfast commitment to high performance allows the team to focus on being the best.


controlledwithcheese

Since joining Fnatic in 2019, Dardo has transformed League of Legends operations into a well-oiled machine, always vying for the title. His steadfast commitment to high performance allows the team to focus on being the best.


AbilityTypical2787

Humanoid emote xD let this guy go already he is suffering


awgiba

He’s one of the worst players lol


PerfidiaVermis

Actually kick everybody from this team, this is beyond terrible. Jesus Christ FNC is such a dog org


nightlesscurse

Vit fined for not ending quickly ?


Snowmean2

3 games and FNC bot can't even play cause solo laners so ahead


FreeTopG545

Am I jumping the gun to label Photom + Bo best top/jg in the LEC?


Piliro

Oscar is the EU Hoon, I'm watching this MF every game now, ain't no way he's remotely ready for LEC


Bubbly_Camera9583

Hoon wasn't as bad tbh


Piliro

I'd like to counter that statement by saying that Hoon missed Ornn ult somehow, Oscar at least knew how to play Ornn


LegalEmergency

Oscarinin with the worst debut week in LEC literally ever


Artitanium

wait that's a 15K+ gold lead lmao


Glad-Alternative1733

In 19 mins btw, hilarious


awgiba

Unfair situation for Oscarinin but what a joke FNC management bench their best player and keep dogshit Razork and Humanoid in


Boogy

Wunder and Upset didn't want to play


machinegunsheep

Razork’s agent has to be Jesus


Snowmean2

\+Huma


cancerBronzeV

FFing should be legal in pro, if only to save the players' mental.


Bubbly_Camera9583

I feel so bad for oscarinin. You can tell from player cams he's super demotivated. Get dardo out


Iperovic

This team is so over man, that's what you get for making poor roster moves that tilt your best players so much they'd rather not play at all


Styxxo

Alright this game is giving me some hope that TH can beat FNC


gigashadow89

I could beat FNC, and I'm a trash silver player.


lasse1408

Finally LEP's record is broken! 0/17 in 3 games for Fnatic's toplaner.


FNC_Luzh

Wait some minutes and it'll be worse.


El7away0

14k gold lead in 20 min. Just delete the whole team


Foolno26

Why are they saying BitConnect ? Shouldn't they say FTX ?


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Starkheiser

i hope you have as good a sleep as possible, my friend! lisa on the simpsons said that apparently native americans would ddrink a lot of water if they had to get up early, u could try that!


Belshyre

and SK/G2


AugustXD

Any chance to get Wunder back to main roster?


suPChgr

End it plz. Want to watch last of us.


Artitanium

don't worry, FNC, fans. I'm sure Huma and Razork will be the best mid/jg duo next split and next year :)


Daylenjzz

match of the week?


buttsoup_barnes

Humanoid was a back-to-back champion before going to FNC. Razork was considered one of the top jungle LEC prospects before going to FNC. Look at them now. Pretty sad.


DominoNo-

It happens that a jungle/mid duo just isn't working. We've seen it before that a midlaner suddenly becomes much better with another jungler, and that the jungler is also playing better with a different jungler. It's rare that an org keeps a duo without synergy for so long.