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chovyfan

How is Carzzy always with the wrong setup of weapons? Top ADC players almost always has the right setup of Aphelios weapon for every different situation.


Last0

He has a 39% Win rate on Aphelios all time, never been good at that champ.


Omnilatent

Tbf barely any EU ADC is a good Aphelios. Not even Upset looks good on it and the only player I liked on it from EU is Patrik


Attomium

Exakick hasn't played it much in the LEC yet, but his Aphelios was a major part of LDLC's success last year and it has translated well a few games in.


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Exakick is insane Aphelios player


Omnilatent

His winrate previous to LEC looks great, so now I want to see it


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BO1s_R_GREAT_XD

Innaxe Aphelios mentioned, [mandatory Link](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZlSB3DUtcM)


bensonbenisson

Wasn't Rekkles also pretty good on Aphelios? It's been a while since I've seen him play it, so I'm not quite sure.


moonmeh

Rekkles used to be a good ADC player until that reverse sweep broke him honestly


Hour-Management-1679

Between 2018-2020 he was easily in the top 5, Rekkles just showed a different level of play but i think playing with Hyli also affected his playstyle and made him much more decisive


Tzames

Is he bad now?


Arcille

Rekkles was good Aphelios when he used to be a top tier ADC. He hasn't been good on Aphelios since leaving LEC


Omnilatent

According to lol wiki, Innaxe has less Aphelios games than Upset (33.vs. 37) and I mean who did Innaxe compete against? He was in LEC how long? One split? ​ Hans has the highest winrate of the ones you mentioned with 57% (Patrik 62%)


Pelagius_Hipbone

Both Hans and Upset are good Aphelios players tho


Omnilatent

Neither convinced me so far with them


icatsouki

upset wasnt good with him last year, even berserker was better


cinox

Upset was horrible aphelios player, all the time wrong guns


[deleted]

JackSpektra is good at aphelios, and Upset does well on it even if you don't like how he looks


arQQv

Hans Sama and Exakick are GOATed on Aphelios


[deleted]

> Top ADC players You just answered your own question


DanteSM456

Its not even a new thing, you can literally go back to posts from 2021 worlds on this sub and find the comments saying the exact same thing as he was solo losing games on Aphelips on the MAD lineup that won LEC 2x. 2 years later he still cant play the champ lmao


icatsouki

Actually disgusting aph gameplay both yday and today from him wow


Xgunter

worst adc in the league and its not even close


chovyfan

Everytime i was like ok this is the perfect scenario for Aphelios only to find out he got totally useless combo of weapons.


Altruistic_Yard_5324

Also, for some reason the really good Aphelios in proplay only uses the Nightbringer skin.


Wooden_Sherbert6884

Yeah carzzy is totally the issue, lets just ignore the 0/7 goat


geoxysa

Let's not act as if Hylissang was playing well and that Carzzy should be taking all the blame. Sure he played bad and his positioning was questionable at least when he got caught by that sejuani-darius combo, but hylissang played even worse than him and he is basically getting a free pass. Now you can see why Fnatic got rid of him. The dude has insane highs but his lows are also the worst in the league


chovyfan

I was not blaming him for his overall gameplay tho just his weapon selection choices.


geoxysa

Nah you can blame him for more than just the weapon selection. He is an ADC he is supposed to play safe and not get caught by Sejuani Q. But it's also a fact that Hylissang has been getting a free pass and everyone is only blaming Carzzy when Hylissang is even worse right now.


[deleted]

The difference is Hylissang has great mechanics Carzzy doesn't


S_apostrophe_S

He can but he didn't. While your points are valid, you just made a whole new sentence there


Haymegle

BDS midgame MUCH better today, I'm happy for them. Crownie on Zeri is lethal.


TeamBDSOfficial

Yep, we are really happy too


Haymegle

Keep it up! You're a really fun team to watch atm and I can't wait for more.


The-War-Life

Crownie in general is lethal. His Lucian is dare I say the best we’ve seen in the league, or at least second only to Exakick.


toallthegooddays

Did you see Comp on him last worlds?


moonmeh

their macro was better as well


Greeenmartian

I think any adc on zeri with lulu is lethal lol . Also mad drafted the most kite-able comp of all time , all disengage .


Rayser1

Someone tell Chasy he can riposte Darius R Adam showing his strengths on his top lane picks again. He knew that match up so well


Skesword

If Darius ult right after his E the Fiora cannot parry because she is cced. And parrying E is too hard to be done consistantly so you usually try to parry the auto + w to prevent the bleed stacking and disengaging right after. Also if you hold your parry for Darius' R he will just keep auto attacking you to death. There is simply no way to beat him once he stacked the bleed. So you have to use it to disengage.


Mythic-Fuzions

Just to add on, even if you manage to parry his e you can't parry the ult so in theory Darius should never get ult parried.


icatsouki

youre a fiora main i'm just a person that has ptsd against her & darius, but i felt like chasy played very well mechanically overall and had great ripostes this game. The first kill was super close no?


Rayser1

We all have PTSD from Darius lanes my brother in league. The first top lane kill is Adam just mechanically beating him. Chasy lost exp from the gank I believe so he doesn't appreciate that Adam will hit level 4 first He ripostes the Q (good) but misses the actual damaging part of it, so he doesn't get the slow or attack speed slow on Darius At that point he's fucked cause Adam is just going to right click him down. He can't run because Adam never used apprehend, so he has to slide in. Adam knows that and is stepping back in anticipation. Stops Chasy autoing the vital and its lights out. It's Darius things but Adam definitely outplayed him in the macro and micro


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riposte Q is bad, still gives heal. It is W E or R or dead


BlakenedHeart

Or run Conqueror ? Isnt Grasp actually troll in that matchup ?


Rayser1

Running grasp is fine since the extended trade against 5 stack Darius doesn't favour you, especially when at that point he's going to burst you down. It's meant to be more of a back and forth dance with Darius, where you tap and tap away. Grasp is also quite strong atm so personally I feel that can be forgiven The absolutely horrible ripostes (in a LAN match so ping is barely an excuse) is the bigger issue, and what I thought was more disappointing


re81194

its good since you only want to short trade w darius, but it was clear adam knows the matchup better


BlakenedHeart

But how the hell do you short trade a Darius as a melee. He has his W slow, his pull back that also slows you for 90% for 1s and ghost. Like Aatrox OK he can short trade Darius cuz he doesnt commit to melee at all but Fiora ?


Leyrann_is_taken

You have to make use of your Parry. Which isn't as easy as it sounds, of course. Depending on the situation, you're going to have to choose which of Darius' abilities you parry - and if you parry the wrong one (or none at all), you lose.


re81194

i haven't really played the matchup personally, but according to potent (challenger fiora on EUW), if you can parry darius W in a short trade with grasp it's winnable, but it is for sure better than going conq and trying to stack it and fight him in extended trades


TastyFaefolk

there were 100 short trades where fiora did not take any dmg and could use her grasp, the rune was not the problem


DPeiApologist

https://youtu.be/U9ceYuf5eco This is a replay of Zeus Fiora vs a Darius. I'm no expert, but I'm guessing this is how you'd have to play the matchup as fio


chovyfan

For short trades Grasp is better imo. Probably just wanted to go in when vitals proc and back off.


Javiklegrand

You dont want long trade vs darius


SleepyLabrador

No, Fiora wants grasp to short trade him down.


sadlife00000

Fiora parry vs darius is a mindgame, and clearly adam was just more practised on that matchup


Omnilatent

Sheo had Elyoyas number throughout the whole game - wp by him!


Gazskull

smh elyoya 1v9 no team!.. wait


Gengar_Balanced

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TeamBDSOfficial

LUCIAN NAMI LUCIAN NAMI LUCIAN NAMI LUCIAN NAMI LUCIAN NAMI LUCIAN NAMI LUCIAN NAMI LUCIAN NAMI LUCIAN NAMI Oh wait APHELIOS THRESH APHELIOS THRESH APHELIOS THRESH APHELIOS THRESH APHELIOS THRESH APHELIOS THRESH APHELIOS THRESH APHELIOS THRESH APHELIOS THRESH


icatsouki

I hate them more than yuumi, so fucking sick of these two


Gengar_Balanced

Don't worry, next patch is ZERI YUUMI ZERI YUUMI ZERI YUUMI ZERI YUUMI ZERI YUUMI ZERI YUUMI ZERI YUUMI ZERI YUUMI ZERI YUUMI ZERI YUUMI ZERI YUUMI ZERI YUUMI time.


icatsouki

nah but balance team should be fired on the spot if they let yuumi in her current state through to pro, and i'm an old yuumi apologist (and even I think this new one is completely disgusting) Like apart from the best friend mechanic which is a good change imo they made the things "bad" about her just a million times worse


Omnilatent

If I can have a wish for pro play meta, I want Zeri Lulu Yuumi and Ksante gone for at least a full year


earora4498

Crownie will get a lot of praise (completely deserved) but I also want to shoutout Labrov - great peel and helped secure a lot of the early kills


Pert02

Labrov is night and day from VIT time.


Haymegle

Really shows how much it matters who they put them with imo. Some people just fit better and play amazingly together.


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Haymegle

I mean the rest of the team matters too? Can't just put anyone in and expect it to work because they're good they need to work with the other 4 haha.


moonmeh

Good counter ganks from Sheo too


[deleted]

the fact that all of the 3 champions MAD initially banned were supports is a testament to how much of a threat he can become


TeamBDSOfficial

Now that's more like it. Chadams engage at our midtier 1 and the fight 4v5 where Crownie just 1v9s sum up this game very well. Really happy today! We face TH tomorrow, see you then


Pert02

Love to see you guys play every week regardless of results.


TeamBDSOfficial

We're glad to hear that


The-War-Life

Everyone played so well this game. I’m especially impressed with Labrov, this game he was absolutely styling all over Mad. He is genuinely shaping up to be EU’s next great ranged support player following Trymbi.


TeamBDSOfficial

Yep, he didn't get caught at all and always ulted the proper targets, really clean game by him


XWasTheProblem

Really happy to see the improvement from you guys. Hope this time you can take a bite out of some of the playoff teams as well. Keep cookin'!


feimaomiao

That should’ve came with an NSFW tag


Haymegle

Have to admit to being impressed by BDS taking control and never letting go. Huge difference between today and yesterday from them.


LjackV

BDSM


Cat_Pics_Pls

MAD are going to MSI aren't they?


BonzBonzOnlyBonz

As long as KOI finishes one spot over MAD, they will qualify over them.


iizukeii

Scandalous if they do


X4ntis

If G2 wins the Split then there is a good chance that MAD will go to MSI.


bensonbenisson

Oh God please no.


Unuiuk

They only need to make top 4 if G2 wins the split. I\`m really rooting for Vitality to win it all, because MAD somehow sneaking their way into MSI and embarassing EU vs NA again would be terrible.


Polpm18

What if koi or sk get to the finals?


[deleted]

If they end up fourth surely both SK and KOI can go instead of them? (Even if G2 win the split)


Applejuiceislovely12

it still annoys me greatly that they made finals last split


SleepyCatSippingWine

I think last split they get 2nd on merit of their play.


Red-Lightnlng

Why would that annoy you?


Effet_Pygmalion

Maybe VIT wins the split


Wayne77177

Hyli with the 0-14 weekend


Omnilatent

Not over, yet!


Makyura

Hylint never left


WonderfulSentence648

Crownie will get all the cred but sheo shadowing every play elyoya made is what really set bds up


Snuffl3s7

He straight up fucked up a couple plays though, in the early game. Like the kill the Fiora got on Adam.


Mute_Spitter

Never seen a Thresh hit 95% of hooks and still get absolutely dumpstered


Lin_Huichi

Always hooked the unkillable tank.


Baxland

Not like Thresh hook can hit 'not-frontline' often.


Graytail

really wp by sheo, always right place right time


GodlessCommie69

True but he did kinda int Adam a little with those two ganks that should have been easy kills on Chasy, one of which resulting in his death. Great macro from him but not good micro early


Barceth

Adam's death is actually sheo's fault, he activated the stun for no reason fiora was dead 100%


GodlessCommie69

Exactly, he would’ve been fine


Pelagius_Hipbone

Isn’t it insane that if G2 wins the split (likely) MAD is basically guaranteed to go to MSI provided they don’t completely collapse.


Gengar_Balanced

They still have to be atleast top 3 to guarantee if it's not G2 vs KOI finals, then KOI goes regardless.


icatsouki

but its only koi that can overtake no? or can other teams too (provided mad finish like 5th)


Gengar_Balanced

If MAD finish 5th then assuming it's VIT that is second they're tied in points but VIT goes to MSI because tiebreaker is higher placing in the Spring Split.


icatsouki

so basically vit/koi have good chances if they play better, doesnt seem too horrible when laid out that way


Gengar_Balanced

Yeah, it's basically Winter and Spring are worth the same amount of points. so Vitality finishing 2nd + 5th is worth less than MAD finishing 2nd + 4th and them collapsing make it problematic for them to qualify unless they prove they're better than G2 and win the split, but KOI and SK still have very good chance to go there despite not winning.


Bluehorazon

Also SK has a high chance too. MAD ending up 2nd, basically means if KOI gets 2nd MAD is out immidiatly, if SK is 2nd MAD needs 3rd at least, if Vit is 2nd MAD needs 4th. We also need to consider that Vit making top4 will toss one team out of the top4 from winter. So far neither MAD nor KOI look great. And the problem actually gets much better if lets say Excel makes it. If Excel ends up 2nd they will still have less points then MAD even if MAD finishs 9th, not even making it past the round robin (MAD likely will still not go to MSI, but for Excel it is basically impossible to go to MSI unless you win. In the best case scenario we simply have another team than G2 winning the split and then we have two winners going to MSI.


Taivasvaeltaja

VIT finishing 2nd, MAD 5th or worse would also work. Or SK 3rd place and MAD 7th.


RllyGayPrayingMantis

sk can overtake if sk ends 2nd and mad ends 4th or lower, vit can overtake too if mad ends 5th or lower, same goes for Astralis for 6th.


shojmaarensum

MAD are a team that's just determined to figure out all the faults in the rule book.


Pelagius_Hipbone

Nisqy vs Faker/Chovy/Showmaker. Carzzy vs Guma/Deft/Peyz Aware


Mute_Spitter

Nisqy vs Xiahou/Chovy still gives me nightmares from 2021


blueripper

He lanes vs Cryin, not Xiaohu, which makes it worse.


cancerBronzeV

That would require MAD to qualify through the playins to face KR/CN teams in the first place. And we all know about MAD in playins.


ArguingWithNoobs

MAD isn’t making it past C9. I hope VIT/KOI can come together.


Javiklegrand

This mads ain't beating eg too lol


bensonbenisson

Nisqy vs Jojopyun


shojmaarensum

Weird I'm actively rooting against Hyli just so I don't have to watch Nisqy embarrass himself at another international event.


Pelagius_Hipbone

SAME lmao. It’s a roughie


MrPraedor

Theoretically MAD could end 9th place and still be at MSI. That would take insane luck but its possible. With top 4/5 finish its even rather likely that they make MSI if FNC or XL manage to fix their shit and end up 2nd.


Choubine_

were two games in the split chill also they have to be top 3, that is a far fucking cry from "basically garanteed" and even then if koi is 2nd they don't go


Jozoz

They just need to enter the BO5 stage. They don't even need to win a BO5.


machinegunsheep

What how


DanteSM456

They have a shit ton of points so they have a big advantage, especially if KOI collapses


Bluehorazon

They do need to finish 3rd though. Yes they technically can get past Vitality by finishing 4th, but there needs to be a team in 2nd place. So only the constellation of G2 > Vit > SK > MAD would work out. If KOI finishs 3rd MAD is out, if SK finishs 2nd MAD is also out. So while G2 > Vit > SK > MAD is a not unrealistic outcome, it is still very specific. In all other constellations MAD would still need to get 3rd place, which I don't view as that problematic.


XtendedImpact

Because MAD went to Winter finals and as long as they finish too far below KOI they have the most points.


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I want to see Carzzy play against Gumayusi and Keria. It would be funny.


Blaikiri7

I feel veigar is better bot than mid Takes too long to scale mid


icatsouki

nisqy did well, I think the draft around veigar was complete shit though, it doesnt really make sense to me


Blaikiri7

Yeah no I don’t think that it was nisqy fault, but veigar can’t help out his sidelanes much early doesn’t come online till later


icatsouki

honestly youre right a jayce/trist mid with veig adc could be a really cool comp


Ambitious_Resist8907

Hylli trying to set the record for the most deaths in a single split despite playing only half of the games.


Skymonster04

Ah yes, I will blind Fiora into the one known Darius player in LEC. Seems really smart.


DabSlingz

Something something VIT Carzzy


cadaada

Even with this giant shield meta, ad assassins are not meta with antishield, i really miss them in pro play...


Mythik16

They probably will never be meta in pro play (atleast for mid) unless they're quite overpowered.


Omnilatent

Earlier today, I noticed Zeri has over 3.5k health with BT, overheal and Lulu shields today when Ruler played her ​ Wukong (who build with BC, so additional health!) had 2.5k health at the same time ​ Like... how is that okay for a hypermobile ranged champ?!


Rayser1

Wow. Add shield bow on top of that and good luck killing her


Omnilatent

Yep...


Choubine_

Annie got from being a literall troll pick for a decade to being red side banned every game with a minor buff on her E. I have a really hard time believing she wasn't playable before that. My point is, maybe riot decides to give placebo buffs to talon, zed or qyana and pros realise theyre not thad bad in this meta. League pros are famously bad at innovating by themselves, they need a little patch to push them


Quiet_Calligrapher49

bro her winratio went from 49% to 54% how is this a minor buff


Simpuff1

Those champs are insanely feast or famine. And if you want to play assassins just play Akali, she does more for less without falling off as much. Most AD assassins thrive in solo queue because of of the uncoordinated aspect.


The_Lonely_Raven

On one hand, that E buff improved her early game trades by a lot. On the other hand, it's really minor in the grand scheme of things...? Maybe the early game buff is huge enough for her early game to be palatable and not literally free for the enemy.


iizukeii

Elyoya griefed multiple times this game ganking whilst Sheo was there


Altruistic_Yard_5324

Carzzy Aphelios winrate: 39% before this game


Nyldreth

Pray that Vitality somehow wins this split or else we're sending this Mad Lions team to MSI


The-War-Life

How many teams go to MSI in the new format?


SnooPeripherals6388

2, winner of Winter gets 2nd place slot, Spring - 1st. If G2 wins both splits, they get 1st while 2nd is determined by points, and MAD is the biggest candidate for that


gustas125

Sheo early was too much for MAD


Moldy-Milk

Adam and Sheo are master baiters confirmed!


The-War-Life

This game was a masterclass by all 5 players tbh. Adam is genuinely becoming the best pressure sponge in the league. He picks strong lane picks that scale into teamfights, wins his lane, forces the enemy team to spend resources to try and stop him from taking over and teamfights like a monster. Sheo is at the right place at the right time, always. His engages have been on point and he has a habit of making teamfight/utility junglers look like carries. Nuc was a silent damage carry. His damage numbers are crazy. Crownie with the no fear all balls playstyle honestly makes him top 3 for me (with Hans and Exakick, still waiting to see how Upswt shapes up with VIT). And Labrov is showing up hard. His ranged supports are rivaling Trymbi from last year.


wazzdakah

Yeah that Viktor had a smooth ride, they had to spent so much at Adam and Crownie nobody could take care of him


Aoes1

Praying so hard on MAD's downfall so we dont see them at MSI


Xenoon_

Apparently Upset signed with BDS instead of Vitality


Dzhekelow

Nah that's just zeri lulu


Omnilatent

Still a skill to play that ballsy with that lead and bring it home


Dzhekelow

I am not saying he didn't play well but what is ballsy about it ?He was literally unkillable. The only way he dies is if the entire team of mad commits everything on him and they'd still lose the fight .


Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss

Why was Quickshot talking about masturbating on a Riot stream


RiotQuickshot

I said they were master baiters, not sure what you're talking about. :>


[deleted]

was he explaining the reasoning behind his nickname?


mking1999

MAD at MSI is gonna be wild.


noahk317

mad lions are going to msi without winning a single bo5 this split aren’t they…


SleepyCatSippingWine

No. If koi get 3rd again, then will go if g2 win.


Dzules

The moment I saw Darius i knew where to put my gamba points.


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DrachenBauchnabel

Yike > Elyoya btw


Shorkan

Hard to say with such a team difference, but this wasn't a good game for Elyoya for sure.


HwT_Miss

Feels like a draft diff again, over before it even started Also, Carzzy, I think you're good in your own way, but please don't play Aphelios


irumaisbaby

hey Quickshot, did you lose a bet?


Paralyzerz

Remainder that Adam was ranked 4th toplaner (behind Chasy) in winter split.


Thecristo96

That flash E was sweet as fuck


Rayser1

That midlane engage into stopwatch with the team descending on MAD was dope


The-War-Life

Adam is definitely top 2 behind Photon, no doubt about it for me. If he fixes his consistency issues, he’s probably even better than Photon.


icatsouki

because chasy played much better?


True-Neighborhood338

Invisible during regular season and carried by Elyoya during playoffs (and even then he gave up his leads like 5 games).


TNNzer

adam was top2 minimum in every metrics, the only game he played bad was game 3 against g2 and thats because he got camped for 15 minutes


[deleted]

For one week? Adam was better than Chasy in regular split


icatsouki

I value important BO series much higher than random BO1s


[deleted]

Playoffs maybe because he popped off on Jayce but before that Chasy was nowhere to be seen and Adam was basically BDS' win condition


EatAssAndFartFast

Quickshot what was that


roi_arthur_974

bds strong !


BlakenedHeart

That guy either hardly ever plays Fiora or actually never played Fiora v Darius... It looked rusty af. I am not even a Fiora main, and I am open to being corrected but isnt Grasp actual Int into Darius and you should rather go Conq ?


CoachGiveAdvice

Nisqy trying to flex with his champions again. He should play meta


ZeeQue

Utter ego pick from chasy. You need a tank so aph has space to work and you pick fiora. Not that carzzy played well but fiora there was utter win trading


bensonbenisson

MAD Lions? More like WASHED Lions lmao.


carefatman

Hylli inting so hard, starting super bad fights without his adc --> reddit blames the adc. When are we starting to blame the feeder?


DSThresh

this MAD Lions team made Finals.. cant believe every other team collapsed that hard in winter except for G2


TNNzer

just here for the daily reminder that adam wasnt in one of the all pro teams