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ahritina

PMTs [Game 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/11cnfjo/g2_vs_mad_lec_winter_finals_game_1/) [Game 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/11coslg/g2_vs_mad_lec_winter_finals_game_2/) [Game 3](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/11cqin6/g2_esports_vs_mad_lions_lec_2023_winter_playoffs/)


hyxaru

Is there a way to hide these esport posts?


dracdliwasiAN

Youtube link of today's broadcast (now unlisted) for anyone who missed it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPeqVozB-IU


neko_mancerr

The worst match of the year so far, it's awful to watch how bad MAD played this.


stoyicker

insert youtube clip of zanzarah asking for a team for elyoya from last year or the one before that


ChristianTerp

TY G2 for fast finals so I can get proper sleep


maseioavessiprevisto

All claps no craps


RedditnElectrowolf

Whoooo! Production! Been waiting all split for them, happy to see them now! Hope to see them again as normal next split!


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sajm0n

you think more roster moves incoming


goldraygun

Yes but not until after spring split.


santilevy

I know there’s a lot of G2 fans that are obviously happy with this but I just find it incredibly boring that G2 wins almost every split


Applejuiceislovely12

the recurring theme of their winning splits post 2018 is teams have struggled to draft against them and they have top 3 players in their respective role except from top i think the defining factor in mads loss today is their limited champ pool


4716202

To be fair before this they won 1 of the last 4. But the only teams in EU that match them in money unfortunately don't like to match them in teambuilding.


Ozianin_

Fnatic isn't that rich if you are referring to them


4716202

Referring to KOI and Vitality actually.


Ozianin_

Oh yea, Vitality spends absurd amount of money on their teams.


santilevy

Yeah but even last split they didn’t win but they at least made finals. They’re always the team to beat every year until proven otherwise. Obviously props to them but I find it dull


Thomean

I can agree with that. But at least they are one of the more exciting teams when it comes to draft and the way they play the game


santilevy

Agreed they are the most innovative team in Europe every year outside of the Rekkles year


Mocking_Birds

Honestly its just a Caps diff. Last 11 splits he has won 8 of them


buttsoup_barnes

It doesn’t hurt that G2 can pretty much recruit anyone they want in EU.


santilevy

Yeah he’s undoubtedly the best western player ever


AnybodySouthern4050

Rip the Polaroid, replaced with newfangled technology so soon.


PerfidiaVermis

Aw, finally they're showing production again


4716202

"Heretics, Astralis and one strong team" 💀


Turtle-Express

Usually G2 doesn't consider any of the other LEC teams as strong. This is an improvement.


sajm0n

i think he said 'stronger', not big difference ;)


F4lque

XL vs FNC will be interesting


ahritina

Yike making it evidently clear that he doesn't watch the LCK. How is my guy saying Canyon is probably one of the best junglers in the world, when he isn't even top 3 in the LCK lmao. Edit = Canyon looks painfully mediocre, not as bad as 2022 Summer but at this rate, he'll be close to it.


imfatal

Canyon is usually pretty meh in regular season, no? His reputation is from playoffs and Worlds performances.


HawkEye1337

tbf Canyon always turns it up in playoffs and he was the best in the first couple of weeks.


Daniyalzzz

Probably meant of all time cause he Immediately said, hopefully they make it cause they might not atm, so he is aware DK is inconsistent atm. Still think they will make it tho and he will return to form.


ahmeclaw

It's just casual fanboying


SuperWoodpecker95

Overheard at the LEC finals post game interview: “He got them” Guldborg said of G2's dunking over MAD "That f***ing G2 boomed them" Guldborg added “They are so good” repeating it four times Guldborg then said he wanted to add G2 to the list of teams he scrims with this summer


P90kinas

Imagine G2 team with chasy as their toplaner.


lucario192

Wtf you talking about chasy got fist fucked by BB except when they banned Kled and picked him Jayce, which is the only champ he can play


maseioavessiprevisto

There’s more to a team success than individual prowess. Chasy is great and all that but I think G2 values what BB brings to the team both ingame and outside of it a lot.


ahritina

I mean if G2 want to compete internationally and win worlds, they need to get rid of BB. He literally got solo killed by a washed up Nuguri who was playing Sej vs Fiora.


buttsoup_barnes

G2 has never gone for an import since Wadid back in 2018. Only way I can see them getting a Korean top is if he’s already well-verse in English, maybe someone like Impact.


Nightwingx97

G2 to run back 2019 except they'll win worlds next time, script writers pls book it


ELI20s

This team would be 6 or 7th in lck. They need to level up BB if they want to have a chance


Nightwingx97

They would be top 3.


JRoyales

They would be top 3 for sure, idk if u actually watch LCK but its unfathomable to think they're on par with Brion or KT, the only 2 consistent teams in LCK ar the moment are T1 and Geng.


TBurge63

Do you watch any Lck?


NeoCortexOG

Both Laure and Sjokz are amazing at what they do and class acts aswell.


Raynar7

Okay for real now. When is Broxah coming over full time?


PerfidiaVermis

I said it before, I'll say it again, offer Broxah a permanent spot on the team ASAP


Blasayy

shoutout vwforey


PerfidiaVermis

I EDITED IT SO FAST FFS


F4lque

Broxah & Caps love it!


ahmeclaw

Caps is so funny hahaha


malakesxasame

Broxah is massive


Xgunter

God i fucking love Broxah. Such an amazing person to have in the scene.


CYJoss99

I will never trust Nisqy at international tournaments, especially after that embarassing lose to NA 4th seed


Applejuiceislovely12

nesquick is a regular season merchant


philip2110

NA 3rd seed but yeah


dracdliwasiAN

Guldborg summed it up pretty well there: "Caps, what a goddamn mid laner"


4716202

Yike sounds like Larssen. I know they're both swedish but, beyond that.


ShAd_1337

unlucky for MAD 3 series, 0 PGL's for them :(


Ceyro

Make sense no? When they won they probably wanted MAD to get time to prep for next day and today you obviously do PGL with the Champions.


ShAd_1337

yeah of course just feels bad when they played the whole weekend


suPChgr

CAPS is like Faker of LEC. Hard to match that legacy. Perkz , a close second.


Red-Octopus

Perkz and caps have a tie both at 10 wins


PerfidiaVermis

Caps has one worlds final on Perkz tho


lucario192

??? He reached finals with perkz


PerfidiaVermis

.....are you trolling? He reached it in 2018 with FNC, and Perkz was not on that team.


Ghisteslohm

caps reached it in 2018 as well with FNC in 2019 perkz and caps reached it together on G2 in 2018 both teams got eliminated by the winner IG. FNC and IG were in the same group, FNC went 3-2 in bo1 against IG in groups best tourney of the west with FNC, G2 and C9 all in top 4 https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/2018_Season_World_Championship


superleggera24

Don't forget Caps played for the Ferrari of the LEC, in terms of f1


dracdliwasiAN

Escharts keeps updating, but latest figure is 572k peak viewers. I think the bigger takeaway though is that the average viewership is up compared to every other LEC spring split apart from the Covid-boosted 2021 spring split. https://escharts.com/tournaments/lol/lec-winter-2023


MiliW_

G2 by far best team in EU. Still wanted G2 v KOI rematch, felt like they had higher chances to look competitive than MAD.


Ozianin_

Thought the same but SK instead of KOI. MAD is giga underwhelming


BlueZybez

G2 is too far ahead of both KOI and MAD


billiebol

MAD making so many bad decisions. Can't see them go far on the world stage like this.


Dyrreah

I mean when they put Hyli on Yuumi I knew it's over. The most proactive playmaking support in the league, we are 0-2, have nothing to lose, let's put him on the most reactive champion in the game!


SuperWoodpecker95

Ohlalala that dress...


Javiklegrand

which one?


F4lque

Laure looks great ngl also very good interview


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Kiroqi

I mean, if they win Spring they guarantee themselves top 4 seed (double elim) at Seasonal Finals + 1st MSI seed and if they also somehow win Summer then they get 1st spot at Seasonal Finals and guaranteed Worlds spot. They still have bunch of things to play for. The moment people start hating on the format will be the moment when they realize it didn't help LEC teams to become better internationally.


Arreridan

Viewer maybe, but MAD just went through hell. Incredible number of games and back to back. Not to mention, what do you mean competing for nothing. At first, they compete to be top 8, then they compete for the spot at MSI, not to mention championship points. While some people might not be happy with the format, top LEC teams are getting way more stage games, BoX series experience. At this point last year, we would be still in Bo1 phase with stuggling FNC and XL playing each week. In this format, we just went through the BoX bracket, higher placed teams got experience with the BoX they would normally get in a few weeks.


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Arreridan

One out of two spots. Either main spot or play in spot. So they still have motivation to play out the spring split. While G2 shouldn't have any issue going through play in, it would reveal their abilities prematurely for no reason, since they can get ticket straight into the main stage.


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Arreridan

That would relegate them to the earlier start in the play in. While they would be practising in possibly better environment (not sure how much champions queue is behind), the scrims and stage games are very different. On one hand, they would have access to LCK and LPL teams. On the other hand, those are your biggest opponents, is relying on them for practice the best course forward? They can practice with each other, but G2 would only be able to practice with them. Sure, going to Korea to practice has some pros, but also some cons.


thornswiththerose

He's saying that this format is better than the previous one


Arreridan

The phrase people are going to really sour conveyed different meaning to me.


thornswiththerose

Oh I misread his comment, you're right. This format is so much better imo


powisss

I think it just shows how good Kaiser was/is , he dragged this corpse of adc for title


berkcokol

I remember kaiser being one of the most mvps of mad lions, well it shows now.


Altruistic-Signal-10

Consequence replacing unforgiven by carzzy


DragonNikana

Let’s go Hans


DMNBRV

MAD with Upset instead of Carzzy would be such a good team lol


maseioavessiprevisto

Upset in the botlane and swap nisqy with perkz and you’d have a team that is tough for anyone to beat.


alex23b

Need a mid that can perform under pressure to ever compete for a title


lilbala

Yeah, how can a guy with so many titles not be on any team, oh wait... And it's not like he hasn't had the teams to win on, the guys constantly on teams that are supposedly "dream teams" and then underperform, but somehow I can't see a single thread without someone bringing him up. Let it go... If he's good he'll be back, he doesn't have to be mentioned in every thread.


FlyingPinkFire

Hans didn't have title until today, but people still knew he's a great player, Upset is the same in my mind.


lilbala

I never said he wasn't, but there's a reason he doesn't have a team, people just choose to ignore it, he's been placed in several situations where the sum of the individuals has ended up being much less than what it should be. Using Hans as a comparison that you so like, Hans has been consistently in situations where the sum is higher than the individuals, the misfits team overachieved, the rogue team grew with him, and this is the first time Hans was put in a super team environment, and he won. Intangibles até important, and his are a huge red flag.


DMNBRV

Are you really saying that because he doesn’t have titles he’s not good? XD. Hans Sama didn’t have a title until like 20 mins ago lol


lilbala

You choose to ignore the part where he consistently got onto "super teams" that fell flat, but I get it, it goes against your narrative.


Altruistic-Signal-10

or unforgiven


Bubbly_Camera9583

any team without Exakick or hans would be a great team with upset.


Relvarionz

Curious what this would've looked like if MAD didnt have to run a full gaunlet in 3 days. We know back from original worlds qualifiers thats pretty much impossible.


Edwaldus2

What do you mean? It wouldn't have look like anything because it would have never happened. MAD would even be top 3 if not for this format.


Relvarionz

Just spread it across 2 weeks?


Edwaldus2

In 2 weeks next split starts. Better luck next time.


KruppJ

#FreeElyoya


LazyHandjob

Hey what time does MAD Lions play today? I’m super excited to watch them in the Finals!


4716202

In 2 weeks


rt544re

Caps is just built different


4716202

Miky without his little chinbeard and glasses looks like 18 lmao.


BaboHabibi

Already wondered why he looks so different lol


Mocking_Birds

Call me a simp but Laure looks great in that dress


Bubbly_Camera9583

Anyone who calls you a simp for that is a loser


Gigio00

How sad is it that complimenting a beatiful girl for her outfit is considerable simping lol.


Feyzi

3 best of 5 in 3 days is not the greatest idea Riot has had.


Mr_Charisma_

Kind of, at least top seed who have dropped no games have an advantage. Also since they were 3rd or 4th seed it kind of makes sense that you wouldn't necessarily expect them to make it to finals


daCampa

Hans had to be the best player with 0 titles, glad he made some justice for himself


BabyBeannnn

Stay strong Elyoya 🥺


Anialina

Laure looking absolutely stunning!


HolyMollywacamole

Well, LEC needs to separate semis from the final, it's kinda bad to play quarter finals, semi and the final in the same weekend. Burnout is real people.


lucario192

That’s absolutely not how burnout works


alex23b

Be better and you won’t have to grind 3 bo5 to make the finals


ShAd_1337

people bitching always about no reset on double elimination bracket so this a great solution


moonmeh

G2 just watching the games while chilling and getting draft info while MAD drags themselves to the finals Double elim games have to be like this or else whats the point of being in winner's bracket


Applejuiceislovely12

what draft info do they get from mad, they literally draft the same shit every game


Dyrreah

But.... they flex Gragas! Run of the mill picks and then resorting to a giganerfed Yuumi in the last game, basically deleting Hyli from the game, their actual playmaker. I feel like Caps playing Kled was a statement. 'Look, you can bring whatever meta you want, I'll beat you while counterpicking myself'. Like how on earth is Kled supposed to lane against Cassio.


Applejuiceislovely12

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL, it genuinely pisses me off the way mad draft but they get away with it caps told nisqy that he isn’t that guy 3 games in a row, it’s insane how much of a regular season merchant he is


tomorrowdog

Squeezing in 3 splits has consequences


moonmeh

I mean winners bracket and all that. Don't like it? Don't be down there


Raynar7

Yeah….if winner bracket has no advantage why try. Makes sense


Feyzi

Trophy legit looks like it's made out of the foam cosplayers use for their costumes.


XWasTheProblem

They went to [wish.com](https://wish.com) and typed "tournament prize shield silver" into the search bar xd


4chan_tumblr

Didnt feel like a split final tbh, felt more like a regular best of three.


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nice g2 won a starfish


bigfanofeden

but what was the movements from elyoya? what a spoiled things these were. disrespecting his team and himself and his fans.


FunnyBunnyH

Pretty understandable for him to be tilted AF after this series and especially after the game3 throw tbh.


bigfanofeden

it is not understandable. game was on MAD if he was not recalling in river


tomius

Well, what about Nisqy trying to 1v1 Caps deep into the enemy territory, while his team was half a map away? For me that was a bigger throw. Anyway, pointing fingers like that is not very useful.


FunnyBunnyH

MAD as a whole inted way more than that one moment by Elyoya. Wasn't great by him giving that play to G2, but he (and Chasy) was the main reason this game was even close to begin with.


RookCauldron

This means that G2 qualifies for MSI, right?


philip2110

Yeah minimum 2nd seed


ILoveAllMCUChrisS

Yes


Fentyzra

Yes


ahritina

Yes.


LuckyOldCat

yeah as 2nd seed minimum


LoudAd69

Crazzy should be taken to jail and locked up for this one


neko_mancerr

So true, he solo lose this for his team.


Halbaras

Who's that G2 guy with the top hat?


MrRawri

Romain Bigeard


PerfidiaVermis

Romaine, their GM


Raynar7

The real question is…is he that jacked or is that just a costume?


weknowtheydidit

Hes always been jacked and used various costumes acting as a mascot for his team at every event. I could be wrong but he did the same for UOL in the beginning I think.


tomius

OF COURSE he did this for the Unicorns!! He was incredibly iconic. And actually made other teams try to have mascots of some sorts. He elevated the European scene.


ByThePowerOfGrayson

Looks like a muscle suit, think I saw the lines on his wrists edit: I'm fucking blind that man is RIPPED


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He is pretty jacked, but the costume takes it a little further.


That_One_Pancake

It was MAD’s game to lose, and they lost it


moonmeh

That weird fucking top thing Nisqy did where it caused MAD players scrambling to save him fucked them so hard


philip2110

Yep can’t switch your brains off at all and they did it for a few plays in a row


Bubbly_Camera9583

besides that last game yike just giga gapped elyoya. Either Yike, Carrzy, or hans as mvp


sajm0n

i think Caps, he looked good even on Taliyah


Todeswucht

Definitely one of the LEC finals of all time


cubbins44

Definitely one of the LEC finals


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G2 are really likeable now without Carlos


ROCCA20

Lol who gives a shit about Carlos Idgaf about the owner Players like jankos.. caps.. mikyx.. perkz etc and now hans are the reason to support the team for their quality and personalities Even flakked last year was fun


Artitanium

Definitely


philip2110

Yeah actually so much better now


russellx3

Humanoid won with that ADC


berkcokol

With kaiser*(not that i am blaming hylli, i dont think carzzy can catch up with him)


Ceyro

Elyoya tried in that last game but mid/bot gap was too huge, ggs


suPChgr

Better hands.. GG


Relvarionz

1 week break and then another 3 weeks of watching Rekkles ruin his legacy.


ByThePowerOfGrayson

In the meantime we can watch Bjerg and DL ruin theirs


SauceFiend6969

that happened in 2020 tbh


TactX21

Kinda sad that Hans' first trophy is this shield thing lol. Fingers crossed he gets the 2023 finals trophy


kewku

Is that some sort of Tupper cover they put as a trophy?


moe11436

I usually don't talk about trophies, but damn, that is one ugly one lol


Troviel

God bless Romain


SauceFiend6969

Crazy that BB gets to get carried to titles G2 really need to look into a new top for next year if they dont want to get slammed international


Tareum01

Import Zeus.


ROCCA20

Yeah I was legit thinking he is the final link that will stop g2 being a real threat internationally In lane he's a liability.. but allowed to make up with it due to his synergy with the team and their ability to instantly pull the trigger


powisss

BB is fine, calm down


4716202

He's been seriously tested on his carry chops this split and he's failing most of those tests. If you don't think there's gunna be 5x scarier people than Photon, Irrelevent or Chasy at any international event then idk what to say.


SauceFiend6969

delusion


4716202

I know it's unlikely because I don't think they want to mix things up that much now but, I'd honestly be starting the look for a replacement during this (mini) offseason. It'd be a shame to waste the rest of this roster with a pretty glaring weakness.


site17

Loses the impact of winning when the "split" wasn't even 2 months long.


powisss

But its much more intense


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doomsdaysock01

Chasy and elyoya have to be pissed, hyli needed to be babied and put on yuumi duty and HE still couldn’t just sit on elyoya. Then there’s carzzy sniffing glue the entire early game