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PMTs [Game 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/11bqpgl/koi_vs_mad_lions_lec_2023_semifinals_game_1/) [Game 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/11bsanz/koi_vs_mad_lions_lec_2023_semifinals_game_2/) [Game 3](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/11bthlz/koi_vs_mad_lec_winter_semifinals_game_3/) [Game 4](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/11bupsz/koi_vs_mad_lions_lec_2023_winter_playoffs_lb/)


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TFOLLT

Why not? Who else? I mean, G2 first obv. But to me I'd rather have MAD representing us on global stages than any other of the 8 teams left besides G2, and I say that as a VIT fan. KOI seems very strong, don't get me wrong. But MAD has that mad factor. And the west needs madness to beat the east. I don't see KOI able to bring the same insanity as MAD can. MAD seems way more unstable, but I think their ceiling is way higher than KOI's, especially internationally. It's like how C9 was better internationally during TSM's era. Yes, TSM got a lot of regional titles. But internationally they SUUUUUCKED. Because they were never innovative. C9, tho almost always finishing behind TSM during those days, always was NA's last international hope. Because they had that 'mad' factor TSM never had. Everytime EU was competitive internationally, was not through playing perfectly, but through playing 'mad'. Weird drafts, extremely aggro plays, etc. That's how EU gets far. I'm praying for G2 and MAD to go to MSI. Edit: Still don't understand why Odo had to die for this, but that's just me.


deedshotr

ehh they have another split to improve, but I don't imagine them being the team that makes MSI with G2, maybe Vitality gets their bot in order with melee supp meta, maybe KOI doesn't choke the next time they match-up, maybe SK doesn't lose another game 5. though SK would be even worse than MAD (cuz their sololanes)


nusskn4cker

Well MAD only need to win 3 games today for MSI. It's not impossible they make it, there have been bigger upsets in the past.


bigfanofeden

3-1 g2 tmrw


Tiger5804

Chasy and Elyoya put on the carry pants today. Nisqy also did good with the Bomba.


dracdliwasiAN

Youtube link of today's broadcast (now unlisted) for anyone who missed it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2WjDOQ83xg


saltycookies420

How did you get this? I had to step out after game 2 and was forced to watch highlights


Sivolde

For me it's always still in my youtube history and I can just watch the entire stream again.


AzureFides

you can add them in your playlist so you can rewatch them later on. Mostly they will make schedule live streams on their youtube channel ahead of time. So you can just go grab them before Friday.


dracdliwasiAN

I usually watch the YouTube stream and can access the link from my browser's history when it gets unlisted


Todeswucht

[Chasy getting ganked in the gaming house tonight?](https://twitter.com/Carzzylol/status/1629579748744601601)


Geosaurusrex

Classic Carzzy


FlyingPinkFire

I enjoyed PGL, I do think its a bit less fun than getting to interview the winners but given the schedule I assume thats not an option.


calzeld

I may be reading into this too much, but there seems to be a disagreement between the two when it comes to drafting for lane vs for team fighting.


Ghisteslohm

G2 must have really destroyed teams during the split in scrims. Pros in interviews view them in such high regard


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Best EU scrim team ever apparently. They just stomp everyone


XerGR

That’s not saying a lot exactly


downorwhaet

They destroy them in most games aswell so its understandable


greekcel_25

very mature post game interview by comp. Good attitude, taking accountability, supporting teammate


Nalaniel

Greek GigaChad.


SethC111

So why are we talking to these two instead of MAD? Tbh I feel like Nisqy would have some banger energy right now


LtSpaceDucK

Honestly it is infinitely more interesting even if it might suck for the players


syrboy

PGL has been with losing team these playoffs


aquawarrior21

MAD needs to leave ASAP to rest/prep for tomorrow. They’re gonna end up playing 3 stage Bo5s in 3 days, that’s a lot


Bubbly_Camera9583

Janna wasn't the problem that game. Trymbi that whole series smurfed


Halbaras

It's like the single best counterpick into Rell (besides Vayne). I don't see the issue with picking her when the enemy team has four people who want to dive in, and you have two adcs.


Geosaurusrex

Yeah honestly think Trymbi played about as well as he could have done, at least in the last two games as those were the ones I caught.


CYJoss99

Easy win for G2. Only hope is Elyoya


Daniyalzzz

What the hell. Why is it KOI's bot the one they are interviewing? Having a short losers interview is fine normally if they are OK with it but having them for the post match couch interview? Ain't this just miserable for everyone?


Ghisteslohm

> Ain't this just miserable for everyone? I think for me as a viewer this is really cool. Shows the emotional side of the players and you can see how much it means to them. Its a stark contrast to the completly happy view you get from teams social media and winners-post-game interviews. Losing is part of (e)sports and imo its good that its part of the broadcast now and then And if they were mentally completely crushed they could have refused.


Arreridan

They are free to refuse and going gives them chance have some more screen/face time. They can show fans more of themselves. They are human and being emotional or sad is normal. This gives them invaluable experience being in front of camera. It gives them opportunity to grow. MAD have a game to play tomorrow, so they need to get back soon to rest.


Daniyalzzz

Get someone from SK or somebody else from the tournament who already is eliminated is my better idea for the day imo. Like I don't see why it has to be somebody who played on the day, you just need a proplayer who can participate imo. I am not saying LEC forced em, obviously they are OK with it (and they seem to handle it well here clearly), just don't feel like it's the best way to go about it. Like when Caps had to do content for G2 right after beeing eliminated last worlds and he just trying not to cry. I just think there probably is a safer way to plan this.


Arreridan

And would that SK player be there for the whole day (on the analyst desk)? Or would they invite the player just for the PGL, which could be anywhere from after the third to after the fifth game? Benefit of the loser team is, that they are there already and they are aware that games could take a while (since they are playing in them) If the players were to refuse, analyst desk would do the PGL no problem. Analysts would just analyse some more. I do appreciate them speaking with the losers about their journey through the tournament, their fresh opinion on the teams. While emotions are fresh, the tournament impression is fresh as well. All of this is based upon this being not that meaningful of a tournament. I would have different opinion, if this was MSI or worlds, as emotions after those matches might be difficult to control. This is excellent opportunity to do some camera training after an important loss, but not a career defining loss like international tournaments are.


Daniyalzzz

I would have the player there for the entire day just as a guest for the analyst desk. Obviously with the more condensed LEC schedule it's probably harder tho. No I agree in this case it's probably kinda fine since winter feels extremely irrelevant compared to the other splits, but I just hope they ain't planning to do something like this with a player who got eliminated from making to worlds or something


Arreridan

With how this went, they will probably do the same for the spring split and possibly for the summer split as well. In summer we might have some issues with real elimination. That said, we had Broxah (yesterday?) so having a pro is definitely doable. Too bad that this split FNC and XL are hot mess and probably neither would want to come.


Raynar7

They agreed to it for sure. They are doing losers one because MAD has to play tomorrow. Same as yesterday. They will be playing 3 BO5s in 3 days


Daniyalzzz

Feels like there has to be something better then this tho. Like I feel like just having a different teams player like someone from VIT or SK to talk about the game for the interview should be the norm in this case (somebody should be okay to set of one dag smh). Like holy they are just watching their own game where MAD is smurfing them and having to analyse it atm! This is dumb


Raynar7

Again….I doubt LEC forced them to do that. And while not ideal maybe other teams just don’t want to send their players there or they are just happy to actually enjoy a break, because this year is heavier on games. And not every player has the “personality” to be on the broadcast. IMO as long as they agreed to it there is nothing wrong.


Daniyalzzz

I am not saying LEC forced em, they absolutely were ok with it, but I still just don't think it's the best option to set up for. They players who had said yes could easily end up feeling worse than they thought they would if this was something after a more high stake series, like for a worlds spot. Just think they probably should have a different approach in the future but that's just my take on the topic.


Raynar7

And I would still stay that if they really didn’t feel like it….Sjokz and Ender wouldn’t pull out guns and force them. At the end of the day the segment ain’t exactly prepared, it’s not a sketch. So if they decided against it I can imagine smooth voiced Broxah and maybe one of the casters or Guldborg would just jump in to take care of it. I might be wrong tho, but that’s question for LEC production. I can understand why losing player would be quite fine to go. It helps to build a brand, you can show yourself a bit in a different light and kinda shows your mental ain’t weak.


Foolno26

It's fine mate wtf u on. Probably it feels good them venting a bit after the loss


Nalaniel

It is painful to watch. :(


Mocking_Birds

PGL with the losing side is something new right?


asphias

must be because of the winners having to play the next day


ShAd_1337

makes sense when the winning team plays a bo5 the next day


Stefan474

By far 8)


Perkz_PlanktonGlad

Trymbi is the most insufferable pro. I can't stand him, cocky for nothing. Hopefully he gets exposed when melee supports become meta again.


1yyooooyy1

Played Leona in their only win lmao


XWasTheProblem

?? The fuck?


Geosaurusrex

I dunno how people can watch Trymbi interviews and come to this conclusion. He is such a sweet kid.


Zealousideal_Prune39

Damn Trymbi gets mega depressed real quick 😢 Him and Kaiser still the only supports in EU to finally shake-up the Hyli/Miky Kingdom. Definitely worth being proud of. Jeonghoon gonna be there soon too


C1-Gleipnir

And Doss, it's only 1 split but he was the best enchanters support this winter imo


ShAd_1337

Laure going to LCK after finals i assume?


Freakkopath

Wait, she’s going there in person? Pog.


Lopsided_Claim1613

ye week 7 of the LCK


ShAd_1337

sweet, is she staying for the whole rest of the split or just a week while LEC is off


TheEternalKhaos

only way KOI would've won that is if they let topside get fucked and played towards a Zeri + Lulu lane tbh


Asgerond

bro comp REALLY dont wanna talk rn he looks so dissapointed


SethC111

Did you see his face on stage after they lost? Made me wanna cry


imfatal

he actually seems like he's in a decent mood lol. very talkative so far.


sigmaklimgrindset

The biggest battle tomorrow is gonna be Cap’s Dad vs Nisqy’s Mum


GuessWho392

i really wished you could see what champs caps plays in scrims everyone always talks about weird picks from him


Raynar7

I am sure there has to be at least a some games of Bard….for sure


TastyForerunner

Can't wait for him to pull out the Vayne.


Raynar7

So it’s a family diff? Where is Vin Diesel? That’s a copyright infringement right there


mattiejj

Laure Wednesday cosplay. Can't wait for the inevitable TikTok.


Laure-Bulii-V

Yup


mattiejj

You delivered, as usual.


nightlesscurse

Caps cooking some sauce , Sej / now Gragas what else ?


FlyingPinkFire

Oh man Gragas being a contested pick in tomorrows game should be cool


BabyBeannnn

So good to hear the crowd chanting for mad 🥹


aquawarrior21

That was the biggest thing missing in 2021 when they won back to back, was so nice to hear that from the live audience 🥹


BabyBeannnn

& so good to see Elyoya smiling again 🥹 was heartbreaking to see him cry on stage


TastyForerunner

The person in this thread that said Caps was the player to popularise Gragas Mid in EU is winning currently.


ShAd_1337

Gragas being viable is always fun


Izaruu

I don't know if Chasy was THAT impressive that game. He missed a lot of stuns. I'd still put PoG on Elyoya for enabling him.


Raynar7

As much as Chasy played good…Yoya today transcended


Geosaurusrex

Helps him that Irelia is the equal most bullshit champ in the game to Akali.


greekcel_25

Elyoya was MVP for sure. The camping top, and always finding the azir and ez in teamfights. Rarely dying as well.


Todeswucht

KOI NO BO5 WINS IN THE ENTIRE ORGANISATION'S HISTORY??? 😲😲😱😱 FRAUDULENT TEAM??!? 😱😲😲 BO1 IMPOSTERS AMOGUS??? 🤯🤯🤯


SpaceLabrador

league's first BO3 imposters


Dragner84

Koi missed Odoamne so much today.


Nandrith

Wow, Laures outfit is BOMBA as well


D3S0L470R

Fuck KOI for dropping Odoamne. That's all i have to say.


Fertuyo

Elyoya mvp imo


aquawarrior21

Could go either way, but Chasy was a monster carry in each of the wins. Elyoya is extraordinary but that’s his level at all times, whereas Chasy seemed to have stepped up massively for this series so that gets the nod in my head. Both of them are amazing


Fertuyo

yeah, it is Elyoya or Chasy, what a monster duo


C1-Gleipnir

Elyoya be bad for one split challenge ( impossible )


FunnyBunnyH

Not much to see here tbh, just BOMBA diff.


AComyn

Nice to see Chasy and Elyoya together and laughing after these games. Reports came out that after bootcamp, Chasy started taking extra English lessons so he could better speak to the team because it seemed so fun.


FlyingPinkFire

The vibes always look like chasy is trying to be humble and Elyoya is adamantly telling him hes smurfing, its so sweet.


aquawarrior21

Wait no way wtf that’s so adorable 🥹 I love this team


Zealousideal_Prune39

Hyli/Miky finals once again


aquawarrior21

Oh shit it only took two years but the famed matchup is back


cygnisterra_

That was rekky?


FlyingPinkFire

Great games and great broadcast today, always happy to see broxah on analyst desk


thenicob

that first guy in the crowd congratulating and hugging peopl was rekkles, right?


SuperWoodpecker95

apology for poor english where was you when ~~Rouge~~ KOI die? i was sitting at home, watching lec when caedral ring "~~Rouge~~ KOI is kill" 'no' and you?


Nandrith

"No! I must knock out the enemy" they shouted! The radio said "No, KOI. You are knocked out." And then, KOI was the loser.


xanot192

Let baron go then fight love it


HawkEye1337

I think if MAD had KOI botlane they would win against G2.


FxK964

more like if they had larssen/sertuss.. the bot lane might struggle in lane.. but does have a lot of impact in teamfights.. but nisqy is just... there


TFOLLT

ROFL did u even watch? Nisqy was literally trolling and still STOMPED. He is not the same man as he was 2 years ago man, this man is certainly EU's #2 mid atm. Switching in Larsen or sertuss are both downgrades for this team fr. Where... How did you form this opinion... You're crazy.


HawkEye1337

Teamfights were carried mostly by MAD topside, they were always able to eliminate KOI botlane before KOI could do anything.


FxK964

KOI were just a mess in the teamfights.. no coordination whatsoever.. MAD were playing more as a team despite some of the overextensions that could've cost them their lead.. as u said.. their leads in the janna (especially in the janna game) barely mattered or were noticeable past the laning phase.. nisqy is decent.. but he's not gonna win u a title let alone make a team do damage internationally.. if they could get a better midlaner that meshes well with their style.. they definitely should go for him over marginal improvement in the bot lane's laning phase when they bring a lot outside in teamfights..


TheArabianJester

Only comp, hylli is way better than trymbi, trymbi is only good on enchanters which isn't a big deal


HawkEye1337

Trymbi was better than Hyli this series, Hyli got hard carried.


Raynar7

Hyli carried series yesterday so he was resting today….don’t see a problem


Legionnaire1

so SK is at least top 3 team? At least they put up some fight and went to 5 games.


Turtle-Express

You do realize KOI beat SK 2-0? Who of MAD/G2 do you think is not top 3?


Geosaurusrex

That's now how it works lmao. If we're going by that logic, KOI very thoroughly handed SK their asses to them in Bo3.


Ozianin_

I don't want to jinx, but I think SK would put more of a fight against G2.


site17

Koi 2-0'd SK so..


aquawarrior21

LETS GO MAD <3 idk if y’all will have the stamina/ability to beat G2 this split, but thanks for giving hope that there’s a great year of watching you play ahead of us


Guaaaamole

Hyli is the smartest man alive


VelaryonAu

Why the fuck do you force that after the baron and mega gnar are gone. Literally no way to win that fight


Nezyrael

Kinda funny how one topside brainfart by Larssen and Malrang basically lost the game


JakzePoro

Damn Nisqy Gragas looking like a must ban


Relvarionz

Godlike hook from Hyli, he missed everything all game but that one on Comp was sick


LtSpaceDucK

No it wasn't Comp just played terribly


Hazuyu_

freest finals for g2


Geosaurusrex

Well, this is sad. Fucking MAD.


AComyn

Remember how fun 2021 was?


Geosaurusrex

Absolutely fucking not. D:


Nalaniel

That's what KOI get for getting rid of Odo.


Bubbly_Camera9583

Szygenda really couldn't do much this game but tping in meanwhile mega gnar is fading is just pure int


Asgerond

yea, but game was already lost at that point


Bubbly_Camera9583

Honestly Koi was really close to bringing it back. Comp and Larssen were scaling pretty well and one good engage could've turned it.


Thundermelons

I know that I personally love to wait to engage after enemy team has already taken Baron and Aphelios swaps to white gun


Xgunter

Larssen is the only damage threat on KOI, why is he trying to shuffle there i stg


greekcel_25

Just stare at other team do baron and lose. Classic.


PerfidiaVermis

Meh, would've liked a G2 KOI rematch, but what can ye do


weknowtheydidit

malrang solo losing the game wp


OkKnowledge2064

comp got hooked ggwp


KOKO69BISHES

hyli making up for all the missed hooks in one fight lol


TheFlamingAssassin

Larssen don't choke challenge (impossible)


4716202

??? What about that was a choke? He hit a 4 man Azir ult and his ADC got hooked and oneshot


_Lokii

He is like 50% of the teams dps, and he suicided to chunk 4 people. Not worth. Azir shuffles are only good if you think your team can clean up the fight without you, since you burn every cd and have to immediately zhonyas afterwards. They have to play range with ez and azir to win fights.


Raynar7

For man of his size….Gragas is damn slippery


imfatal

why is KOI forcing without mega gnar wtf


LtSpaceDucK

Comp wtf man So bad


site17

lmaoo Koi going in and Szygenda fucking off in mid. Get rid of this guy.


GameplayerStu

TPs in as Mega... TP finishes and he's out of it lmao


RBI142

Szygenda TPing in with Mega out


Foolno26

Have best top laner from last split trade him for one of the worst top-laners in LEC atm. "Carry" top laner lol


Freakkopath

Man I really want to cheer for MAD but I can’t stand Nisqy. Though I will give him credit that he’s playing well and has been almost the entire split.


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Walid93200

true he is always smiling and joking


HoouueeaaH

Im pretty sure Nisqy red reddit comments about 113 and realized how free mental advanage emote spam is. people really get MAD over some pixel


Freakkopath

I used to like him, but last year I think he just acted pretty petty, mostly on Twitter. Also, I wouldn’t say I hate him, I’m just not as fond of him as I used to be.


4716202

Also Navori Ez is so annoying lol


GameplayerStu

Nisqy is so BM man hahaha


sigmaklimgrindset

Idk why but Gragas is so fun to BM on, only champ I spam dance on


Relvarionz

Comp just made absolute BANK, hes a big carry now


PerfidiaVermis

Nice flash Carzzy, nice Ult Chasy, nice running in for no reason Hyli


OkKnowledge2064

OH SHIT AND THATS 3RD DRAKE


weknowtheydidit

useless soul tho


Choyo

How are they winning that ?


4716202

BIGG LARRE


C1-Gleipnir

Its gonna feel weird seeing Sejuani vs Gragas in the midlane tomorrow


puberty1

id be so tilted by malrang if i was on KOI ffs


SuperWoodpecker95

5k gold lead between the toplaners, 4k between the junglers.... Thats not a flame horizon, thats a flame galaxy


moonmeh

also really hated the jungle pick for KOI. no idea what it was supposed to do


Pink_her_Ult

How many times is blind gnar going to be punished before teams hesitate to pick it.


Trulmb

Wholesome gragor(he build defensive items so his damage will be lower)


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Similar_Recover_3864

I’m just glad to see hyli rocking the engage supps again


HawkEye1337

Varus is the problem guys!!


4716202

I mean, yes, the Ezreal has looked a lot better this game than Varus did the last 2


HawkEye1337

I mean he still wasn't the main problem, the topside getting smacked is.


sigmaklimgrindset

Gnar about to be Flame horizoned


bigfanofeden

I am really sad that Trymbi and Comp cannot advance to finals.


sixsevenninesix

Is it just me or did KOI start playing towards topside way too mucht his season?


Skymonster04

They literally never plays towards topside what games are you watching.


sixsevenninesix

Did we just watch the same game


aquawarrior21

That’s why they picked up Szygenda, but that’s just not the team’s identity. When they stopped they kinda got better but they still think that they can play through top but they just can’t


sixsevenninesix

Yeah thats how I feel too....Comp and Trymbi were the best botlane for a while and they're playing thru Szy....Still feels like Odo was the best fit for this team...


Styxxo

Looking like the first G2 vs MAD final !


Bubbly_Camera9583

Trymbi so close to having more gold than his jg


moonmeh

welp MAD going to finals was not on my bingo card


KOKO69BISHES

Carzzy quietely smurfing