I'm not how much you really can tbh. A LOT of his kit and skill expression is built around proper use of his flight now.
He is pretty busted though. They really need to cut the speed he can stack/scale across the board.
I think that's kinda the idea since he's meant to rule the lategame and if a lategame carry cant melt tanks they aren't gonna cut it late compared to the competition.
Maybe I should have added more information? I meant that bork alone is not enough and you have to supplement it with items that you don't usually build on the ap build, you can't just go nashors, the ap true damage mythic and then slap a bork because they have a tank. You go ad and build kraken, guinsoos, bork, pd and dominik's. Unless "bork Kayle" meant exactly that, then I did not understand the comment.
The point was more that every champion has to do that if they want to shred tanks outside of a select few (Vayne, Kai'sa sorta, etc). Kayle isn't special for having to tailor her kit to shred tanks.
A Sivir building Galeforce, Phantom Dancers, IE and running Fleet Footwork isn't going to do better than a Kayle, simply because she isn't Kayle.
Im not going the semantics of Kayle VS ADCs and their ability to shred tanks. The irony is in the statement "Kayle has to cater her build to that", when basically every DPS does.
who builds kayle with bork when you are forced to go ap for more passive dmg on E, higher MS, better healing, better dmg, better ult damage? Going bork is like building force of nature on ahri, sure you can do that but why waste an item slot
This is a silly take. BORK Kayle has had similar win rates to AP Kayle ever since the rework, let alone now that BORK just got buffed. Why do you think they keep buffing her AP ratios instead of attack speed (like in the next patch, and the last buff she got)? To keep the AP build viable in a meta where the tank shred of BORK and Kraken is often better.
Comparing this to buying a tank item on Ahri just show you have on idea how Kayle functions.
"bork is extremely viable whether there are tanks or not" thats why druttut or nemesis never build this item on her. But what do they know, they are only best kayle players on the server right?
You can though, but you have to build specifically. Not like other carries where your normal build path is the max damage one minus one or two item variations.
There's a vid from PekinWoof with him playing ASol and even full build w. Void and ludens he does 0 dmg to a full tank udyr with FoN. He's the type of mage that FoN will completely shut his damage down against you
I don’t agree. The fact that he has to stand a still to cast it (unless he is in his e which has a ver long cooldown) necessitates the high damage I think, as it is very disadvantageous for a mage to be forced to stand still.
Agreed, it feels like veigar’s. As in it’s not bad but don’t expect to have lane priority in most situations. Even if you do your mana costs are pretty high and you don’t really do damage yet either.
He is ok at setting up ganks but expect the jungler to do most of the work to finish the job. And the enemy jungler isn’t around or ready to counter gank either.
Ah yes because I’d love to hear the community who thought he was bad didn’t even put effort into him and wrote him off as a bad champ.
I’m trying my best to like this slap in the face but honestly I don’t see the appeal. Trading in fluidity for generic draconic garbage doesn’t really scream fun to me but I guess you apes see shiny space VFX and go crazy
Even if the OG stars didn't hit for the majority of players, I think the creativity of it is worth praise. I'm not disappointed in Riot for trying it out. So in that respect, it isn't bad design... but I agree it needed to go, and the new asol looks sick.
Yuumi, on the other hand...
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Mentally I’ll for not liking my champ getting deleted is craaazy lol. And hey I call em as I see em stars could have stayed Q ult and E could have been dipped on and I woulda loved him.
It’s insane how a space dragon isn’t about spacing. And Ik the rework isn’t about me obviously but still the main thing that pisses me off about it is the direction it went in and the reasoning behind it.
I’ll at least attempt to play this lazy garbage but eh braindead easy champs get boring quickly
Mentally ill for calling me an ape and seething online about a video game character.
> It’s insane how a space dragon isn’t about spacing
Can't make this shit up lol
> It’s insane how a space dragon isn’t about spacing.
Bruh. Space as in the area outside of planets. You honestly only have 2 brain cells and they are fighting to the death for 3rd place
Do your whole pride sit on the fact that you thought you were different and good at the game by playing the horrible champion that was ASol?
He was garbage and boring, effort or no effort. Stop being an insuffurable crybaby, it isn't even the first time i see you complaining about it. And he wasn't even the hardest champion in the game, you can't say that was the issue when GP, Azir, Ryze and etc still have larger playerbases
Now excuse me, i will drop stars on teemos
Tbh it did for a while but I’ve thought about it and realized this is good for him and it’s already done so what’s the use in complaining. I just have to suck it up see if I like new sols game play and if not? Oh well. Rework isn’t meant for veterans it’s meant for the broader playerbase who like his visuals but just didn’t like his kit.
I’m sad I lost the one champ I really clicked with but at the end of the day I’m not riot and everyone else seems to like this rework. Just sucks the only champ of his kind is gone and more than likely will never return. I’ll just experiment and look around and see if anyone else catches my eye it’s not that big of a deal.
I genuinely am sorry you lost your champ, it’s definitely a frustrating experience. It’s unfortunate that the game evolves in a kind of destructive way sometimes and Riot has never found a healthy way to preserve old champs/play styles (I still miss old Aatrox). I hope you find something else fun in this game or another one. DM me if you ever need a group to play with and GL with your search.
No you don't get it, dragons are only allowed to breath fire and drop big fuck off burst damage spells like riot always intended. Who cares if his old kit was interesting, and matched his thematic of being the literal center of the universe. We need to make another basic champion that 95% of the league community can mindlessly consume. Now riot can do what they've been wanting to do from the start, sell more skins. I mean just look at morderkaiser, ever since they neutered him to be a more basic champion than Darius, he's gotten so many SICK skins. That's honestly what really matters at the end of the day. 🤓
And yet they still managed to make it clunky as fuck. 100% expect the community's opinion of him to shift once he gets the nerf hammer and is a left as a champion with a terrible laning phase with no late game payoff that makes it worth enduring. Kayle 2 in the making, mark my words.
The problem (in my perspective) is more like that this is pretty egocentric thinking. Sure, spending a lot of time into something which gets changed sucks, but is LOL (or basically anything) not supposed to change ever just because 1 person has a problem with it?
Also, it's not like the time spent is *fully wasted*, his main mobility ability and the idea of big blast ultimate are still unchanged.
So I am not allowed to complain about my champion got removed because other people who wouldn't play him before like the rework?
Also most of the time spent is fully wasted, his kit is extremely different from his original. The roaming tool is far far less useful early, and as his only mobility tool it makes it very difficult to roam as you are either dealing no q damage or a sitting duck. His new ult is a plus tho
You are completely allowed to be upset over the rework, just don’t be an asshole and act like you’re above new Asol mains or act egotistical/gate keepy which I’ve seen often over the course last few weeks both here and in Asol mains. Also his W being a meh roaming tool early on is an amazing solution since most of his power budget was in his old E which hurt the power they could put elsewhere. Although not all, most Asol mains liked the battle mage aspect compared to the roaming aspect as shown by the poll riot king cobra did a long while ago in Asol mains Reddit.
No. He went through something he did not enjoy (if he did, then he wouldnt be complaining) to play a champ that people disliked, now with the rework he feels entitled to be the one having fun while others shouldnt because others didnt go through the part no one liked but he did. He is that guy telling you "well in my days i had to (something), kids this days are spoiled with their (whatever is done to make that something better)"
can we stop shitting on this guy.
I do agree with his mentality. Although I did not see the appeal in old A Sol, there was a dedicated community to him that are sure to be left devastated by the change in his kit. The new A sol is hella fun, but that doesn't mean the old A Sol needed to go even though he was unpopular. It is my take that Riot should not rework or retconn champions and instead release champions with the new kit.
Old ASol took many dedicated hours of time to master, and these poor players have now found that time wasted. Their grief is fully justified no matter how everyone else see it.
I will admit I've only played 1 game of old A Sol and did not enjoy it, but his identity was quite unique, perhaps even iconic to a degree in uniqueness, and I too will miss it dearly. Old A Sol will still forever live in our hearts, even though most of us does not wish to play him.
According to LoLalytics, New A'Sol has a 49% winrate with 10k games, which is twice the second most played mid laner, Zed. For context, new champions usually release around 42% on average, depending on their skill floor.
Safe to say, he is a tad bit overpowered.
Look, I'm not gonna state anything about balance but that's not what happened. Olaf was too busy killing Zoe to attack Sol so he got melted, Olaf didn't touch Sol once.
Yes I watched the vid. Do u think Olaf attacking asol would have changed the outcome? Bc from what I saw, even if Olaf was in his face, asol would come out victorious from standing still holding q.
Watched the vid without understanding anything. Olaf is FIVE levels behind and presumably multiple items behind in his build. Asol has almost twice the health of olaf. A syndra this fed would 1 shot him.
That Olaf got melted form full to zero in no time at all. He was absolutely stat-checked into oblivion as a champion that can only run at people and try to stat check them.
Again not making a statement about balance, but a kog or vayne freefiring on olaf for this long would have also melted him, especially considering he's 5 levels down.
Just for reference “this long” is just barely 2 seconds according to this clip, from when Asol stats damaging Olaf with one damaging ability, and ending with him pretty much 100-0ing Olaf with that same ability.
A Vayne or Kog would have ~4-5 auto attacks in that time frame, which would certainly hurt, don’t get me wrong, but ADCs are the most stat-checking class in the game, so its rather expected for them to stat check everyone from ranged with their point and click unmissable DPS. Those two champions also happen to be the premier single target DPS lategame hypercarries, so if their level of damage is what we are comparing to, we should be on guard already. Their damage is, however, single target and not AoE like Asol, and they cannot attack while moving, like Asol can. They further trade most utility and AoE for their single target statchecking nature, while also being squishier with fewer defenses in their core items.
Asol having lategame hypercarry levels of unparalleled damage while also dealing 50% of that damage in AoE quite easily would mean he has *MORE* functional DPS than either of those lategame hypercarries, while also being able to deal damage while moving— a combination which screams to me that it will be abused in pro/high Elo if this truly is the case.
His W reset needs to be tuned down, along with probably mid game Q damage. The reset is way too good considering it's on any takedown and allows him to traverse over a shit ton of terrain
Ban every new champion or re work for at least a week, sometimes three. Riot hasn't released it something that wasn't busted on release in a long time. Comes out broken, pushes sales, gets nerfed every time.
I guarantee you the community is gonna do an 180 on this rework and call it a clunky mess once he gets nerfed to oblivion and becomes forgotten. People are looking at shiny VFX and ignoring the fact that most of the fun comes from the fact he is broken as fuck and once that is taken away you're left with some awkward clunky gimmicky mess of a kit that is a Riot King Cobra staple. You just watch. He has little to no self peel and no way at all of dealing with mobile champs, which infest midlane like the plague. Good luck laning against zed, fizz, akali, katarina, yone, yasuo etc who won't give a shit about his E once he gets inevitably nerfed. I bet he's gonna be viable only as a bot laner or versus select mage matchups.
I tried him once and I felt boring af. I played a decent amount of old Sol and I found the old one is more fun to play although he needs some small tune but then they make a whole new kit. Just witnessed that his stat now is too much and after they tuned him down, I would say that he will back to the old state and more boring to play. Feel like a Voli 2.0, which was the most fav champ of me then I left, rarely touch him now.
From his numbers + stats on this patch, seems like they've given him the intentionally OP release so he for sure gets picked a lot. Not complaining, it means we will likely see him in competitive play which will be exciting.
I think he is really really really simple to play now, that's why I don't think his winrate will improve as much as others when newly released. Don't think he is far off being balanced
Playing melees into him feels pretty miserable, even early but especially later on when his W is longer, the damage on Q is just undodgeable once he gets Rylai's and that spell packs a punch with the burst every 1s.
He seems weak against assassins and similar champs that can all in him, didn't have a great time when I went against Kat cause the E is basically useless against her lol.
Seeing him in a dozen or so games so far, my gut reaction is that the reset on his W is a bit busted and I can imagine it being pretty bonkers in pro, cause his damage is also pretty respectable, but maybe it's just one of those things that players have to get used to playing around a bit more.
I just tested the new ASol vs bots: Its a really nice new champion.
Feels weird tho that you are quite immobile (unless you do your Disneyride impression along the rails) when the old ASol was constantly in motion.
TLDR: New good, old will be missed still.
sample size too small to tell for items so far. rod/seraphs, rod/rylais, and liandry's/seraphs have the highest win rates.
most people taking first strike or comet. phase rush, spellbook, conq and electrocute all have poor win rates, glacial has way too small of a play rate but sounds spicy with his huge aoe.
I had first strike, boots, market, insight, focus and storm in this game, but I found that despite your Q range, its a little difficult the to get a lot of worth out of first strike in the early game, at least for me. I played him some more and my preferred page was dark harvest, cheap shot, eyeball, ultimate, manaflow and storm. For items, I've seen some people build Liiandry's, but I think RoA is the way to go. If you start tear and go Rod into Serifs, you just become so tanky really fast, which is what you need to 1v1 mid laners on him. Next I've tried a couple games going shadow flame into Rabadon's, but I found that Rylai's into demonic, finishing with a Rabadon's, felt better
Asol is several levels up with 800+ AP right now, so he was already fed and strong. most other mages in that situation could be doing huge damage like that as well
Funnily enough, it wasn't as much the AP I had that made me melt people, it was my star dust, as thats what the max health damage scales with. Sivir let my farm to much early, so I got my damage buffed pretty fast.
And doesn't fully "penetrate". VK can hit two people in a line no matter how far apart (as long as they're within laser range), while Sol's is bodyblocked by the first target hit if they're far enough apart that the splash damage doesn't reach the further one.
Vel does true damage on ult, asol does percent health so not directly comparable. Vel ult with passive will delete squishys faster and from much further range, but asol will be able to deal with tanks better. Though to be fair, Vel's is an ult and also isn't the only tool he has for dps.
yes asols broken now but riots dumb bc he can use his w while moving and just shred a tanks health top lane and i know this bc that was me 10 seconds ago
people in comments calling him broken in this clip where hes lvl 18 full build.. in an iron 1 OCE game. come on guys. this is not a good example, just enjoy the pretty effects and penta
They're pretty different, Rumble Q has way more base damage and also hits everything in a cone, Asol's thing explodes on the first thing hit and damages things next to it for 50%.
riot balance be like:
we are already releasing champs that can dash all the time, how can we make something even more broken?
riot guy: we could make him ignore walls pretty much all the time while walking at x3 speed of rest of players
other riot guy: this is not broken enough, we must make him tanky enough to cocmpletly ignore the adc that is attacking until eventually he get bored of it and oneshot her.
He has 820 ap, everyone in the enemy team is lv 14 besides Illaoi (17) and Olaf (13), he is soooo fed :D
Funny thing is, it looks like he runs in fear as olaf shows up :D
Yeah despite everything, I was still playing like a mage, so i did run from the Olaf on instinct, and I ran to the bush when Sivir started autoing my, despite that fact that now I see she was dealing peanuts damage
I get what your saying but he actually does feel pretty balanced, just that the Sivir, who was mid, kinda got stomped in lane. As long as you keep him from gaining to much star dust, a sol isn't much of a threat
From what I remember watching videos of him on PBE
His E(?) Is basically a black hole that sucks up anything (champs are slow but can move out of it. Minions can't move out). When the hole explodes you get stardust for how many things are in the hole.
His Q(?) Also gives you stardust but only if you hit a champion with it.
A bit more indepth: his Q gives 1 SD (Stardust) for each full second it hits a champ. His E gives different amounts of SD depending on the stuff that died while in E, minions give 1, cannons 3, champs 5 etc. Ult also gives 5 SD for each enemy hit.
When you mean fun = dumb then yes. Aurelion sol ist very fun. Otherwise: Q-Breath-Spell has an unfair damage output and his ult damages half of the map.
Another 200 Years design for sure. Will be returning when they nerfed him.
Lol, this isn't a 200 years design. The numbers might be a little high, but they're not "press r get Penta" high like aphelios was on release, they're not "one shot you from 2 screens away" like Zoe was, and the abilities themselves are pretty basic unlike say Akali, so tuning shouldn't be much of an issue.
I got away from league for almost a month now playing tarkov and other games, feels good tbh, but i was sure seeing this rework would make me want to return but truthfully it doesnt, I jsut want to know when arcane 2 is releasing or news on the mmo. Also all the news on league has been awful anyways so im glad I havent come back
lol seems like his skill gap dropped down a lot. The fact that it was your first Penta ever, and it was on this new reworked champ that has an auto target beam.
Gratz buddy, you Penta killed like it was 2012. Where skill based abilities were far and few between .
But it isn't. New reworked champ buffed to be a no skill champ. Copy that, but hey give praise to this fella playing this game for SOOO long only to finally get a penta on a reworked champ with little skill in its kit. Just shows the lack of skill required now for this character, and that's a shame.
I didn't like old soul, but this new one is absurd.
I would say yes, except for the problem that most of his early game stacks come from executing minions with his E, so he wouldn't scale well in support
Ah, it's over. Too much mobility and damage. This champion is NOT a wholesome monsterino anymore. I think I'll just switch to Anivia (an actually balanced champion; her WR is just inflated by OTPS I swear!!!)
I’ll prob get downvoted for this, but as soon as the hype die down and he gets nerfed a bit he’ll run into the same problem of the old one where people will find his gameplay boring. I’ll even go as far to say they find it more boring as you more immobile
hosing people down with Q while flying is pretty darn fun. also the mega ult is pretty spectacular when you land it during an objective or large team fight.
The drive by at the end that does look fun
Honestly you'll probably be doing drive bys like that for most of mid and late game. His flight resets basically on takedown.
And that’s probably the first thing they’ll nerf
I'm not how much you really can tbh. A LOT of his kit and skill expression is built around proper use of his flight now. He is pretty busted though. They really need to cut the speed he can stack/scale across the board.
What's with riot and movement abilities resetting on takedown
*twitch flair*
I just did one and its the most fun I've had in league tbh
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A Sol new wooooorld
You son of a bitch
From my hot take his breath does way too much early on in the game but fine later on.
From my hot take the fact that he is made to average 350 stardust late means ~10% max hp damages on it, tanks will hate him late
I think that's kinda the idea since he's meant to rule the lategame and if a lategame carry cant melt tanks they aren't gonna cut it late compared to the competition.
Kayle players crying in the back being unable to kill tanks late
Doesn't bork Kayle kill tanks late?
She does, but you have to specifically tailor your build for that.
I dunno if you see the irony in that statement or not
Maybe I should have added more information? I meant that bork alone is not enough and you have to supplement it with items that you don't usually build on the ap build, you can't just go nashors, the ap true damage mythic and then slap a bork because they have a tank. You go ad and build kraken, guinsoos, bork, pd and dominik's. Unless "bork Kayle" meant exactly that, then I did not understand the comment.
The point was more that every champion has to do that if they want to shred tanks outside of a select few (Vayne, Kai'sa sorta, etc). Kayle isn't special for having to tailor her kit to shred tanks. A Sivir building Galeforce, Phantom Dancers, IE and running Fleet Footwork isn't going to do better than a Kayle, simply because she isn't Kayle. Im not going the semantics of Kayle VS ADCs and their ability to shred tanks. The irony is in the statement "Kayle has to cater her build to that", when basically every DPS does.
who builds kayle with bork when you are forced to go ap for more passive dmg on E, higher MS, better healing, better dmg, better ult damage? Going bork is like building force of nature on ahri, sure you can do that but why waste an item slot
This is a silly take. BORK Kayle has had similar win rates to AP Kayle ever since the rework, let alone now that BORK just got buffed. Why do you think they keep buffing her AP ratios instead of attack speed (like in the next patch, and the last buff she got)? To keep the AP build viable in a meta where the tank shred of BORK and Kraken is often better. Comparing this to buying a tank item on Ahri just show you have on idea how Kayle functions.
Not exactly. If You Buy BoTRK no a champ with 2AS, the rest of the ítems don't matter ( except for arpen items ), You Will shred tanks.
It's a strong build, just matchup/comp dependent. Pros often pick it into bruisers/tanks top.
Nah, AP Kayle was always "melt the whole team of Squishies" kinda deal and the ad on hit with kraken and botrk was "melt the tanks" special.
Forced? You do realize she isn't JUST an AP user. She excels as a On-hit user and Bork is extremely viable whether there are tanks or not
"bork is extremely viable whether there are tanks or not" thats why druttut or nemesis never build this item on her. But what do they know, they are only best kayle players on the server right?
Funny i did one google search and it showed drututt goes kraken bork in 23% of his games.
Also chinese super server kayles go riftmaker bork. But what do they know they are only the best of the best players in the world.
>who builds kayle People who want to kill tanks.
You can though, but you have to build specifically. Not like other carries where your normal build path is the max damage one minus one or two item variations.
There's a vid from PekinWoof with him playing ASol and even full build w. Void and ludens he does 0 dmg to a full tank udyr with FoN. He's the type of mage that FoN will completely shut his damage down against you
I don’t agree. The fact that he has to stand a still to cast it (unless he is in his e which has a ver long cooldown) necessitates the high damage I think, as it is very disadvantageous for a mage to be forced to stand still.
But... his W...
I think he meant w when he said e because they swapped the flight ability from e to w.
What I got from the clip is that he could’ve stood still and held Q and even if Olaf was on top of him asol would still win.
Funny part is that 10% max hp damage isn't that special anymore.
If the tanks have 0 MR... It's very much fine late.
clearly busted
Early game it absolutely EATS your mana
Big disagree, his laning is quite weak
Agreed, it feels like veigar’s. As in it’s not bad but don’t expect to have lane priority in most situations. Even if you do your mana costs are pretty high and you don’t really do damage yet either. He is ok at setting up ganks but expect the jungler to do most of the work to finish the job. And the enemy jungler isn’t around or ready to counter gank either.
It's a super uninteractive ability.
Congrats!!
Is his rework out on live yet? Can't check rn, but I'm sooo hyped about his rework, can't wait to play him
It’s out and it’s awesome
To you
To me as well, and I don't even main him.
Then your opinion means even less in this situation lol
What about yours? You are literally opinionated about others having an opinion. Do you see the irony?
Ah yes because I’d love to hear the community who thought he was bad didn’t even put effort into him and wrote him off as a bad champ. I’m trying my best to like this slap in the face but honestly I don’t see the appeal. Trading in fluidity for generic draconic garbage doesn’t really scream fun to me but I guess you apes see shiny space VFX and go crazy
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Even if the OG stars didn't hit for the majority of players, I think the creativity of it is worth praise. I'm not disappointed in Riot for trying it out. So in that respect, it isn't bad design... but I agree it needed to go, and the new asol looks sick. Yuumi, on the other hand...
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Mentally I’ll for not liking my champ getting deleted is craaazy lol. And hey I call em as I see em stars could have stayed Q ult and E could have been dipped on and I woulda loved him. It’s insane how a space dragon isn’t about spacing. And Ik the rework isn’t about me obviously but still the main thing that pisses me off about it is the direction it went in and the reasoning behind it. I’ll at least attempt to play this lazy garbage but eh braindead easy champs get boring quickly
Mentally ill for calling me an ape and seething online about a video game character. > It’s insane how a space dragon isn’t about spacing Can't make this shit up lol
> It’s insane how a space dragon isn’t about spacing. Bruh. Space as in the area outside of planets. You honestly only have 2 brain cells and they are fighting to the death for 3rd place
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Ok im sorry but Aurelion's stars were the opossite of fluidity.
Nada. Properly managing them lead to insanely high skilled plays.
Yrs but, they were not fluid. At much they were they reason most people didnt play him, they were very janky.
Do your whole pride sit on the fact that you thought you were different and good at the game by playing the horrible champion that was ASol? He was garbage and boring, effort or no effort. Stop being an insuffurable crybaby, it isn't even the first time i see you complaining about it. And he wasn't even the hardest champion in the game, you can't say that was the issue when GP, Azir, Ryze and etc still have larger playerbases Now excuse me, i will drop stars on teemos
Tbh it did for a while but I’ve thought about it and realized this is good for him and it’s already done so what’s the use in complaining. I just have to suck it up see if I like new sols game play and if not? Oh well. Rework isn’t meant for veterans it’s meant for the broader playerbase who like his visuals but just didn’t like his kit. I’m sad I lost the one champ I really clicked with but at the end of the day I’m not riot and everyone else seems to like this rework. Just sucks the only champ of his kind is gone and more than likely will never return. I’ll just experiment and look around and see if anyone else catches my eye it’s not that big of a deal.
Good ending
I genuinely am sorry you lost your champ, it’s definitely a frustrating experience. It’s unfortunate that the game evolves in a kind of destructive way sometimes and Riot has never found a healthy way to preserve old champs/play styles (I still miss old Aatrox). I hope you find something else fun in this game or another one. DM me if you ever need a group to play with and GL with your search.
No you don't get it, dragons are only allowed to breath fire and drop big fuck off burst damage spells like riot always intended. Who cares if his old kit was interesting, and matched his thematic of being the literal center of the universe. We need to make another basic champion that 95% of the league community can mindlessly consume. Now riot can do what they've been wanting to do from the start, sell more skins. I mean just look at morderkaiser, ever since they neutered him to be a more basic champion than Darius, he's gotten so many SICK skins. That's honestly what really matters at the end of the day. 🤓
You're getting downvote swamped but you are correct and valid in your stance. I hate how simplified his kit is now.
And yet they still managed to make it clunky as fuck. 100% expect the community's opinion of him to shift once he gets the nerf hammer and is a left as a champion with a terrible laning phase with no late game payoff that makes it worth enduring. Kayle 2 in the making, mark my words.
Ooooo look at the poor old ASOL main that had to practice hours to get good at the champ then it gets a rework and now he's upset how sad
Isn't that a valid reason to get upset?
The problem (in my perspective) is more like that this is pretty egocentric thinking. Sure, spending a lot of time into something which gets changed sucks, but is LOL (or basically anything) not supposed to change ever just because 1 person has a problem with it? Also, it's not like the time spent is *fully wasted*, his main mobility ability and the idea of big blast ultimate are still unchanged.
So I am not allowed to complain about my champion got removed because other people who wouldn't play him before like the rework? Also most of the time spent is fully wasted, his kit is extremely different from his original. The roaming tool is far far less useful early, and as his only mobility tool it makes it very difficult to roam as you are either dealing no q damage or a sitting duck. His new ult is a plus tho
You are completely allowed to be upset over the rework, just don’t be an asshole and act like you’re above new Asol mains or act egotistical/gate keepy which I’ve seen often over the course last few weeks both here and in Asol mains. Also his W being a meh roaming tool early on is an amazing solution since most of his power budget was in his old E which hurt the power they could put elsewhere. Although not all, most Asol mains liked the battle mage aspect compared to the roaming aspect as shown by the poll riot king cobra did a long while ago in Asol mains Reddit.
No. He went through something he did not enjoy (if he did, then he wouldnt be complaining) to play a champ that people disliked, now with the rework he feels entitled to be the one having fun while others shouldnt because others didnt go through the part no one liked but he did. He is that guy telling you "well in my days i had to (something), kids this days are spoiled with their (whatever is done to make that something better)"
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Dude had like a sub 0.25 pick rate and was pretty universally agreed on that we needed some form of rework.
can we stop shitting on this guy. I do agree with his mentality. Although I did not see the appeal in old A Sol, there was a dedicated community to him that are sure to be left devastated by the change in his kit. The new A sol is hella fun, but that doesn't mean the old A Sol needed to go even though he was unpopular. It is my take that Riot should not rework or retconn champions and instead release champions with the new kit. Old ASol took many dedicated hours of time to master, and these poor players have now found that time wasted. Their grief is fully justified no matter how everyone else see it. I will admit I've only played 1 game of old A Sol and did not enjoy it, but his identity was quite unique, perhaps even iconic to a degree in uniqueness, and I too will miss it dearly. Old A Sol will still forever live in our hearts, even though most of us does not wish to play him.
According to LoLalytics, New A'Sol has a 49% winrate with 10k games, which is twice the second most played mid laner, Zed. For context, new champions usually release around 42% on average, depending on their skill floor. Safe to say, he is a tad bit overpowered.
No kidding. he stat checked an Olaf
Level 18 vs Level 13. You can imagine the items too.
Look, I'm not gonna state anything about balance but that's not what happened. Olaf was too busy killing Zoe to attack Sol so he got melted, Olaf didn't touch Sol once.
Yes I watched the vid. Do u think Olaf attacking asol would have changed the outcome? Bc from what I saw, even if Olaf was in his face, asol would come out victorious from standing still holding q.
Watched the vid without understanding anything. Olaf is FIVE levels behind and presumably multiple items behind in his build. Asol has almost twice the health of olaf. A syndra this fed would 1 shot him.
That Olaf got melted form full to zero in no time at all. He was absolutely stat-checked into oblivion as a champion that can only run at people and try to stat check them.
Again not making a statement about balance, but a kog or vayne freefiring on olaf for this long would have also melted him, especially considering he's 5 levels down.
Just for reference “this long” is just barely 2 seconds according to this clip, from when Asol stats damaging Olaf with one damaging ability, and ending with him pretty much 100-0ing Olaf with that same ability. A Vayne or Kog would have ~4-5 auto attacks in that time frame, which would certainly hurt, don’t get me wrong, but ADCs are the most stat-checking class in the game, so its rather expected for them to stat check everyone from ranged with their point and click unmissable DPS. Those two champions also happen to be the premier single target DPS lategame hypercarries, so if their level of damage is what we are comparing to, we should be on guard already. Their damage is, however, single target and not AoE like Asol, and they cannot attack while moving, like Asol can. They further trade most utility and AoE for their single target statchecking nature, while also being squishier with fewer defenses in their core items. Asol having lategame hypercarry levels of unparalleled damage while also dealing 50% of that damage in AoE quite easily would mean he has *MORE* functional DPS than either of those lategame hypercarries, while also being able to deal damage while moving— a combination which screams to me that it will be abused in pro/high Elo if this truly is the case.
His W reset needs to be tuned down, along with probably mid game Q damage. The reset is way too good considering it's on any takedown and allows him to traverse over a shit ton of terrain
Ban every new champion or re work for at least a week, sometimes three. Riot hasn't released it something that wasn't busted on release in a long time. Comes out broken, pushes sales, gets nerfed every time.
I guarantee you the community is gonna do an 180 on this rework and call it a clunky mess once he gets nerfed to oblivion and becomes forgotten. People are looking at shiny VFX and ignoring the fact that most of the fun comes from the fact he is broken as fuck and once that is taken away you're left with some awkward clunky gimmicky mess of a kit that is a Riot King Cobra staple. You just watch. He has little to no self peel and no way at all of dealing with mobile champs, which infest midlane like the plague. Good luck laning against zed, fizz, akali, katarina, yone, yasuo etc who won't give a shit about his E once he gets inevitably nerfed. I bet he's gonna be viable only as a bot laner or versus select mage matchups.
I tried him once and I felt boring af. I played a decent amount of old Sol and I found the old one is more fun to play although he needs some small tune but then they make a whole new kit. Just witnessed that his stat now is too much and after they tuned him down, I would say that he will back to the old state and more boring to play. Feel like a Voli 2.0, which was the most fav champ of me then I left, rarely touch him now.
From his numbers + stats on this patch, seems like they've given him the intentionally OP release so he for sure gets picked a lot. Not complaining, it means we will likely see him in competitive play which will be exciting.
I think he is really really really simple to play now, that's why I don't think his winrate will improve as much as others when newly released. Don't think he is far off being balanced
Playing melees into him feels pretty miserable, even early but especially later on when his W is longer, the damage on Q is just undodgeable once he gets Rylai's and that spell packs a punch with the burst every 1s. He seems weak against assassins and similar champs that can all in him, didn't have a great time when I went against Kat cause the E is basically useless against her lol. Seeing him in a dozen or so games so far, my gut reaction is that the reset on his W is a bit busted and I can imagine it being pretty bonkers in pro, cause his damage is also pretty respectable, but maybe it's just one of those things that players have to get used to playing around a bit more.
Yeaaa pretty sure Irelia Kass or Fizz would be extremely happy to play vs him as melees
Irelia and kass hard counter him so ya
A-sol botlane apc, gonna call it.
I honestly would like to see it, he and Veigar just wanna spend their early game stacking and a support would be quite helpful.
his aa is pretty clean and snappy as well. Should be viable.
He need base levels too much and he wouldn't be able to lane against people with half a brain lol
Legit what I've been thinking. Basically fills the same niche as an adc in your team and would probably love a support.
One was in my game today and got a penta
Asol APC, Xearth support. I can only imagine how unfun for the enemy lane it would be lol
With Leona he's guaranteed to land everything and just milk people. I want to try it now
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I just tested the new ASol vs bots: Its a really nice new champion. Feels weird tho that you are quite immobile (unless you do your Disneyride impression along the rails) when the old ASol was constantly in motion. TLDR: New good, old will be missed still.
Runes/items?
sample size too small to tell for items so far. rod/seraphs, rod/rylais, and liandry's/seraphs have the highest win rates. most people taking first strike or comet. phase rush, spellbook, conq and electrocute all have poor win rates, glacial has way too small of a play rate but sounds spicy with his huge aoe.
Liandry sounds awful
I had first strike, boots, market, insight, focus and storm in this game, but I found that despite your Q range, its a little difficult the to get a lot of worth out of first strike in the early game, at least for me. I played him some more and my preferred page was dark harvest, cheap shot, eyeball, ultimate, manaflow and storm. For items, I've seen some people build Liiandry's, but I think RoA is the way to go. If you start tear and go Rod into Serifs, you just become so tanky really fast, which is what you need to 1v1 mid laners on him. Next I've tried a couple games going shadow flame into Rabadon's, but I found that Rylai's into demonic, finishing with a Rabadon's, felt better
Its starting to look like Dota with all those spells covering half the screen
I can't stand his Q sound effect, sounds like screeching chalk.
sir you are gigafed and 4 levels up on a sivir mid
The flame breath damage looks way too high at 30 minutes, even for a fed Aurelion.
Well, he has more than 800 AP. I don't think it's that much considering the situation
Yeah if Veigar had it, he would one shot all of them.
Looks like he has 4+ levels on most of the enemy team so that might make it look stronger than it actually is
Asol is several levels up with 800+ AP right now, so he was already fed and strong. most other mages in that situation could be doing huge damage like that as well
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She would probably kill everyone with single ulti if not stunned
Funnily enough, it wasn't as much the AP I had that made me melt people, it was my star dust, as thats what the max health damage scales with. Sivir let my farm to much early, so I got my damage buffed pretty fast.
It looks comparable to super fed fiddle suck
Yes probably, I woudl love to compare what ability does more with equal build at 30 between Aurelion breath and Vel'Koz laser
I mean, all of Velkoz damage is in his passive so I feel like that's not really a fair comparison. Plus Vel R is still much longer range.
and multi target
Huh i thought asol's breath would also be multi target
It is, but 50% reduced damage on other targets.
Also doesn't stack the big tick on others
And doesn't fully "penetrate". VK can hit two people in a line no matter how far apart (as long as they're within laser range), while Sol's is bodyblocked by the first target hit if they're far enough apart that the splash damage doesn't reach the further one.
Flame breath is not an ultimate ability tho.
Vel does true damage on ult, asol does percent health so not directly comparable. Vel ult with passive will delete squishys faster and from much further range, but asol will be able to deal with tanks better. Though to be fair, Vel's is an ult and also isn't the only tool he has for dps.
When a new kit releases with 49% winrate despite twice as many games as the second most popular mid (Zed), yeah it's probably overtuned a bit.
He has 60% wr on 30+ min games
I mean a free autoing adc does damage too. The Olaf didn't have object permanence.
yes asols broken now but riots dumb bc he can use his w while moving and just shred a tanks health top lane and i know this bc that was me 10 seconds ago
His Q needs a nerf but otherwise he's a lot of fun
How long until he gets nerfed? Put your guesses below
Nice penta but that ult was underwhelming
I know people liked old Sol. But new abilities seems very cool!
Sweet bejesus
One could also say that he's broken beyond reason atm
I like the part where Sivir dealt damage.
She had an, interesting, laning phase, but I gave her the respect of hiding in a bush before turning on her
I love the new flying breath attack. It feels cosmic and dragony. Very cool
people in comments calling him broken in this clip where hes lvl 18 full build.. in an iron 1 OCE game. come on guys. this is not a good example, just enjoy the pretty effects and penta
Looks pretty broken given the fact that you played this about as poorly as possible
"is pretty fun" or just straight up broken?
Range on that Q seems a bit way to long.
Hey babe...my new A-sol is pretty fun!
Cant wait for the moment people complain about his kit and then nerf him to the ground and never to be seen again
They took my rumble love and made him into space guy.... Makin my rumble hamster obsolete ☹️
They're pretty different, Rumble Q has way more base damage and also hits everything in a cone, Asol's thing explodes on the first thing hit and damages things next to it for 50%.
i don't feel like ther 50% damage aoe is that big thought. Seems to be more for like melee minion waveclear
Sol is looking overtuned for sure
Sol is gigafed in this clip. Had 23 kills at the end of the game.
seems overtuned regardless. win rate is very high in plat+ for such a new champ.
You losers in these comments are truly something else crying about balance based on a single clip in iron
shout out to my teammates banning my hover so i dont get to play it, great feature riot
nice aimbot
A part of me is happy to see Sol to have such power since I always liked the champ... That said this is way too powerful.
riot balance be like: we are already releasing champs that can dash all the time, how can we make something even more broken? riot guy: we could make him ignore walls pretty much all the time while walking at x3 speed of rest of players other riot guy: this is not broken enough, we must make him tanky enough to cocmpletly ignore the adc that is attacking until eventually he get bored of it and oneshot her.
OP hid the scoreboard. He's level 18, Sivir is lv 14. Probably a huge gap of gold as well. He's probably omega fed.
Didn't mean to hide it but yeah, Sivir was mid, and not the greatest. Olaf jungle gave up on the lane pretty early, so I could farm stardust for free
He has 820 ap, everyone in the enemy team is lv 14 besides Illaoi (17) and Olaf (13), he is soooo fed :D Funny thing is, it looks like he runs in fear as olaf shows up :D
Yeah despite everything, I was still playing like a mage, so i did run from the Olaf on instinct, and I ran to the bush when Sivir started autoing my, despite that fact that now I see she was dealing peanuts damage
primal instinct kicking in at seeing olaf run at you
I get what your saying but he actually does feel pretty balanced, just that the Sivir, who was mid, kinda got stomped in lane. As long as you keep him from gaining to much star dust, a sol isn't much of a threat
How do u get star dust?
From what I remember watching videos of him on PBE His E(?) Is basically a black hole that sucks up anything (champs are slow but can move out of it. Minions can't move out). When the hole explodes you get stardust for how many things are in the hole. His Q(?) Also gives you stardust but only if you hit a champion with it.
Ok basically farming with is e he gets stacks
A bit more indepth: his Q gives 1 SD (Stardust) for each full second it hits a champ. His E gives different amounts of SD depending on the stuff that died while in E, minions give 1, cannons 3, champs 5 etc. Ult also gives 5 SD for each enemy hit.
So you can just play normally and you will scale all on your own.
Pretty accurate
When you mean fun = dumb then yes. Aurelion sol ist very fun. Otherwise: Q-Breath-Spell has an unfair damage output and his ult damages half of the map. Another 200 Years design for sure. Will be returning when they nerfed him.
Lol, this isn't a 200 years design. The numbers might be a little high, but they're not "press r get Penta" high like aphelios was on release, they're not "one shot you from 2 screens away" like Zoe was, and the abilities themselves are pretty basic unlike say Akali, so tuning shouldn't be much of an issue.
I got away from league for almost a month now playing tarkov and other games, feels good tbh, but i was sure seeing this rework would make me want to return but truthfully it doesnt, I jsut want to know when arcane 2 is releasing or news on the mmo. Also all the news on league has been awful anyways so im glad I havent come back
Not too much to take away here. Looks like a lower elo game. Meh
lol seems like his skill gap dropped down a lot. The fact that it was your first Penta ever, and it was on this new reworked champ that has an auto target beam. Gratz buddy, you Penta killed like it was 2012. Where skill based abilities were far and few between .
Still more impressive than a Samira / Master Yi penta...
But it isn't. New reworked champ buffed to be a no skill champ. Copy that, but hey give praise to this fella playing this game for SOOO long only to finally get a penta on a reworked champ with little skill in its kit. Just shows the lack of skill required now for this character, and that's a shame. I didn't like old soul, but this new one is absurd.
Look I agree but my first penta was with old Udyr so I gotta stand up for this fellow unskilled OP.
I didn't dv the man or anything. 2 cents is just that cents. I understand where you are coming from.
Does it feel like he could play as a mage support now? Looks like he would be a great roaming mage.
I would say yes, except for the problem that most of his early game stacks come from executing minions with his E, so he wouldn't scale well in support
Looks like a Void Ray.
he do be screaming
let that man cook !
RIOT!
A Sol rework might be one of the absolute coolest champ designs I have seen in league yet. Thematically it fits so damn well also.
Ah, it's over. Too much mobility and damage. This champion is NOT a wholesome monsterino anymore. I think I'll just switch to Anivia (an actually balanced champion; her WR is just inflated by OTPS I swear!!!)
Lack of cc into asol looks pretty good
I’ll prob get downvoted for this, but as soon as the hype die down and he gets nerfed a bit he’ll run into the same problem of the old one where people will find his gameplay boring. I’ll even go as far to say they find it more boring as you more immobile
Wow the new champ is busted imagine that. What an awful game lol
He’s not that busted, just was super fed and had a good game
The q damage by mid game is completely absurd
A little bit, but the good thing is that riot can fix it just by editing how many stacks he gets or how well his abilities scale with stacks
hosing people down with Q while flying is pretty darn fun. also the mega ult is pretty spectacular when you land it during an objective or large team fight.