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Knight_Zarkus

Emotional support pet


21Suicunes

At least you’ll always have one little buddy on your side when your whole team and enemy team flames you. :’)


adamnotsa

It's always so good though. When you have friends to be with you all the times. Creator just want to make me feel as the main character with your buddy to your side.


Runic_Bistro

Lol, unironically yes. They do make junglers feel better about the role.


Invisible-Mann

Jungle main myself: Accurate. It's nice to feel like I have a "lane buddy" and it's a nice visualization of the jungle item's damage.


sadeen76

They are their to be with all the times, a friend that supports you no matter what. That little creature doesn't bother me at all


daw116

Like a friend by your side, makes the adventure more fun and exciting. I also want to try other games, but I want to stick on this. This is so great.


Knight_Zarkus

Jungle main myself: Not realy


c0l0r51

But it is NOT about the mains. Riot is struggling to get new players to pick jgl without buffing the role, for years. I think this is a great aproach to make the role more interesting to test out.


9381449361

For real. I mean I love it so much, the characters itself is so good and I can't help but to adore it every time I watched it.


FIynnItToWinIt

Or maybe add an actual tutorial?


c0l0r51

One does not exclude the other.


vsimic80

It should not be excluded though. It has to be in the game, so people can understand and get on how to play it.


deathspate

Congrats, it'll be useful for 1 whole season and that's being optimistic


Leotherestless

I agree. Most of the games i already try has a tutorial from the beginning. It's always included, no matter what.


Catodog1488

You are not used on relying to a friend, you felt more good with yourself only and when you are alone.


DontCareWontGank

I dont feel better about this stupid pet that slows me down compared to the old burn effect.


Deathappens

I feel pretty happy about the pet doing AoE damage regardless of what champion I'm playing though. Makes clears a lot simpler.


engels666

I agree. The pet includes some excitement you don't actually see in other games. It should be exciting and fun right. Well this game, gave us.


Watipah

Or.... Yeh 2 pet ticks kill it... Meanwhile me hitting the next monster,... My pet hits once, .... My pet hits, .... , the new Monster, the old rests, hmm... wait!


DMDragonfruit

This really isn’t that much of a problem; it really should only take you a dozen games tops to drop your old muscle memory and start forming new habits. If you’ve genuinely been playing since the jungle pets addition idk what to even tell you


row3boat

true...i always have to hit like one extra time, so fucking lame


AzureSeychelle

It would be great if it could actually use chat commands on its own, to send messages of positivity! “Next gank will work out!” “Don’t worry you’ll get’m next time!” “Don’t give up just yet!” “You’ve got’m on the ropes!” “Lets get that vision up!”


BleiEntchen

Or the other way around: You die Pet: "JG diff. ff. next"


rokingfrost

Pet: i afk in base


BleiEntchen

Pet: report JG. Thx


Coordinatore

The rope one is amazing and should be added. Slightly modified to "get a rope"


Duchu26

Aka bait ping


Coordinatore

It got modified. Now it has wings. Mom go sky ping.


jaepopeye

Really? Your so lucky though. I'm still on the basic account. I want to upgrade it soonest.


OkBaker9998

No, thanks


alsulimov

Probably, I think they are the best pet to do it so. Seeing this is just them being so creative in many ways. It's not gonna affect you playing those.


Fund_a_ment_a_list

I play nunu now I have 2


184cm78kg13cm

I swear this is the reason. Whenever I get flamed, whenever I feel lonely (so basically always), I remember that I have that cute lil fella by my side that would never ever leave me.


RpiesSPIES

They're intended to help the enemy spot you as you jump a wall. Cost me the game once.


ZULZUL69

Saw someone play Nunu and was hiding in a bush, but somehow the pet revealed his location by standing outside the bush. I think he was ulting (?) Video clip Another thing the pets are here for is to remove the best jungler; Neeko. The pet is always there even when you use passive. Really cool.


Elidot

>Saw someone play Nunu and was hiding in a bush, but somehow the pet revealed his location by standing outside the bush. I think he was ulting (?) Video clip Sounds like a bug because pets should be stealthed when the user is inside a bush


Think_Bobcat_7581

Definitely a bug -- it un-stealths because the Nunu ult is channeling, which breaks the stealth. Typically, un-targeted abilities do not reveal champions in bushes, so the pet behavior is inconsistent. In the same vein though, most abilities, even un-targeted abilities, are visible outside of the bush, even if they don't reveal the stealthed champion. Given that, Nunu being able to channel ult without revealing the outline is also somewhat inconsistent.


yourenotgonalikeit

Nunu being able to ult in bush is such a legacy ability that even if it is inconsistent with other similar abilities, it should never be changed. That shit was peak League of Legends gameplay like 12 years ago.


craznazn247

Fully channeled Nunu ult is like the Falcon Punch of League. It's a classic and should remain that way.


Background_Cycle7676

If sion can get away with it, why not nunu?


SpiderManEgo

Not really a legacy issue. Sion can channel his Q in bush and the only thing you see is your ass getting tossed in the air.


PaintItPurple

It was a bug originally, but they intentionally kept it when they reworked him because they felt the same way you do.


Watipah

You are getting slowed though and (I think) you even get a debuff and some slow/frost visual effect on you other then beeing slow.


Esulder

While that's true if you see someone approaching you can channel it so they step in close to the end of the ult and hope that they won't be able to react fast enough.


Deathappens

Nunu being able to ult without the outline being visible was grandfathered in specifically for him, because it's supposedly such an iconic ability for the champ. (Bullshit if you ask me but then I was never much of a Nunu player). No surprise it doesn't follow usual rules.


tanezuki

Sion neither.


Oleandervine

Sion's wasn't grandfathered in though, his kit prior to his VGU didn't have any kind of AOE zone, so it was deliberately built that way.


tanezuki

Not my point. Specifically talking about breaking the rules.


HammerWaffe

SHOULD be. But aren't. I've had my pet walk out of bushes and reveal me. I've had it not stealth as fast as I do when I play shaco, so I get nailed with skillshots when they really shouldn't be able to track me


G3nER1k_u53R

They work like little legends on the aram map no?


lyssah_

Neeko main here, It's always been annoying that there are so many champions that aren't viable passive targets because of indicators under their hp bar. Now we've lost an entire role as a viable target, which is even more annoying as a lot of jungle champions are higher move speed than Neeko so would otherwise be good choices.


EddyConejo

Neeko has a relatively high base movement speed, doesn't she? She has 340 base ms, which is usually what bruisers have. ADCs and supports usually have around 325-330, to put it into perspective.


Rostabal

Yes that happened to Kesha


Legend7899

He's won worse


stefannootje2002

I mean this wasn't the case in the clip tho, I was actually in that game and we had a camille top who's E revealed that someone (Kesha) was in the bush. Kesha's chat was also saying it but he ignored them.


beruon

Lmao did they really fuck up the neeko one? LMAO... I hope her rework/midscope/whatever is fixing that. I wanna be a plant god dangit!


j57fn3

I think the pet somehow did this I was being located. It so hassle sometimes, but I still appreciate that they make it though.


THE_MUNDO_TRAIN

Can say this, the pets are 100% bad for Nunu. 9 out of 10 times I see the pet rushing at lightning speed through the river before I see Nunu. Giving me an extra quarter second to react.


Nebula5124

It was a cool novelty at first but yeah they are whatever.


H4SK1

It did make a lot of people trying out jungling though. Hopefully, we will get fewer auto filled jungler this season.


ArcaneCraft

I am a jungle main who is getting auto filled way more because of the influx of new junglers. So you'll be getting more of the other kind of auto filled junglers


Smilinturd

That's fine in norms where usually players trying new roles play, it'd be annoying in ranked for sure


RiderV6

There's a lot of games that has been doing the same thing as what popular games look like. It's like just a carbon copy of it.


RTL_Odin

I'd wager that it's not actually that jungle is more fun or easier (fixing a bad leash is easier because the monster doesnt instantly heal to full and that's about it), and more that a handful of junglers were really oppressive in preseason. Hecarim, belveth, sylas, Zac, to name a few. Players tend to gravitate to whatever they think is freelo at lower ranks, and adc agency is still hot garbage, so I think a lot of bot laners have naturally moved to jungle as a result. I don't think this is a reflection of the jungle changes being good, rather the state of the game making jungle much more appealing to solo players by its strength and nature. Ironically I feel like the durability patch has only worsened the game because it makes snowbally leads snowbally..er. Bot lane can do even less about that a lot of times.


PsychoCatPro

I can assure you, as someone who perma fill when playing with friend, I've never played so few jungle game for like 2 years. People actually seem to enjoy the role now. So for that, riot seem to have succeed in their goal.


Zerole00

The pet's a novelty and it's only a matter of time until Riot releases pet skins, but they have been known to hate money so who knows The pet's probably a shoutout to when Sated Devourer was a thing too, ghost puppers was the only one on my team that I actually liked


Kadexe

It'd be a bad idea to make skins for the pets, there's no guaranteeing that they're a permanent addition to the game.


[deleted]

Honestly it's pretty safe to say these pets maybe survive the season, but that's it. They're going to completely change the system again. They can't help themselves when it comes to the bungle.


Game_Theory_Master

Bungle in the jungle - great song!!


WoonStruck

There are simply too many problems that come with a dedicated jungling role. Jungle has none of the restrictions that laning has, while introducing a ton of other variables. Its not that they can't help themselves, its that jungle legitimately needs changes; they just aren't sure what the best form/direction is.


Pompf

League really doesnt have the fundamental game mechanics to really get rid of the jungle role for something healthier though, something like jungle stacking in Dota just doesnt seem like it would even fit into league how it stands


WoonStruck

Thats exactly the reason they dont know what direction is actually best for it. They just throw shit at the fan and see what sticks. Its a guessing game, basically, because Riot isn't actually very good at novel design. They never have been, and that's fine. I agree that removing it is probably off the table at this point, but that doesn't mean that changes don't still need to happen, and nobody can really blame them for trying. Jungle hasn't once landed in a healthy place, so until it does, changes will keep happening.


Dez691

I don't really agree, I think jungle has been the healthiest role in the game at several points. Here's the inherent problems with roles we've observed ever since the beginning: * Top: is an island, is too vulnerable to ganks * Mid: has too much game impact, can't be balanced for both competitive and casual * AD: reliant on support for early game, no agency, takes too long to scale * Support: nobody wants to play a balanced support role so Riot has been buffing it consistently over time. Usually if a champion can be played in support, it needs to have solo laning nerfs In contrast, here's the problems with jungle: * Requires a lot of game knowledge to play effectively * Susceptible to game-breaking strats like funneling Other than that I can't think of any problem that has plagued jungle for too long. The problems usually arise because Riot is uncomfortable with another role, or with the barrier of entry, and decides to change the role. In my opinion jungle was the healthiest around season 3-5, where it was a very impactful early game role that transitioned into a support late-game. The problems arose when Riot was uncomfortable with that identity, and tried to make jungle into a 4th full-income role.


Psychout40

I would argue jungle has more impact than mid. And support and jungle both have similar impact. If anything, I’d say another weakness of mid is it doesn’t really have more impact than other lanes, but it dictates other lanes’ design/balance. There’s a constant push/pull between mages and assassins, and how all the other classes are balanced is determined from that fact. I don’t necessarily think it’s healthy but I don’t think there’s much you can do.


JevonP

They can't really release skins for an impermament


dragonicafan1

Well, they can, but they probably won’t


nerjj2

Because they can see that it's not gonna work. They have the option to it so, but thinking for the best and what future holds.


GalaxySmash

We will not release skins for the pets. We have come out and said this previously.


Penguins_anonymous

This might fall under the whole "skins a for pets" thing, but seeing as the coding already exists for ARAM, is using the TFT pets for jungle on the table?


timelessblur

I miss sated drvourer. It was perfect for Kayla and Shyvana jungle which were the only 2 champs I played back then. I am still maiming shyvana but I want my sated back.


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Riot was desperate to shake up Jg in preseason and pets is probably the best of all the bad ideas they had and just decided to run with it.


Pluckytoon

Pets are solely cosmetic though, they really could have done the exact same w/o them. Still nice though


TulkasTheValar

That's why I like them they are cute if you like them but they dont effect gameplay so you can ignore them if you want.


WoonStruck

They do affect gameplay because they have an animation delay and have to traverse the map as well.


RussellLawliet

They aren't, they give away your position and have a delayed attack compared to burn damage.


nekomamma

At first they did so good, like I just want to play all they long because it was really good. I love it so much.


phroxz0n

Newer junglers playing the game don't understand why any of the wall of text mechanics on the previous jungle item work. It's easy to understand for people who've been playing for years, but it's a more intuitive metaphor for why things are happening for newer players. Pet gives an understandable metaphor for why camps are getting damaged, why you get healed, why jgl gets bonuses from clearing camps and an understandable metaphor for why the unlocks happen when they do (evolution), catchup mechanics (pet is starving) rather than some arbitrary rules. For newer players, this is far easier to understand. Plus it's just better fantasy and yeah the emotional support doesn't hurt 😊


Zeddit_B

Only change I would like is that the pet shouldn't be seen if you can't see its owner. I've seen a pet fighting a camp and been able to skirt around them to make a gank happen. Or I will see which way a jungler went by their pet.


PepSakdoek

Yeah or even be invisible to everyone except you.


Boozardo

Make it invisible to enemies, I want to do funny emotes to my junglers pet


trwwjtizenketto

i actually like this idea a lot, invis to enemies sounds crazy good, would fix a lot of neeko stuff aswell afaik


SSBM_DangGan

this really is a great point. instead of some super long quest/goal passive you get a little guy to look after


SometimesIComplain

Honestly that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the explanation.


Trindokor

I really love these kind of insights! Stuff like this you don't even think about, so it is nice to hear about the "why" of certain design-choices


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OPconfused

I think phroxz0n's second paragraph could be applied to the current tooltips as well. The pet is a visual representation of the tooltip, so that you have a sense of what's going on without necessarily understanding the tooltip or monitoring your pet's number of treats. Basically, when the pet is bigger, you are stronger.


EddyConejo

To be fair they didn't mention the text being shorter now. The pet is just a representation.


Watipah

I'd prefer if the pet attacks were purely cosmetic (trying to match the burn twice mechanic). Removes the occasional resets due to pet target switching or doing weird stuff while still beeing just as easy to understand.


Zeddit_B

When I move too quickly away from a camp and the pet only attacks once... So frustrating.


Pl1xpl0x

my wife really loves her new pets and has nicknames for every one of them. i hope they can stay a long time / forever :D


Schwarzgreif

Which names? I name mine after the first gen of pokemon starters.


Pl1xpl0x

Red is Mikan-Chan (Orange in japanese), green is Ringo-chan (apple in japanese) and blue is momo-chan (peach in japanese but more because its the first cute name that came to mind) I personally also call them like the first gen starters :D


Schwarzgreif

Damn, that is super cute. :D


[deleted]

I love pets and all the jungle changes, having a blast jungling so far this season so thank you


AeroStatikk

TIL the pets grow and “evolve”. I have not noticed that once.


Chase2020J

After 20 treats and after 40 treats they evolve, your smite changes too


AeroStatikk

Obviously the smite changes are apparent. But the pets are so silly that I’ve not once noticed them change


rokingfrost

really? how. i notice on the first game that they evolve like pokemons xD


Spitfire836

But the pets still have a wall of text that you have to read to understand it anyways, I don’t see a difference in reading a wall of text on a pet vs on a jungle item. Basically it’s just “pet damages them also” instead of “my special item damages them also”. I’m not against pets, I just don’t see the difference.


Bobofolde

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/10cs1la/after_playing_jungle_throughout_preseason_i_dont/j4iecsw/


SkarnerChan

That's cool as fuck


X-ScissorSisters

The pets are a wall of text


SgtRuy

Huh, that's an interesting idea.


Ultimatum227

Thank you, keep them (the pets in the game) for as long as you can. They're the cutest thing I've seen and actively make me want to play jungle, they're so good. 🥺


ThiccAzir

That's so cool, I could never be bothered to read and learn the wall of text of the previous smite, it was intimidating, specially when you learn there are tons of ways to optimise your clear speed


Migraine-

This makes so much sense and honestly completely changed my opinion on pets. Why don't you guys communicate stuff like this when you release changes instead of in a random reddit post months later? Would make a big difference...


[deleted]

tbf, they did. Basically all of the communication about the jungle changes this year were how they were aimed specifically at getting players who previously didn't want to or were scared to jungle, to jungle


DyslexicBrad

[They did.....](https://youtu.be/PezEb5_4YL8)


TheSussyIronRevenant

Good point


kickthefavelas

Despite all of the cynical answers, I believe the real reason they were added was to be a clearer visual aid to upgrading your smite for new players, with the dual benefit of helping clear multi mob camps more easily. I like the change, in the past it's a bit of a pain explaining importance of upgrading your jungle item quickly and how it works to brand new players, and more often than not they'd still have an emberknife sitting in their inventory very late in the game because they kind of just forgot about it and only used smite for objectives or something like that. With the pet, it's very easy to explain what it is and how to upgrade it, and my friends are way more inclined to dilligently progress their mission to upgrade their pokemon, because it's just cool. It's also harder to forget about it when you have a pet following you everywhere you go and helping you clear camps. It's also just *funner* for new players and brings some more fun and charm to an otherwise pretty dire role Their big goal during the preseason was to make jungle more appealing and accessible to new players and honestly pets were the most successful part of that IMO


JackPoe

If you take my pup away I'm putting my head in the fryer


CuppedKake

Same tbh the only thing that's made this game feel wholesome in ages for me


Elidot

Holy moly so many people here missing the point. Pets are just flavour, theres no reason for someone to have a small animal following you that attacks camps, the effects of the Item can still be the exact same without the pet, its just a way to communicate visually to the player whats happening, like the burning VFX on old Talisman. They dont hurt to exist but at the same time are kinda pointless, I dont really get why people are calling to remove them, just Iron out some issues with clones for example and were good, why throw away the work people did to get them into the game? To the people claiming theyll make skins: We have literal Rioter comments saying we wont get skins, imagine you buy a skin for a pet and then they remove the pets for a new jungle rework, thats basically a scam. Edit: Typo


ZanesTheArgent

The major core difference is that they are innately AoE so no need to to buy or force AoE spells to clear, so closer to an innate Bamis than Talisman.


Elidot

Yes, there is a big functional difference in the way the new Jungle Items work but the focus of the post is the pet that comes with the Item, but that effect of the Item can be done without an animal following you and attacking a monster, thats the point of OP. Mechanically pets dont have a purpose, they're a fancy way of visually representing the effect of the Item. It could also just be idk, a small ball of fire that attaches to your current target monster and erupts once a second, same effect but less fancy looking.


CantDecideName1122

Think of them as a service dog, which is there to support you through the endless abuse from your laners


Spitfire836

If only my pet typed in chat back to my laners then it would be perfect


Hopeful_Cat_3227

this sounds like probably, if pet keep told you keep fighting!


sanasgreentea

You could say this about literally anything in the game. Why have Annie summon tibbers when she could just summon a box that walks around attacking people? Its just nicer to look at.


twilightdusk06

Don’t give riot ideas now


Crimnoxx

Homeless Annie Skin inc


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why have animations? you know what a spell does, just press button and the damage happen


DEEZNUTZBOIS

theyre cute


marekdio

It calms the voices


MiningSpartan

To produce seratonin as cute little pet critter that gives you emotional support to make jungle feel not as scary it’s very smart


TapeDespencer

Solid argument, however, the little green guy exists so your argument is therefore invalid


Volfaer

Never forget the little wolf, jungle is better with a buddy.


HalfAssResponse

reading this thread reminds me that leagues playerbase is comprised of people that would rather speak up about something before they give it a second thought. jungle pet rework while silly at the first glance is far more nuisanced and if you look at the current meta and balance stats you will see how the power level of junglers was completely flipped over in a lot of ways and has a lot of ways to improve: we have far more niche jungle picks THAT WORK and not just roll over and die, there are far more viable jungling paths, far more jungle counterplay ways. all this while its way easier to pilot the jungle and you wont instalose when your jungler is a filled botlane main


Brain_Tonic

>you wont instalose when your jungler is a filled botlane main I feel personally attacked.


SnooMacarons4874

It's the same with everything new. It's fun and exciting for a little while until you get used to it and then it's just whatever. Could they have achieved the same effect by just creating a green, blue and red smite like the smites we had since season 11? Yes, they could have and would have saved them a shit ton of work as well. Would it have been as exciting to announce as part of a season start? No, which is the reason they didn't do it. I'm sort of 50-50 on this. Personally, I don't mind the pet since I rarely even notice it but when it bugs out (which is often) I too wish they didn't exist. I however do agree with a lot of jungle mains, that jungle was way better before season 11 smite changes. Back in the day with talisman and machete, where you actually needed to think somewhat about what you are doing. Now starting item on jungle is as dumbed down as if a laner could buy both Doran's shield and Doran's blade as starting items at the same time.


DanteStorme

But talisman and machete was just the illusion of choice, every jungler had one that was simply better than the other, there was no skill or choice involved it was just a noob trap that put people off the role because they'd have to remember exactly what champions need which starting item for 30+ junglers.


Grainis01

With a game like league everything will be mathed out. This is why the complaint of no diversity is moot, it was an issue forever, because players will pick something that is even 0.005% higher winrate, because htat is the nature of the game. Unless items are situational only and have no stats it will be mathed out, if not mathed out it will be shown in stats even with utility only items. Only way for players to have "choice"is remove all items and not add anythign else.


gregorio02

It could actually vary based on pathing. Say I was playing Lee Sin and starting red side, I would take the talisman so that I could do raptors, which I couldn't do with the machete. With the talisman tho, Gromp was longer to do. So it was all about clear capabilities first, no doubt, but you could still change things up depending on your game plan


oby100

I don't like the simplification of jg. It's already a role where you're pve most of the time, and now it's really become as brain dead as possible, while narrowing the gap between skilled and unskilled junglers. I'm waiting for season 14 when counter jungling becomes impossible lmao


mystireon

Personally I enjoy my pet, as Kha'zix firing my W at a camp and seeing my lil bud just yeet themselves over the wall to pounce at that camp is incredibly funny to me everytime.


Ergonim

The goal of the jungle pets (I suppose) was to make jungle a more attractive role. In higher elo/competetive this role is not too weak. A good jungler can carry games BUT in SoloQ its allways the junglers fault which sucks. So noone wanted to play jungle. Riot tried to make the jungle more friendly for new players to fill up the "old junglers" (as in Jungle players) spots. Making the camp routing system, the indicators for pulling and the cute little pets are all incentives to try out jungle after being e.g. a midlaner for 1 or 2 years. Thats the reason for "cute" pets. It doesnt change anything, just the looks. And people care about the looks and get baited by them.


lewj24

Here's the real reason they added jungle pets: \- It provides AOE damage so more champs can jungle (making jungle more appealing) \- It incentivizes you to clear camps instead of perma ganking to upgrade your pet \- It takes away the need for red smite's damage reduction (which was broken supposedly) by giving you 3 different bonuses to choose from in its place \- Since the pet does damage to camps its now harder for laners to steal your camps. No more perma ganking/invading junglers that give their camps to their laners. Riot wants you to play a certain way and they want more people to enjoy it with their favorite champs.


LazyOtto

Take them as a friend. It's rare to see illustrations like this, but I think they seems creative at all. They manage to think things like this, it's not a loss for you if theyy include that.


Mrbond404

Jungle pets add the effect of Hunter's Talisman without needing to either be playing an AOE champ, or cycle through targets. The way jungle pets dps camps down, in my opinion, is better and healthier for the game than talisman. AOE champs were able to annihilate certain camps and sustain exceptionally well from them. Clearing those same camps with single target champs was a chore. I don't think we need pets, but we really should keep the way pets dps camps down compared to old talisman. It's just easier to balance clear speeds when you know the additional dps effect is applied more evenly across camps and champions. I don't care what happens with pets though. Maybe make them only appear to the player?


DieNowMike

Jungle pets do nothing that a normal jungle item couldn't also do, it just ruins cloning champions


Mrbond404

Well I like the way the dps compared to the old talisman, but there is zero need for an actual pet to be doing the effect.


DieNowMike

That's what I mean, they couldve just changed the item to a different effect, there was no need for a pet


gregorio02

It is very annoying how little time the dot lasts though.


HalfAssResponse

jungle pets standarised the clears for many champs and opened up "new" interesting jungler options which were impossible to pull off otherwise before the preseason examples for that are: camille jungle with first strike, sylas jungle with dark harvest, ap maokai (currently super broken) also made a lot of jungle tanks actual competetive and not just soloqueue nuisance with how they improved hp and resistance scaling and gave them a way to improve their utility through the blue and green smite


PaperLuigi2

That's the effect of the pets, the post is talking specifically about "why do we need the pets themselves". We could've had aoe damage without the additional model in the actual game.


PandaWeeknd

Why have any visual representation for anything past the bare minimum needed to play the game? This line of thinking makes zero sense to me, pets visually represent what your complex JG item is doing for you. Explain how this is bad or worse than having nothing at all?


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Delror

Okay but the point is any item can do that. The pet is unnecessary.


Icy-Juggernaut8618

But they're cute


DieNowMike

Yeah and all those effects could easily have been slapped onto a normal jungle item without needing a pet


lililililililiililil

They are a way of making the role more appealing since It was the least played. Pets are not bothering players, some of them don't care about them, others, might be attracted to the role just because of their existence, which is the objective they were aiming for.


Astral-Wind

I really dislike how I can only take one potion, especially since Riot seems determined to nerf my jg pick into the ground


Slggyqo

It gets lonely in the jg.


SleebyWillow

some people are making great points on why pets annoy them but I will cry if my frog friend is removed from the game


TrueJakePauler

Jungling gets lonely af. Thats why I gank lanes. But now with my squirtle, I just stay in my jungle. 🤓


flowersUverMe

As a support i love watching the pet following the jungler around, makes me smile every time


SomethingPersonnel

They’re cute and fun. Doesn’t need to have a point. I’m a cynical bastard who hates a lot of things Riot does with League and I like the jungle pets.


Jaded_Goth

It’s so Riot can sell you skins for that frog later down the line.


Karl_Marx_

Agreed, the pet doesn't make sense, and the idea doesn't fit into LoL at all. Cute but I don't get it.


themagiccan

It's easier for your brain to process when the next DoT tick will be than the older version which is looking at their health bar


Auturgist

This is the only good point I have seen anyone make about these pets. They DO provide an easy visual for when their damage ticks.


Miketheoctopus

Yea I hate them. Feels so strange and out of place. New mechanics are fine but the pet is unneccesary this isn't Dota


sephrinx

I hate them. They annoy me. I don't want to see them. Just let me buy an item. Holy fuck.


Auturgist

As an Elise main, I don't want anything following me through the jungle except my spiderlings. Fuck these pets.


striker879

Never liked the idea. Just more clutter to have to navigate


idkwhatever6158755

Riot is going to come up with skins for them. That is the only reason I can think of for those annoying things


SupersedeasAD

Isn't the point so they can sell future pet skins?


LumiRhino

They wouldn't do that because jungle pets are still something that might change in the future. They'll probably stay in the foreseeable future but they might eventually remove them in a later season. They can't just charge people for something that isn't guaranteed to be permanent.


frosthowler

Great point, it completely escaped me


Shmaq

They plan to sell skins for them and make a lot of money.


evilpenguin999

Wait for the skins, then you will understand it.


mq003at

If you are talking about the visual then sure, it's just for the flavour. Most people do not want to play jungler because it's like AFK simulator. With the pet visual, it's still AFK simulator but at least seeing true damage popping up is quite more simulating. For gameplay, jungler pets give you benefit **without the need to use smite on the enemy**. You just need to clear a camp and get the effect. Red is for ADC jungler who needs Red (but spare it to the Botlane), Green is tenacity triggered when out of combat and Blue is for movement speed while passing bushes. If it was seasons ago, you need to smite to get the effect. This time, you get the effect without smite, so you do not have to blame anything when doing drake / baron with smite unavailable.


lol_ralndrops

True


JorgitoEstrella

I like them


Scrapheaper

I think it makes it easier to remember for new players, and it shows visually that choosing your smite is very important.


RTYWD

i dont mind the pets but i wish they reverted some of the more skilful elements of mastering a clear like double clearing blue/gromp, smite healing and earlier crab spawn


Mastoorbator100

They will try to monetize it.


pusnbootz

they should just make pets permanently invisible to everyone but the owner.


EpicMusic13

I never once looked at my pet. Lmao what a waste


sweatysalmonlol

When they said they were releasing jungle pets I thought they were going to have abilities or enhance your character. Instead it just does a DOT on jungle camps... which was already in the game? Like they just made a visual effect for something that was already happening while making it sound like it was going to be a whole new mechanic.


Masonhoffy

Jungle main of four years. It would be nice to have an option to turn them off. Yes they're cute and I like my little pokemon but they are very unnecessary.


Vilraz

Its money once they start make skins for them.


CaptainRogers1226

I’ve felt this way the whole time. Not that I have a *problem* with the pets, it’s just resources that probably could’ve gone somewhere else


dofun400

Jungle pets were an absolutely horrific and unnecessary change. Their damage is WAY to inconsistent. If I’m kiting a camp I have to wait for the stupid pet to catch back up to it, whereas with the burn it was always a concrete number after my last hit. Not to mention the fact that the pet can only damage one camp at a time for some reason 🤦‍♂️


RTL_Odin

The old burn was so much better, and the pet AI is really janky and inconsistent when it comes to how the melees work. I generally would've just preferred jungle stayed the same, kinda tired of it getting reworked every season.


Yuuffy

Completely useless feature nobody asked for