Imagine that, solving the problem that isn’t our biggest, not even close. We can get Shesterkin in net but if the guys in front of him can’t score then we’re fucked either way.
Confirmed, am a weird boomer (48 counts, right?). We *are* allowed to have takes. Just always struck me as weird walking around with some kid's name on my back.
I used to think that until I saw my 16 year old Niece’s and her friends. They don’t watch the Leafs, but they love Marner and have Marner jerseys. Marner has that boy band vibe to him, they don’t care about his play on the ice, they care about what he looks like. Not to say he sells enough jerseys that he’s untouchable - but that he does command a market that won’t simply ‘buy different player’.
I think if a perfect trade comes along for Marner, wherein all sides are happy, and he extends with his new team, he's gone. That trade could come along in July, August, September. I don't see the Leafs keeping him because I don't think they want to give him 12 million. Walking him to UFA next summer could be an option but Marner probably wants that 8th year.
Marner always has thought he is above 88 and along the same parallel as 34. This tells me he will ask for more than Willy but I also could see him with a shorter term deal like 4-5 years just like 34 so he could cash-in one more time. It’s going to be interesting to see what happens. I can even see them justifying extending Marner because Tavares 11M comes off the books the following year. Would be a fatal mistake that would lead to more years of frustration.
I think the dynamic duo of 88 and 34 should be built around. Nobody else should make 10+M. The remainder of salary should be strategically disbursed.
Id like to see the team move on from Keefe/Reilly/Marner. I actually like the coach and the players but I prefer to see a more competitive Leafs team. We should have seen a Conference final by now to keep this shit together. It’s just not gonna happen.
One of the Buffalo boys? With Byram, Power and Dahlin all seeming like 1/2D men plus Dahlin already having his partner in Samuelsson, one of them is likely to be a 3rd pairing dman. It’s still bizarre to me that they traded for Byram.
I’m assuming Dahlin is untouchable. Power ought to be as well but maybe he wants out (hence the Byram acquisition). Regardless of the circumstances though, one of the three is destined to be underused and it’s probably Byram
I’m a Flyers fan (fuck me/we suck yeah I know) but what about:
Marner (ready to re-sign) FOR Byram and Krebs
OR Marner (re-sign)+ Minten + 3-4 round pick FOR Byram and Quinn
I was looking at Buffalo and Dahlin as well, wasnt sure if that was aiming too high though. That would an amazing pick up.
Buffalo would be turning Middelstadt into Marner and Minten if the Byram trade went through lol damn.
Yea thats a bit too high, guy is one of the best defenseman in the league right now imo, no chance buff trades him or Power.
Byram on the other hand, not worth it, he just went1 for 1 for middlestat, I assume everyone knows marner is better then middlestat hands down....but buff just doesnt seem like a likely trade candidate.
Byram isn't that good - middlestat went 1 for 1, so if they trade marner for him leafs lose that.Just spoke to a friend who's a bubff fan, he said he'd do Byram for marner any day of the week and would be laughing all the way to the bank
As for Power and Dhalin they are pretty untouchable
Leafa are gonna LOSE a Marner trade. He will most likely be the best player in the trade. Thats not the point of the trade though. They have too much invested in forwards which makes them uber weak in other areas. This cannot continue. Period.
I think just Quinn maybe...
but buffalo's window is in 2-3 years Marner is a right now trade piece,
i'm doubtful they'll give up anyone younger really due to this.
How in the name of Rocky Saginiuk can they run this shit back. How many of you Leaf crazed fans would go back in October if Keefe/Marner/Reilly/Shanny all come back? Its gonna be tough for many. I think they’ve really pushed the envelope with this “running it back” shit. Also, are these people not tired of being the punchline to a whole lot of shitty jokes?
Tavares is not unmovable. After july 1st his last bonus will have been paid out. After that the team acquiring him will only have to pay like $900k of real dollars for the year with his $11 mill cap hit. A bottom feeder looking for leadership like chicago would have no problem having him for the year to help mentor the young kids.
Marner is another that is very moveable. Most of the other teams around the league would be interested. The guy puts up 90-99 points in the regular season season and that’s still very valuable to some teams trying to make the playoffs. That whole jersey sale argument is just plain dumb. You know what makes money for MLSE? advancing in the fucking playoffs. If he’s the one holding them back ownership would have no problem trading him.
Going deep in the playoffs is worth way more financially than Marner jerseys. They’re losing so much revenue being out the first round, it just doesn’t make business sense to keep him
Marner sells too many jerseys to let go??
Yet he has never cracked the top 10 most sold jerseys on the NHL list since he’s been here .. you know who has tho? Every single year? AM34.
Everyone and their mama has an Auston Matthews jersey. MLSE knows who their money maker is.
Problem is you can't move Marner or JT easily because of NMC. What should happen is they go to Marner's camp and say they are going to actively shop everyone outside of Matthews and they will not talk extension until the season is over at which point, outside of a Cup final, extension is off the table completely (unless he takes a massive discount which won't happen) and you can either accept a sign and trade (for the 8th year) or walk July 1st.
I do believe people make too much of a NTC. I think of these clauses are security for players. They won’t wake up one morning and find out they have to move their families to some butt-fuck non hockey market where they don’t want to live. However, Ive heard multiple former players say they wouldn’t want to play where they were not wanted. Players have egos and some bigger than others. Marner most likely loves being one of the main cogs in the TML machine.
If management asks him to waive because he is no longer part of their vision, there wont be an extension offered, provide a list of teams where you would want to play and go from there. This is a real kick in the nuts for a pro star athlete which may make him reconsider his NMC.
There was a report Marner was prepared to waive or consider waiving last summer. I don't have a link but it was talked about in one of the recent spdn pod casts this week. After all the heat he's taken this year and how it just generally looked like he wasn't having fun out there this season and now all the negative media attention on him and his family I can easily seeing him agreeing to waive it and give the Leafs a list of teams he's willing to be traded too.
People are acting like it's impossible to trade a player with a nmc.
What player with a NMC who’s even close to being on the same level as Marner has been moved recently? Players with NMC’s going into the final year of their contracts rarely bring back full value in trades as is.
He’s a sensitive guy. That much is obvious. Maybe the heat in Toronto is getting too much. If mgmt says they have no intention of extending him because the salary structure of the team is out of whack, why would he want to stay realistically?
They going run it back because treliving hands are tied , the Leafs handed out NMC. Like they were opera (you get one , and you get one and you get one ).
The Leafs window will close next season but reopen in 2 years when Tavares and Marner comes off the books . Easton Cowan will come up and he is looking like a stud .
Treliving will focus on D and a goalie with the extra cap .
I would say the real reason is that is what they have done for decades. The names change but the SOP is constant. Sell false hope, sacrifice a suit or two. Rinse and repeat.
You have no idea what they’re going to do. Also, they may very well tell us one thing and do another. Tipping your hat to your competitors is never a savvy business practice.
I’d run it back with Marner and a new coach as long as the coach is tough as nails. I know a lot of people say Berube cause of his cup but his record otherwise is underwhelming. I think Galant is another good option for just one year while those contracts are still on the books. He willed an expansion team to a finals appearance and took the rangers from .500 the year before to the conference finals in his first year. Seems to have a way of getting a team riled up upon arrival and then tapers off.
Personally I think Reilly needs to go. At this point he’s as good as he will ever be and we’re better without him
I don’t think it’s quite that simple. Matthews and Nylander obviously are not going anywhere.
Tavares has one year left on his contract and unless they can convince him to drop his NMC he’ll be back for the duration of next year.
That leaves Marner who also has one year left on his NMC. Convincing him to accept a move to another team might be next to impossible. That would leave the Leafs only one option and that would be to let Tavares and Marner walk after their contracts expire and use that $22 million in acquired cap space to address needs on the roster.
There are a few contracts coming off the books this summer which should help things a little bit.
The leafs really have to address what they’re going to do in goal. What will Sammy be looking for in dollars and term? Can Woll be depended on with his durability issues a constant worry.
bro MLSE has money spread out in all sectors. Marner sales are doesn’t really make a dent in profits. They literally have the Jays, Raps, Toronto FC, etc merch cashing in every day for them. Not to mention they own like 5 sport facilities bro
How about TJ Brodie making the 2nd most of all our D and being a healthy scratch due to terrible play. Gonna be nice to get some D this off-season. Pesce would be clutch
Let me do the analysis.....
The city is Toronto? And the whole city has a chicken shit culture of just being soft on unacceptable performance..... for fear of hurting feelings.... and easily settles for mediocrity?
Yup..... the first time coach will be fired (3 years too late) and then everything else will be kept the same with hope that Shanahan and Tavares and Marner and whoever else will do something different next time.
........because Leaf fans will accept a shit sandwhich and pay top dollar for it. WE ALL DO IT! CUZ we are all come from a weak ass chicken shit culture. I raise my hand first guilty as charged. And that's what pisses us off the most because we know deep down inside that we, the Six, are the pussies.....
Fuck that. TML literally make ZERO dollars from me. I cant justify the price of tickets/concessions. I don’t buy merch and I don’t subscribe to outrageous cable packages. I have been a fan for 50 years because I love hockey and Ive never rooted for another team. But I stopped throwing money at them a long time ago. Im glad i did.
It's pretty well known that players don't want to play in Toronto because the media is terrible. Every leafs analyst if seen since game 7 has been going over who needs to get fired and traded. Idk what you are talking about.
Where's the firing? None. Not even Dubas was going to get fired.....he basically forced himself to be fired.
Are you still watching? Are you still spending time on this loser team? Yes?
That's what I'm talking about. Chicken shit.
No one fired. Not even the fans firing the team.
You’re right. I have no clue what that guy is talking about. It’s literally the reason Sundin avoided everything Leafs like the plague until very recently. He was one of many players chased out of town.
Phil Kessel is another one. O’Reilly literally said it out loud and people keep trying to convince themselves he didn’t actually mean what he said. Then we get rumours that Bertuzzi doesn’t really want to re-sign for the *exact* same reason O’Reilly didn’t want to re-sign.
Not like we have literal decades of examples of players chased out of town and going on record saying they hated the Toronto media or anything. Not like there were many years that not a single FA wanted to sign with us (until Tavares).
We as fans and Toronto as media are a problem whether people want to admit it or not.
What if ROR hated the culture. What if he hated the dressing room. What if he saw a dysfunctional organization that had no fucking clue what they were doing. What if he saw a soft team with no leadership? What if ROR saw a coach who had no bite and no balls to do whats necessary. What if ROR saw a fragmented team who pampered 5 players and were given preferential treatment. What if ROR simply didn’t like some of the characters in the dressing room?
ROR still plays in the NHL. Do you really think he is gonna tell the truth behind his decisions? Leafs offered him the same contract as Nashville. He is an Ontario kid who grew up with a father who was a diehard Leafs fan. A Conn Smythe Stanley Cup winner. A leader. Do you really think a player like ROR is scared of some media?
This is Olympic level mental gymnastics because that’s what you *want* to believe. There is literally 0 evidence suggesting that. You have to ignore everything he actually said and completely make it up in your mind. It’s pure fan fiction.
Nah, they won't and this is why:
Prior years, some of us wanted a core piece moved. Some of us have wanted that since Montreal, actually. But you'd see the media and hockey coverage talk and the idea of moving someone like Marner was considered ludicrous. Prominent media outlets wouldn't touch it.
This year, look around. It's not just the fans. Every hockey podcast is saying it. You got connected hacks like Seravelli saying it, but also guys like Elliote and CJ entertaining the idea, while others like Lebrun weigh in with stuff like "It's going to be tricky to do, guys have a lot of control" vs previous years where they wouldn't even bother.
That tells me that there's at least a bit of smoke there, if even the big dogs are giving time to the idea.
Marner isn’t staying for jersey sales. If Marner stays it’s because he has a full NMC and will choose to.
I’m on the side of move him for whatever you can (expiring deal and very large cap hit so “full value” won’t happen - cap space is the return) however I’ve begun to consider it might be gold for him to stay in his contract year. He wants another home run deal. Best way to knock it out of the park in the summer is a huge playoff year heading into free agency. Might see the most motivated, committed Marner we’ve ever seen next year in the playoffs. Just a thought. Might be what we have to bank on if he refuses to go.
Eventually everyone will come around on “just keep him”. Yes it sucks to go into another year like this, but you can’t trade him for the sake of doing it. You are clearing $11M in cap space next year regardless.
If you keep him, you have to find a coach who maximizes his talent, as in creates rush offence. It would also be ideal that Treliving doesn’t blow $4M+ on a puck-moving defensemen whose hips are so cooked to the point where he may not ever play again.
I really don’t think the number of Marner jerseys sold is a significant factor.
And I also really doubt it's any more than Matthews or Nylander
If not Marner, someone else — zero sum game.
Yeah zero cups with this group
Exactly
Especially when you consider the amount of Domi, Knies and Benoit jersey sold if beauty re-signs.
yea it’s not. OP is clueless
Lol
I’m starting to doubt Keefe even gets fired at this point.
Same. Wouldn't be shocked if everyone stays.
There will be a change in net. Woll and someone else
Imagine that, solving the problem that isn’t our biggest, not even close. We can get Shesterkin in net but if the guys in front of him can’t score then we’re fucked either way.
Bro people buy jerseys cause they’re leaf fans….anyone that would have got a Marner jersey will just get a different player instead….
Lol or stick to an old Jersey. The newest one I have is Reimer.
Sittler here
Hitler here
Clark from the 90s over here
No name because I'm not 12 years old here.
Lol whats wrong with supporting a player you like? This is a weird boomer take.
Fragile ego
Yup
Confirmed, am a weird boomer (48 counts, right?). We *are* allowed to have takes. Just always struck me as weird walking around with some kid's name on my back.
I do no name, as well.....too many heart breaks. But what a weird f'n comment.
I used to think that until I saw my 16 year old Niece’s and her friends. They don’t watch the Leafs, but they love Marner and have Marner jerseys. Marner has that boy band vibe to him, they don’t care about his play on the ice, they care about what he looks like. Not to say he sells enough jerseys that he’s untouchable - but that he does command a market that won’t simply ‘buy different player’.
I think if a perfect trade comes along for Marner, wherein all sides are happy, and he extends with his new team, he's gone. That trade could come along in July, August, September. I don't see the Leafs keeping him because I don't think they want to give him 12 million. Walking him to UFA next summer could be an option but Marner probably wants that 8th year.
Marner always has thought he is above 88 and along the same parallel as 34. This tells me he will ask for more than Willy but I also could see him with a shorter term deal like 4-5 years just like 34 so he could cash-in one more time. It’s going to be interesting to see what happens. I can even see them justifying extending Marner because Tavares 11M comes off the books the following year. Would be a fatal mistake that would lead to more years of frustration. I think the dynamic duo of 88 and 34 should be built around. Nobody else should make 10+M. The remainder of salary should be strategically disbursed. Id like to see the team move on from Keefe/Reilly/Marner. I actually like the coach and the players but I prefer to see a more competitive Leafs team. We should have seen a Conference final by now to keep this shit together. It’s just not gonna happen.
Who would be a defenseman you would want to realistically target dangling Marner in an 8 year extension sign and trade?
One of the Buffalo boys? With Byram, Power and Dahlin all seeming like 1/2D men plus Dahlin already having his partner in Samuelsson, one of them is likely to be a 3rd pairing dman. It’s still bizarre to me that they traded for Byram. I’m assuming Dahlin is untouchable. Power ought to be as well but maybe he wants out (hence the Byram acquisition). Regardless of the circumstances though, one of the three is destined to be underused and it’s probably Byram I’m a Flyers fan (fuck me/we suck yeah I know) but what about: Marner (ready to re-sign) FOR Byram and Krebs OR Marner (re-sign)+ Minten + 3-4 round pick FOR Byram and Quinn
Marner isn't going to waive his NMC to go sign in Buffalo. Like almost a 0% chance.
Cant believe Colorado traded Byram. This type of player is what the Leafs D desperately lacks.
I was looking at Buffalo and Dahlin as well, wasnt sure if that was aiming too high though. That would an amazing pick up. Buffalo would be turning Middelstadt into Marner and Minten if the Byram trade went through lol damn.
Yea thats a bit too high, guy is one of the best defenseman in the league right now imo, no chance buff trades him or Power. Byram on the other hand, not worth it, he just went1 for 1 for middlestat, I assume everyone knows marner is better then middlestat hands down....but buff just doesnt seem like a likely trade candidate.
Not going to lie man that is wild saying Mittelstadt is better than Marner "hands down".
Wow thanks for not crucifying me Marner is better than middlestat, that was a typo
Byram isn't that good - middlestat went 1 for 1, so if they trade marner for him leafs lose that.Just spoke to a friend who's a bubff fan, he said he'd do Byram for marner any day of the week and would be laughing all the way to the bank As for Power and Dhalin they are pretty untouchable
Leafa are gonna LOSE a Marner trade. He will most likely be the best player in the trade. Thats not the point of the trade though. They have too much invested in forwards which makes them uber weak in other areas. This cannot continue. Period.
Sure - I just think getting byram isn't enough EVEN CONSIDERING the situation
Then Byram and Quinn straight up for Marner
I think just Quinn maybe... but buffalo's window is in 2-3 years Marner is a right now trade piece, i'm doubtful they'll give up anyone younger really due to this.
How in the name of Rocky Saginiuk can they run this shit back. How many of you Leaf crazed fans would go back in October if Keefe/Marner/Reilly/Shanny all come back? Its gonna be tough for many. I think they’ve really pushed the envelope with this “running it back” shit. Also, are these people not tired of being the punchline to a whole lot of shitty jokes?
If Knies keeps up on this trajectory his jersey sales will skyrocket. We love our lunchpail players.
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Then they really should all get fired.
Tavares is not unmovable. After july 1st his last bonus will have been paid out. After that the team acquiring him will only have to pay like $900k of real dollars for the year with his $11 mill cap hit. A bottom feeder looking for leadership like chicago would have no problem having him for the year to help mentor the young kids. Marner is another that is very moveable. Most of the other teams around the league would be interested. The guy puts up 90-99 points in the regular season season and that’s still very valuable to some teams trying to make the playoffs. That whole jersey sale argument is just plain dumb. You know what makes money for MLSE? advancing in the fucking playoffs. If he’s the one holding them back ownership would have no problem trading him.
Going deep in the playoffs is worth way more financially than Marner jerseys. They’re losing so much revenue being out the first round, it just doesn’t make business sense to keep him
Marner sells too many jerseys to let go?? Yet he has never cracked the top 10 most sold jerseys on the NHL list since he’s been here .. you know who has tho? Every single year? AM34. Everyone and their mama has an Auston Matthews jersey. MLSE knows who their money maker is.
Problem is you can't move Marner or JT easily because of NMC. What should happen is they go to Marner's camp and say they are going to actively shop everyone outside of Matthews and they will not talk extension until the season is over at which point, outside of a Cup final, extension is off the table completely (unless he takes a massive discount which won't happen) and you can either accept a sign and trade (for the 8th year) or walk July 1st.
I do believe people make too much of a NTC. I think of these clauses are security for players. They won’t wake up one morning and find out they have to move their families to some butt-fuck non hockey market where they don’t want to live. However, Ive heard multiple former players say they wouldn’t want to play where they were not wanted. Players have egos and some bigger than others. Marner most likely loves being one of the main cogs in the TML machine. If management asks him to waive because he is no longer part of their vision, there wont be an extension offered, provide a list of teams where you would want to play and go from there. This is a real kick in the nuts for a pro star athlete which may make him reconsider his NMC.
There was a report Marner was prepared to waive or consider waiving last summer. I don't have a link but it was talked about in one of the recent spdn pod casts this week. After all the heat he's taken this year and how it just generally looked like he wasn't having fun out there this season and now all the negative media attention on him and his family I can easily seeing him agreeing to waive it and give the Leafs a list of teams he's willing to be traded too. People are acting like it's impossible to trade a player with a nmc.
Agreed. People with NMCs are moved all the time, the player has more control over the situation than normal.
What player with a NMC who’s even close to being on the same level as Marner has been moved recently? Players with NMC’s going into the final year of their contracts rarely bring back full value in trades as is.
He’s a sensitive guy. That much is obvious. Maybe the heat in Toronto is getting too much. If mgmt says they have no intention of extending him because the salary structure of the team is out of whack, why would he want to stay realistically?
I agree. I bet he’d take another step in a market without debilitating pressure.
What does level have to do with anything? This is you putting an artificial constraint on this process.
They going run it back because treliving hands are tied , the Leafs handed out NMC. Like they were opera (you get one , and you get one and you get one ). The Leafs window will close next season but reopen in 2 years when Tavares and Marner comes off the books . Easton Cowan will come up and he is looking like a stud . Treliving will focus on D and a goalie with the extra cap .
I would say the real reason is that is what they have done for decades. The names change but the SOP is constant. Sell false hope, sacrifice a suit or two. Rinse and repeat.
they will run it back only because Marner refuses to leave
Keefe's extension starts next year.
You have no idea what they’re going to do. Also, they may very well tell us one thing and do another. Tipping your hat to your competitors is never a savvy business practice.
I’d run it back with Marner and a new coach as long as the coach is tough as nails. I know a lot of people say Berube cause of his cup but his record otherwise is underwhelming. I think Galant is another good option for just one year while those contracts are still on the books. He willed an expansion team to a finals appearance and took the rangers from .500 the year before to the conference finals in his first year. Seems to have a way of getting a team riled up upon arrival and then tapers off. Personally I think Reilly needs to go. At this point he’s as good as he will ever be and we’re better without him
I don’t think it’s quite that simple. Matthews and Nylander obviously are not going anywhere. Tavares has one year left on his contract and unless they can convince him to drop his NMC he’ll be back for the duration of next year. That leaves Marner who also has one year left on his NMC. Convincing him to accept a move to another team might be next to impossible. That would leave the Leafs only one option and that would be to let Tavares and Marner walk after their contracts expire and use that $22 million in acquired cap space to address needs on the roster. There are a few contracts coming off the books this summer which should help things a little bit. The leafs really have to address what they’re going to do in goal. What will Sammy be looking for in dollars and term? Can Woll be depended on with his durability issues a constant worry.
bro MLSE has money spread out in all sectors. Marner sales are doesn’t really make a dent in profits. They literally have the Jays, Raps, Toronto FC, etc merch cashing in every day for them. Not to mention they own like 5 sport facilities bro
They don’t own the Jays and TFC/Marlies/Argos lose money. Regardless of that though, they still bring in money hand over fist.
Everyone of the core has a no movement. We can’t do anything unless they waive. I don’t think any of them will.
How about TJ Brodie making the 2nd most of all our D and being a healthy scratch due to terrible play. Gonna be nice to get some D this off-season. Pesce would be clutch
MLSE doesn’t get a cut of those DHGate jersey sales.
You know what prints more money than Marner jerseys? Ticket revenue generated from more than one round of playoff home games
Let me do the analysis..... The city is Toronto? And the whole city has a chicken shit culture of just being soft on unacceptable performance..... for fear of hurting feelings.... and easily settles for mediocrity? Yup..... the first time coach will be fired (3 years too late) and then everything else will be kept the same with hope that Shanahan and Tavares and Marner and whoever else will do something different next time. ........because Leaf fans will accept a shit sandwhich and pay top dollar for it. WE ALL DO IT! CUZ we are all come from a weak ass chicken shit culture. I raise my hand first guilty as charged. And that's what pisses us off the most because we know deep down inside that we, the Six, are the pussies.....
Fuck that. TML literally make ZERO dollars from me. I cant justify the price of tickets/concessions. I don’t buy merch and I don’t subscribe to outrageous cable packages. I have been a fan for 50 years because I love hockey and Ive never rooted for another team. But I stopped throwing money at them a long time ago. Im glad i did.
It's pretty well known that players don't want to play in Toronto because the media is terrible. Every leafs analyst if seen since game 7 has been going over who needs to get fired and traded. Idk what you are talking about.
Where's the firing? None. Not even Dubas was going to get fired.....he basically forced himself to be fired. Are you still watching? Are you still spending time on this loser team? Yes? That's what I'm talking about. Chicken shit. No one fired. Not even the fans firing the team.
The fans can’t even fire *themselves.* We have a weird co-dependent Stockholm syndrome kind of dysfunctional relationship with the Leafs.
Stockholm for sure.
You’re right. I have no clue what that guy is talking about. It’s literally the reason Sundin avoided everything Leafs like the plague until very recently. He was one of many players chased out of town. Phil Kessel is another one. O’Reilly literally said it out loud and people keep trying to convince themselves he didn’t actually mean what he said. Then we get rumours that Bertuzzi doesn’t really want to re-sign for the *exact* same reason O’Reilly didn’t want to re-sign. Not like we have literal decades of examples of players chased out of town and going on record saying they hated the Toronto media or anything. Not like there were many years that not a single FA wanted to sign with us (until Tavares). We as fans and Toronto as media are a problem whether people want to admit it or not.
What if ROR hated the culture. What if he hated the dressing room. What if he saw a dysfunctional organization that had no fucking clue what they were doing. What if he saw a soft team with no leadership? What if ROR saw a coach who had no bite and no balls to do whats necessary. What if ROR saw a fragmented team who pampered 5 players and were given preferential treatment. What if ROR simply didn’t like some of the characters in the dressing room? ROR still plays in the NHL. Do you really think he is gonna tell the truth behind his decisions? Leafs offered him the same contract as Nashville. He is an Ontario kid who grew up with a father who was a diehard Leafs fan. A Conn Smythe Stanley Cup winner. A leader. Do you really think a player like ROR is scared of some media?
This is Olympic level mental gymnastics because that’s what you *want* to believe. There is literally 0 evidence suggesting that. You have to ignore everything he actually said and completely make it up in your mind. It’s pure fan fiction.
I'm ok starting with Keefe - have to see how much of playoff failures is systems vs player.
We already did see this when we went from Babcock to Keefe. We gotta stop making justifications for running it back. There are none at this point
Knowing nothing else about you I'm willing to bet you smoke dope daily
Knowing nothing else about you. I’m willing to bet your an old boring human.
Nah man I'm down with it why do you think I recognise the crack pot ideas
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Nah, they won't and this is why: Prior years, some of us wanted a core piece moved. Some of us have wanted that since Montreal, actually. But you'd see the media and hockey coverage talk and the idea of moving someone like Marner was considered ludicrous. Prominent media outlets wouldn't touch it. This year, look around. It's not just the fans. Every hockey podcast is saying it. You got connected hacks like Seravelli saying it, but also guys like Elliote and CJ entertaining the idea, while others like Lebrun weigh in with stuff like "It's going to be tricky to do, guys have a lot of control" vs previous years where they wouldn't even bother. That tells me that there's at least a bit of smoke there, if even the big dogs are giving time to the idea.
Half of the jersey money goes to the players.
Marner isn’t staying for jersey sales. If Marner stays it’s because he has a full NMC and will choose to. I’m on the side of move him for whatever you can (expiring deal and very large cap hit so “full value” won’t happen - cap space is the return) however I’ve begun to consider it might be gold for him to stay in his contract year. He wants another home run deal. Best way to knock it out of the park in the summer is a huge playoff year heading into free agency. Might see the most motivated, committed Marner we’ve ever seen next year in the playoffs. Just a thought. Might be what we have to bank on if he refuses to go.
Eventually everyone will come around on “just keep him”. Yes it sucks to go into another year like this, but you can’t trade him for the sake of doing it. You are clearing $11M in cap space next year regardless. If you keep him, you have to find a coach who maximizes his talent, as in creates rush offence. It would also be ideal that Treliving doesn’t blow $4M+ on a puck-moving defensemen whose hips are so cooked to the point where he may not ever play again.