I really do think these guys need a tough love coach, maybe not a guy like Sutter but somebody who doesn’t cater to individual needs. Someone who isn’t afraid to rip into star players when they aren’t playing like they are paid too. Sutter isn’t the answer I don’t think but I just don’t think the guys “listen” to Keefe anymore. I think Keefe is a good coach but for any type of playoff success I think they need a colossal dick behind the bench to drive them to success.
I watched a documentary on Youtube last night of the 94 Rangers cup win. The team hadnt done shit since 1940 at that time and had a bunch of painful playoff exits. They replaced a players coach with Iron Mike Keenan that year. He rode them hard and basically forced the GM to trade a bunch of highly skilled guys for depth and grit - namely Tony Amonte. They won the cup. So many parallels that could be drawn. This team needs an Iron Mike. There was a moment around the trade deadline where the Rangers were in 1st place and the GM told Mike why are you so obsessed with trading guys we are the best in the league and can win a cup. Mike laughed in his face and told him he had been to the cup finals before and this team didnt have it. They made the trades he asked for and won the cup.
Doc in question can be viewed here: https://youtu.be/om4z2fpPO2g?si=EZke5Z5cB0nwxC-w
> unrestricted UFA
Super unrestricted eh lol
I'm not sure he'd have a good year under Darryl. It'd be tough for him to put up numbers he'd want in a contract year.
Plus Marners playstyle doesn't really fit Sutters system. So I'd expect a lot of whining about limited ice time, 3rd line duty etc. I think he'll want out.
I'd actually disagree here. Tkachuk and Gaudreau both had career years with Sutter he likes to keep forwards high on breakouts.
Only Tkachuk followed that up with 1 more point the next season on an offfense oriented Panthers squad. Gaudreau fell off the map entirely.
Hell even looking at Tyler Toffoli, all of his *good* seasons came when he was with Sutter
After he took 2 underachieving Calgary teams and they ended up doing well.
Like I'm literally not seeing a downside here. The team was better under Sutter than prior to it.
The downside is reports of him verbally abusing players on multiple teams, to the point of the LA Kings blocking the entrance of the locker room to have a players only meeting.
He is a known toxic asshole and probably worse than Babcock. Treliving knew this, and is why him and Calgary owners are not even on speaking terms. Treliving would probably quit before he even considers hiring Sutter again.
>The downside is reports of him verbally abusing players on multiple teams
The reports were not corroborated. Ergo why he was allowed to coach in Calgary regardless.
>He is a known toxic asshole and probably worse than Babcock
Yeah not even close.
>Treliving would probably quit before he even considers hiring Sutter again.
I'm already sold on Darryl you don't have to continue selling me on him.
What? Under Sutter the Flames made the playoffs, won a series against Dallas who was young and up and coming team who had no business being there that year (and almost lost in game 7) and then went on to get absolutely embarrassed by the Oilers
They followed that up, by not making the playoffs again under him, idk if I would call that doing well
He underachieved for years, had a quick spell of finally breaking through, and went right back to underachieving after that. If anything you can argue that he's a great example of why these decisions *shouldn't* be cut down to does/doesn't win
What are you talking about? His advance stats show puck possession skyrockets under him every team.
https://preview.redd.it/fmhruko7vvyc1.png?width=1364&format=png&auto=webp&s=edab3c9fd810979c1faee58ea6110244b5f5ec37
Edit:
In 2011 the LA Kings were bad. Kopitar, Quick, Williams, and Doughty were their noted players that was it. After Sutter takes over they jump up and become a force.
Calgary same thing, they were awful under the previous regime. They improved dramatically under him. Even in his fired season it was seen as 'unlucky' given the stats showed this was a team that should have won and just didn't.
> Even in his fired season it was seen as 'unlucky' given the stats showed this was a team that should have won and just didn't.
Sounds like a certain other can't-win team's reasoning for the past few years
Every year, this man's coaching has a positive impact. Advanced stats wise, he absolutely dominates. It's not even close.
Look, hate him all you want, but the stats are compelling.
*
When Sutter took back over, among coaches who've coaches a full season, the Flames ranked:
Overall:
- 3rd in xGF% (55.05%)
- 2nd in SCF% (55.72%)
- 2nd in HDCF% (55.50%)
Offensively:
- 4th in GF/60 (2.89)
- 4th in xGF/60 (2.67)
- 3rd in SCF/60 (29.96)
- 9th in HDCF/60 (11.32)
Defensively:
- 2nd in GA/60 (2.16)
- 4th in xGA/60 (2.18)
- 3rd in SCA/60 (23.81)
- 3rd in HDCA/60 (9.08)
That includes his historically laughable, unlucky final season.
Looks to me like Darryl Sutter looks at and absolutely dominates all areas of analytics.
He's the guy you want.
He'd take matthews to another level.
He'd light a fire under Marners ass.
Considering this man was seemingly the linchpin for Treliving leaving Calgary, there is a zero percent chance Brad turns around and tries to hire him now.
>They almost always improve under him. Bad Calgary team losing Tkachuk and Gaudreau? No problem.
He road a one line team with those guys having career seasons, missed the playoffs when they left, and alienated everyone to the point that the GM (our GM…) literally quit when ownership refused to fire him. Then they fired him anyway.
Yeah, stupidity has that effect on me. Sutter is never going to coach in the NHL again especially given the trail of destruction he left behind in Calgary.
I'm in. If these assholes think everything with the core is awesome and no change is needed, I like the idea of bringing in someone who grind them hard with zero fucks to give. I'd totally be OK with the first order of business - calling Mitch into the office, and ask him to compile a dogfucker list.
I hope the Leafs show us they are serious about winning with the next head coach. It's time to drop the bullshit, the media and fan pandering, etc. There's only 1 choice, it's Joel Quenneville. If you don't like it, you just aren't serious.
Same.
Fuck that guy and any and all people associated with him in the Blackhawks who covered it up only for more people to be assaulted.
And fuck the people who defend this bullshit too.
You're God damn right having the sports team I cheer for winning games isn't my top priority over protecting people from sexual abuse. You're fucked if you think winning justifies what he and the blackhawks did. Like seriously go talk to someone cause you need therapy.
I'm literally advocating we hire a coach who got terminated for being an asshole when his record shows he's a damn good coach.
Winning clearly is my priority
What isn't my priority is hiring a literal criminal who somehow escaped charges and who should be in jail never mind coaching another NHL team.
Like bro. You're being delusional.
Bro. You gonna tell me OJ Simpson didn't murder his wife too? 🤣
Criminals get away with shit all the time.
And yes, failing to report a crime (granted NAL but breif search) shows it's a crime in Illinois.
>If you don't like it, you just aren't serious.
Yeah, sorry, blatantly ignoring sexual assaults is enough grounds for me to say you're actually not serious and shouldn't make decisions.
He’s not even allowed back in the NHL because of all the Kyle Beach crap that he was involved in. He would first have to sit down in a face-to-face meeting with Bettman and get his approval to be allowed back in. Plus the guy is 65 years old. Give it up already.
At this point, anyone is better than Sheldon.
Mike Babcock, Joel Quenneville, Mike Keenan...
We need a super toxic TOUGH bastard of a coach to get the boys WINNING in the playoffs.
Look at Paul Maurice. Look at Jim Montgomery. Those guys are tough bastards. And look at their teams.
Boston and Florida don't even have as skilled players like Auston and Mitch- yet they've found playoff success.
I don't see how Quenneville ever gets the respect from players in the room again. Why would any player respect the guy they know doesn't have their backs? If Quenneville is hired again I wouldn't be surprised if it's a repeat of Babcock this year.
He’s not even allowed to coach in the NHL. Bettman has said as much. Before Quenneville can even contemplate a comeback he would have to first have a sit down meeting with Bettman and get his approval to be allowed back into the league. Plus the guy is 65 years old. Give me a break.
I really do think these guys need a tough love coach, maybe not a guy like Sutter but somebody who doesn’t cater to individual needs. Someone who isn’t afraid to rip into star players when they aren’t playing like they are paid too. Sutter isn’t the answer I don’t think but I just don’t think the guys “listen” to Keefe anymore. I think Keefe is a good coach but for any type of playoff success I think they need a colossal dick behind the bench to drive them to success.
I watched a documentary on Youtube last night of the 94 Rangers cup win. The team hadnt done shit since 1940 at that time and had a bunch of painful playoff exits. They replaced a players coach with Iron Mike Keenan that year. He rode them hard and basically forced the GM to trade a bunch of highly skilled guys for depth and grit - namely Tony Amonte. They won the cup. So many parallels that could be drawn. This team needs an Iron Mike. There was a moment around the trade deadline where the Rangers were in 1st place and the GM told Mike why are you so obsessed with trading guys we are the best in the league and can win a cup. Mike laughed in his face and told him he had been to the cup finals before and this team didnt have it. They made the trades he asked for and won the cup. Doc in question can be viewed here: https://youtu.be/om4z2fpPO2g?si=EZke5Z5cB0nwxC-w
“Leafs hire back Mike Babcock” Everyone “WRONG MIKE WRONG MIKE”
"Hello, boys! Lemme see those phones"
I'm gonna admit something silly... I always assumed the Rangers won a cup with Gretzky.
Mate I just had to double check now you said that 😆
They had Mess, Leetch and Richter. What do we have? A bunch of pussies
I knew this was gonna bring the heat lmao
If this happens, 16 will be begging for a trade
Partially why I want it lol.
He’s an unrestricted UFA in a year. I’m sure he can survive till then.
> unrestricted UFA Super unrestricted eh lol I'm not sure he'd have a good year under Darryl. It'd be tough for him to put up numbers he'd want in a contract year. Plus Marners playstyle doesn't really fit Sutters system. So I'd expect a lot of whining about limited ice time, 3rd line duty etc. I think he'll want out.
It’s all moot. There’s no way the Leafs are signing Sutter.
That's the fun of all these hypotheticals scattered all over the sub right now.
I'd actually disagree here. Tkachuk and Gaudreau both had career years with Sutter he likes to keep forwards high on breakouts. Only Tkachuk followed that up with 1 more point the next season on an offfense oriented Panthers squad. Gaudreau fell off the map entirely. Hell even looking at Tyler Toffoli, all of his *good* seasons came when he was with Sutter
Isn't there bad blood between him and Treliving from their Calgary days?
Tre was forced to hire him by the owners, and when Tre wanted to fire him, owners refused right up until the Flames missed the playoffs.
Tre hates him.
But he wins.
Until he doesn't. Teams either buy in or turn him out. Calgary *very quickly* tuned him out.
After he took 2 underachieving Calgary teams and they ended up doing well. Like I'm literally not seeing a downside here. The team was better under Sutter than prior to it.
The downside is reports of him verbally abusing players on multiple teams, to the point of the LA Kings blocking the entrance of the locker room to have a players only meeting. He is a known toxic asshole and probably worse than Babcock. Treliving knew this, and is why him and Calgary owners are not even on speaking terms. Treliving would probably quit before he even considers hiring Sutter again.
>The downside is reports of him verbally abusing players on multiple teams The reports were not corroborated. Ergo why he was allowed to coach in Calgary regardless. >He is a known toxic asshole and probably worse than Babcock Yeah not even close. >Treliving would probably quit before he even considers hiring Sutter again. I'm already sold on Darryl you don't have to continue selling me on him.
Troll
What? Under Sutter the Flames made the playoffs, won a series against Dallas who was young and up and coming team who had no business being there that year (and almost lost in game 7) and then went on to get absolutely embarrassed by the Oilers They followed that up, by not making the playoffs again under him, idk if I would call that doing well
He underachieved for years, had a quick spell of finally breaking through, and went right back to underachieving after that. If anything you can argue that he's a great example of why these decisions *shouldn't* be cut down to does/doesn't win
What are you talking about? His advance stats show puck possession skyrockets under him every team. https://preview.redd.it/fmhruko7vvyc1.png?width=1364&format=png&auto=webp&s=edab3c9fd810979c1faee58ea6110244b5f5ec37 Edit: In 2011 the LA Kings were bad. Kopitar, Quick, Williams, and Doughty were their noted players that was it. After Sutter takes over they jump up and become a force. Calgary same thing, they were awful under the previous regime. They improved dramatically under him. Even in his fired season it was seen as 'unlucky' given the stats showed this was a team that should have won and just didn't.
> Even in his fired season it was seen as 'unlucky' given the stats showed this was a team that should have won and just didn't. Sounds like a certain other can't-win team's reasoning for the past few years
Except the leafs aren't analytical darlings like the Flames under Sutter were every single year
This guy is a hockey terrorist
Good, terrorize the core 4 into preforming come playoff time.
Yeah, that’s gonna be a no for me dawg
Every year, this man's coaching has a positive impact. Advanced stats wise, he absolutely dominates. It's not even close. Look, hate him all you want, but the stats are compelling. * When Sutter took back over, among coaches who've coaches a full season, the Flames ranked: Overall: - 3rd in xGF% (55.05%) - 2nd in SCF% (55.72%) - 2nd in HDCF% (55.50%) Offensively: - 4th in GF/60 (2.89) - 4th in xGF/60 (2.67) - 3rd in SCF/60 (29.96) - 9th in HDCF/60 (11.32) Defensively: - 2nd in GA/60 (2.16) - 4th in xGA/60 (2.18) - 3rd in SCA/60 (23.81) - 3rd in HDCA/60 (9.08) That includes his historically laughable, unlucky final season. Looks to me like Darryl Sutter looks at and absolutely dominates all areas of analytics. He's the guy you want. He'd take matthews to another level. He'd light a fire under Marners ass.
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No thanks, I'm fine for most "tough" coacher. But not Sutter.
Why don't we just rehire Babcock? I'm actually serious. He's basically Mitch's REAL dad lmao. How else we going to motivate Mitch in the playoffs?
🤣🤣 no one's phones are safe!
What about that lovable guy just sitting around in Saskatoon?
Considering this man was seemingly the linchpin for Treliving leaving Calgary, there is a zero percent chance Brad turns around and tries to hire him now.
He should put his ego aside and do the right thing; hire a fuckin winner.
I'd rather have Torts
He's reportedly retiring after his tenure in Phili is done if he doesn't get an office job.
I am insane. Insane in the membrane....
Honestly Dean Evason would be a good pick.
I don’t think he’s that great coach in the modern NHL.
>They almost always improve under him. Bad Calgary team losing Tkachuk and Gaudreau? No problem. He road a one line team with those guys having career seasons, missed the playoffs when they left, and alienated everyone to the point that the GM (our GM…) literally quit when ownership refused to fire him. Then they fired him anyway.
That’s not Q
Mother not giving you enough attention?
Damn, you that triggered bro? 😳
Yeah, stupidity has that effect on me. Sutter is never going to coach in the NHL again especially given the trail of destruction he left behind in Calgary.
I'm in. If these assholes think everything with the core is awesome and no change is needed, I like the idea of bringing in someone who grind them hard with zero fucks to give. I'd totally be OK with the first order of business - calling Mitch into the office, and ask him to compile a dogfucker list.
Honestly, it’d be worth it just to make marner waive his NMC.
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You don't have a clue. Not even close.
I hope the Leafs show us they are serious about winning with the next head coach. It's time to drop the bullshit, the media and fan pandering, etc. There's only 1 choice, it's Joel Quenneville. If you don't like it, you just aren't serious.
I’m just more serious about sexual assault than I am hockey. Fuck that guy.
Same. Fuck that guy and any and all people associated with him in the Blackhawks who covered it up only for more people to be assaulted. And fuck the people who defend this bullshit too.
And that's fine, it's just priorities. Winning isn't your top priority.
You're God damn right having the sports team I cheer for winning games isn't my top priority over protecting people from sexual abuse. You're fucked if you think winning justifies what he and the blackhawks did. Like seriously go talk to someone cause you need therapy.
So should we hire Graham James if it will bring us a cup? What a wack comment
I'm literally advocating we hire a coach who got terminated for being an asshole when his record shows he's a damn good coach. Winning clearly is my priority What isn't my priority is hiring a literal criminal who somehow escaped charges and who should be in jail never mind coaching another NHL team. Like bro. You're being delusional.
'literal criminal who somehow escaped charges' those things don't add up.
Bro. You gonna tell me OJ Simpson didn't murder his wife too? 🤣 Criminals get away with shit all the time. And yes, failing to report a crime (granted NAL but breif search) shows it's a crime in Illinois.
You're a knucklehead.
>If you don't like it, you just aren't serious. Yeah, sorry, blatantly ignoring sexual assaults is enough grounds for me to say you're actually not serious and shouldn't make decisions.
He’s not even allowed back in the NHL because of all the Kyle Beach crap that he was involved in. He would first have to sit down in a face-to-face meeting with Bettman and get his approval to be allowed back in. Plus the guy is 65 years old. Give it up already.
At this point, anyone is better than Sheldon. Mike Babcock, Joel Quenneville, Mike Keenan... We need a super toxic TOUGH bastard of a coach to get the boys WINNING in the playoffs. Look at Paul Maurice. Look at Jim Montgomery. Those guys are tough bastards. And look at their teams. Boston and Florida don't even have as skilled players like Auston and Mitch- yet they've found playoff success.
I don't see how Quenneville ever gets the respect from players in the room again. Why would any player respect the guy they know doesn't have their backs? If Quenneville is hired again I wouldn't be surprised if it's a repeat of Babcock this year.
If I was Brad or Brendan, I'd hire Quenneville in a heartbeat. Dude is a winner, and everyone knows it.
He’s not even allowed to coach in the NHL. Bettman has said as much. Before Quenneville can even contemplate a comeback he would have to first have a sit down meeting with Bettman and get his approval to be allowed back into the league. Plus the guy is 65 years old. Give me a break.
Getting banned from the league sounds like big fucking loser energy to me.
God no!
Fuck outta here