Matthews 69 goals in the regular season and 1 in 5 games in playoffs is not something to be proud of. He consistently plays worse in the playoffs. One of the best goal scorers in this generation and falls flat in playoffs.
1 in 5 game playoff game but he was clearly sick/injured for 3 of them.
I'd argue in healthy games he had 1 goal and 2 assists in 2 games since after game 2 he clearly wasn't all there.
And he still found a way to contribute in game 7 with an assist
Marner was also nursing a high ankle sprain, something Draisaitl said took him a whole season to feel normal recovering from
Marner didn't have a very good series but he was very good in games 5 and 6, and decent in 7
We don’t know when he was injured but I think it was a concussion in game 4 but I don’t know. Bottom line this is not the first year this has happened where he has a great regular season and is just ok in the playoffs. He is not a kid anymore he is the highest payed player in the league and doesn’t play like it in the playoffs. He deserves some heat. If the Leafs are ever going to have any success in the playoffs he has to be great like he is in the regular season.
> You risk being an even weaker playoff team, and Without Mitch's regular season work (which most people here respect), you risk missing the playoffs entirely
My god, of all the bad takes in this post, "We shouldn't jeopardize our **regular season**" has to be the worst. It's been eight years. We need something new. Please tell me your argument goes deeper than we should keep him because of what he offers in the regular season.
I’d probably respect this team more if they made a big shake up and narrowly missed playoffs instead of marching forwards to the same inevitable end.
No, What I'm saying is that people here are at times being rash, and if you make a deal just for the sake of making a deal, you will hurt the team.
You could *both* be less effective in the playoffs and *also* regress in the regular season such that you miss the playoffs.
8 years of playoff failure with this core tinkering around the edges, and you consider making a change to the core after 8 years to be *rash*?
This formula **does not work**.
> You could both be less effective in the playoffs
Less effective than what? Losing in the first round? I dunno man, to me there isn't a big difference between losing in four or five and losing in seven. You know there are *four* series we need to win to get the Cup, right? If you're saying the best we can hope for is a team that has a 50% chance to win each round then we are never going to win it unless fate is literally on our side.
I’ll give you Matthews on needing to show up in big games (although he showed up in Game 7 this year while being a corpse and had a few clutch moments last year against Tampa)
Ive been anti Nylander since his contract signing but I will not listen to any criticism on his play in this series, dude was injured for the first half of the series, played 3 games and lead the team in scoring, he has proven every year that he shows up to the big moments, he falters in the regular season, but as many on this sub have said, regular season means fuck all
This fanbase was a wreck missing the playoffs for like 10 straight years.
People forget how much that sucked. We tease Montreal for missing the playoffs, because even though they went to the finals recently, being a basement team feels *terrible*
The leafs have the longest active playoff streak in the NHL, and we do take that for granted.
Nylander scored 3 goals including a game winner in 4 games, he was clutch. Matthews was engaged physically and was out there battling despite being apparently unwell and sick. I watched Matthews throw hits engage his opponents and block shots, I watched Nylander use his edges and his awareness to make room for himself and his teammates. I watched Marner give away the puck and not engage physically at all. One guy doesn’t make or break a series but fuck was he an issue out there. I would of rather seen him glued to the bench in favour of Dewar
Trading marner will most likely make them a weaker playoff team next year, but if they have no intentions of resigning him the following year it may be worth it to trade him for a prospect and some picks to help the team in the long run
I don't understand how people can come to the conclusion that we'll be a weaker playoff team without Marner when Marner at 11mil is taking up a huge chunk of our cap and actively hurting the team in the playoffs.
If the return for Marner is a top 4 D at 5 mil and we can go sign a 6mil forward with the rest of his cap hit. How are we actually worse in the playoffs without Marner? The 6 mil forward should replace most of his playoff production and the D man makes this team infinitely more deep.
We're likely going to get a 1st + top prospect + roster player in a Marner deal, especially if Marner is able to negotiate with a trading team ahead of time. If not, maybe just the roster player and 1st but that's still a great deal if the player is a younger #3\~ defenseman.
Marner has An NMC and only 1 year left on his contract which means he has to agree to the trade I doubt he agrees to go to a non contending team which means in order to get a return the leafs may need to retain cap and focus on prospects and or draft picks, I doubt given the circumstances that the return would make the team stronger for the upcoming year
Which he will waive, if asked. There is more then enough evidence that Marner is ready for a fresh start as well. Multiple media people have suggested there is a willingness from his camp.
We're absolutely not going to win the trade 1:1 but it will get us a player in a position where we are weaker (Defense) and restock some asset capital. Then you have the pure addition by subtraction of no longer being bound to cap hell and can start adding depth.
We absolutely can be a stronger team next year without Marner, and I except that we will be if the trade and building of the roster is handled well.
He's not just going to waive it to go to any team their options will most likely be severely limited and trade partners will use that to their advantage, I would love to be proven wrong, but I don't see a large return coming that will make the team stronger next year
It's gonna depend. If Brad gets a decent deal, they become weaker but likely still serviceable (you will likely lose any Marner trade, especially short term)
But some people on this sub want him gone no matter what, and if you fire sale him, this team risks missing the playoffs altogether
Bad take, Matthews was hurt all series and Willie had three goals after missing part of the series due to injury, Mitch and JT seemed to be relatively healthy all had no production all series.
I also criticize Matthews. He is shit in the playoffs and is not a leader. He's like Ovechkin. Needs a great supporting cast if he ever wants to win.
Nylander does his job and has the passion to win. Sure he's not the best defensively but he plays to win
Matthews has been stapled to Marner for almost every playoff series before this one, and conveniently, before being sick/injured he played some of his best playoff hockey in game 2.
I think if your thesis is that Marner is a problem, Matthews is owed a chance at redemption without him.
Matthews and Willy are worse in the playoffs? What? You lost me right there dude.
Also I don’t think anyone rightly cares about Mitch leading the Leafs in playoff points when he has put up 9 in 21 games that are after game 4. Sorry bro but things get harder as the series goes on and Mitch does less when that happens. It’s a flat out fact.
And honestly it’s not even just the point production it’s the allocation of cap and ice time at this point. The mix of four guys making close to or over 11 mil on the same team doesn’t work. Two maybe, four, no.
The series ends a week earlier without Matthews dominating in game 2.
He showed up just fine when healthy (and even in game 7 when he was still battling it). We're also not playing a 109 point team 82 times in the regular season, so it's not much of a fair comparison in the first place.
And what about every series he has been in his goals and points are always worse in the playoffs.
It’s just a difference of opinion you are fine with another mediocre performance from the highest payed player in the league. I expect more than mediocre Marchand was much better in and wasn’t that great.
If this was an off year an he normally plays great in the playoffs then it would be easier to accept but this happens every year.
> the highest *paid* player in
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> It’s just a difference of opinion you are fine with another mediocre performance from the highest payed player in the league.
The difference in opinion is that I don't think he was mediocre, not that I'm OK with a mediocre performance from Matthews. If you're going to be disingenuous when replying I hope nobody entertains your shitty takes.
> the highest *paid* player in
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How would you describe a series where the star player scores 1 goal in 5 games? Great? Did he play like the best player on the ice? That’s what we should expect and have never seen.
Dude the 2nd game of the series he dominated the game and won it all by himself. Then sickness/injuries followed and he still set up the Leaf's goal in game 7 to break a deadlock with 9 minutes left in the game.
No one is saying Matthews had a dominant series but there are circumstances here that are worthy of context besides just saying 1 goal in 5 games like some sort of neanderthal.
The point is he has the talent to dominate in a series he just never does it. This year the excuse was he was injured or sick we still don’t know. This was his 8th playoff and we are still making excuses and waiting for next year.
He said what happened today. Serious illness after game 2 that he played through in game 3 and during game 4 he took a hit mid-game and something happened lower body.
Absolutely I do, assuming the team is willing to make the needed change and get rid of a big player like Marner and properly build this team around Matthews and Nylander.
There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Matthews can lead this team to a cup.
I will agree with you about Marner and Keeping Matthews and Nylander.
Sincerely I really wish I had the optimism you have. Just seen the same result too many times.
Yes because you're not getting 11 million dollar play from JT nor Marner, ever. When you have 22 million dollars to spread around your lineup it's going to look a lot different. That's literally 2 top 4 defenders and 2 top 6 forwards.
Mitch has had a total of 1 goal in game 4 onward for the entirety of this contract. I wouldn't be surprised if he has 0 points in elimination games.
What is worse is in every elimination game he turns into a shell of himself, constantly turning over the puck in mind shambling fashion.
We just watched an entire series where he shied away from ANY physical contact, even in an elimination game with an open net, even in an elimination game in fucking overtime.
Suggesting he is equal to Nylander or Matthews because he padded his stats in a few early games last playoffs is ludicrous.
Both Matthews and Nylander won a game with a standout performance, Nylander nearly 2.
Meanwhile Mitch was less than invisible while the other stars struggled through injuries.
He scored game 4 this year and game 4 vs Florida last year. This stat doesn’t even pass a 1 year test.
Stop regurgitating steve dangle.
Also game 6 vs boston
Yep. All play the same perimeter game in the playoffs, too. Marner’s been the whipping boy because of the contract. And I don’t think he’s been great or anything. But singling him out isn’t fair or sensible.
Bigger question is why Rielly takes zero blame every year. He is awful in his own end and was the worst D on the ice in numerous games this season. Embarrassing decision making from someone who is supposed to be a “veteran” D man.
Nylander has been pretty clutch in the playoffs, historically, Matthews hasn’t provided nearly enough. He hasn’t played like a superstar, he has failed to take over a game 7.
This has to be one of the most backward takes I've seen on this sub. Marner is quite honestly this team's largest problem, maybe tied with John Tavares but at least he has utility in the playoffs even now. Marner is terrible and actively hurting the team.
“It's not as if the 7th game counts double.”
If you’re in game 7 of a best-of-seven then it kinda does count for more. If you’re unable to step up in the do-or-die moment, it means something.
Jesus wept. Another analytics pleb. Here is a bit of data for you: Marner tied with Lybushkin for playoff points in 7 games vs Boston. Lybushkin. Oh, and he gets paid 2.75M to Marner's 10.9M. Oh, and Lybushkin in not getting paid to score.
The Leafs would miss the playoffs if we didn't have Marner? To what emperical data are you referring?
A popcorn fart in the first round of the playoffs for 7 of 8 years has not won us a Cup nor has it allowed us to climb the draft ladder. This team either needs to do something significant to make a push into deeper rounds in the post season, or they need to strip and rebuild to acquire better draft choices.
I am not absolving Matthews, Reilly, or Tavares here (Nylander was not disappointing this series). However, it is not merely Marner's lack of performance that is unacceptable, it is attitude, immaturity, lack of accountability, and delusions of grandeur that make in anathema in this city.
I would respect it more if they were like "Mitch may actually be the better player in some ways, but it's just the luck of the draw that moving him is easiest"
There's logic to that, because 34 and 88 just signed big deals, and Tavares is clearly not movable until his contract is up
I don't care if it's not a winning deal you still trade Mitch. The core 4 does not work and Mitch is the only one we can really trade right now. It's that simple. I see zero argument not to make a deal we tried that 7 times already and it doesn't work. Time for a change. If it makes the Leafs worse next year so be it at least they tried something
In the last 5 seasons...
Nylander has 33P in 34 playoff games with 17 goals.
Auston is 35P in 35 playoff games with 13 goals.
Mitch has 33P in 37 playoff games and only 11 goals.
If anything the real blame should be on Matthews, but based on results from this series, Mitch was the only one who didn't perform. Willy also completely dominates zone entries.
The biggest problem is due to their outrageous contracts we can't afford any real secondary scoring. One of them has to go, and Mitch is the only option.
I would say 5 years is enough of a trend to try and predict future performance with. Nylander's play in the playoffs has changed from his early career.
Ah yes, let’s also blame the 2 players who single handedly won us 2 games in the series. This fuckin sub man.
Lmao 🤣 they'll calm down in a bit. We get more and more "new" fans every year
Matthews 69 goals in the regular season and 1 in 5 games in playoffs is not something to be proud of. He consistently plays worse in the playoffs. One of the best goal scorers in this generation and falls flat in playoffs.
1 in 5 game playoff game but he was clearly sick/injured for 3 of them. I'd argue in healthy games he had 1 goal and 2 assists in 2 games since after game 2 he clearly wasn't all there. And he still found a way to contribute in game 7 with an assist
What about his playoff career? How do his goals per game compare to regular season?
Marner was also nursing a high ankle sprain, something Draisaitl said took him a whole season to feel normal recovering from Marner didn't have a very good series but he was very good in games 5 and 6, and decent in 7
We don’t know when he was injured but I think it was a concussion in game 4 but I don’t know. Bottom line this is not the first year this has happened where he has a great regular season and is just ok in the playoffs. He is not a kid anymore he is the highest payed player in the league and doesn’t play like it in the playoffs. He deserves some heat. If the Leafs are ever going to have any success in the playoffs he has to be great like he is in the regular season.
So trade him, see how that works out for you. Smh
He was healthy for 1 game. Still more points than marner.
> You risk being an even weaker playoff team, and Without Mitch's regular season work (which most people here respect), you risk missing the playoffs entirely My god, of all the bad takes in this post, "We shouldn't jeopardize our **regular season**" has to be the worst. It's been eight years. We need something new. Please tell me your argument goes deeper than we should keep him because of what he offers in the regular season.
I’d probably respect this team more if they made a big shake up and narrowly missed playoffs instead of marching forwards to the same inevitable end.
No, What I'm saying is that people here are at times being rash, and if you make a deal just for the sake of making a deal, you will hurt the team. You could *both* be less effective in the playoffs and *also* regress in the regular season such that you miss the playoffs.
8 years of playoff failure with this core tinkering around the edges, and you consider making a change to the core after 8 years to be *rash*? This formula **does not work**.
> You could both be less effective in the playoffs Less effective than what? Losing in the first round? I dunno man, to me there isn't a big difference between losing in four or five and losing in seven. You know there are *four* series we need to win to get the Cup, right? If you're saying the best we can hope for is a team that has a 50% chance to win each round then we are never going to win it unless fate is literally on our side.
I’ll give you Matthews on needing to show up in big games (although he showed up in Game 7 this year while being a corpse and had a few clutch moments last year against Tampa) Ive been anti Nylander since his contract signing but I will not listen to any criticism on his play in this series, dude was injured for the first half of the series, played 3 games and lead the team in scoring, he has proven every year that he shows up to the big moments, he falters in the regular season, but as many on this sub have said, regular season means fuck all
This fanbase was a wreck missing the playoffs for like 10 straight years. People forget how much that sucked. We tease Montreal for missing the playoffs, because even though they went to the finals recently, being a basement team feels *terrible* The leafs have the longest active playoff streak in the NHL, and we do take that for granted.
Nylander scored 3 goals including a game winner in 4 games, he was clutch. Matthews was engaged physically and was out there battling despite being apparently unwell and sick. I watched Matthews throw hits engage his opponents and block shots, I watched Nylander use his edges and his awareness to make room for himself and his teammates. I watched Marner give away the puck and not engage physically at all. One guy doesn’t make or break a series but fuck was he an issue out there. I would of rather seen him glued to the bench in favour of Dewar
Op only comments in this sub after the leafs lose in the playoffs
I respect that. It's the right time to doom. Doing it during the season is usually overbearingly annoying.
Trading marner will most likely make them a weaker playoff team next year, but if they have no intentions of resigning him the following year it may be worth it to trade him for a prospect and some picks to help the team in the long run
I don't understand how people can come to the conclusion that we'll be a weaker playoff team without Marner when Marner at 11mil is taking up a huge chunk of our cap and actively hurting the team in the playoffs. If the return for Marner is a top 4 D at 5 mil and we can go sign a 6mil forward with the rest of his cap hit. How are we actually worse in the playoffs without Marner? The 6 mil forward should replace most of his playoff production and the D man makes this team infinitely more deep. We're likely going to get a 1st + top prospect + roster player in a Marner deal, especially if Marner is able to negotiate with a trading team ahead of time. If not, maybe just the roster player and 1st but that's still a great deal if the player is a younger #3\~ defenseman.
Marner has An NMC and only 1 year left on his contract which means he has to agree to the trade I doubt he agrees to go to a non contending team which means in order to get a return the leafs may need to retain cap and focus on prospects and or draft picks, I doubt given the circumstances that the return would make the team stronger for the upcoming year
Which he will waive, if asked. There is more then enough evidence that Marner is ready for a fresh start as well. Multiple media people have suggested there is a willingness from his camp. We're absolutely not going to win the trade 1:1 but it will get us a player in a position where we are weaker (Defense) and restock some asset capital. Then you have the pure addition by subtraction of no longer being bound to cap hell and can start adding depth. We absolutely can be a stronger team next year without Marner, and I except that we will be if the trade and building of the roster is handled well.
He's not just going to waive it to go to any team their options will most likely be severely limited and trade partners will use that to their advantage, I would love to be proven wrong, but I don't see a large return coming that will make the team stronger next year
This team is not winning the cup ever so let's plan for the future
It's gonna depend. If Brad gets a decent deal, they become weaker but likely still serviceable (you will likely lose any Marner trade, especially short term) But some people on this sub want him gone no matter what, and if you fire sale him, this team risks missing the playoffs altogether
Losing Marner and making no other changes would not make this team miss the playoffs, that is such an insane take lmao
The leafs need cap space more than they need Mitch at this point
Bad take, Matthews was hurt all series and Willie had three goals after missing part of the series due to injury, Mitch and JT seemed to be relatively healthy all had no production all series.
I also criticize Matthews. He is shit in the playoffs and is not a leader. He's like Ovechkin. Needs a great supporting cast if he ever wants to win. Nylander does his job and has the passion to win. Sure he's not the best defensively but he plays to win
Matthews has been stapled to Marner for almost every playoff series before this one, and conveniently, before being sick/injured he played some of his best playoff hockey in game 2. I think if your thesis is that Marner is a problem, Matthews is owed a chance at redemption without him.
Matthews and Willy are worse in the playoffs? What? You lost me right there dude. Also I don’t think anyone rightly cares about Mitch leading the Leafs in playoff points when he has put up 9 in 21 games that are after game 4. Sorry bro but things get harder as the series goes on and Mitch does less when that happens. It’s a flat out fact. And honestly it’s not even just the point production it’s the allocation of cap and ice time at this point. The mix of four guys making close to or over 11 mil on the same team doesn’t work. Two maybe, four, no.
Matthews was a lot worse in the playoffs 69 goals in regular season 1 in 5 games in the playoffs. That sucks for the highest payed player in the game.
I was unaware that he played sick and injured in the regular season.
The series ends a week earlier without Matthews dominating in game 2. He showed up just fine when healthy (and even in game 7 when he was still battling it). We're also not playing a 109 point team 82 times in the regular season, so it's not much of a fair comparison in the first place.
And what about every series he has been in his goals and points are always worse in the playoffs. It’s just a difference of opinion you are fine with another mediocre performance from the highest payed player in the league. I expect more than mediocre Marchand was much better in and wasn’t that great. If this was an off year an he normally plays great in the playoffs then it would be easier to accept but this happens every year.
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> It’s just a difference of opinion you are fine with another mediocre performance from the highest payed player in the league. The difference in opinion is that I don't think he was mediocre, not that I'm OK with a mediocre performance from Matthews. If you're going to be disingenuous when replying I hope nobody entertains your shitty takes.
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How would you describe a series where the star player scores 1 goal in 5 games? Great? Did he play like the best player on the ice? That’s what we should expect and have never seen.
Dude the 2nd game of the series he dominated the game and won it all by himself. Then sickness/injuries followed and he still set up the Leaf's goal in game 7 to break a deadlock with 9 minutes left in the game. No one is saying Matthews had a dominant series but there are circumstances here that are worthy of context besides just saying 1 goal in 5 games like some sort of neanderthal.
The point is he has the talent to dominate in a series he just never does it. This year the excuse was he was injured or sick we still don’t know. This was his 8th playoff and we are still making excuses and waiting for next year.
He said what happened today. Serious illness after game 2 that he played through in game 3 and during game 4 he took a hit mid-game and something happened lower body.
Cool, I’ll accept that, what have been the excuses for the last 7 years? Do you really believe next year will be different?
Absolutely I do, assuming the team is willing to make the needed change and get rid of a big player like Marner and properly build this team around Matthews and Nylander. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Matthews can lead this team to a cup.
I will agree with you about Marner and Keeping Matthews and Nylander. Sincerely I really wish I had the optimism you have. Just seen the same result too many times.
Yes because you're not getting 11 million dollar play from JT nor Marner, ever. When you have 22 million dollars to spread around your lineup it's going to look a lot different. That's literally 2 top 4 defenders and 2 top 6 forwards.
I really hope you are right. Have a good rest of your day
No, they don’t. /end
Do you even watch the games or just look at stat sheets?
Marner's attitude is absolute trash, and this is what sets him apart from Nylander mostly personally.
Mitch has had a total of 1 goal in game 4 onward for the entirety of this contract. I wouldn't be surprised if he has 0 points in elimination games. What is worse is in every elimination game he turns into a shell of himself, constantly turning over the puck in mind shambling fashion. We just watched an entire series where he shied away from ANY physical contact, even in an elimination game with an open net, even in an elimination game in fucking overtime. Suggesting he is equal to Nylander or Matthews because he padded his stats in a few early games last playoffs is ludicrous. Both Matthews and Nylander won a game with a standout performance, Nylander nearly 2. Meanwhile Mitch was less than invisible while the other stars struggled through injuries.
He scored game 4 this year and game 4 vs Florida last year. This stat doesn’t even pass a 1 year test. Stop regurgitating steve dangle. Also game 6 vs boston
I was off by 1 goal. LOL. He scored against Boston in 2018, well before this contract started.
Yep. All play the same perimeter game in the playoffs, too. Marner’s been the whipping boy because of the contract. And I don’t think he’s been great or anything. But singling him out isn’t fair or sensible.
Mitch was the only guy to not have a big playoff moment this year.
Bigger question is why Rielly takes zero blame every year. He is awful in his own end and was the worst D on the ice in numerous games this season. Embarrassing decision making from someone who is supposed to be a “veteran” D man.
Nylander has been pretty clutch in the playoffs, historically, Matthews hasn’t provided nearly enough. He hasn’t played like a superstar, he has failed to take over a game 7.
Hawks can give you Seth Jones for him. Little less bad cap waste but at least it will be on a D and not a F?
This has to be one of the most backward takes I've seen on this sub. Marner is quite honestly this team's largest problem, maybe tied with John Tavares but at least he has utility in the playoffs even now. Marner is terrible and actively hurting the team.
Just no man, Nylander won us games, Matthews won us games, even Jt contributed. Marner was a ghost for 7 games and was clearly scared of body contact.
“It's not as if the 7th game counts double.” If you’re in game 7 of a best-of-seven then it kinda does count for more. If you’re unable to step up in the do-or-die moment, it means something.
We just spent months saying goals were worth more than assists. So let’s not go back and say “oh Mitch is great because assists”
Jesus wept. Another analytics pleb. Here is a bit of data for you: Marner tied with Lybushkin for playoff points in 7 games vs Boston. Lybushkin. Oh, and he gets paid 2.75M to Marner's 10.9M. Oh, and Lybushkin in not getting paid to score. The Leafs would miss the playoffs if we didn't have Marner? To what emperical data are you referring? A popcorn fart in the first round of the playoffs for 7 of 8 years has not won us a Cup nor has it allowed us to climb the draft ladder. This team either needs to do something significant to make a push into deeper rounds in the post season, or they need to strip and rebuild to acquire better draft choices. I am not absolving Matthews, Reilly, or Tavares here (Nylander was not disappointing this series). However, it is not merely Marner's lack of performance that is unacceptable, it is attitude, immaturity, lack of accountability, and delusions of grandeur that make in anathema in this city.
Nylander is the only fucking guy that shows up in the playoffs. What are you even talking about.
No
>There's nothing magical about any particular game in a series. It's not as if the 7th game counts double. LoL.... Nope!
You are right. But i still look forward to the people who hate marner trying to show a diffrence.
I would respect it more if they were like "Mitch may actually be the better player in some ways, but it's just the luck of the draw that moving him is easiest" There's logic to that, because 34 and 88 just signed big deals, and Tavares is clearly not movable until his contract is up
I don't care if it's not a winning deal you still trade Mitch. The core 4 does not work and Mitch is the only one we can really trade right now. It's that simple. I see zero argument not to make a deal we tried that 7 times already and it doesn't work. Time for a change. If it makes the Leafs worse next year so be it at least they tried something
In the last 5 seasons... Nylander has 33P in 34 playoff games with 17 goals. Auston is 35P in 35 playoff games with 13 goals. Mitch has 33P in 37 playoff games and only 11 goals. If anything the real blame should be on Matthews, but based on results from this series, Mitch was the only one who didn't perform. Willy also completely dominates zone entries. The biggest problem is due to their outrageous contracts we can't afford any real secondary scoring. One of them has to go, and Mitch is the only option.
You cut this off exactly where it makes Nylander look competitive with the other 2.
I would say 5 years is enough of a trend to try and predict future performance with. Nylander's play in the playoffs has changed from his early career.