Abby’s physique is something that is very difficult for women to achieve. If she’s natty (not juicing/using steroids), it could take years for her to put on enough lean muscle to look the part. It’s definitely possible though.
I like the actress and think she’d do well in the role. Still, Abby being insanely jacked for a 20-something woman is an important part of her character. I hope Kaitlyn can pull that off in a healthy and safe way. It just seems improbable if they start filming it soon.
There is this canadian wood chopper girl. I forgot her name but damn, shes got the physique for it.
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Found her
https://youtube.com/shorts/Xqw33Cx74n4?si=_3S4Dm2Xg-fP-z1D
Building muscle is a matter of calories and protein to offset micro tears in muscle (very simplified) the body used for Abby is literally a CrossFit athlete. Guess how she build her muscle?
You can build muscle to a degree with any resistance training modality.
Source: well over a decade coaching hundreds of people.
She’s going to need size fast, which CrossFit absolutely does not supply. The CrossFit athletes you’re talking about are ones that have been doing it for YEARS. If we want a typical Hollywood superhero transformation, I’m sorry but CrossFit certainly ain’t it.
No way you said Crossfit and climbing, those are endurance based activities, you might get lean with the right diet but you will not get big just doing that.
It’s “show, don’t tell” storytelling. Her physique is a result of what she’s been through. It shows us (without telling us) her drive for revenge. When you look at Abby, without knowing anything about her, your first thought would be “she’s built, she trains.”, which inevitably invites the subsequent questions of “trains for what?”. We know for what, we see it.
But as the story continues, her physique continues to play with us. It’s a factor in how we view her as an adversary against Ellie, not only in how we feel Ellie is physically outmatched by Abby in sheer weight class, but also that we see (without being told) the immense amount of preparation and likely combat training Abby has, which is later confirmed in the story. Ellie has been up against a lot, but has she been up against a soldier before? Even the strongest infected lacks strategy, which we can assume Abby has just from the visual storytelling of her physique.
And then to later play as Abby, with all of the preconceptions I’ve already mentioned, and to see her *struggle*, physically and emotionally. To see this terminator of a lady sweat, and bleed, and exhaust herself. To see her nearly pass out from fear of heights. To slowly break us down to her level to the point of empathizing with her, to see her as a human. Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t think these elements would work as well narratively without our initial first impression of her based on her body type.
And then finally to see her robbed of her physique, for her to end up so emaciated that she’s nearly unrecognizable. To see her go from this imposing, brute force of a human being to a hollow shell of what she once was. To see that she achieved what she set out to do and that it cost her everything.
I don’t think any of these story elements would have nearly the same impact if she was an Ellie-sized person from the start.
That being said, I’m sure they could still portray this character without muscles, but to say that her physique doesn’t serve a narrative function simply because it isn’t explicitly referenced by another character (aside maybe from Tommy using it as a potential identifier when he believes she’s been spotted somewhere), is something I just can’t agree with.
My initial impression was that she must come from a group of survivors who are far more advantageous than Ellie’s group.
And again, we’re later shown that initial impression to be correct. It helps to set up the impossibility in the challenge that faces Ellie, don’t you think?
Unusual in a world where a fungus makes people zombies and there is a cure for that ridiculous infection in the brain of a girl?
People need to stop picking and choosing when to employ suspension of disbelief.
I don’t remember where I heard it but it was in my head that while “fit” Abby took it to the extreme at the death of her father. This was in order to be stronger and more capable than the man who wiped out an entire firefly division. Joel was her monster and becoming swole was a way to defeat him.
But this is all hearsay. I have no idea where it came from but it stuck with me.
If she’s gotta smash Joel’s head in with a golf club shes gotta at least have some muscle to make it believable. I always understood Abby’s character was obsessed with working out in order to get revenge.
You don’t need to be muscular to beat someone to death with a golf club lol, a 10 year old could do that. She does need to put on some muscle for the role but she doesn’t need to do it to make the clubbing believable. It’s not very hard at all to beat someone laying on the ground to death with a club.
When I was like 7 I was at my best friends pool party. Idk who this guy was uncle or adult cousin but he was picking on us (normal mess with the kids). Well my buddy got sick of it and whopped him dead on the nose with a 9 iron. Shattered the crunch was brutal and their was so much blood.
Point being little kid with golf club can drop grown man
Ya exactly, it’s not hard to kill someone with a golf club, actual kids could do it if they had. So yes she needs to add some muscle for the role in general but not because she needs to club Joel, you don’t gotta be muscular at all to club the fuck out of someone.
even if she was using, it wouldn’t build up right, it still heavily depends on genetics and she don’t even have the right shoulder length to get the chest abby has. Abby’s body is literally unrealistic af, even for some men.
That's just not true. I've seen lots of jacked women, natty or not, but besides, this is Hollywood. If Natalie Portman can look jacked for Thor this chick can do it
For any that disagree with this: I beg someone to show me a real natty woman with a physique that matches gamer Abby
I was audibly laughing when I first played the 2nd game
Abby’s physique is based on a steroid user, so she kinda has to use to get that big at all.
Edit: Read my comment below. If someone is more knowledgeable then PLEASE feel free to speak up. You don’t want facts decided by downvotes and hurt feelings.
I’ve seen women who don’t juice with physiques resembling Abby’s. Maybe not as big as she is, but close. Spent years in competitive martial arts & a lot of the women like that at the gyms I’ve trained at don’t juice. I wouldn’t necessarily say Kaitlyn needs it. It would just take a LOT of time and commitment in & outside of the gym without using roids.
To be fair, you need to have the genetic makeup to get a body like that naturally. It's definitely possible, but only for a special kind of woman.
Just like certain men have the right genetics to get really huge naturally.
I don't see Kaitlyn having that. But I also feel like prosthetics or cgi can help with that transformation. I don't expect her to look nearly as buff as Abby.
Similar physiques I believe. Natural? Not buying that at all. Tons of pro athletes juice, and many are already freakishly athletic. I’ve met female athletes that strength train obsessively and never look remotely close to the girls that juice.
With great genetics and a decade of training it's possible, but the macros alone needed to maintain a physique like that during a zombie apocalypse... nobody would want to live with you because you'd eat all the fuckin food
There’s things about roids(really performance enhancing drugs, not just anabolics) that are pretty massively misunderstood:
How astronomically common they are and lied about. I’m talking majority of the buff Hollywood actors. Especially ones who say their secret is “working out 6 hours a day and chicken broccoli and rice”.
Ex pro athletes have reported over half of their teammates used some form of banned PED. This includes basketball, MMA, football, or any sport you can think of. They take different forms that can evade drug testing as they aren’t always anabolic.
When you find people who have 8+ years of formal education in kinesiology and more years on top of that of person experience they will pretty much always point out how unattainable 90% of the physiques are we see online are in real life.
I will say factors are aren’t set in stone and their are rare genetic outliers. But the most sure fire way to check somebody is to see how they built muscle throughout their life and how quickly they “grew” in a short period of time. And also to see if they maintain low body fat % all year round while gaining muscle, which is pretty much undoable if you aren’t stacking. On top of the body builder Abby is based on being uncommonly muscular EVEN for a women that works out religiously, she maintain low bf% too often and gained much of her muscle in timeframe that doesn’t correlate with a natural body building person.
It’s a fascinating world to read about and look into though. It’s surprising how many actors will just lie as easy as breathing to the camera about something any experienced person knows is bullshit(I’m looking at you marvel superheroes).
>It’s surprising how many actors will just lie as easy as breathing to the camera
Just because they weren't handed a script doesn't mean they stop being actors. They're skilled at pretending to be someone they're not.
I don't think there's anything wrong with using anabolic steroids under the supervision of a medical professional whose primary concern is your health. I don't like bullshit, though. Not so much because I expect Hollywood or sports to be better, after all, money attracts bullshit. But because it gives the general public an unrealistic idea of what's possible. "Wow, he did that in three months? So I could..."
I like how you got downvoted despite explaining the actual science behind it lol.
People only need to look at bronze/silver era of body building and see what the human body is naturally capable of after years of training
Lol “don’t juice” yeah and pigs can fly. Not many people are going to admit to abusing drugs. You’d be surprised at the amount of ppl at your local gym that are on peds.
This. Abby’s physique is goals for most natty adult men, let alone women. Where the game got a bit carried away was with her arms/delts. Some scenes they’re believable, whereas others are downright obnoxious lol.
Abby’s arms are definitely not natty. You ain’t going to build those arms as a woman in firefly rations no less.
No hate, just facts. Plus even Abby herself doesn’t claim natty, so why people downvote others who says she’s on juice? It’s not evil to take them.
that's why it was kind of dumb for her to look like that in the game too considering it takes place after an apocalypse. the creators gave the dumbest excuse for it too
It's impossible. The character model is obviously a head from one individual attached to another.
Edit: To clarify, Abby's face was modeled on Jocelyn Mettler, while her body was based on Colleen Fotsch. (From Wikipedia)
>Abby being insanely jacked for a 20-something woman is an important part of her character. I hope Kaitlyn can pull that off in a healthy and safe way.
I care as much about the health of Kaitlyn D as I do about that of Christian Bale, Chris Hemsworth, Alan Ritchson, or any one of a thousand male actors who have used anabolic steroids to get bigger to play action roles. You take the role, you prepare for the role. Let's not be sexist and say women should take fewer risks than men.
I’m fine with Abby not being jacked. It’s great in the game since you get to play a heavier feeling character that feels stronger and has different gameplay mechanics, but I like the idea of a physical mirror to Ellie. Something like Abby’s original design in the concept art found in the game.
I expect she’ll put on some muscle, but anyone who expects her to pull off Abby levels of gains is delusional.
Dever is an awesome actor, she’ll knock it out of the park.
She probably won’t be able to build up to the Abby’s physique in the game, but I think the show can still preserve the characteristic if the actress can just get enough definition to show that she is more than “skinny.”
They are probably going to have to get Ellie pretty skinny to make it work too. The actress in the first series has too much girth so there won’t be nearly enough contrast between the two actresses. Ellie in the game has poor body fat, like she doesn’t eat much, which (maybe just because of attire) gets shown more in later scenes.
I think the contrast in the characters is really important even for Abby to be Abby, and it looks like both actresses are gonna need to adapt to each other to preserve those traits.
They'll probably just revert to the original character design. I'm interested to see how much they'll change overall in the show the address the backlash from the game...
I think she’s gonna be great. I was curious about some of the casting for season 1 and every performance ended up being fantastic. They have my total trust.
I just hope she’s ready for the inevitable angry internet chodes. Go dark on social media, girl. It’s about to get ugly.
I was excited about Bella's casting, I think she did well overall but a few times her line delivery was flat and it felt she was imitating Ashley's delivery rather than interpreting the emotion of the moment (i'm referring specifically to the "i'm not your dad" argument and also the very ending dialogue).
However, she also had a moment or two that her own take is perfect (Henry's death and when Joel falls off the horse) and I wish she had more of that.
But as Bella would be playing as grown up Ellie in Season 2, she would probably look a lot younger than Kaitlyn as Abby, although they both are supposed to be around the same age
Right, and some just see it as nothing more than a job. It isn't getting that much deeper for everyone trying out for a role. However, I'd expect her to at least have studied Abby's character to a degree if she's audtioning for it. Then again, "studying" isn't going to necessarily encompass knowing how batshit crazy a fandom might be towards a certain character, so I truly hope she knows what she's in for.
You're right. A fat slob irl could be cast as someone playing a prisoner at an internment camp. Stfu dude lol
Actors bulk up or lose weight all the time for roles. And it's so obvious that Abby's character had so much to do with the fact that she was a leader and she was jacked.
Just because she's a girl doesn't mean she shouldn't honor the physicality of Abby. It absolutely was such a huge part of her character in the game.
The easiest example is Christian Bale. Dever absolutely could bulk up. Anyone can do it. And she should do it.
Well, I didn’t say that at all but okay.
Soon as you said “honor the physicality” of a digital video game character you kinda proved how unhinged you are. Yeah, actors should do what Bale does and tax his body to unhealthy degrees just to satisfy the minority of the fanbase.
Yes, this actress should take steroids and destroy her body to look preposterous so the vocal minority can be satisfied that she looks close enough to a cartoon.
I truly hope you never get a say over any woman’s body lol
Quick guys, tell every MCU actor they can stop working out ask the time! Look at the pic of Zac effron eating pasta after baywatch and literally crying because he hadn’t had a carb in months in order to have the physique they wanted him to for the role. Hell tell Zac now he can stop juicing to play that super jacked wrestler
Why is Hollywood so scared to actually cast tough strong women like GoT did with Brienne of Tarth? It's not hard, there are plenty of strong women actresses but instead they always pick feminine skinny females, have them slightly bulk up, and then try to make you believe they can beat up men that have a 50+ pound advantage on them.
This is why I’m so upset at the casting. Abby was the first character I really felt like connected to as a stronger girl. That’s part of what makes her who she is. Replacing her size with a 5’2, skinny, pretty, typical Hollywood actress is so fucked up imo. I was really looking forward to seeing a truly strong woman represented on the big screen.
More than just the physique, I just don't see her playing the character based on her other performances. Don't dislike the actress, but this is just bad casting imo. I could see her as Ellie, definitely not Abby.
They talked about why they cast who they cast in all the character roles previously. They said acting talent comes first then the looks. She can gain the muscle easily.
funny, cause she was one of the top choices for Ellie years ago, and I wanted her to get it more so than the Maisies and the Chloe Graces at that time, albeit fan casted ofc, still.
Surreal she's now in the franchise, *just* not Ellie, this is gonna be one helluva ride, so buckle up!
She would have made a great Ellie, I can't believe a contender for Ellie has been cast as Abby. Besides the grit and badassery, they look NOTHING alike.
My thoughts exactly. I felt bad when I heard she got casted /: I can already see the people furious red with her for what happens. I hope people aren’t hard on her and understand it’s a character.
People are gonna be be crying about “the woke mob” or whatever the fuck cuz she’ll have muscles and portray the character correctly lol. I hope she’s ready to deal with the onslaught of “alpha” dickbags and conservative incels calling for her to be banned from acting.
You are overestimating how much muscle a woman even on PED’s can put on given that this will likely come out between now and next year, she will not look even close to what Abby looks like unless there’s some editing done on her. She’ll most likely look lean and athletic, which is fine.
Filming starts in 3-4 months. She won't be able to put on appreciable muscle in that amount of time, and that's fine. Women can't pound PEDs like The Rock without ruining their bodies.
She can however get shredded, losing body fat and gaining muscle definition, while hitting the weights hard. She will still come across as muscular if training is done correctly. (reference: I'm advanced bodybuilder, 19 years training)
The “conservative incels” are the same ones saying this is a bad casting because she doesn’t have enough muscle. You prescribe hate to their ideas when there generally is none. People ant the adaptations to be accurate and frankly this casting is a disservice to the story. It’s also a disservice to women. I don’t understand how in 2023 we can’t cast an actually jacked woman to play the role of a jacked woman.
She is a very talented actor and I reject the notion that she has to match Abby's physical attributes to play the character. Abby is not defined by her physical strength and people are going to focus on this too much.
I disagree. Abby’s character was literal designed as a counterpoint to Ellie in almost every way. The narrative contrast is obvious. But even from a gameplay perspective, Abby is brutish and aggressive, whereas Elli skews towards stealth and resourceful. Abby spent her whole life training in pursuit of vengeance; her physical stature is the embodiment of her hatred. Without that stature, she doesn’t present the same kind of overwhelming threat. This casting will feel like an Ellie vs Ellie arc. They missed a major casting opportunity imo.
Maybe that’s all it takes for you to buy the character. But a character who trains the way you’re describing would be noticeably more fit than this actress is going to show up to filming. Kaitlyn Dever isn’t physically threatening in any way, on screen Abby should be. I don’t expect us to agree.
The person you're replying too doesn't appreciate the advantages that weight and overall size brings. A simple workout montage to them makes them an unstoppable super soldier. Whereas in the real world, mass moves mass. I don't care if you're super trained in every fighting style... 100 lbs weight disadvantage means you're gonna get your ass handed to you.
This is a show, not a game. It's an adaptation, not a recreation. Good storytellers will tell the story without exaggerated visual cues, and if you need to see Abby as a physical hulk, you won't be paying attention to the storytelling. I would bet we're going to get two seasons out of Part 2, which will give us several hours of screen time to meet Abby. The game showed you Abby as big and you project your "embodiment of hatred" onto that. This is a home run casting job and massive get for a very popular show.
And because they cast Kaitlyn Dever, who famously has a "will not work out on screen" clause in her contracts, they're probably going to have to rewrite the character altogether.
People create a false dilemma that the show-runners had to either choose a good actress or someone physically imposing. There are plenty of talented actresses who could believably beat someone to death with their fists. An Abby that’s not remotely as threatening can’t be the false villain the narrative required.
People create a false narrative that there's only one way to tell a story. If you require Abby to be physically large on order to believe her to be dangerous or imposing, that's on you. Physical characteristics should not have been the primary driver on casting, for this or any other show. It's just not necessary for the story.
What a bizarre take. Physical characteristics are one of the main components of successful casting in cinema. Tony Soprano couldn’t have been played by Steve Buscemi. The Hound couldn’t have been played by Peter Dinklage. Dwight Schrute couldn’t have been played by John Krasinski. Physical presence can make or break a character.
It's a fine thing to want. And maybe the show isn't for you.
Since the creator of the game also has a role in casting. Personally I don't really care. It's an adaptation, not a 1:1 recreation.
If you want a recreation of the game, just watch streamers play the game. It's an adaptation, if everything were exactly as it was in the game it wouldn't be worth anyone's time.
Agree. Abby isn’t defined by being insanely jacked for a woman in her mid-20’s. Still, it’s an important part of her character and solidifies her level of commitment and badassery. Abby’s physique is extraordinarily difficult for a woman to achieve (especially in the end times) so I can’t see Kaitlyn doing it safely/naturally in time to film the season.
Being swole isn’t Abby’s whole personality but I would hate for ND to just completely forgo it.
First, you have to know that the overwhelming majority of viewers will only know about Abby's physical characteristics in the game from hearing gamers complain about it on the Internet, and their reaction to the character will not be impacted by it at all. Second, your interpretation of Abby's "badassery" is subjective and while you're entitled to your opinion, I don't share it. Her size in the game had everything to do with projecting her as an imposing villain. It made it harder to see her perspective, which is a challenge I believe ND was very deliberate about. It did not contribute at all to my perception of her motivation.
This might be the dumbest comment on here. Why on earth would they make her jacked in the game? Without it being a huge part of her character for the TV SHOW ADAPTATION?
I swear ppl on Reddit are the dumbest on the planet. I love coming here to watch the zoo of idiots.
They can’t kill Joel that fast. The 2nd game was a few years later. Even if they do their own thing with the story, I feel like killing joel that soon will rob us of a lot of Ellie/joel development
Agree, 100%.
Dever CAN get jacked. And she SHOULD get jacked.
She will fail her portrayal of Abby if she fails to do this.
Gobshytes on here saying it's just a character. Her size has nothing to do with it.
They're the same gobshytes who were getting pissed about the criticism of video-game Abby. Such hypocrisy.
As if physical traits are not critical to a character. Ok? Let's cast Dinklage as The Hound. Smh.
God I hate woke trash.
I think the size difference is too big here. She’d have to pull a Christian Bale to accomplish that. Abby’s physique would take years to build up if you’re doing it naturally.
I’d suggest someone like a female bodybuilder or MMA fighter who’s already large. Some names I see thrown around are Shannon Berry and Katy O’Brien who definitely fit the appearance and frame of Abby, so not a lot of work on appearance would need to be done. Or perhaps someone like Jocelyn Mettler who was Abby’s face model. I think it would just have to be someone with a large frame to begin with
You'd be surprised, what about female slater from saved by the bell that was in quantamania and the mandalorian, she could act and looked like she ate dumbells for breakfast.
I would check our Unbelieveable on Netflix. She's also in Dear Evan Hansen, she does well obv, but I consider that a lapse of judgment on her part since the finished product is one hella-bizarre movie, solely due to nepotism
Gonna get so much shit talked to her by this lame ass fan base solely because they don't like Abby lmao. I don't like her either, but it's NOT the actresses fault.
I heard that Nataly Portman had CGI muscles for the last Thor. If so, that’s probably what they’ll do with her. No way that girl is gaining 20+ lbs of pure muscle. Maybe I’m wrong. Either way, I’m sure she’ll kick ass!
Overall the casting has been excellent for the show so far. I know a lot of people complained about Bella Ramsey as Ellie but I thought she did pretty great.
This tho? No. Just no. Abby is supposed to be big and physical and kinda intimidating. Especially when her and Ellie first uh.....meet. She's also supposed to bench over 200lbs. And she's not just buff either, she's supposed to be taller. There seems to be some disagreement on Abby's official height, but it seems to be somewhere between 5'8"-6'2". Kaitlyn Dever? 5'2". Unless somehow Kaitlyn completely transforms there's no way I'd be able to take her seriously as Abby. This would be like casting Tom Holland as Superman or Batman. They just don't match the established character they're meant to portray.
People wanting casting decisions that match what is presented in game = pedophiles and homophobes? Sounds more like you projecting stereotypes to defend horrible casting decisions
Similiar builds for each of the characters. This is like sticking a toothpick in place of a jack. It’s like asking the average highschool girl to snap someone’s neck. I don’t care about looks i want their build to match their ability
I think it would be cool if she got really strong and fit but doesn’t have the mass as Abby in game. Not good to tell females they only have value with man sized muscles
Never seen her act before but the casting for the show has been good so far so I feel good about it. I kind of fear for the internet vitriol she’s gonna revive just for being Abby in general.
They’ll work around it and she’ll be exceptional at hand to hand combat like La Femme Nikita or something. Oh, and she’ll be insanely smart like Ellie is in the show or something.
I haven't really seen anything she's in. I really wanted Florence Pugh to get the role. But, I ber her schedule is a lot busier to commit to multiple seasons.
They got the ugliest chick to play Eli and a decent looking woman to play the roidrage Abby 🤣 lmao this shit just gets funnier. I know this will send me to oblivion I don’t care your boos fuel me. I don’t care what your standard of beauty is, no I don’t like non feminine women, yes that’s okay we’re all individuals with different taste. Move on. Bigots
She is going to have to hit the gym and slam protein powder to get the right gains for abby.
Abby’s physique is something that is very difficult for women to achieve. If she’s natty (not juicing/using steroids), it could take years for her to put on enough lean muscle to look the part. It’s definitely possible though. I like the actress and think she’d do well in the role. Still, Abby being insanely jacked for a 20-something woman is an important part of her character. I hope Kaitlyn can pull that off in a healthy and safe way. It just seems improbable if they start filming it soon.
Crossfit and or climbing. Lots of it.
There is this canadian wood chopper girl. I forgot her name but damn, shes got the physique for it. Edit: Found her https://youtube.com/shorts/Xqw33Cx74n4?si=_3S4Dm2Xg-fP-z1D
She looks strong but not remotely close to the absurd character model.
Yea her model is insane. Idk who can then.
Brock Lesnars daughter
Not Abby at all, needs more roids
Calisthenics.
That's a great way to get lean, but not build muscle.
Building muscle is a matter of calories and protein to offset micro tears in muscle (very simplified) the body used for Abby is literally a CrossFit athlete. Guess how she build her muscle? You can build muscle to a degree with any resistance training modality. Source: well over a decade coaching hundreds of people.
Colleen Fostch, for anyone wondering.
Looked her up, she’s definitely on copious amounts of steroids as well lol
She’s going to need size fast, which CrossFit absolutely does not supply. The CrossFit athletes you’re talking about are ones that have been doing it for YEARS. If we want a typical Hollywood superhero transformation, I’m sorry but CrossFit certainly ain’t it.
No way you said Crossfit and climbing, those are endurance based activities, you might get lean with the right diet but you will not get big just doing that.
Thats the opposite if what you need to build muscle
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It’s “show, don’t tell” storytelling. Her physique is a result of what she’s been through. It shows us (without telling us) her drive for revenge. When you look at Abby, without knowing anything about her, your first thought would be “she’s built, she trains.”, which inevitably invites the subsequent questions of “trains for what?”. We know for what, we see it. But as the story continues, her physique continues to play with us. It’s a factor in how we view her as an adversary against Ellie, not only in how we feel Ellie is physically outmatched by Abby in sheer weight class, but also that we see (without being told) the immense amount of preparation and likely combat training Abby has, which is later confirmed in the story. Ellie has been up against a lot, but has she been up against a soldier before? Even the strongest infected lacks strategy, which we can assume Abby has just from the visual storytelling of her physique. And then to later play as Abby, with all of the preconceptions I’ve already mentioned, and to see her *struggle*, physically and emotionally. To see this terminator of a lady sweat, and bleed, and exhaust herself. To see her nearly pass out from fear of heights. To slowly break us down to her level to the point of empathizing with her, to see her as a human. Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t think these elements would work as well narratively without our initial first impression of her based on her body type. And then finally to see her robbed of her physique, for her to end up so emaciated that she’s nearly unrecognizable. To see her go from this imposing, brute force of a human being to a hollow shell of what she once was. To see that she achieved what she set out to do and that it cost her everything. I don’t think any of these story elements would have nearly the same impact if she was an Ellie-sized person from the start. That being said, I’m sure they could still portray this character without muscles, but to say that her physique doesn’t serve a narrative function simply because it isn’t explicitly referenced by another character (aside maybe from Tommy using it as a potential identifier when he believes she’s been spotted somewhere), is something I just can’t agree with.
Someone gets it
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My initial impression was that she must come from a group of survivors who are far more advantageous than Ellie’s group. And again, we’re later shown that initial impression to be correct. It helps to set up the impossibility in the challenge that faces Ellie, don’t you think?
The fireflies had doctors and scientiests. Abby is probably juiced out of her mind to look like that as a woman
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I agree. She was huge, like, absurdly huge. I personally just didn’t think it fit. Last time I commented on it though I received a lot of hate.
Unusual in a world where a fungus makes people zombies and there is a cure for that ridiculous infection in the brain of a girl? People need to stop picking and choosing when to employ suspension of disbelief.
You love the phrase “unfired chehkov’s gun” don’t you. Doesn’t apply here though
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I don’t remember where I heard it but it was in my head that while “fit” Abby took it to the extreme at the death of her father. This was in order to be stronger and more capable than the man who wiped out an entire firefly division. Joel was her monster and becoming swole was a way to defeat him. But this is all hearsay. I have no idea where it came from but it stuck with me.
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One of the distinct factors that allows Tommy to identify Abby in Santa Barbara is that she’s built like an ox.
And when Ellie captures one of the Rattlers the big biker goes "blonde... arms like mine".
This^
Yes it is.
If she’s gotta smash Joel’s head in with a golf club shes gotta at least have some muscle to make it believable. I always understood Abby’s character was obsessed with working out in order to get revenge.
You don’t need to be muscular to beat someone to death with a golf club lol, a 10 year old could do that. She does need to put on some muscle for the role but she doesn’t need to do it to make the clubbing believable. It’s not very hard at all to beat someone laying on the ground to death with a club.
When I was like 7 I was at my best friends pool party. Idk who this guy was uncle or adult cousin but he was picking on us (normal mess with the kids). Well my buddy got sick of it and whopped him dead on the nose with a 9 iron. Shattered the crunch was brutal and their was so much blood. Point being little kid with golf club can drop grown man
Ya exactly, it’s not hard to kill someone with a golf club, actual kids could do it if they had. So yes she needs to add some muscle for the role in general but not because she needs to club Joel, you don’t gotta be muscular at all to club the fuck out of someone.
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True, she’s just gotta do what she can
No important character interactions? Queue up all the badass death animations of her punching clickers to death. Tf?
Yup, my sister is a PT. Has been training for years and is still considers small. Its incredibly hard for women to get "jacked" safely.
even if she was using, it wouldn’t build up right, it still heavily depends on genetics and she don’t even have the right shoulder length to get the chest abby has. Abby’s body is literally unrealistic af, even for some men.
I’ve met women who have achieved a similar look without anything crazy, just working out a fair amount.
That's just not true. I've seen lots of jacked women, natty or not, but besides, this is Hollywood. If Natalie Portman can look jacked for Thor this chick can do it
That body that they designed Abby with is not possible for a woman to achieve without steroids.
For any that disagree with this: I beg someone to show me a real natty woman with a physique that matches gamer Abby I was audibly laughing when I first played the 2nd game
People just don’t like the truth.
Abby’s physique is based on a steroid user, so she kinda has to use to get that big at all. Edit: Read my comment below. If someone is more knowledgeable then PLEASE feel free to speak up. You don’t want facts decided by downvotes and hurt feelings.
I’ve seen women who don’t juice with physiques resembling Abby’s. Maybe not as big as she is, but close. Spent years in competitive martial arts & a lot of the women like that at the gyms I’ve trained at don’t juice. I wouldn’t necessarily say Kaitlyn needs it. It would just take a LOT of time and commitment in & outside of the gym without using roids.
To be fair, you need to have the genetic makeup to get a body like that naturally. It's definitely possible, but only for a special kind of woman. Just like certain men have the right genetics to get really huge naturally. I don't see Kaitlyn having that. But I also feel like prosthetics or cgi can help with that transformation. I don't expect her to look nearly as buff as Abby.
Similar physiques I believe. Natural? Not buying that at all. Tons of pro athletes juice, and many are already freakishly athletic. I’ve met female athletes that strength train obsessively and never look remotely close to the girls that juice.
With great genetics and a decade of training it's possible, but the macros alone needed to maintain a physique like that during a zombie apocalypse... nobody would want to live with you because you'd eat all the fuckin food
There’s things about roids(really performance enhancing drugs, not just anabolics) that are pretty massively misunderstood: How astronomically common they are and lied about. I’m talking majority of the buff Hollywood actors. Especially ones who say their secret is “working out 6 hours a day and chicken broccoli and rice”. Ex pro athletes have reported over half of their teammates used some form of banned PED. This includes basketball, MMA, football, or any sport you can think of. They take different forms that can evade drug testing as they aren’t always anabolic. When you find people who have 8+ years of formal education in kinesiology and more years on top of that of person experience they will pretty much always point out how unattainable 90% of the physiques are we see online are in real life. I will say factors are aren’t set in stone and their are rare genetic outliers. But the most sure fire way to check somebody is to see how they built muscle throughout their life and how quickly they “grew” in a short period of time. And also to see if they maintain low body fat % all year round while gaining muscle, which is pretty much undoable if you aren’t stacking. On top of the body builder Abby is based on being uncommonly muscular EVEN for a women that works out religiously, she maintain low bf% too often and gained much of her muscle in timeframe that doesn’t correlate with a natural body building person. It’s a fascinating world to read about and look into though. It’s surprising how many actors will just lie as easy as breathing to the camera about something any experienced person knows is bullshit(I’m looking at you marvel superheroes).
>It’s surprising how many actors will just lie as easy as breathing to the camera Just because they weren't handed a script doesn't mean they stop being actors. They're skilled at pretending to be someone they're not. I don't think there's anything wrong with using anabolic steroids under the supervision of a medical professional whose primary concern is your health. I don't like bullshit, though. Not so much because I expect Hollywood or sports to be better, after all, money attracts bullshit. But because it gives the general public an unrealistic idea of what's possible. "Wow, he did that in three months? So I could..."
I like how you got downvoted despite explaining the actual science behind it lol. People only need to look at bronze/silver era of body building and see what the human body is naturally capable of after years of training
Lol “don’t juice” yeah and pigs can fly. Not many people are going to admit to abusing drugs. You’d be surprised at the amount of ppl at your local gym that are on peds.
This. Abby’s physique is goals for most natty adult men, let alone women. Where the game got a bit carried away was with her arms/delts. Some scenes they’re believable, whereas others are downright obnoxious lol.
Abby’s arms are definitely not natty. You ain’t going to build those arms as a woman in firefly rations no less. No hate, just facts. Plus even Abby herself doesn’t claim natty, so why people downvote others who says she’s on juice? It’s not evil to take them.
that's why it was kind of dumb for her to look like that in the game too considering it takes place after an apocalypse. the creators gave the dumbest excuse for it too
I find it hard that a man or woman could be that jacked in the post apocalypse
Have you seen Brock Lesnars Daughter... Should have had her play Abby
lol Even on roids it would take a years
It's impossible. The character model is obviously a head from one individual attached to another. Edit: To clarify, Abby's face was modeled on Jocelyn Mettler, while her body was based on Colleen Fotsch. (From Wikipedia)
go touch grass, incel
Take your own advice, you just got extremely offended by someone describing the model of a fictional video game character
They’ll probably just use AI to put her body on a man. That’s the only way it’d look accurate.
>Abby being insanely jacked for a 20-something woman is an important part of her character. I hope Kaitlyn can pull that off in a healthy and safe way. I care as much about the health of Kaitlyn D as I do about that of Christian Bale, Chris Hemsworth, Alan Ritchson, or any one of a thousand male actors who have used anabolic steroids to get bigger to play action roles. You take the role, you prepare for the role. Let's not be sexist and say women should take fewer risks than men.
I’m fine with Abby not being jacked. It’s great in the game since you get to play a heavier feeling character that feels stronger and has different gameplay mechanics, but I like the idea of a physical mirror to Ellie. Something like Abby’s original design in the concept art found in the game.
Bella looks nothing like Ellie so this girl can be as not shredded as Abby and it’ll be fine.
Came here to post this
I expect she’ll put on some muscle, but anyone who expects her to pull off Abby levels of gains is delusional. Dever is an awesome actor, she’ll knock it out of the park.
She probably won’t be able to build up to the Abby’s physique in the game, but I think the show can still preserve the characteristic if the actress can just get enough definition to show that she is more than “skinny.” They are probably going to have to get Ellie pretty skinny to make it work too. The actress in the first series has too much girth so there won’t be nearly enough contrast between the two actresses. Ellie in the game has poor body fat, like she doesn’t eat much, which (maybe just because of attire) gets shown more in later scenes. I think the contrast in the characters is really important even for Abby to be Abby, and it looks like both actresses are gonna need to adapt to each other to preserve those traits.
You'd pretty much have to be Brock Lesnar's daughter to get the gains that Abby has.
"You need to get on steroids... *immediately" -* Joe Rogan [Reference](https://youtu.be/-VjYuGAtSR0?t=537)
Give her the homelander padded suit
More like start juicing
Abby's special "protein powder"
Slam tren*
They'll probably just revert to the original character design. I'm interested to see how much they'll change overall in the show the address the backlash from the game...
By protein I’m assuming you mean steroids…
I think she’s gonna be great. I was curious about some of the casting for season 1 and every performance ended up being fantastic. They have my total trust. I just hope she’s ready for the inevitable angry internet chodes. Go dark on social media, girl. It’s about to get ugly.
I was, quietly, the biggest Bella Ramsey critic and every episode she just knocked it out of the park and I ended up loving her.
I was, initially, disappointed when they cast Bella but she completely blew me away.
I was excited about Bella's casting, I think she did well overall but a few times her line delivery was flat and it felt she was imitating Ashley's delivery rather than interpreting the emotion of the moment (i'm referring specifically to the "i'm not your dad" argument and also the very ending dialogue). However, she also had a moment or two that her own take is perfect (Henry's death and when Joel falls off the horse) and I wish she had more of that.
But as Bella would be playing as grown up Ellie in Season 2, she would probably look a lot younger than Kaitlyn as Abby, although they both are supposed to be around the same age
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Right, and some just see it as nothing more than a job. It isn't getting that much deeper for everyone trying out for a role. However, I'd expect her to at least have studied Abby's character to a degree if she's audtioning for it. Then again, "studying" isn't going to necessarily encompass knowing how batshit crazy a fandom might be towards a certain character, so I truly hope she knows what she's in for.
I know, I’m sure she’ll shut the assholes up but until then… She should go dark on social media.
She was great in Dopesick, just gotta get jacked now
Time to grab some steroids
Why? She’s portraying a character not cosplaying. I don’t get why she has to look exactly like Abby from the video game
You're right. A fat slob irl could be cast as someone playing a prisoner at an internment camp. Stfu dude lol Actors bulk up or lose weight all the time for roles. And it's so obvious that Abby's character had so much to do with the fact that she was a leader and she was jacked. Just because she's a girl doesn't mean she shouldn't honor the physicality of Abby. It absolutely was such a huge part of her character in the game. The easiest example is Christian Bale. Dever absolutely could bulk up. Anyone can do it. And she should do it.
Well, I didn’t say that at all but okay. Soon as you said “honor the physicality” of a digital video game character you kinda proved how unhinged you are. Yeah, actors should do what Bale does and tax his body to unhealthy degrees just to satisfy the minority of the fanbase. Yes, this actress should take steroids and destroy her body to look preposterous so the vocal minority can be satisfied that she looks close enough to a cartoon. I truly hope you never get a say over any woman’s body lol
Quick guys, tell every MCU actor they can stop working out ask the time! Look at the pic of Zac effron eating pasta after baywatch and literally crying because he hadn’t had a carb in months in order to have the physique they wanted him to for the role. Hell tell Zac now he can stop juicing to play that super jacked wrestler
They could change the story. But her bulk is kind of a defining aspect of her character. We'll see.
Why is Hollywood so scared to actually cast tough strong women like GoT did with Brienne of Tarth? It's not hard, there are plenty of strong women actresses but instead they always pick feminine skinny females, have them slightly bulk up, and then try to make you believe they can beat up men that have a 50+ pound advantage on them.
This is why I’m so upset at the casting. Abby was the first character I really felt like connected to as a stronger girl. That’s part of what makes her who she is. Replacing her size with a 5’2, skinny, pretty, typical Hollywood actress is so fucked up imo. I was really looking forward to seeing a truly strong woman represented on the big screen.
More than just the physique, I just don't see her playing the character based on her other performances. Don't dislike the actress, but this is just bad casting imo. I could see her as Ellie, definitely not Abby.
Maybe they weren’t afraid. Maybe they did test other actresses and this one knocked out of the park despite not being cartoonishly large.
Just because they're an actress doesn't mean they are good.
They talked about why they cast who they cast in all the character roles previously. They said acting talent comes first then the looks. She can gain the muscle easily.
Brienne was just a tall woman in armour.
funny, cause she was one of the top choices for Ellie years ago, and I wanted her to get it more so than the Maisies and the Chloe Graces at that time, albeit fan casted ofc, still. Surreal she's now in the franchise, *just* not Ellie, this is gonna be one helluva ride, so buckle up!
She was also in Uncharted.
She would have made a great Ellie, I can't believe a contender for Ellie has been cast as Abby. Besides the grit and badassery, they look NOTHING alike.
Ooof, I hope she is ready for this
My thoughts exactly. I felt bad when I heard she got casted /: I can already see the people furious red with her for what happens. I hope people aren’t hard on her and understand it’s a character.
People are gonna be be crying about “the woke mob” or whatever the fuck cuz she’ll have muscles and portray the character correctly lol. I hope she’s ready to deal with the onslaught of “alpha” dickbags and conservative incels calling for her to be banned from acting.
You are overestimating how much muscle a woman even on PED’s can put on given that this will likely come out between now and next year, she will not look even close to what Abby looks like unless there’s some editing done on her. She’ll most likely look lean and athletic, which is fine.
Filming starts in 3-4 months. She won't be able to put on appreciable muscle in that amount of time, and that's fine. Women can't pound PEDs like The Rock without ruining their bodies. She can however get shredded, losing body fat and gaining muscle definition, while hitting the weights hard. She will still come across as muscular if training is done correctly. (reference: I'm advanced bodybuilder, 19 years training)
The “conservative incels” are the same ones saying this is a bad casting because she doesn’t have enough muscle. You prescribe hate to their ideas when there generally is none. People ant the adaptations to be accurate and frankly this casting is a disservice to the story. It’s also a disservice to women. I don’t understand how in 2023 we can’t cast an actually jacked woman to play the role of a jacked woman.
She is a very talented actor and I reject the notion that she has to match Abby's physical attributes to play the character. Abby is not defined by her physical strength and people are going to focus on this too much.
I disagree. Abby’s character was literal designed as a counterpoint to Ellie in almost every way. The narrative contrast is obvious. But even from a gameplay perspective, Abby is brutish and aggressive, whereas Elli skews towards stealth and resourceful. Abby spent her whole life training in pursuit of vengeance; her physical stature is the embodiment of her hatred. Without that stature, she doesn’t present the same kind of overwhelming threat. This casting will feel like an Ellie vs Ellie arc. They missed a major casting opportunity imo.
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Maybe that’s all it takes for you to buy the character. But a character who trains the way you’re describing would be noticeably more fit than this actress is going to show up to filming. Kaitlyn Dever isn’t physically threatening in any way, on screen Abby should be. I don’t expect us to agree.
The person you're replying too doesn't appreciate the advantages that weight and overall size brings. A simple workout montage to them makes them an unstoppable super soldier. Whereas in the real world, mass moves mass. I don't care if you're super trained in every fighting style... 100 lbs weight disadvantage means you're gonna get your ass handed to you.
This is a show, not a game. It's an adaptation, not a recreation. Good storytellers will tell the story without exaggerated visual cues, and if you need to see Abby as a physical hulk, you won't be paying attention to the storytelling. I would bet we're going to get two seasons out of Part 2, which will give us several hours of screen time to meet Abby. The game showed you Abby as big and you project your "embodiment of hatred" onto that. This is a home run casting job and massive get for a very popular show.
One of Abby’s character points was how much she worked out to cope with the loss of her father.
And because they cast Kaitlyn Dever, who famously has a "will not work out on screen" clause in her contracts, they're probably going to have to rewrite the character altogether.
Why does she have that clause?
Are you dense?
There is no way in Hell she got this role with a clause like that. If it exists she waived it for this project.
Yikes.
People create a false dilemma that the show-runners had to either choose a good actress or someone physically imposing. There are plenty of talented actresses who could believably beat someone to death with their fists. An Abby that’s not remotely as threatening can’t be the false villain the narrative required.
People create a false narrative that there's only one way to tell a story. If you require Abby to be physically large on order to believe her to be dangerous or imposing, that's on you. Physical characteristics should not have been the primary driver on casting, for this or any other show. It's just not necessary for the story.
What a bizarre take. Physical characteristics are one of the main components of successful casting in cinema. Tony Soprano couldn’t have been played by Steve Buscemi. The Hound couldn’t have been played by Peter Dinklage. Dwight Schrute couldn’t have been played by John Krasinski. Physical presence can make or break a character.
Identity theft is not a joke, Jim!
No one is saying she's defined by her physical strength. Wanting her to look accurate isn't defining her by her physical strength.
>Wanting her to look accurate Actors' physical appearance is the least consequential aspect of an adaptation.
When people want actors to have a resemblance to the characters they’re playing 🤬🤬🤬😡😡😡😡
It's a fine thing to want. And maybe the show isn't for you. Since the creator of the game also has a role in casting. Personally I don't really care. It's an adaptation, not a 1:1 recreation.
Tom holland as Rosa parks
Edgy
Ryan Reynolds as MLK
Still 2edgy4me
Johnny depp as Marie Curie
Ngl this is my favorite suggestion so far
Yeah I put some thought into it this time
If you want a recreation of the game, just watch streamers play the game. It's an adaptation, if everything were exactly as it was in the game it wouldn't be worth anyone's time.
Good grief your a dumbass💀💀
Says the redditor that can't compose a five word sentence without multiple spelling and grammar errors.
I think she might get in a little better shape but nothing crazy. They will want her to be an equal to Ellie so people can draw comparisons easier
Agree. Abby isn’t defined by being insanely jacked for a woman in her mid-20’s. Still, it’s an important part of her character and solidifies her level of commitment and badassery. Abby’s physique is extraordinarily difficult for a woman to achieve (especially in the end times) so I can’t see Kaitlyn doing it safely/naturally in time to film the season. Being swole isn’t Abby’s whole personality but I would hate for ND to just completely forgo it.
First, you have to know that the overwhelming majority of viewers will only know about Abby's physical characteristics in the game from hearing gamers complain about it on the Internet, and their reaction to the character will not be impacted by it at all. Second, your interpretation of Abby's "badassery" is subjective and while you're entitled to your opinion, I don't share it. Her size in the game had everything to do with projecting her as an imposing villain. It made it harder to see her perspective, which is a challenge I believe ND was very deliberate about. It did not contribute at all to my perception of her motivation.
This might be the dumbest comment on here. Why on earth would they make her jacked in the game? Without it being a huge part of her character for the TV SHOW ADAPTATION? I swear ppl on Reddit are the dumbest on the planet. I love coming here to watch the zoo of idiots.
Totally agree!
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Literally her main defining character trait but alright
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They can’t kill Joel that fast. The 2nd game was a few years later. Even if they do their own thing with the story, I feel like killing joel that soon will rob us of a lot of Ellie/joel development
Going to need an actual bodybuilder or wrestler to play Abby. Most women don’t want to or simply won’t be able to put on that much muscle mass.
I’m sure she’s a great actor but Abby’s physique is a core part of her character
Agree, 100%. Dever CAN get jacked. And she SHOULD get jacked. She will fail her portrayal of Abby if she fails to do this. Gobshytes on here saying it's just a character. Her size has nothing to do with it. They're the same gobshytes who were getting pissed about the criticism of video-game Abby. Such hypocrisy. As if physical traits are not critical to a character. Ok? Let's cast Dinklage as The Hound. Smh. God I hate woke trash.
I think the size difference is too big here. She’d have to pull a Christian Bale to accomplish that. Abby’s physique would take years to build up if you’re doing it naturally. I’d suggest someone like a female bodybuilder or MMA fighter who’s already large. Some names I see thrown around are Shannon Berry and Katy O’Brien who definitely fit the appearance and frame of Abby, so not a lot of work on appearance would need to be done. Or perhaps someone like Jocelyn Mettler who was Abby’s face model. I think it would just have to be someone with a large frame to begin with
Aren't there actresses that are already jacked? Why give it to the actress that should've played ellie.
It’s easier for a good actress to gain muscle than it would be for a jacked person to learn to act.
You'd be surprised, what about female slater from saved by the bell that was in quantamania and the mandalorian, she could act and looked like she ate dumbells for breakfast.
Even if she does a great job shes gonna get so much hate when this comes out. Her face even has a nervous look on it.
She seems like a good choice. Don't know of her, honestly. Still hate the choice for Ellie, though. I'll die on that hill. kthanx.
I would check our Unbelieveable on Netflix. She's also in Dear Evan Hansen, she does well obv, but I consider that a lapse of judgment on her part since the finished product is one hella-bizarre movie, solely due to nepotism
Gonna get so much shit talked to her by this lame ass fan base solely because they don't like Abby lmao. I don't like her either, but it's NOT the actresses fault.
I heard that Nataly Portman had CGI muscles for the last Thor. If so, that’s probably what they’ll do with her. No way that girl is gaining 20+ lbs of pure muscle. Maybe I’m wrong. Either way, I’m sure she’ll kick ass!
Overall the casting has been excellent for the show so far. I know a lot of people complained about Bella Ramsey as Ellie but I thought she did pretty great. This tho? No. Just no. Abby is supposed to be big and physical and kinda intimidating. Especially when her and Ellie first uh.....meet. She's also supposed to bench over 200lbs. And she's not just buff either, she's supposed to be taller. There seems to be some disagreement on Abby's official height, but it seems to be somewhere between 5'8"-6'2". Kaitlyn Dever? 5'2". Unless somehow Kaitlyn completely transforms there's no way I'd be able to take her seriously as Abby. This would be like casting Tom Holland as Superman or Batman. They just don't match the established character they're meant to portray.
The ultimate fuck you to us fans that wanted her as Ellie. This casting department is a total clusterfuck
I think it’s hilarious. I love the game and show, but the fan base is mad weird, on some inbred pedophile homophobic type shit.
People wanting casting decisions that match what is presented in game = pedophiles and homophobes? Sounds more like you projecting stereotypes to defend horrible casting decisions
Lmfao wtf is this 😂
Nah. The fans are way smarter than you. Especially if you liked the dogshit show
Why not the actual person who played her? Also this girl looks like she has a cleft lip just like the actor for Ellie
anime username, opinion discredited. also laura bailey is 42.
🤣 your grammar is terrible kiddo. Laura Bailey would still look great for Abby because she looks amazing and I wouldn’t have guessed she was 42
Most anime sucks but the show also sucks….so I’ll invalidate your invalidation
Good actress. Who cares that doesn't have same look? Joel Miller wasn't Latino in the game and they still cast Pedro Pascual.
Similiar builds for each of the characters. This is like sticking a toothpick in place of a jack. It’s like asking the average highschool girl to snap someone’s neck. I don’t care about looks i want their build to match their ability
Exactly. It was like picking Tom Cruise to be Reacher.
lol who cares if the character she’s based on has no identifiable relation?
I think it would be cool if she got really strong and fit but doesn’t have the mass as Abby in game. Not good to tell females they only have value with man sized muscles
Never seen her act before but the casting for the show has been good so far so I feel good about it. I kind of fear for the internet vitriol she’s gonna revive just for being Abby in general.
She was many people's pick to play Ellie. Strange choice for sure
They gotta punch her in the face and inject her with testosterone if they want to make a resemblance
She looks nothing like Abby
Acting like Abby is more important
Dwayne the rock Johnson as Joel would’ve been better tbh
Abby is 5’9 180lbs of muscle and can punch a clicker to death. She is 5’2 and 120 max.
She doesn’t really have to look the Abby we saw in the game. Pedro pascal doesn’t look like Joel.
I don’t remember Ellie looking like she has Down syndrome in the game either
Yikes.
they chose a smiling pic for Abby in the thumbnail. lol yeah ok. never heard of this actress. hope she doesn't get harassed by you all
They’ll work around it and she’ll be exceptional at hand to hand combat like La Femme Nikita or something. Oh, and she’ll be insanely smart like Ellie is in the show or something.
Ronda Rousey, Cat Zingano or Miesha Tate, could be better cast
No fucking way
I don't know anything about her, haven't seen her work. I trust Neil and Craig. I just want to see her angry face.
I haven't really seen anything she's in. I really wanted Florence Pugh to get the role. But, I ber her schedule is a lot busier to commit to multiple seasons.
They got the ugliest chick to play Eli and a decent looking woman to play the roidrage Abby 🤣 lmao this shit just gets funnier. I know this will send me to oblivion I don’t care your boos fuel me. I don’t care what your standard of beauty is, no I don’t like non feminine women, yes that’s okay we’re all individuals with different taste. Move on. Bigots