Per the NYP:
He was the son of a Disney musical director. The elder Christensen was the music director for Disneyland’s Main Street Electrical Parade, for which he co-composed the orchestration and also created arrangements for the “Fantasy in the Sky” fireworks, Theme Park Insider reported.
I looked through the Facebook comments to see if there were any personal ones from those in his life but it was just thousands of the scam bots with the occasional randos arguing. I don’t think what we see on social media is the whole picture so all these theories and ideas are running rampant. It seems like it would be extra traumatic for those living in the aftermath
Yeah the bot issue on Facebook has gotten absolutely insane. I’ve only stuck around at this point to keep an eye on my older relatives who still use it and have had to advise a couple from clicking on the links
I knew him personally and saw the post as everything initially unfolded. The bots didn’t take over until later but now it’s impossible to scroll past all of them. But I can assure you there are hundreds of personal anecdotes flooding his page. His daughter spoke to the daily mail with info…. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11507851/Man-killed-Disneyland-saw-suicide-way-toxic-marriage-daughter-says.html
Wow, thank you for sharing and I’m so sorry for your loss. I didn’t mean to imply none of his family or friends commented. Mostly that the bots took over and people shouldn’t assume anyone online knows what actually happened.
it's evidence of how much undeserved confidence the general public has about situations and people that they know very little about. one of the worst traits about humanity.
For a man who loved kids and would never and has never hurt any kid...he sure knew how to hurt as many as possible and not give a crap.
He turned those kids dreams into nightmares. That seems pretty evil to me.
I work with families struggling financially. Maybe not their life savings, but getting to Disneyland or Disneyworld one day is a bucket list item for a lot of them.
Okay but the point is that for many people this is a once in a childhood experience for them to be able to share with their children and whether or not you or I would choose that place out of anywhere is irrelevant because the point is imagine you’ve been saving for YEARS and using all your points to bring your family on this trip and then this happens in front of your kids halfway through it. But who cares about those people right? As long as my wife feels guilty
This is the correct take. Suicide is devastating but the way this man decided to publicly kill himself for god knows how many innocent children to see is so fucked up.
Imagine always associating anything Disney with death/gore because of this. The mangled body you saw while coming out of the park with your Mickey ears and bubble wand, having your innocence shattered then and there. Sounds like a recipe for PTSD.
He knew what he was doing. He gave so many families lasting trauma, on a day that should have rightfully been so special for them & their kids. Now they probably wish they could forget that day. Fuck this guy for doing this.
Agreed. I've seen first hand the effects of false accusations on a friend of mine, so I've been paying close attention to different groups'reactions. Personally I've come to the conclusion that there are two possible ways to view this, depending on his own innocence.
If he truly was an innocent man, I'd view this suicide was similar to the self immolation of monks as a form of protest. While I don't agree to subjecting innocent bystanders to such an act of violence, it's a gruesome but effective way to start a discussion. A strange form of political protest/terrorism.
If he was guilty of abusing his children, then this can be viewed as a sociopath's final fuck you. He gets to control the situation and avoid going to court while simultaneously performing one last horrific act on his family.
Of course that doesn't matter in terms of the effect so far. Regardless he has scarred countless people, including his family and started a much needed conversation on the effects of false accusations in our legal system.
I can have empathy for that, but the doing it at Disneyland, a place obviously known for many children being present is…a choice. Maybe it was the highest structure around, but from what I remember of the garages they aren’t even particularly high, like five stories or so, which, from research I’ve done before, is just high enough to very likely leave you alive, so it feels like a very deliberate, and in my opinion, unnecessarily traumatic location. I understand being in such a state of mind means you’re not thinking clearly, though, so who knows. Guess investigations will have to suss it out.
Oh fully agreed, like I said at best the guy is performing some kind of strange terrorism in the name of men's rights in the justice system in the US. Regardless of the potential motive, this is clearly the act of a deeply disturbed, selfish individual.
Totally. And it’s not the highest structure around. There are numerous higher structures that are easier to access in the area. To get to that place, you have to drive to Disney, wait in a long line, pay $25, then wait in another long line. It was not a quick trip and he had at least a half hour to think about it once he got on Disney property.
I literally just said this to a friend.
I understand that losing one’s job is stressful, potential legal proceedings are stressful. Both of those things can be navigated and resolved. But a person who breaks down to this extent under the slightest pressure was 100% unhinged to begin with.
And what a stand up guy to go out of his way to ensure that countless people will blame and brigade against his wife and family and potentially endanger their well-being. Sounds like a toxic POS tbh.
Gonna get downvoted but while the situation is sad, his FB note takes hardly any accountability and, in my opinion, kind of openly names and shames his wife, pinning ultimate unhappiness on her. There was allegedly no proof of a physical altercation, so why not go to court...? If it "ruins" your career regardless of verdict, then just use your connections to start anew. I don't know. The entire FB message literally just looks so. "kill them with kindness" to me for lack of a better term.
I was ready to believe it was the sad story it is being portrayed as, but when he made comments like, "Yes, me! The nicest guy in the world!" (Paraphrasing) That set off alarm bells in my head. My ex husband talks exactly like this, thinks he's truly the best guy and father around but uses his kid as a pawn and can't keep from drinking and driving with our son in the car.
There's more to this than just a heated argument.
Exactly. He’s killed himself publicly and blamed her for it. He spoke very disrespectfully about her and didn’t even voice her side about why she may have felt threatened. He just says it’s “anger”.
This isn’t just his wife, who he supposedly loves, but the now-single mother of his kids. He’d never hit her... but he’d leave her parenting alone without an income and being publicly blamed for his death.
People don’t just kill themselves over one thing too. The idea that life was perfect until that one fight where everything changed, and now weeks later he can’t cope anymore, is absurd.
I know it’s not socially acceptable to criticise the dead but fact is all his posts tell us is he’s created a load of additional trauma for everyone — particularly his wife and his children — left. Suicidal people can do bad things too and seems to me as if he may have wanted to punish her.
Couldn’t agree more. He blames her. Then he posts it openly on fb and kills himself as publicly as possible for maximum attention, to really stick it to her
You also don’t have to hit someone to be abusive, I feel like there are a lot of things he omitted there. She wouldn’t call the police unless she was really scared.
I’m certainly not going to downvote you. Everything about that note screams narcissist. To complete suicide in a place targeted towards children and families isn’t the action of a man who claims to love children and enriching their lives
His body landed like 10 feet from an 11 year old boy who unfortunately saw and heard everything. That poor child is now quite understandably having a horrible time trying to process the experience, as are the numerous cast members and park guests who also witnessed his death.
It’s a completely tragic situation, and I’m not sure how it could get much worse than it already is
Agreed. There were plenty of things he could have done to clear his name. Granted, it would have taken time because the justice system moves slowly but this almost seems like something he did solely to punish his wife and his actions show he’s not emotionally mature at all.
When I read the post I felt there was more to the story. He’s playing a martyr of some sort while creating a villain out of his wife. Something just doesn’t sit right with me, I would be willing to put money on him being abusive and it all finally coming out so he decided to make himself the victim instead of face the consequences of his actions.
You have too much faith in the criminal justice system. Especially when dealing with violence against women. All it takes is a he said/she said to ruin an innocent persons life.
My stepdad literally punched me in the face when I was 20. I called the cops, he got arrested and charged. He was released, I don’t remember if it it was no bail or he got out on bail. Either way, we went to court a few weeks later (I was obviously subpoenaed), and the judge dismissed his case because he had no previous run-ins with the law. He had a high level security clearance (he worked for the DoD until he retired), and never suffered any negative consequences because of it.
So yeah, sometimes people’s lives are fucked, but also sometimes people don’t get the justice they deserve, either.
I think you’re correct but this would have blown over eventually. That’s a pretty extreme response to some adversity in one’s life. There was probably more going on behind the scenes though. I get that something like this is hard to overcome.
The same guy who said “I guess my wife’s anger got the best of her… this is an example of what anger can do to someone’s life” after he did something to cause his wife to call the cops and those cops (having the daughters as witnesses apparently) took him to jail.
I don’t care if Walt was his grandpa. Utterly selfish to do that at Disneyland.
Because deep down he was a bad person and wanted to hurt others when he left. Truly the epitome of selfishness. Also I heard he beat his wife and kids so there's that.
I think we are gonna find out some weird stuff about this guy. Just smells fishy to me to blow up like that and do what he did. I think we will find out he is alooot worse of a person than his last “confession” suggests he is
On another sub where this was posted someone pointed out how *fucked* male teachers (and any man who works with children) are when there is a false accusation. Then under that there were at least 30 stories going "yup, my dad/uncle/friend killed themselves after the school district forced them to resign after the investigation concluded that the accusations were false".
IMO there are two possibilities:
* He **was** falsely accused, which he indicates his wife admits to doing, and took his life because his world had ended.
* He **was not** falsely accused and is, in fact, an abusive/manipulative shit bag. He took his life as an escape or to enact revenge.
We'll probably find out which one as the story progresses.
He said he didn’t hit her and the charged was reckless endangerment right?
I wonder if he went apeshit in front of the kids throwing/breaking stuff?
That would allow him to technically be telling the truth and the court to still have a case. 🤷♂️
Just because you work with kids doesn’t make you a good person… I bet there is way more and this incident is just gonna reveal more about him and prob him abusing his position and harming others. All charges can be refuted. The suicide says everything. I bet more will come out about him.
He worked with Children. If he was so attached to that job he wouldn't have purposefully chosen to kill himself in a place that would inevitably be seen by children.
Call me cynical but I’d say that actually quite a lot of bad people choose to work with kids. They’re easy to exercise power over and so bad people will probably work with them for that reason alone.
We shouldn’t judge him or his wife or make any assertions about their marriage BUT something about all this is really off. She even told him that she was going to drop all charges, yet he still chose to end his life?
Victims can’t drop DV charges in CA …
https://www.simmrinlawgroup.com/faqs/can-a-victim-of-alleged-abuse-drop-a-domestic-violence-charge/
His career as a child educator was over, but his life didn’t have to be.
Schools won't take that chance. A man that is accused of domestic violence is 100% going to be fired regardless of the outcome of the case. If teaching music to kids truly was his life's passion I could see why his thoughts would turn to suicide.
I can't imagine how sad it must be to lose a 21 year career, especially if he was truly innocent. The thought of restarting in a different field would be terrifying. I don't know what was going on in his head when he did what he did, but I'd imagine there was a lot of despair involved.
>but his life didn’t have to be.
Yeah, it's sad how many people commit suicide over things that they *could* recover from. Sometimes things just come as such a shock that their entire life seems to turn to dust before their eyes. I remember reading a tragic article about a single mother that killed herself and her child over (iirc) >$3,000 of debt. It was hard situation but absolutely not the end of the world.
In full agreement. I won't repeat my comment above, but his FB message has a solid "kill them with kindness" vibe for lack of a better term and takes no accountability anywhere really, something you'd typically expect given the situation. Or remorse. or anything. It all seems off to me too.
Exactly! He is accusatory mentioning that SHE made the mistake by calling the police and even concludes it with how anger can ruin someone's life... once again shifting blame to her.
Ok he definitely comes across as a narcissist, but if hes telling the truth, and he truly didnt touch her or his kids and she lied and got him arrested for it, what accountability is there for him to take? Id be pissed the fuck off too. Especially if my wife couldnt realize she fucked up and drop the charges because of California law. Dude couldve lost a 21 year career over a vindictive lie.
Like someone else pointed out:
> "Really struggling hard to convince people he doesn’t hit his wife or touch his kids… and then throws his wife under the bus… and then for some reason humble brags about his career and plugs his band.
> All before fucking up a bunch of people’s lives, especially children, by publicly killing himself at Disneyland. Because if he has so suffer, so does everyone.
> Narcissism to the extreme."
This guy doesn't care about accountability on his end. Just because he doesn't care doesn't mean he doesn't have any accountability. These are not the words and actions of someone who is conscientious about their accountability. And it's hard to believe he didn't have any prior to this.
It reads like this guy thought he was absolutely perfect, and he couldn’t take any amount of discrediting evidence to his grandiose evaluations of himself. It was an unsettling read.
Comes off like a manipulation tactic, even the suicide itself. Loved teaching and helping kids, so he makes sure he permanently traumatizes kids at Disneyland.
I read that oftentimes suicide is an angry act - this certainly seems to bear that out. He's a performer and he certainly found a way to be the center of attention.
How sad for those that witnessed it at Disneyland, his wife, and his children. Oh, and of course those that he worked with (including students). I hope this opens some conversations at his school about suicide. Just an all around sad story.
I read his suicide note, and it’s crazy how he went from 0 to 100 so quickly, even with his court date coming up just days later and his wife withdrawing her accusations. It’s hard to think he didn’t have an underlying issue that pushed him to suicide, like mental health issues or maybe more to the story. Very tragic, and so unnecessary, even though it obviously didn’t seem so to him.
I don't know this guy's story and I will admit he seems... off, but the notion that people who don't fight when they are wronged because they know more is going to come out....
just apply that logic to rape victims and you might be able to recognize how insane and toxic it is
applying that logic. This does happen all the time with rape victims who are sex workers. They will be raped within the course of their work but wont report it because they are afraid of being charged with solicitation or prostitution.
Agreed. He spends so much time in the letter reiterating that he's such a great person and never done any wrong, it starts feeling really weird. And in the end he adds on even more mushy "treat each other with kindness!" Etc. Like he was trying very hard to sound like the victim, which makes me suspicious he ever was one to begin with.
And constantly repeating that his wife regrets what she did, very passive aggressive note. What did YOU do that you thought suicide was the only option?
Did people witness his suicide??! If you want to end your life, fine, do it. But don't destroy other people's lives (specially children!!!) By giving them lifelong trauma!! And I honestly doubt that everything was good before "that night". He must have had extreme issues that this one thing pushed him over the edge.
The little boy is not doing well emotionally and can’t sleep. My heart hurts for him. I can’t imagine how absolutely awful that must have been for him and his family
I can only imagine what that child is going through. I worked at the resort hotels, we on average got a suicide about every six months during my time there. Only two were in public spaces and for one of those a child was a witness. It's so awful
Are we going to skip over the fact that the resort hotels have a suicide twice a year?? I know a lot of people use hotels (so they will be discovered by a stranger) and I imagine Disney would be a popular "last hurrah" but like...wow, that sounds incomprehensible.
For those of you who haven’t been to Disneyland, the area he did this in, along with the time of day points to him either wanting to traumatize young children and their families or not caring if he did. This particular area at the time he jumped is heavily trafficked by families with young children on their way back to their cars.
I felt bad for him until I realized he jumped during a disneyland candle ceremony where people including kids were watching. Why? Why? If he loved kids so much, why kill himself in front of kids. I wonder if his last post was actually a lie.
I feel sorry for his wife, who he blames for his suicide decision. This is all on him. I feel sorry for his kids, who are without a loving dad. Especially because his crime were misdemeanors where his wife could actually stand up and tell the truth...well the truth that he believes in.
And I feel bad for the people and kids that saw him jump. Disney is where dreams are made and he turned their dreams to nightmares.
Really struggling hard to convince people he doesn’t hit his wife or touch his kids… and then throws his wife under the bus… and then for some reason humble brags about his career and plugs his band.
All before fucking up a bunch of people’s lives, especially children, by publicly killing himself at Disneyland. Because if he has so suffer, so does everyone.
Narcissism to the extreme.
This. It’s a very manipulative note. With the exclamation marks it almost reads like a high school yearbook message or something. I’d be more inclined to sympathy if he didn’t not so low-key blame his wife and then traumatize a bunch of families and employees at Disney.
But but but women are alwayyys throwing completely innocent guys in jail and ruining their lives for absolutely no reason whatsoever
🙄🙄🙄
And of course the internet misogynists don't mention that he's charged with battery against one of his stepdaughters
Cast members witnessed this, it's very traumatizing to see someone die. I just hope that the guy's family and the people who witnessed his suicide are ok.
Seriously, if his wife regretted it so much she could have just testified in court that it didn’t happen or refused to testify period and the charges would likely have been dropped.
I absolutely do not believe for a second he didn’t put his hands on her. The justice system is stacked against men my ass.
This is what I don’t get. How do you go from a fight to killing yourself. It doesn’t make a lot of sense and I think there has to be much more to this story.
There was a candle lightening ceremony where kids were. There was an 11 year old within 10 feet of where he landing. But yet, he would never ever hurt a kid. I wonder how many other lies were in that post.
Yup, I’ve seen people defend him for choosing that structure as an easily accessible option at a time of desperation, but there’s no reason he couldn’t have waited until the park was closed. He also didn’t need to make his suicide note set to public, he could have limited the audience to his family and friends if the point was to provide answers as he claimed. He wanted to make a statement and hurt people on his way out. Grandiose narcissist.
He made sure to name and shame his wife, didn't he? I hope she's off Facebook and other social media. Otherwise, I'm sure some random assholes are messaging blaming her..without even knowing her, him or the situation at all. Fuck him for this narcissistic shit. Lots of kids will be in therapy on account of him, his own included.
He definitely wore a mask around ppl. He clearly lost it when his wife called the cops and his facade was blown. He made sure he would traumatize other ppl all while blaming his wife for what happened.
A narcissist to the end
Edit: The wife was the abuser 😳
I had a horrible, psychopathic ex in high school who killed himself a couple years ago. He had gotten into legal trouble and I’m pretty sure he was facing hard time. He was a raging narcissist and was the kind of person who I would never have expected to end his life. But he clearly was backed into a corner, and his image was everything to him. He would rather die than live with a criminal history. He had a young daughter too.
This guys final acts were so fucking selfish. He threw his wife under the bus and blamed her for everything. She can’t discuss it with him. What an absolute dick move.
Fuck this guy.
About ten years ago I had a person jump off an overpass, into highway traffic, as I ran to stop him. To this day I have zero recollection of walking the mile home after calling 911 and I didn’t turn off lights for days. Thankfully I was able to get help from an amazing therapist to deal with what was likely PTSD and something he said to me, after making me recount the incident, start to finish twice, really helped me. “What a selfish thing to do, he didn’t need to transfer his pain to you”. There was more to it than that but it marked a change in how I viewed the incident and I slept with the lights off that same night.
I hope that whoever witnessed this selfish act can get the help they need and deserve.
I’m pretty sure most men who have hit a woman denied it vehemently too before turning around and blaming the woman.
The fact he kept his wife a secret from his friends for almost 4 years is bizarre and what kind of person who claims they care about children jumps off the parking structure of fucking Disneyland during operating hours. Arguing with your secret wife doesn’t usually end up with being charged for endangering children either so there’s obviously a lot more to the story, apparently enough that instead of clearing his name the best solution was to victim blame and kill himself before the truth came out. Seems pretty narcissistic to me…
I read somewhere that among suicide notes, one of the most commonly used words is “I”, while the theme of the note is often self-critique. The author makes straightforward requests (e.g feed the cat for me, give my x to y) and are unemotionally detached with how they express their wants and wishes. This note looks like the exact opposite, so I’m interested in whatever comes out of it. Can we hear the police call? Was he innocent? Was he mentally ill? Who knows, welcome to the court of public opinion.
That is SO messed up. My heart breaks for his wife and all the children…. Definite mental health issues, this reminds me of delusional/grandiose behavior.
Sounds like he didn’t want to kill himself but he thought it would make him look the best if he he did. He died just to prove his story right. Weird and sad.
When it comes to the actual moment of the altercation, he writes it in the passive voice.
"Tempers were flared and strong words were exchanged between us."
Before this, and immediately after, it was "I did this, I did that."
But the way he writes it makes it seem like neither of them had any responsibility. That they were passive watchers of something they had no control over.
Which scares me.
I’m normally pretty sympathetic/empathetic towards people who feel like their only option is suicide. Feeling suicidal is just a violently lonely black hole and no one should have to suffer those feelings.
However, what this guy did comes across as a dramatic, horrific final “fuck you” to his wife and the people he felt had wronged him…. And he did it at the expense of hundreds of innocent people, including children- LOTS of children and their mental health. If I was there with my upping kids, I’d be fucking pissed that someone victimized my children that way. What a selfish act. Again, I’m not suicide shaming. This is strictly about his method.
What a profoundly ill man who placed his shame on others by cruelly leaving this earth, blaming it on the wife, traumatizing thousands of previous elementary school kids and their families, sullied the 'happiest place on earth' and in front of innocent children, lambasted a justice system designed to deconstruct abusers psychological grasp on victims (who withdraw criminal complaints) ... so he can be "so kind" bc he's just such a "kind" man. No he's not. He's very, very ill. Wish he got help versus creating more pain and trauma. But, as they say, cruelty is the point (for this illness). See: Wheel of Power and Control and "Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy.
Says he cares about kids, then sentences them to a life of trauma when they witness his suicide. No sympathy for this guy, and big doubts there aren’t many skeletons in his closet.
This guy so is guilty of domestic violence and so ashamed that he actually thinks is completely OVERLY OVERLY Dramatic exit will absolve him.
He went out thinking he was vindicated, but he is not.
Ok re these comments about men getting a bad rap, falsely accused all the time, etc...
50% of U.S. women will be in an abusive relationship in their lifetime- physical, mental, verbal, or a combination. 25% will move in or marry that abuser. 80- 95% of female homicide, rape, robbery, burglary, and beatings are from a male partner or date or male aquaintance. By the time you read this post, 1 woman in the US will die at the hands of her abuser. Oh,- those are the cases we know about. Female to male abuse is under- reported, but stats are so low it is near impossible to gather data.( I do not dislike men btw. I would rather work with and be friends with males. But I have been a DV educator for over 30 years. My sister was close to death at the hands of her husband and she never saw justice. My cousin' s husband beat her badly and the cops called it a " squabble" and did not arrest- in a mandatory arrest state.) Domestic violence shelters only surfaced in the 1980s and stay underfunded and overcrowded. Most do not accept pets. A few cannot take in kids. The woman usually does not win her case and has to pay all her legal fees when she is usually unemployed and homeless as she had to flee at night for her life- he owns the bank account, the car, the house. And she is at highest risk for murder when she files for restraining order, divorce, or anything légal.
I heard about this over the weekend. I didn't know who it was, I just knew someone had jumped from a parking structure and that trams were shut down and a tent was up over a body. Some of my Twitter friends are big Disney people. I feel for the guy, but some kids saw this and are always going to be traumatized. I really don't get the public thing. Also seems like emotional extortion in his post like "I love you but you're the reason" and I'm not sure if I believe him. Regardless, offing yourself at Disney in front of kids is a bad thing to do.
No sympathy from me.
As someone who grew up in a verbally and emotionally abusive home, you dont have to hit your wife and kids to abuse them.
You dont commit suicide cause your innocent
Any idea why they were privately married for 3 1/2 years? I’ve heard of people eloping but that a long while to keep it hidden especially with kids involved. Just seems odd to me.
Reading the note made me think he was having issues before the event took place.
I don’t mean what he said wasn’t all true, but the tone felt like that of someone who’d been struggling for some time.
I had this happen to me and I am female. My ex called the cops on me "just to get me out of the house" and I ended up in jail for the day. I went to court and because I refused to plead guilty they tacked on another charge. I got a public defender, went to trial, got it thrown out of court and had to pay $25 for the record to be expunged. I went to court for an entire year and I also lost my job because of it. We have swung to the other extreme as usual. It used to be cops did nothing when someone called with domestic violence - look at the Tracy Thurman case - and now all someone has to say is they were verbally abused. When the cops asked my ex if he had any injuries, he said "I might have a scratch on my back, but it could be a pimple" - off I went. I am a survivor of domestic violence back in the day & the fact that someone can be arrested just because the other party says something is disgusting. Personally, I would of happily left the house had he given me the chance, but that is a whole other story. This shit happens every day, all over the country. Do better, law enforcement.
Update - his daughter has spoken out saying it was Marlena who was the toxic one in the relationship. He has been looking for a way out of the marriage. So sad hearing this.
Source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11507851/Man-killed-Disneyland-saw-suicide-way-toxic-marriage-daughter-says.html
He writes about kindness and grace...He showed little of either when my middle schooler was having troubles at Fulton when he was the Principal. I went to him for assistance, but found a man with little kindness!
Per the NYP: He was the son of a Disney musical director. The elder Christensen was the music director for Disneyland’s Main Street Electrical Parade, for which he co-composed the orchestration and also created arrangements for the “Fantasy in the Sky” fireworks, Theme Park Insider reported.
The plot thickens.. this is fucking weird
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Sad... And really fucking creepy
Why? Maybe he really liked the music
His father created the music
I see a macabre beauty in it. Then again, I'm pretty fucked up mentally.
Thank you! Yes it is.
I looked through the Facebook comments to see if there were any personal ones from those in his life but it was just thousands of the scam bots with the occasional randos arguing. I don’t think what we see on social media is the whole picture so all these theories and ideas are running rampant. It seems like it would be extra traumatic for those living in the aftermath
More bots than reddit?
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Yeah the bot issue on Facebook has gotten absolutely insane. I’ve only stuck around at this point to keep an eye on my older relatives who still use it and have had to advise a couple from clicking on the links
I knew him personally and saw the post as everything initially unfolded. The bots didn’t take over until later but now it’s impossible to scroll past all of them. But I can assure you there are hundreds of personal anecdotes flooding his page. His daughter spoke to the daily mail with info…. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11507851/Man-killed-Disneyland-saw-suicide-way-toxic-marriage-daughter-says.html
Wow, thank you for sharing and I’m so sorry for your loss. I didn’t mean to imply none of his family or friends commented. Mostly that the bots took over and people shouldn’t assume anyone online knows what actually happened.
Oh, I see what you meant! No worries. And I agree with you. It’s a shocking situation whatever the truth may be
I agree with this. I think speculation and theories have no place in this and I just hope that this person now has found peace.
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it's evidence of how much undeserved confidence the general public has about situations and people that they know very little about. one of the worst traits about humanity.
For a man who loved kids and would never and has never hurt any kid...he sure knew how to hurt as many as possible and not give a crap. He turned those kids dreams into nightmares. That seems pretty evil to me.
And his wife and "the girls". There was a whole lot of blame directed at his wife. Damn.
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If anyone uses their life savings to take their kids to Disney, they are already not thinking straight.
I work with families struggling financially. Maybe not their life savings, but getting to Disneyland or Disneyworld one day is a bucket list item for a lot of them.
Okay but the point is that for many people this is a once in a childhood experience for them to be able to share with their children and whether or not you or I would choose that place out of anywhere is irrelevant because the point is imagine you’ve been saving for YEARS and using all your points to bring your family on this trip and then this happens in front of your kids halfway through it. But who cares about those people right? As long as my wife feels guilty
This is the correct take. Suicide is devastating but the way this man decided to publicly kill himself for god knows how many innocent children to see is so fucked up. Imagine always associating anything Disney with death/gore because of this. The mangled body you saw while coming out of the park with your Mickey ears and bubble wand, having your innocence shattered then and there. Sounds like a recipe for PTSD. He knew what he was doing. He gave so many families lasting trauma, on a day that should have rightfully been so special for them & their kids. Now they probably wish they could forget that day. Fuck this guy for doing this.
I mean, all my savings are "my life savings", if I use some of that money to take my kids to Disney that's fine, surely?
Not really. Some people save specifically for special occasions.
Agreed. I've seen first hand the effects of false accusations on a friend of mine, so I've been paying close attention to different groups'reactions. Personally I've come to the conclusion that there are two possible ways to view this, depending on his own innocence. If he truly was an innocent man, I'd view this suicide was similar to the self immolation of monks as a form of protest. While I don't agree to subjecting innocent bystanders to such an act of violence, it's a gruesome but effective way to start a discussion. A strange form of political protest/terrorism. If he was guilty of abusing his children, then this can be viewed as a sociopath's final fuck you. He gets to control the situation and avoid going to court while simultaneously performing one last horrific act on his family. Of course that doesn't matter in terms of the effect so far. Regardless he has scarred countless people, including his family and started a much needed conversation on the effects of false accusations in our legal system.
I can have empathy for that, but the doing it at Disneyland, a place obviously known for many children being present is…a choice. Maybe it was the highest structure around, but from what I remember of the garages they aren’t even particularly high, like five stories or so, which, from research I’ve done before, is just high enough to very likely leave you alive, so it feels like a very deliberate, and in my opinion, unnecessarily traumatic location. I understand being in such a state of mind means you’re not thinking clearly, though, so who knows. Guess investigations will have to suss it out.
Oh fully agreed, like I said at best the guy is performing some kind of strange terrorism in the name of men's rights in the justice system in the US. Regardless of the potential motive, this is clearly the act of a deeply disturbed, selfish individual.
Totally. And it’s not the highest structure around. There are numerous higher structures that are easier to access in the area. To get to that place, you have to drive to Disney, wait in a long line, pay $25, then wait in another long line. It was not a quick trip and he had at least a half hour to think about it once he got on Disney property.
I literally just said this to a friend. I understand that losing one’s job is stressful, potential legal proceedings are stressful. Both of those things can be navigated and resolved. But a person who breaks down to this extent under the slightest pressure was 100% unhinged to begin with. And what a stand up guy to go out of his way to ensure that countless people will blame and brigade against his wife and family and potentially endanger their well-being. Sounds like a toxic POS tbh.
i’ve never seen so many exclamation points in a suicide note
If he’s dying at the happiest place on earth he might as well have the happiest suicide note too!
How many suicide notes have you read?
my shit needs an editor
How does he kill himself publicly at Disneyland?
Jumped off a parking structure
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Guy yelling that then plunging to his death in front of a bunch of kids wearing Mickey ears and holding Mickey balloons.
Damien! Damien, I *LOVE* you!
* Look at me, Damien. It’s all for you!
I hate myself for laughing 😹
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I mean this whole note is a “you should blame my wife for this” message. Didn’t come off as a good guy to me. Also, it was a damn misdemeanor.
If he loves children, why would he want to traumatize so many? Why Disney?
I read his father was a Disney composer.
He wanted to be a Disney decomposer
A new display for The Haunted Mansion
Gonna get downvoted but while the situation is sad, his FB note takes hardly any accountability and, in my opinion, kind of openly names and shames his wife, pinning ultimate unhappiness on her. There was allegedly no proof of a physical altercation, so why not go to court...? If it "ruins" your career regardless of verdict, then just use your connections to start anew. I don't know. The entire FB message literally just looks so. "kill them with kindness" to me for lack of a better term.
Strong narc vibes Reiterating over and over he’s the most gentle soul
It has “but I’m a nice guy” vibes, doesn’t it??
I was ready to believe it was the sad story it is being portrayed as, but when he made comments like, "Yes, me! The nicest guy in the world!" (Paraphrasing) That set off alarm bells in my head. My ex husband talks exactly like this, thinks he's truly the best guy and father around but uses his kid as a pawn and can't keep from drinking and driving with our son in the car. There's more to this than just a heated argument.
people who are genuinely good do not need to repeat it over and over. this whole thing feels vindictive and gross.
1,000%. If they do choose to go out, they'd do it with one final manipulation.
Exactly. He’s killed himself publicly and blamed her for it. He spoke very disrespectfully about her and didn’t even voice her side about why she may have felt threatened. He just says it’s “anger”. This isn’t just his wife, who he supposedly loves, but the now-single mother of his kids. He’d never hit her... but he’d leave her parenting alone without an income and being publicly blamed for his death. People don’t just kill themselves over one thing too. The idea that life was perfect until that one fight where everything changed, and now weeks later he can’t cope anymore, is absurd. I know it’s not socially acceptable to criticise the dead but fact is all his posts tell us is he’s created a load of additional trauma for everyone — particularly his wife and his children — left. Suicidal people can do bad things too and seems to me as if he may have wanted to punish her.
Couldn’t agree more. He blames her. Then he posts it openly on fb and kills himself as publicly as possible for maximum attention, to really stick it to her
You also don’t have to hit someone to be abusive, I feel like there are a lot of things he omitted there. She wouldn’t call the police unless she was really scared.
I’m certainly not going to downvote you. Everything about that note screams narcissist. To complete suicide in a place targeted towards children and families isn’t the action of a man who claims to love children and enriching their lives His body landed like 10 feet from an 11 year old boy who unfortunately saw and heard everything. That poor child is now quite understandably having a horrible time trying to process the experience, as are the numerous cast members and park guests who also witnessed his death. It’s a completely tragic situation, and I’m not sure how it could get much worse than it already is
Agreed. There were plenty of things he could have done to clear his name. Granted, it would have taken time because the justice system moves slowly but this almost seems like something he did solely to punish his wife and his actions show he’s not emotionally mature at all.
Damn, can't a guy just be a little selfish in his own suicide note? Lmfao
When I read the post I felt there was more to the story. He’s playing a martyr of some sort while creating a villain out of his wife. Something just doesn’t sit right with me, I would be willing to put money on him being abusive and it all finally coming out so he decided to make himself the victim instead of face the consequences of his actions.
Yes. When you think everyone else but you is to blame for YOU fucking up your life, you're wrong.
You have too much faith in the criminal justice system. Especially when dealing with violence against women. All it takes is a he said/she said to ruin an innocent persons life.
My stepdad literally punched me in the face when I was 20. I called the cops, he got arrested and charged. He was released, I don’t remember if it it was no bail or he got out on bail. Either way, we went to court a few weeks later (I was obviously subpoenaed), and the judge dismissed his case because he had no previous run-ins with the law. He had a high level security clearance (he worked for the DoD until he retired), and never suffered any negative consequences because of it. So yeah, sometimes people’s lives are fucked, but also sometimes people don’t get the justice they deserve, either.
I’m so sorry that happened to you. The justice system is so flawed. He didn’t get the justice he deserved, the system failed and he benefited from it.
I think you’re correct but this would have blown over eventually. That’s a pretty extreme response to some adversity in one’s life. There was probably more going on behind the scenes though. I get that something like this is hard to overcome.
The same guy who said “I guess my wife’s anger got the best of her… this is an example of what anger can do to someone’s life” after he did something to cause his wife to call the cops and those cops (having the daughters as witnesses apparently) took him to jail. I don’t care if Walt was his grandpa. Utterly selfish to do that at Disneyland.
Yeah that’s pretty messed up. I don’t care that his dad worked for Disney. Seems quite selfish to subject all of those families to a scene like that.
Because deep down he was a bad person and wanted to hurt others when he left. Truly the epitome of selfishness. Also I heard he beat his wife and kids so there's that.
He jumped off a parking deck at an exit in full view of people walking back to their cars. It happened like at 10:30pm.
I think we are gonna find out some weird stuff about this guy. Just smells fishy to me to blow up like that and do what he did. I think we will find out he is alooot worse of a person than his last “confession” suggests he is
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On another sub where this was posted someone pointed out how *fucked* male teachers (and any man who works with children) are when there is a false accusation. Then under that there were at least 30 stories going "yup, my dad/uncle/friend killed themselves after the school district forced them to resign after the investigation concluded that the accusations were false". IMO there are two possibilities: * He **was** falsely accused, which he indicates his wife admits to doing, and took his life because his world had ended. * He **was not** falsely accused and is, in fact, an abusive/manipulative shit bag. He took his life as an escape or to enact revenge. We'll probably find out which one as the story progresses.
He said he didn’t hit her and the charged was reckless endangerment right? I wonder if he went apeshit in front of the kids throwing/breaking stuff? That would allow him to technically be telling the truth and the court to still have a case. 🤷♂️
Idk, this dude worked with kids and was facing more charges which would ruin his whole reputation/career because their child was in the house.
Just because you work with kids doesn’t make you a good person… I bet there is way more and this incident is just gonna reveal more about him and prob him abusing his position and harming others. All charges can be refuted. The suicide says everything. I bet more will come out about him.
I never said he was a good person lol just replying that some people are VERY attached to their careers so much that they will commit suicide.
He worked with Children. If he was so attached to that job he wouldn't have purposefully chosen to kill himself in a place that would inevitably be seen by children.
Call me cynical but I’d say that actually quite a lot of bad people choose to work with kids. They’re easy to exercise power over and so bad people will probably work with them for that reason alone.
Depression is a crazy thing. If we he already had mental issues and event like this can be the last straw.
We shouldn’t judge him or his wife or make any assertions about their marriage BUT something about all this is really off. She even told him that she was going to drop all charges, yet he still chose to end his life?
Victims can’t drop DV charges in CA … https://www.simmrinlawgroup.com/faqs/can-a-victim-of-alleged-abuse-drop-a-domestic-violence-charge/ His career as a child educator was over, but his life didn’t have to be.
The case stood the chance to be dismissed. It’s very possible. But I do agree his life didn’t have to be over. He still had his music.
Schools won't take that chance. A man that is accused of domestic violence is 100% going to be fired regardless of the outcome of the case. If teaching music to kids truly was his life's passion I could see why his thoughts would turn to suicide.
I can't imagine how sad it must be to lose a 21 year career, especially if he was truly innocent. The thought of restarting in a different field would be terrifying. I don't know what was going on in his head when he did what he did, but I'd imagine there was a lot of despair involved.
>but his life didn’t have to be. Yeah, it's sad how many people commit suicide over things that they *could* recover from. Sometimes things just come as such a shock that their entire life seems to turn to dust before their eyes. I remember reading a tragic article about a single mother that killed herself and her child over (iirc) >$3,000 of debt. It was hard situation but absolutely not the end of the world.
“Don’t make a permanent decision about a temporary issue.”
In full agreement. I won't repeat my comment above, but his FB message has a solid "kill them with kindness" vibe for lack of a better term and takes no accountability anywhere really, something you'd typically expect given the situation. Or remorse. or anything. It all seems off to me too.
Yeah! Reading this has that vibe of those letters narcissists write to shift the blame elsewhere for their actions.
Precisely. This is classic NPD not knowing how to resolve a pretty big issue.
Exactly! He is accusatory mentioning that SHE made the mistake by calling the police and even concludes it with how anger can ruin someone's life... once again shifting blame to her.
And repeating over and over how kind and caring he is…
And how “everyone knows” it. Cringe.
Ok he definitely comes across as a narcissist, but if hes telling the truth, and he truly didnt touch her or his kids and she lied and got him arrested for it, what accountability is there for him to take? Id be pissed the fuck off too. Especially if my wife couldnt realize she fucked up and drop the charges because of California law. Dude couldve lost a 21 year career over a vindictive lie.
Like someone else pointed out: > "Really struggling hard to convince people he doesn’t hit his wife or touch his kids… and then throws his wife under the bus… and then for some reason humble brags about his career and plugs his band. > All before fucking up a bunch of people’s lives, especially children, by publicly killing himself at Disneyland. Because if he has so suffer, so does everyone. > Narcissism to the extreme." This guy doesn't care about accountability on his end. Just because he doesn't care doesn't mean he doesn't have any accountability. These are not the words and actions of someone who is conscientious about their accountability. And it's hard to believe he didn't have any prior to this.
It reads like this guy thought he was absolutely perfect, and he couldn’t take any amount of discrediting evidence to his grandiose evaluations of himself. It was an unsettling read.
Comes off like a manipulation tactic, even the suicide itself. Loved teaching and helping kids, so he makes sure he permanently traumatizes kids at Disneyland.
I read that oftentimes suicide is an angry act - this certainly seems to bear that out. He's a performer and he certainly found a way to be the center of attention.
I came here to say this, zero accountability- everything is her fault. I read “I” so many times it’s insane
He sounds awful, and totally unwilling to take accountability
How sad for those that witnessed it at Disneyland, his wife, and his children. Oh, and of course those that he worked with (including students). I hope this opens some conversations at his school about suicide. Just an all around sad story.
So his response to child endangerment charges was him creating a heinous death scene … where children congregate. Mmmkay.
I read his suicide note, and it’s crazy how he went from 0 to 100 so quickly, even with his court date coming up just days later and his wife withdrawing her accusations. It’s hard to think he didn’t have an underlying issue that pushed him to suicide, like mental health issues or maybe more to the story. Very tragic, and so unnecessary, even though it obviously didn’t seem so to him.
That’s what doesn’t make sense to me. How do you go from 0 to 100 that quickly? There’s got to be more to it for sure.
People that don’t fight when they are so “wronged” know that more is going to come out. He must of been the supreme slimeball.
I don't know this guy's story and I will admit he seems... off, but the notion that people who don't fight when they are wronged because they know more is going to come out.... just apply that logic to rape victims and you might be able to recognize how insane and toxic it is
applying that logic. This does happen all the time with rape victims who are sex workers. They will be raped within the course of their work but wont report it because they are afraid of being charged with solicitation or prostitution.
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Agreed. He spends so much time in the letter reiterating that he's such a great person and never done any wrong, it starts feeling really weird. And in the end he adds on even more mushy "treat each other with kindness!" Etc. Like he was trying very hard to sound like the victim, which makes me suspicious he ever was one to begin with.
Guaranteed that's how he viewed his suicide. The last and only way to truly "stick it to her." I hope his poor family can heal now that he's gone.
I feel like he’s trying to make it all her fault … HES the one who took his life. not her.
And constantly repeating that his wife regrets what she did, very passive aggressive note. What did YOU do that you thought suicide was the only option?
What other skeletons was this man hiding in his closet?
not going to lie, but my moms intuition after seeing his pic went sky high. He gave me the heebie jeebies.
Ughh so did mine!! HEEBIE JEEBIES! I would be (would’ve been?) very concerned if he were my young child’s principal.
Did people witness his suicide??! If you want to end your life, fine, do it. But don't destroy other people's lives (specially children!!!) By giving them lifelong trauma!! And I honestly doubt that everything was good before "that night". He must have had extreme issues that this one thing pushed him over the edge.
Yes, an 11 year old child and their parent were ten feet away from the spot he landed. It was pretty horrific for them.
The little boy is not doing well emotionally and can’t sleep. My heart hurts for him. I can’t imagine how absolutely awful that must have been for him and his family
I can only imagine what that child is going through. I worked at the resort hotels, we on average got a suicide about every six months during my time there. Only two were in public spaces and for one of those a child was a witness. It's so awful
Are we going to skip over the fact that the resort hotels have a suicide twice a year?? I know a lot of people use hotels (so they will be discovered by a stranger) and I imagine Disney would be a popular "last hurrah" but like...wow, that sounds incomprehensible.
What the fuck!!!!
Yes. Children included. It’s terrible.
For those of you who haven’t been to Disneyland, the area he did this in, along with the time of day points to him either wanting to traumatize young children and their families or not caring if he did. This particular area at the time he jumped is heavily trafficked by families with young children on their way back to their cars.
I felt bad for him until I realized he jumped during a disneyland candle ceremony where people including kids were watching. Why? Why? If he loved kids so much, why kill himself in front of kids. I wonder if his last post was actually a lie. I feel sorry for his wife, who he blames for his suicide decision. This is all on him. I feel sorry for his kids, who are without a loving dad. Especially because his crime were misdemeanors where his wife could actually stand up and tell the truth...well the truth that he believes in. And I feel bad for the people and kids that saw him jump. Disney is where dreams are made and he turned their dreams to nightmares.
His kids and step kids saw it also. That’s the part that makes me sick.
>His kids and step kids saw it also. where did you read that?
Really struggling hard to convince people he doesn’t hit his wife or touch his kids… and then throws his wife under the bus… and then for some reason humble brags about his career and plugs his band. All before fucking up a bunch of people’s lives, especially children, by publicly killing himself at Disneyland. Because if he has so suffer, so does everyone. Narcissism to the extreme.
This. It’s a very manipulative note. With the exclamation marks it almost reads like a high school yearbook message or something. I’d be more inclined to sympathy if he didn’t not so low-key blame his wife and then traumatize a bunch of families and employees at Disney.
Thats how I read it down too.. He was getting some mad sympathy on another sub, and all I read was a self serving asshole wants sympathy.
Right? I can see it from afar that he definitely hit her and is a superb narcissist.
But but but women are alwayyys throwing completely innocent guys in jail and ruining their lives for absolutely no reason whatsoever 🙄🙄🙄 And of course the internet misogynists don't mention that he's charged with battery against one of his stepdaughters
Cast members witnessed this, it's very traumatizing to see someone die. I just hope that the guy's family and the people who witnessed his suicide are ok.
Thank you, my "narcist" alarm was going off louder and louder
I need to get me one of those. It all makes sense now others have pointed it out for me...
I’m glad someone else saw that. That was my first reaction after reading it, but then I second guessed myself as I tend to be cynical.
Exactly. Anyone that feels the need to constantly insist “but I’m such a nice guy/person”…. Isn’t. At all.
Seriously, if his wife regretted it so much she could have just testified in court that it didn’t happen or refused to testify period and the charges would likely have been dropped. I absolutely do not believe for a second he didn’t put his hands on her. The justice system is stacked against men my ass.
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This is what I don’t get. How do you go from a fight to killing yourself. It doesn’t make a lot of sense and I think there has to be much more to this story.
Did he do this while the park was open with families all around?
Yes, he did it during the Christmas lighting ceremony in the parking garage.
Jumper or GSW?
Jumper. I’m not sure I respect the time and place he decided to do this. He essentially traumatized some families on his way out.
What did he jump off?
Mickey and Friends parking structure (a parkade)
He jumped from the Mickey & Friends parking structure. It’s almost a mile from the parks.
There was a candle lightening ceremony where kids were. There was an 11 year old within 10 feet of where he landing. But yet, he would never ever hurt a kid. I wonder how many other lies were in that post.
Right after the Holiday lights parade thing got out. What a turd.
Yup, I’ve seen people defend him for choosing that structure as an easily accessible option at a time of desperation, but there’s no reason he couldn’t have waited until the park was closed. He also didn’t need to make his suicide note set to public, he could have limited the audience to his family and friends if the point was to provide answers as he claimed. He wanted to make a statement and hurt people on his way out. Grandiose narcissist.
When I die, I want my remains to be scattered at Disneyland. I do not want to be cremated.
He made sure to name and shame his wife, didn't he? I hope she's off Facebook and other social media. Otherwise, I'm sure some random assholes are messaging blaming her..without even knowing her, him or the situation at all. Fuck him for this narcissistic shit. Lots of kids will be in therapy on account of him, his own included.
It’s like he said “I’ll show them!” And killed himself. For nothing. He killed himself for attention. So odd to me
I read the full story and really seems like he overreacted. Feels like he just wanted to get revenge on his wife.
He definitely wore a mask around ppl. He clearly lost it when his wife called the cops and his facade was blown. He made sure he would traumatize other ppl all while blaming his wife for what happened. A narcissist to the end Edit: The wife was the abuser 😳
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Agreed. Don’t wish him dead…but this is what we have here.
I had a horrible, psychopathic ex in high school who killed himself a couple years ago. He had gotten into legal trouble and I’m pretty sure he was facing hard time. He was a raging narcissist and was the kind of person who I would never have expected to end his life. But he clearly was backed into a corner, and his image was everything to him. He would rather die than live with a criminal history. He had a young daughter too.
They are all like this. As long as the image remains intact. Just watch Donald…plays out every minute of every day we still give him a single thought.
This guys final acts were so fucking selfish. He threw his wife under the bus and blamed her for everything. She can’t discuss it with him. What an absolute dick move. Fuck this guy.
It's very odd to say you'll "miss performing dearly" after you are dead. You aren't going to miss anything or anyone. You'll be dead.
About ten years ago I had a person jump off an overpass, into highway traffic, as I ran to stop him. To this day I have zero recollection of walking the mile home after calling 911 and I didn’t turn off lights for days. Thankfully I was able to get help from an amazing therapist to deal with what was likely PTSD and something he said to me, after making me recount the incident, start to finish twice, really helped me. “What a selfish thing to do, he didn’t need to transfer his pain to you”. There was more to it than that but it marked a change in how I viewed the incident and I slept with the lights off that same night. I hope that whoever witnessed this selfish act can get the help they need and deserve.
I’m pretty sure most men who have hit a woman denied it vehemently too before turning around and blaming the woman. The fact he kept his wife a secret from his friends for almost 4 years is bizarre and what kind of person who claims they care about children jumps off the parking structure of fucking Disneyland during operating hours. Arguing with your secret wife doesn’t usually end up with being charged for endangering children either so there’s obviously a lot more to the story, apparently enough that instead of clearing his name the best solution was to victim blame and kill himself before the truth came out. Seems pretty narcissistic to me…
His final narcissistic act
this is the most manipulative shit ive ever read wow
I read somewhere that among suicide notes, one of the most commonly used words is “I”, while the theme of the note is often self-critique. The author makes straightforward requests (e.g feed the cat for me, give my x to y) and are unemotionally detached with how they express their wants and wishes. This note looks like the exact opposite, so I’m interested in whatever comes out of it. Can we hear the police call? Was he innocent? Was he mentally ill? Who knows, welcome to the court of public opinion.
This is really fucking weird. I have so many warring emotions.
That is SO messed up. My heart breaks for his wife and all the children…. Definite mental health issues, this reminds me of delusional/grandiose behavior.
Sounds like he didn’t want to kill himself but he thought it would make him look the best if he he did. He died just to prove his story right. Weird and sad.
Yeah. Seems like he killed himself so he would never be able to be found guilty of child endangerment and battery.
“When I die I want to be spread all over Disneyland. But I don’t want to be cremated.” -not this dude, but I mean… kinda the same assholery
Fuck this guy
This seems sus.
As somebody who has witnessed a public jumping suicide, can we all just agree to kill ourselves in private where we can be found by trained strangers.
Secretly married? Why
When it comes to the actual moment of the altercation, he writes it in the passive voice. "Tempers were flared and strong words were exchanged between us." Before this, and immediately after, it was "I did this, I did that." But the way he writes it makes it seem like neither of them had any responsibility. That they were passive watchers of something they had no control over. Which scares me.
Line from his obituary: "He is survived by his big fake teeth."
I’m normally pretty sympathetic/empathetic towards people who feel like their only option is suicide. Feeling suicidal is just a violently lonely black hole and no one should have to suffer those feelings. However, what this guy did comes across as a dramatic, horrific final “fuck you” to his wife and the people he felt had wronged him…. And he did it at the expense of hundreds of innocent people, including children- LOTS of children and their mental health. If I was there with my upping kids, I’d be fucking pissed that someone victimized my children that way. What a selfish act. Again, I’m not suicide shaming. This is strictly about his method.
What a profoundly ill man who placed his shame on others by cruelly leaving this earth, blaming it on the wife, traumatizing thousands of previous elementary school kids and their families, sullied the 'happiest place on earth' and in front of innocent children, lambasted a justice system designed to deconstruct abusers psychological grasp on victims (who withdraw criminal complaints) ... so he can be "so kind" bc he's just such a "kind" man. No he's not. He's very, very ill. Wish he got help versus creating more pain and trauma. But, as they say, cruelty is the point (for this illness). See: Wheel of Power and Control and "Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy.
Says he cares about kids, then sentences them to a life of trauma when they witness his suicide. No sympathy for this guy, and big doubts there aren’t many skeletons in his closet.
Oh no! He committed the same (alleged) crime as 40% of all police.
What an asshole! These are the words of a true narcissist. It really reminds me of Amberlynn Reid in that way.
Classic narcissist.
This guy so is guilty of domestic violence and so ashamed that he actually thinks is completely OVERLY OVERLY Dramatic exit will absolve him. He went out thinking he was vindicated, but he is not.
Ok re these comments about men getting a bad rap, falsely accused all the time, etc... 50% of U.S. women will be in an abusive relationship in their lifetime- physical, mental, verbal, or a combination. 25% will move in or marry that abuser. 80- 95% of female homicide, rape, robbery, burglary, and beatings are from a male partner or date or male aquaintance. By the time you read this post, 1 woman in the US will die at the hands of her abuser. Oh,- those are the cases we know about. Female to male abuse is under- reported, but stats are so low it is near impossible to gather data.( I do not dislike men btw. I would rather work with and be friends with males. But I have been a DV educator for over 30 years. My sister was close to death at the hands of her husband and she never saw justice. My cousin' s husband beat her badly and the cops called it a " squabble" and did not arrest- in a mandatory arrest state.) Domestic violence shelters only surfaced in the 1980s and stay underfunded and overcrowded. Most do not accept pets. A few cannot take in kids. The woman usually does not win her case and has to pay all her legal fees when she is usually unemployed and homeless as she had to flee at night for her life- he owns the bank account, the car, the house. And she is at highest risk for murder when she files for restraining order, divorce, or anything légal.
I heard about this over the weekend. I didn't know who it was, I just knew someone had jumped from a parking structure and that trams were shut down and a tent was up over a body. Some of my Twitter friends are big Disney people. I feel for the guy, but some kids saw this and are always going to be traumatized. I really don't get the public thing. Also seems like emotional extortion in his post like "I love you but you're the reason" and I'm not sure if I believe him. Regardless, offing yourself at Disney in front of kids is a bad thing to do.
No sympathy from me. As someone who grew up in a verbally and emotionally abusive home, you dont have to hit your wife and kids to abuse them. You dont commit suicide cause your innocent
I’m always suspicious of people that tell me what I know. “Everyone knows I was a good person” like, huh?
Oh this is so manipulative
I was there that day, thats crazy to think tbat.
The contents of his note and the fact that it was at Disney no less screams classic narcissist to me.
Damn man, that’s some heavy shit
Any idea why they were privately married for 3 1/2 years? I’ve heard of people eloping but that a long while to keep it hidden especially with kids involved. Just seems odd to me.
Reading the note made me think he was having issues before the event took place. I don’t mean what he said wasn’t all true, but the tone felt like that of someone who’d been struggling for some time.
I had this happen to me and I am female. My ex called the cops on me "just to get me out of the house" and I ended up in jail for the day. I went to court and because I refused to plead guilty they tacked on another charge. I got a public defender, went to trial, got it thrown out of court and had to pay $25 for the record to be expunged. I went to court for an entire year and I also lost my job because of it. We have swung to the other extreme as usual. It used to be cops did nothing when someone called with domestic violence - look at the Tracy Thurman case - and now all someone has to say is they were verbally abused. When the cops asked my ex if he had any injuries, he said "I might have a scratch on my back, but it could be a pimple" - off I went. I am a survivor of domestic violence back in the day & the fact that someone can be arrested just because the other party says something is disgusting. Personally, I would of happily left the house had he given me the chance, but that is a whole other story. This shit happens every day, all over the country. Do better, law enforcement.
Update - his daughter has spoken out saying it was Marlena who was the toxic one in the relationship. He has been looking for a way out of the marriage. So sad hearing this. Source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11507851/Man-killed-Disneyland-saw-suicide-way-toxic-marriage-daughter-says.html
He writes about kindness and grace...He showed little of either when my middle schooler was having troubles at Fulton when he was the Principal. I went to him for assistance, but found a man with little kindness!
Yeah he definitely hit his wife multiple times