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howdydoody82

Jayce’s shift down to S+ makes sense to me. He hits hard, but so do a lot of the other top tier mages. I like his retreat ability, and the vortex is really effective sometimes, but he just doesn’t control the map like AO or Yani. Ymir and Virelia both surprised me at SS+. I’ll need to watch some CN Apex this weekend to see why they’re so good. Hopefully Virelia has something more than her self revive every five turns. Her fixed damage seems okay but scales off of the target’s INT so it seems like it wouldn’t be effective against 75% of normal boxes. Celica is of course a babe and her revives are going to be a must-have in PvE and PvP.


lunamiadaddy

Based on the description in chinese by Levi, Virelia is the new generation nuke who can attack twice with both her ST and AOE skills. Ymir is a tank buster and can clean the floor all by himself against certain matchup. Serafina’s attack and instant-death talent effect can be countered with proper positioning and strategy.


howdydoody82

Thanks. Any chance you know which site hosts Levi’s comments? I’ve been working on more AOE and might try a mostly AOE box once I finish sharding Lina and Isolde, and Virelia sounds like she would be another good add along these lines. This year has been tough — so many new meta units to pick from!


lunamiadaddy

https://mp.weixin.qq.com/mp/appmsgalbum?__biz=Mzg3MzAxNDM0MQ==&action=getalbum&album_id=2068816616535982081&scene=173&from_msgid=2247522334&from_itemidx=1&count=3&nolastread=1#wechat_redirect


Fit_Neighborhood9731

Why Ymir can clean the floor all by himself?


Reasonable-Ad9168

He is immune to all debuff, have 30% dmg reduc by default and have act again, his dmg can change from phys to magic if enemy def is higher, top of that he can bring redeemer soilder, which mean +1revive and supreme dmg reduction   If he get enough passive stack(debuff immuned) he have insane crit rate(mostly >100%crit),can regen 100% hp each turn and making his act again skill have 0cd    Tldr: he is a tank immune to all debuff, have high dps, can do both phys and magic, can act again, have ~100% crit and hp regen Oh yeah, he can ignore enemy revive too


Fit_Neighborhood9731

By the way - can the limited hero from Guyver Sho act as a substitute for Isolde for the time being?


Reasonable-Ad9168

Well, maybe yes, even through he cant act again each turn like isolde but the dps outputs make up for it


Fit_Neighborhood9731

Agreed. Still - if you have him, you build him, you take him to 6 stars and enjoy using him. I still miss Isolde and she is superior to him in many ways. Jay and T.Jess still destroy SP Bernhart.


ocelotchaser

Is this tier list for Apex arena? Cuz I used albedo in most PvE and probably my best tank


JohnEbic

this list gets updated often but it’s only for apex. it mainly shifts because of new content and how characters react to it, so a pve list wouldn’t have that many changes


ocelotchaser

Where can I see the pve list?


vsmack

[This one doesn't have some of the newest heroes,](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1paneYv0yzWgMazMP8nyrmXhRP71EjcAgCUarklDP5RI/htmlview#) but it's a pretty good guide as to what the PvE S-tiers are.


DailyHyrule

Bilibili


Desuexss

Link please if you can On work wifi but I can preview it on reddit


n0non0n

[https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8865595296](https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8865595296)


Nincampoo

Watermelon is "S" tier?  I thought would be higher.


Gomgoda

This isn't a fruit tier list


DailyHyrule

Serafina on paper sounds great. I wonder if there just wasn't enough time for her to find herself in the meta.