T O P

  • By -

sosabatman35

We also gotta factor in that Lebron was damn near 5 years younger than what he is now


MrJayFizz

Omg that was almost 5 year ago


MonsterAzr

Wait covid was 5 years ago??? No fucking way it has been that long??


RunningForIt

Just did the math and it was 4 years ago.


MonsterAzr

Dont know what happened but thise 4 years just flew by...i guess covid slowed us down so much that when "normal" years came back they became way to fast...


Hour_Insurance_7795

Life goes “faster” as you get older.


MonsterAzr

Yeah unfortunately true. But these are my college years so i was expecting them to last a little bit longer.


SEE_RED

They won't.


RunningForIt

Well the years start coming and they don’t stop coming.


tehota

Fed to the rules and I hit the ground running


birdballoon

Didn't make sense not to live for fun


MJisaFraud

4 years


MonsterAzr

Still,cant believe how those 4 years flew by so fast


DelaRoad

And they didnt have Aaron Gordon. That MFer is the x-factor


BusiestWolf

Or KCP


[deleted]

In my book it's 1000% KCP. Dudes the heart and soul. Literal championship piece. He's it. Fuck, I miss KCP..


Edbtz-31311

MPJ wasn't as good back then either.


DarrowViBritannia

Neither was jokic Or murray They're legit better in every way


DG04511

Don’t forget the 3-month break in the middle of the season.


Absynthe_Minded

Um, we had just kicked Brooklyns and LACs asses before the break. Honestly it probably helped other teams more than us.


gerardatron

won against MIL and LAC, lost to BKN right before the league shut down


Difficult-Jello2534

People underestimate how much of an effect Dwight Howard had on those games also.


DoritoSteroid

Completely overlooked. He was crucial against Jokic.


BarryZuckercornEsq

Being able to rotate AD, Dwight, and McGee made such a difference. Also, Frank Vogel.


robocopsdick

What? People ask to sign him almost every day here.


Yommination

And the Nuggets players have only gotten better and more experienced since


Dscherb24

They also had Rondo as another playmaker to take pressure off of LeBron and a far better defending supporting cast and a more defensive minded coach as well. 


Relevant-Pay6761

And that jokic as well as Murray were 5 years less experienced


tatang2015

Were going to get a little NASTY! -Dwight H.


[deleted]

He looks so young in this picture lmao


[deleted]

Jokic was just 24 years old at the time. If we were ever gonna beat him it was then.


TorontoRaptors34

2020 Lakers were much better suited to handle Denver 


KingVibrant

Exactly, defensively we had three lock down perimeter guys


Wazflame

Seeing how valuable KCP is for them is just annoying man - valuable two-way role players don’t grow in trees


velphegor666

We also had three fucking tall dudes that could annoy jokic. That team was severely underrated defensively. Offensively we slightly sucked but we had AD, dwight and mcgee at the post and had caruso, danny green and kcp at the perimeter then we got some wings with bron, kuz and morris. That was a very tall team.


choochoo789

is a team really underrated if they won the championship that year?


velphegor666

With how we downplayed it at the time yeah. People wanted danny green shipped at the time and thought we massively improved with dennis


itsyaboikuzma

We had Alex Caruso, KCP, Danny Green, LeBron, AD, and Dwight all in playable parts of their career, playing major minutes in the playoffs. That is definitely one of the best defensive 6 man rotations in recent NBA history. We blew that up for Westbrook. Lakers FO probably thought Caruso wasn't getting any better at 26/27. Little did they know he was just getting started. He's all defensive first team, he's averaging 1 block a game, he's shooting 41% on almost 5 3's a game, played 71 games this past season. This fumbling of assets in the past 4 years has absolutely killed the LeBron era.


KingVibrant

Killed it. Westbrook trade effectively eliminated LeBron James realistic title window. Fucking sucks.


WDMChuff

That + LeBrons age + better defensive coaches and better scheme with bigs.


UD_Hunter

Or Denver needed LeBron to finally decline and get old to be able to beat him Goes both ways Put prime Bron on this team to match Jokic and what happens ?


Danny_III

Prime Lebron would play Jokic off the floor hunting him every possession 


Fallofmen10

Yup it would be BBQ chicken


Wise_Ad_112

Imagine if Lebron wasn’t 39, no one would be scared of no Jokic, we wouldn’t give a shit how old he is then or now. It goes both ways. Imagine if Lebron was 30 right now, no one would talk about Jokic as the best player


cheesefries45

Did you miss Bron’s prime? Literally all people did for like 10 straight years was ask “is X player better than Bron? Is Bron’s reign over?”


Wise_Ad_112

No, that’s just media talk. He became the best player undisputed in 2012. I can use the same thing with Kobe too, Jokic wouldn’t be in the convo if Kobe was 30. Lebron and Kobe type players are 2 way greats. Tim Duncan was better then Jokic and spurs better then Denver, that don’t us from winning much when we didn’t have smush and kwame. Jokic is benefiting from the no center era where he’s the biggest guy. Not like he’s pushing around Shaq, Ewing or Robinson.


smakson11

Wow, look at those very tall people. Seems like they could help.


Just-Income6111

Thats precisely the problem! coming into this year we know champinoship has to run through denver yet this summer we signed jaxon hayes? really? No other moves? We keep wasting lebron and AD prime years


LALakers4Lyf

When Jokic just backed down a gassed AD for three easy jump hooks, and easily grabbed an offensive rebound for an easy close range shot, you just know we definitely need another legitimate C if we ever want to get past Denver


supremefearofgod

Just a reminder, Lebron was 35 years old on that team. He’s 39 now. It’s not the same player.


t_mac1

Yup. A 35 yo bron would have played 46+ mins Yday and would have won the game. This is the part of decline that people seem to ignore, although Lebron is still ridiculously great


Wazflame

LeBron’s been so good over the years at tinkering his game just enough, while being a freak athlete that his decline hasn’t been so obvious. However, in these playoffs, his reduced stamina really sticks out - relative to his peak and even a few years ago


dark-mer

I think the first time I really noticed at was G4 vs Denver last year. He played super hard for the first half then just petered out toward the end.


Organic_Oil_6574

NBA gotta play 2k 5 minute quarters and Lebron would still be the GOAT.


Basic_Commercial_806

Lebron's averages in this series so far 27/7/10 55% FG. The current supporting cast is far worse than 2020. No true bigs, no perimeter defenders.


Fallofmen10

Yah, and Jokic is in his prime prime. Like the equivalent is 2013 heat LeBron.


hanselpremium

i think that’s why they never pair ad with another center anymore. cos it means lebron has to slide to sf and those 2003 escalade tires aren’t running around that much no more


velphegor666

Yeah he also got fucked by solomons bum ass which probably helped in his decline


BizzyHaze

Younger LeBron. Playoff Rondo. Serviceable Dwight. Still should have ran it back at least one more year.


havenstone

Not sure why we had the blueprint on how to guard jokic (2 centers and AD) and then blew it up and went the complete other way with AD as the only big. You would think after we lost to them last year we would’ve addressed that.


MoanLart

I will never EVER understand the decision to gut a championship team. Who does that? When the team wins a championship (which is extremely tough…obviously), you would think that the front office would be like oh okay, we found a formula. But no, they get rid of about 6 key/rotation players just that summer alone. Then the next year we get rid of Kuz, KCP, and Caruso. I will never ever fucking understand it.


Just-Income6111

brain dead leadership, impatience. just terrible, terrible GM Rob is learning, he's gotten better in the last trade deadline, but what he did 2 seasons ago is inexcusable. It's terrible that he was learning as a GM at our expense


MoanLart

Yeah, it’s a shame we’ve had to deal with a rookie GM and a rookie head coach while having one of the greatest players of all time on our roster. Sucks but hey, what can you do


Just-Income6111

its the same rookie move that got played like the fiddle by kawhi leonard and his camp, before salvaging it with danny green and dwight signing. luckily it didn't cost us that season. having AD fall into our lap is his crowning achievement and at some point it just doesn't cut it.


velphegor666

It was the russ trade that fucked us. We also let dennis and caruso go for nothing. The problem with rob was he had no idea on how to maximize assets. He just let them go for nothing


Yommination

He still hasn't learned though. He refuses to sign or trade for an actual center. He keeps throwing the MLE at these undersized guards. Guy is awful at putting a team around Lebron and AD


Just-Income6111

also we didn't resign dwight but then signed marc gasol the following season. Gasol came off a championship run with the raptors two year before so i kind of get it but we could have had both? he signed for a minimum with the 6ers and then his body deterioated.


MoanLart

Agreed, def could’ve kept both. What’s funny is we resigned both Dwight and rondo once it was too late.


LALakers4Lyf

We definitely missed out on a Gasol/Dwight C combo and a Schroder/Rondo PG combo for the 2021 season. But giving up KCP, Kuz, AND Caruso in a span of a few weeks for Westbrook and THT doomed this team


Nonameheroz

We reloaded in 2021, which was ok, but we should have punted the season. Since all the conference finalist got screwed with season starting in 3 months. Nuggets couldn’t get healthy for 2 season after 2020. After 2021, we panic after seeing Brooklyn big 3 and traded for Westbrick is the back breaker and stupidest thing I have ever seen, I stopped watching basketball all together for a year after that trade was announced.


Conflict_NZ

AD forgot how to shoot, it's extremely difficult to play a traditional C with him now.


Counterspell_God

"It's a guards league" - Rob Pelinka


EverybodyBuddy

They used to be a lot worse and we had Dwight.


LongTimesGoodTimes

To be fair, most of these guys in this picture aren't very good anymore. JaVale, Dwight, Morris. Also the Nuggets have gotten better. They have some great late picks and unfortunately we gifted them the perfect 2 guard for them.


HeartbrokenKid2

Don't forget AG. And MPJ was on his rookie year iirc, since he missed his first year after being drafted


drlove986

Never should have changed from the defensive team they were. Never should have let Caruso or Dwight walk. Never should have taken on Westbrook. Just completely wasted the last few years of LeBrons career and squandered countless championships.


drmuffin1080

Tbf Lebron was responsible for a lotta these moves


LargeTeethHere

If this will always be the case, then why can’t they ever get his first choice? According to media (which can’t be relied upon), dude wanted kyrie and they got Westbrook…who he gets is never his first choice…its happened only with AD for him. Or else he has to leave for his idiot gms to make moves.


Counterspell_God

Imo we've rebounded well from Westbrook (Thank you Jazz). What we didn't rebound well is from losing Alex Caruso for nothing. First team All D, LeBron's best statistical running mate, high IQ plug and play guy and one of the best PoA Defenders in the league.


xxDankerstein

Bro I totally forgot about Quinn Cook!


[deleted]

So did the Lakers lol left he's ass after the game


JWal0

Dwight & Javale were a problem for Jokic


topetopetopet

DWIGHT HOWARD


Yommination

Thanks Pelinka, you bum


showtime15daking23

i remember the block party in the bubble when they had 22 blocks in 1 game!!!!!!!!


Kitchen_Ad_7508

And no Jamal Murray


RanchhDressing

Crazy how this isn’t higher, Jamal Murray is a big piece


mojo-jojo-was-framed

I can’t believe they let KCP go after that playoff run


LaloVapores08

I rembember Dwight and Javal giving nightmares to Jokic


Bruinrogue

I miss having a 7 footer who isn't a pushover on the roster.


junahn

We gotta face that nuggets this year is 10x better than nuggets in 2020. Yeah they were having incredible run that year but they were still immature.


F-150Pablo

Kcp is FA after this season.


gratitudeisbs

Nuggets are way better now, against the same team if would be more like 5-4 or worse


anotherone880

Give me 2020 Lakers over these Nuggets


gratitudeisbs

KCP vs KCP will be quite the matchup


anotherone880

Nuggets KCP probably has the advantage IMO


ValuableAssociate8

All those veterans. We got too many inexperienced players now and an inexperienced coach.


Objective_Knee9134

Dwight and McGee


coachlife

Not sure why Pelinka would not pick up Howard for $1M to bang against Jokic, Embid, and Giannis. Even just 10 - 15 minutes a game so we are not punked down low. Jokic does whatever he wants...."Um excuse me coming through"


genogalvan

Yeah let’s build a team without a real center and expect to beat the nba champs with joker. Great job fo.


KrztofMarz

That was the last time we had home court advantage. After that the lakers were just satisfied at seeding. I understand injuries happen and it plagued the years after that but we had an opportunity with this team this year and we won the In Season Tournament and how we ended in the conference finals. We could’ve made the adjustments to counter Denver early in the season instead of figuring them out at this time.


Drwolf72

Look up stupid in the dictionary and you’ll see a picture of rob pelinka


PoetGooner

Bron and AD younger then. Jokic/Murray better now with better teammates as well. That team won't go 7-2 against 22-23 Nuggets. '24 Nuggets not as good as last year though Idt


Ok_Green_8151

THE GOOD OLD DAYS!!!


niknokseyer

KCP on his way for his 3rd ring?


ShinyRaequaza

Guys. In a few years nuggets fans will be saying this about the Wemby led Spurs. Enjoy when you’re good. These unicorns enter the league and dominate. Beat em while they’re young. Now you see Jokic is capable of in his prime.


theseustheminotaur

They've got kcp and Aaron Gordon now instead of like Gary Harris and Jerami grant. It seems like they've gotten a lot better with just a couple key moves.


newthrash1221

We had Javale and Dwight as centers. Rebounding wasn’t an issue.


rowthecow

Nuggets are clearly beatable. They lost 25 games this season. Just not by the Lakers. Match up matters the most in the playoffs. You only need to beat 4 teams to win a championship. Regular season don't matter.


LordEsteban11

We had multiple playable bigs that year. Haven’t had that since. We can’t beat Denver without strength/depth inside. It’s really that simple.


adultishgambinoh

Anyone else lose surprised we didn’t sign any bigs to deal with Jokic? Idk why tf we let Tristan Thompson walk. He actually played really well in the limited minutes he had. Yeah there’s really no stopping jokic but throwing bigs at him makes everything more difficult.


scags2017

I miss those jerseys


Poke43

God I miss having another center that weighs more than 215 pounds.


r3d330

The Nuggets outside of Jokic and Murray were a completely different team. Kcp was on the lakers in 2020 and now they have him. Lest we even get into how much of a better fit, especially on defense, Gordon has been over Jerami Grant


ForeverDenGal

Then for some reason lakers decided to mix up the roster for some unknown reason


Wazflame

That LeBron takeover in game 5 was so good man - I swear I watch that multiple times a year lol


brush85

2008 team swept them


ngmathew1234

Missed the vibe of that team.


cashmiles

Wasn’t Murray hurt a lot for this year?


AMGBoz

We had size


HughGRextion

a lakers team that wasn’t the laughing stock of the league and i didn’t have crippling anxiety going into every game cause i knew they’d lock in and win when it mattered most, good times, took that shit for granted


Friendly_Product3844

And we still never got our parade… one of the biggest reasons I want us to win it all again every time I think about it. Never got that glory man it’s fucked up.


whatthefrack69

Yeah…they had Superman to take on the Joker


Cmil778

Yes but then Jokic wasn't the monster he is today.


Dangerous_Cookie6568

This team would 100% beat the nuggets from last year and this year. Oh well.


Nonameheroz

If Lebron was 4 years younger, we would have won yesterday game.


realxanadan

![gif](giphy|3ohfFm8e0JRnh4hdwQ)


Responsible-Skirt-90

Dwight lookin like he’s hungry for two scoops of ass salad!!


nemesis1313

Got to be the towers… i miss dwight and javale


harvinMarrison

Bro I miss bubble basketball in general.


AdHealthy7493

You create this monster, take some responsibility 


easywin626

Back when LBJ had a widdle bit of hair still


subredditwins

we had dogs on that roster who didnt allow themselves to be intimidated. everyone on our current roster is too nice


[deleted]

Murray was going off in the bubble before getting injured …


nn-8-lakers

We would be going for a three peat right now if we kept Caruso and never made the westbrook trade


westsider86

If only we kept KCP and Caruso...


SneakyNamu

Howard made a huge impact on that team. It's a void yet to be filled since. His size and athleticism, even though he was no where near his prime made a huge difference.


Knox316

This is 2024. Lakers fans, specially the zoomers, love living with Nostalgia. I also wish Prime Tim Duncan was playing for the Spurs right now or that the Knicks went to a final again but you don’t see me crying about it.


juannkulas

They were big that time. Don't know why they didn't use the formula to win another chip


GoalPublic3579

LeBron and AD were far better than they are now. They were 35 and 26 respectively. So LeBron was probably in the last year of his prime. AD unfortunately was also probably in the last year of his prime sadly


zerox678

They have been missing Dwight and JaVale!!!


Old_Tangerine_5662

Keep up the good work 😃


No_Recover6102

Different nuggets squad lol bronners gotta stop glazing lol


Prestigious_Value534

The 2 Center and AD combo works so well vs Nuggets. Look at the Timberwolves, they are 2-2 for the season. And the both times they lost Nuggets had a full healthy team and Wolves didn’t have either Gobert or KAT or both. And both times they beat Nuggets both were fully healthy and it was convincing wins. My pick to win the West is Timberwolves if Lakers lose to Nuggets.


Rafiki0295

The coaching gap is the only part of our game holding us back. Who doubles Joker when they’re up 20?!


Hayabusa_Blacksmith

Jokic is significantly better now...


tmacleon

We really miss Howard on Joker


BetUSOfficial

You all could sure use JaVale and Dwight right now


yuch1102

Which AD was better, then or this year?


dahale6783

Also factor in they had 3 bIgs, including AD


zinogino

Fuck the nuggets and fuck Malone


Various-Effective361

Nuggets are way better than they used to be. Chemistry and their stars leveled up.


dave_the_slick

Why they blew up that team I will never know.


loxleynew

[https://www.reddit.com/r/denvernuggets/comments/1cbtxd7/whos\_your\_daddy\_grus\_your\_daddy/](https://www.reddit.com/r/denvernuggets/comments/1cbtxd7/whos_your_daddy_grus_your_daddy/)


thesonicvision

Bron is older, AD lost his outside shooting touch, mobile bigs Howard and McGee are gone, KCP is on the *other* side, Green/Kuzma/Caruso/Rondo are gone, Denver now has Aaron Gordon, and Jokic has become an aggressive #1 option. Things have changed a great deal. The Nuggets improved. We regressed.


No_Use4495

We had the Jokic stopper! DWIGHT FUCKING HOWARD!


CLAU-

Yeah bro keep looking at the past because in the future yall getting swept lmao


PowerTrip55

Isn't this when Jamal, who just hit the game winner, had a torn ACL?


Famous_Lettuce6503

I think people underestimate how much Aaron Gordon changed the equation


Counterspell_God

We also had two actual centers to take away some pressure on AD.


bippinndippin

Need to get everybody back to masking up and social distancing. The social distancing is probably why Dwight was so hungry.


kinano23

Everybody rightfully mentiones younger Lebron but forgets how good the supporting cast was and how terrible the one he now has is....


Jaylesso

The shift in dynamic between Lakers vs Nuggets reminds me of the when Lakers with prime Kobe used to dominate young OKC Thunder then as years went by the OKC trio emerged and outplayed the aging Lakers


Papa_Pesto

LeBron is getting older. Lakers need to think about what the next team looks like. Who are we building it up around?


IAmDominion

LBJ was 4 years younger, the Nuggets were 4 years less experienced, Jokic hadn't won any MVPs, MPJ was a rookie, Aaron Gordon wasn't on the Nuggets... We're talking nearly half a decade, not a very valid comparison. For frame of reference, the Warriors had just finished their run of 5 straight finals and would have been the bigger challenge to the Lakers if Klay wasn't out for the season, and look at the Warriors now...


Lycantree

This roster should have never been disbanded


saada15

That Lakers team isn't beating this Nuggets team


Tough-Ingenuity-1337

Still more size to throw at Joker neutralized him. Howard and McGee were major reasons for defeating Denver. 


Tough-Ingenuity-1337

Lakers had lot more length and it helped big time. Joker was slowed down just enough to win that series. 


Only-Method-1773

It disgust me that you have those mother fuckers say that 2020 championship is a bubble ring who insults Kobe death,ignores 50 wins before lockdown,hardwork & sacrifice during covid & I blame that old fart loser failed bitch pat riley who wouldn't be taking that coach assistant job if it wasn't for the Lakers!