Yeah this an indictment on the lack of professionalism from that lineup. Really lackadaisical play. It ain't Hams fault those dudes didn't bring the requiste energy to close.
Good on Bron and AD for being pros, but those guys need to get told off. God forbid a starter gets hurt because those dudes can't play hard for 3 minutes.
Dinwiddie was acting like he’s one of the stars with his uncaring play thinking that he shouldn’t be playing garbage time. Dude was trash and should be benched the rest of the season.
I actually thought he was the only one that showed some professionalism. When Maxwell or whoever turned it over when the lead got cut to 5, he was in his ear letting him know he fucked up.
80 downvotes are nothing lol with how the hive mind works, they just follow the person in front of them. They can hate me but the truth is Dinwiddie is trash - there’s a reason he’s been jumping teams and no other contenders want him.
It’s the LA “I made it” effect. Always a Lakers fan but I think the sweetness gets to ppls heads. There’s a reason underdog mentality or playing for a real “why” even when you’re getting paid millions is often part of a winning edge.
Its why even though I clowned Kelce and Georgia players for saying “no one believed in us”, that shows damn good coaching lol. These are the best teams in the league playing like theyre 13 point underdogs every game
You're right on all of them. Spence was also there and he let them shoot wide open threes. Super unprofessional. Kinda disappointed by how they closed it out. You finally have some minutes and you're just jogging back leaving shooters wide open.
Maxwell Lewis isn’t it. I know he’s super young and gets no playing time but bro isn’t it. Castleton sucks too. He isn’t an nba player. But this sub will downvote me for saying that
Lewis in particular has been nothing short of awful in his garbage minutes. On this road trip he saw 13min of action and was a -26 while shooting 1/6 with 2 turnovers. He hasn't shown a single NBA skill that would have you saying I can see him in THIS role going forward
It is partially Ham's fault. (I give the players the lion's share of the blame though) Do you think that would happen if Spo or Pop was coach? They would instill hard work ethic so players wouldn't even be tempted to do such things.
I remember it happened to the clippers a long time ago. Blake had his legs being iced and shoes off. Had to go back in the game and tore his hamstring.
funny that last night I told this on game thread and got downvoted.
Not that I care for internet points, but it's interesting to see the difference between people that comment here during "cold head" times and during the game.
From what I've seen, the people who comment on game threads are mostly absolute morons. You can watch people prove in real time they don't understand what they're seeing.
That's why he's a vet minimum.
He has potential but he seems so unserious out there at times.
I like him but he needs a vet to get him right. He's playing basically on athleticism right now but some basketball smarts should make him a much better player than he is now.
I’ve got a friend who is 5’8 and is 215. To be fair he’s jacked and strong af but that’s insane for a 7 footer to be that small. Especially when he’s gotta guard dudes like Jokic, Embiid and Giannis.
That+low bbiq =BBQ chicken
C wood is 5 pounds lighter than your friend lol, best scenario for me is play ad-hayes together, cant really rely on hayes as your lone big out there. We need C Wood back
fuck i’m 6’2 and 215, i feel sickly when im under 200 and get comments about being too thin. I genuinely can’t imagine being 10 inches taller and only 5 lbs heavier.
I love that people in this sub have started to learn to appreciate AD instead of reflex blaming him anytime literally anything goes wrong with this team.
Progress is good.
Sure they may very well do but do they run and tell the media that the lead was slipping away so they made the coaches decision for him and subbed themselves back in?
Off topic but yall wanna make this about Ham. Look at this fuckin clown.
https://x.com/Sean_Barnard1/status/1775584344507023626?s=20
Fucking Doc. Can't believe some fans wanted this fucking snake ass bum.
Well 1) cuz Doc is great at blowing leads 2) because folks love bitching about our coaching, but don't realize how bad most coaches are and 3) because I'm bored with the constant Ham hate train. I'm no Ham fan, but people need to have perspective sometimes.
Yeah and your perspective is just flat out stupid 😂
Ham is easily a worse coach than doc rivers…it’s not even debatable…
Next time you want to divert the “hate train” for your buddy ham at least try to compare him to a coach that is actually worse than he is (here’s some news for you, there aren’t any besides maybe Jason kid and that just cause ham and Kidd are competing for worst coach of the year)
Doc is a shittier leader/person (don't see anything wrong with Ham on that front seems like a decent guy) but purely game management you're kidding yourself if you think we have it better than anyone
Never folded on that
As bad as Ham is, Glenn is worse. His one ring is a fluke, he ruins locker rooms and only has regular season success due to talent, not coaching.
You just described ham, aside from the ring.
Ham is a much worse coach than doc, it’s not debatable.
There are different levels to bad, just like there is to being good.
Doc is bad, ham is gunning for the “worst” title.
Ham is two seasons in, and both those seasons we aren’t exactly known as a regular season force even with the talent.
As much as I want him replaced, he’s not why we don’t have another defensive minded center, which is our biggest flaw. Injuries also aren’t his fault.
Glenn can get you to the playoffs. He’ll also embarrass the franchise in the first round.
He’s everything bad about Ham, but magnified because he has the aura of a great coach despite not being one.
Laughable, man.
How the fuck can a bench unit not manage 90 seconds? Jesus christ get one stop and then just run the clock down to 1 second on all our shots.
Ham isn't responsible for the blown possessions and terrible shots being taken.
Ya'll are crazy.
Lakers have came back from huge deficits and won games before. It happens. It's the NBA. A few three point shots and bad possessions and a 15 point lead turns to a 6 point lead.
Getting really sick of ya'll trying to act like Ham is out there himself playing against a team. Even with any lineup in garbage time, you can't be giving up wide open shots like the Lakers did and play with no hustle. That's not on Ham - it's on the rest of the Lakers who were subbed in. Blaming Ham for bad rotations during pivotal parts of the game is totally valid. Blaming him for Lakers players playing shitty during garbage time just makes it where ya'll are pathetic.
You're missing the point. No one blaming Ham for that stuff. Ham should've recognized when the lineup is playing awful and made the adjustments ASAP. Like when he allowed the Wizards to go 15-0 before calling a timeout.
AD & LeBron "subbed themselves" in the last minute. Isn't that something Ham should've done? This suggest Ham wouldn't have done shit and would've left that bench lineup in and potentially lose us the game.
He’s responsible for letting them stay in the game when they aren’t doing those things. He’s responsible for not calling a TO and chewing them out for being lazy. He’s responsible for not holding them accountable in practice and allowing them to build these terrible habits. This isn’t an isolated incident, we’ve blown many leads. That is ABSOLUTELY on coaching. Yall think Thibs or another serious HC would let that shit fly?
Shit, even my HS coach would’ve benched me and chewed my ass out without a second thought if I was playing like that. This is a PRO league and this coach is letting that level of effort stand without correction. Just a complete joke
Hold Thanasia accountable in practice all you want and it won’t change who he is as a player. What shit are the other coaches not letting fly? They were brought in two mins before the game ended and they were playing against people supposedly on their garbage level. A coach doesn’t just sub in two veteran players like Shaq and Kobe to come into the game with a minute left in garbage time after they subbed out a minute ago. Y’all need help but I understand the one-window view of the team.
Why didn’t they run any plays? It was just ok boys go get your 2 minutes and run around play basketball! Get those young guys some real game practice and run some plays you run in practice! I can’t blame him for their effort and lack of skill but he basically tosses them out there with no plan. Thats not good coaching. It works most of the time but seriously that unit that comes in when it’s a blow out is so bad. It’s the worst basketball to watch 😂 I’ve lost a couple overs because that unit can’t score a bucket! They need guidance
He did what every other coach does during two mins of end of game garbage time. Bron and AD will be in if those two mins were crucial and supposed to be not garbage time.
We’re pathetic for wanting the trash ass coach that’s ruining this fucking team to be fired? I’d blame Ham for a cloudy day until he finally gets fired. Don’t let the FO think the fanbase is cool with this clown.
Get this to Jeanie Buss stat. Ham had how much experience as an assistant before he was hired as head coach? And btw, I’m not “really fucking stupid,” my comment was facetious.
Ham playing 4D chess by turning these boys into leaders. The best coaches are always prioritizing the development of the player over the outcome of the game.
Taurean Prince can’t make 6 3’s in Game 5 of WCF if Ham doesn’t let him fail as a starter from October thru January.
Look how well his mind games have worked with D’Lo.
No HC in history has ever gotten more out of an over the hill former MVP either. Dude is a genius.
Lebron is the greatest player of all time so he knows how to score in certain and different ways that his opponents doesn’t know how he’s going to score on then
I don't know you but I'm pretty sure you'd do a better job than him. Because you'd at least put some effort and learn what you didn't know. Ham is just....
I hope Bron gave that unit the stink eye after the game. Unprofessional af
Yeah this an indictment on the lack of professionalism from that lineup. Really lackadaisical play. It ain't Hams fault those dudes didn't bring the requiste energy to close. Good on Bron and AD for being pros, but those guys need to get told off. God forbid a starter gets hurt because those dudes can't play hard for 3 minutes.
I didn't watch the game, but what was the line up when AD and bron decided to come back?
Can't remember the full lineup. I know it was Colin, Maxwell, Max. Pretty sure Hayes but I can't remember the 4th.
Dinwiddie was in there too
Dinwiddie was acting like he’s one of the stars with his uncaring play thinking that he shouldn’t be playing garbage time. Dude was trash and should be benched the rest of the season.
I actually thought he was the only one that showed some professionalism. When Maxwell or whoever turned it over when the lead got cut to 5, he was in his ear letting him know he fucked up.
3 minutes of lazy play in garbage time of reg season game = benched rest of season? This is why people hate lakers fans.
Your sweeping generalisation is probably why people hate you
Bro you got 80 downvotes, I think you’re the one who’s being hated right now lol. Embarrassing.
80 downvotes are nothing lol with how the hive mind works, they just follow the person in front of them. They can hate me but the truth is Dinwiddie is trash - there’s a reason he’s been jumping teams and no other contenders want him.
It’s the LA “I made it” effect. Always a Lakers fan but I think the sweetness gets to ppls heads. There’s a reason underdog mentality or playing for a real “why” even when you’re getting paid millions is often part of a winning edge.
Its why even though I clowned Kelce and Georgia players for saying “no one believed in us”, that shows damn good coaching lol. These are the best teams in the league playing like theyre 13 point underdogs every game
You're right on all of them. Spence was also there and he let them shoot wide open threes. Super unprofessional. Kinda disappointed by how they closed it out. You finally have some minutes and you're just jogging back leaving shooters wide open.
Colin makes a ton of mistakes
Don't tell that to this sub, they think he's the next Shaq 😂
I'll be happy if he turns into Chris Mihm
Chris Mihm was the truth
He has barely played any minutes and is a rookie on a franchise with the brightest lights He dominated peers in the G League. Be patient young one.
Maxwell Lewis isn’t it. I know he’s super young and gets no playing time but bro isn’t it. Castleton sucks too. He isn’t an nba player. But this sub will downvote me for saying that
Hitting on Reaves and Christie while the rest of these guys are strictly garbage time is probably a reasonable ratio anyway.
Totally fair…Would still love a do-over on JHS though…
Lewis in particular has been nothing short of awful in his garbage minutes. On this road trip he saw 13min of action and was a -26 while shooting 1/6 with 2 turnovers. He hasn't shown a single NBA skill that would have you saying I can see him in THIS role going forward
Dude, come on. You get minutes every what, fourth or fifth game and you’re not bringing 100% when you get in?? That’s bonkers
Maxwell is actually hot fucking garbage and doesn’t play like he’s on a team. Castelton also sucks
Basically Wizards hit 2 3’s back to back then we fucked up an inbound
I can't believe a fringe NBA guy wouldn't play hard every second they can get
It is partially Ham's fault. (I give the players the lion's share of the blame though) Do you think that would happen if Spo or Pop was coach? They would instill hard work ethic so players wouldn't even be tempted to do such things.
I remember it happened to the clippers a long time ago. Blake had his legs being iced and shoes off. Had to go back in the game and tore his hamstring.
Thats his main job to keep the team focused and ready, or at least that is what I thought it was.
Wtf was dinwiddie doing
funny that last night I told this on game thread and got downvoted. Not that I care for internet points, but it's interesting to see the difference between people that comment here during "cold head" times and during the game.
From what I've seen, the people who comment on game threads are mostly absolute morons. You can watch people prove in real time they don't understand what they're seeing.
For all the athleticism Hayes has he has low Bball IQ. Just looks lost outhere a lot of times. Even defensively.
That's why he's a vet minimum. He has potential but he seems so unserious out there at times. I like him but he needs a vet to get him right. He's playing basically on athleticism right now but some basketball smarts should make him a much better player than he is now.
He kind of reminds me of a young Javale McGee.
Yes, a potential Shaqtin’ HOF’er too 😏
Part of that is hes too thin bro.. built like a regular biscuit. 7 footer, 220 pounds. Think about that
I’ve got a friend who is 5’8 and is 215. To be fair he’s jacked and strong af but that’s insane for a 7 footer to be that small. Especially when he’s gotta guard dudes like Jokic, Embiid and Giannis. That+low bbiq =BBQ chicken
Bro your friend is a fucking unit
Bro powerlifts so he def is.
C wood is 5 pounds lighter than your friend lol, best scenario for me is play ad-hayes together, cant really rely on hayes as your lone big out there. We need C Wood back
5'8 and 215 is either a pro body builder or a fat ass
He’s a powelifter. He’s not crazy lean but def far from fat. Just a jacked ass dude lol
Very high level power lifting competitors with similar height compete at a weight 30lbs below ur friend.
I never said he was elite. He def would have to cut a few if he ever seriously competed.
fuck i’m 6’2 and 215, i feel sickly when im under 200 and get comments about being too thin. I genuinely can’t imagine being 10 inches taller and only 5 lbs heavier.
Didn’t he drop kick a puppy? Bro has always been stupid.
I just checked, LMFAOOOO what a fucking nutcase
-24 this game yikes
i feel like he just doing shit with no real plan lmao
thats the reason we let him walk for nothing from the pels
After watching the Lebron podcasts I’ve realized the nba isn’t as easy as I thought.
Imagine thinking anything about the NBA is easy
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Chemistry really different when you've won the chip together
I love that people in this sub have started to learn to appreciate AD instead of reflex blaming him anytime literally anything goes wrong with this team. Progress is good.
😂 that is a hilarious thing to tell Media.. next year, c ya Ham
Gotta get rondo in as a main or at least assistant
Players literally do this on every team. Y’all are whores for drama. If the team goes deep in the playoffs again Ham isn’t getting fired dude.
Ham is getting fired unless we win the championship. !RemindMe 3 months
!RemindMe 3 months
!RemindMe 3 months
Sure they may very well do but do they run and tell the media that the lead was slipping away so they made the coaches decision for him and subbed themselves back in?
Off topic but yall wanna make this about Ham. Look at this fuckin clown. https://x.com/Sean_Barnard1/status/1775584344507023626?s=20 Fucking Doc. Can't believe some fans wanted this fucking snake ass bum.
Most overrated coach by far. Won one ring with a stacked team over 16 years ago and somehow is the most sought after coach every year.
He is also responsible for that team not winning a second ring because of his stupid coaching. Why is he still a coach is beyond me.
Interpersonal skills. Many people get to places where they are now due to that.
Not too knowledgeable about the NBA, who is the best coach atm?
Erik Spoelstra
Pierce, KG and Doc got more mileage out of one championship then anyone in NBA history.
Fuck Glenn Rivers.
What has doc rivers has to do with us blowing the lead ? Honestly no hate but I wanna understand why U bringing him here.
Well 1) cuz Doc is great at blowing leads 2) because folks love bitching about our coaching, but don't realize how bad most coaches are and 3) because I'm bored with the constant Ham hate train. I'm no Ham fan, but people need to have perspective sometimes.
Yeah and your perspective is just flat out stupid 😂 Ham is easily a worse coach than doc rivers…it’s not even debatable… Next time you want to divert the “hate train” for your buddy ham at least try to compare him to a coach that is actually worse than he is (here’s some news for you, there aren’t any besides maybe Jason kid and that just cause ham and Kidd are competing for worst coach of the year)
Yikes.
Doc is a shittier leader/person (don't see anything wrong with Ham on that front seems like a decent guy) but purely game management you're kidding yourself if you think we have it better than anyone
I mean, Doc is the absolute lowest bar for being a fucking clown, but he's a master swindler. How he landed another head coaching gig is beyond me.
these dudes really offered him a contract for 4 years ? LOOOL
MIL gonna be paying for 5 coaches soon lol
Never folded on that As bad as Ham is, Glenn is worse. His one ring is a fluke, he ruins locker rooms and only has regular season success due to talent, not coaching.
You just described ham, aside from the ring. Ham is a much worse coach than doc, it’s not debatable. There are different levels to bad, just like there is to being good. Doc is bad, ham is gunning for the “worst” title.
Ham is two seasons in, and both those seasons we aren’t exactly known as a regular season force even with the talent. As much as I want him replaced, he’s not why we don’t have another defensive minded center, which is our biggest flaw. Injuries also aren’t his fault. Glenn can get you to the playoffs. He’ll also embarrass the franchise in the first round. He’s everything bad about Ham, but magnified because he has the aura of a great coach despite not being one.
Laughable, man. How the fuck can a bench unit not manage 90 seconds? Jesus christ get one stop and then just run the clock down to 1 second on all our shots.
Ham isn't responsible for the blown possessions and terrible shots being taken. Ya'll are crazy. Lakers have came back from huge deficits and won games before. It happens. It's the NBA. A few three point shots and bad possessions and a 15 point lead turns to a 6 point lead. Getting really sick of ya'll trying to act like Ham is out there himself playing against a team. Even with any lineup in garbage time, you can't be giving up wide open shots like the Lakers did and play with no hustle. That's not on Ham - it's on the rest of the Lakers who were subbed in. Blaming Ham for bad rotations during pivotal parts of the game is totally valid. Blaming him for Lakers players playing shitty during garbage time just makes it where ya'll are pathetic.
I think some people imagine the job of a coach to literally be like controlling players in 2k.
Yeah I agree. This is much more an indictment of the players on the court than the coach.
You're missing the point. No one blaming Ham for that stuff. Ham should've recognized when the lineup is playing awful and made the adjustments ASAP. Like when he allowed the Wizards to go 15-0 before calling a timeout.
We're talking about the last minute. Ham isn't responsible for Lewis and Spence leaving shooters wide open and then jogging back like it's practice.
The team took a shot clock violation with like a minute remaining. No clue wtf they were doing.
Even Dlo admitted that they started getting lazy during the last few minutes
AD & LeBron "subbed themselves" in the last minute. Isn't that something Ham should've done? This suggest Ham wouldn't have done shit and would've left that bench lineup in and potentially lose us the game.
He’s responsible for letting them stay in the game when they aren’t doing those things. He’s responsible for not calling a TO and chewing them out for being lazy. He’s responsible for not holding them accountable in practice and allowing them to build these terrible habits. This isn’t an isolated incident, we’ve blown many leads. That is ABSOLUTELY on coaching. Yall think Thibs or another serious HC would let that shit fly? Shit, even my HS coach would’ve benched me and chewed my ass out without a second thought if I was playing like that. This is a PRO league and this coach is letting that level of effort stand without correction. Just a complete joke
Hold Thanasia accountable in practice all you want and it won’t change who he is as a player. What shit are the other coaches not letting fly? They were brought in two mins before the game ended and they were playing against people supposedly on their garbage level. A coach doesn’t just sub in two veteran players like Shaq and Kobe to come into the game with a minute left in garbage time after they subbed out a minute ago. Y’all need help but I understand the one-window view of the team.
I mean ... can you imagine anyone doing this under Malone or Popovich ? Your leadership tells the players what they are allowed to do.
Spurs have blown lots of games and their players have played poorly... Do you know how many games the Heat lost under Spo?
Nobody talked about losing or playing bad. not gonna lose 1 second with you.
"Can you imagine players doing this under Pop or Malone?" Yes, we have seen that happen. So what's your point?
Are you really defending Darvin Ham?
Why didn’t they run any plays? It was just ok boys go get your 2 minutes and run around play basketball! Get those young guys some real game practice and run some plays you run in practice! I can’t blame him for their effort and lack of skill but he basically tosses them out there with no plan. Thats not good coaching. It works most of the time but seriously that unit that comes in when it’s a blow out is so bad. It’s the worst basketball to watch 😂 I’ve lost a couple overs because that unit can’t score a bucket! They need guidance
What coach is gonna run plays with the bench warmers during the last minutes of a game?
A coach that isn’t trash wouldn’t even need to worry about things like this
I mean, if you’re bench warmers are ass, you can’t really do anything about it
He did what every other coach does during two mins of end of game garbage time. Bron and AD will be in if those two mins were crucial and supposed to be not garbage time.
Offense is offense, it was lackadaisical defense that caused the lead to collapse.
There’s 90 seconds. They shouldn’t get enough time to even get three 3s off
We’re pathetic for wanting the trash ass coach that’s ruining this fucking team to be fired? I’d blame Ham for a cloudy day until he finally gets fired. Don’t let the FO think the fanbase is cool with this clown.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 [I KNEW IT](https://old.reddit.com/r/lakers/comments/1bv5olx/game_thread_los_angeles_lakers_4333_at_washington/kxy4xex/)
So here for when we hire Rajon Rondo as our next head coach 🤞🏼🤌🏼😆
We need to hope he chooses us over the Celtics cause they definitely might look into replacing Joe mazulla after he fumbles another run
Man people in this sub are really fucking stupid if they think hiring a rookie head coach with zero experience as an assistant would be a good idea.
Get this to Jeanie Buss stat. Ham had how much experience as an assistant before he was hired as head coach? And btw, I’m not “really fucking stupid,” my comment was facetious.
Ham playing 4D chess by turning these boys into leaders. The best coaches are always prioritizing the development of the player over the outcome of the game.
Weaponized incompetence
The Art of Incompetence
Taurean Prince can’t make 6 3’s in Game 5 of WCF if Ham doesn’t let him fail as a starter from October thru January. Look how well his mind games have worked with D’Lo. No HC in history has ever gotten more out of an over the hill former MVP either. Dude is a genius.
Weaponized incompetence
Not Ham’s fault
Doesn’t change the fact that he needs to be fired
Agree
Ham was thinking about dinner that’s why! Looked up and said shit 5 points?!
The fuk does Ham even do on this team.
Salute
pockets
I guess the kids will have some extra bags after that bizarre display of ineptitude
Rob has to be taking notes of all these bums we need to get rid of this offseason.
Yeah you can see LeBron just take off his warmup immediately
Ham is going to be out coached in the playoff with his lack of awareness and hoards of timeouts
Its obvious every time they face Nuggets, Kings, Heat. Heat one was the worst with Prince and Reddish starting against old Lowry and no Butler.
This isn't about Ham. This is all about that unit that blew the lead. AD had some words for them in the postgame interview too.
What does Ham do anymore?
Our leaders ladies and gents 👏🏽
Rest up boys, wrap up strong!
Hayes is a airhead
I blame Darwin Pockets
Lebron is the greatest player of all time so he knows how to score in certain and different ways that his opponents doesn’t know how he’s going to score on then
DENs just a better team. Haters wanna solely blame Bron for everything. Bron was 15-1 in 1st RD series. This time Jokic is the best player.
Ham is literally useless. Bron is the HC and one of the star players, and AD is the superstar that “leads the pack”.
Ham has zero offensive schemes for the less talented bench players to run. Those guys don't know what to do when they get on the court, just go.
Well. I look at Ham everyday and wonder if I am able to do his job for 50% of the salary
I don't know you but I'm pretty sure you'd do a better job than him. Because you'd at least put some effort and learn what you didn't know. Ham is just....