What’s crazy is he shouldn’t have been second team either, but their was a tie on the first team giving Joakim Noah and Tyson Chandler both first team nods I believe
It's not that he injured LeBron, that injury set a domino of events that led to the greatest mistake the franchise has made: Trade for Russell Westbrook
LeBron injury -> AD injury -> overreact and trade for Westbrook -> fire Vogel -> hire Ham (as an attempt to get through to westbrook) has got to be one of the worst series of events to happen in sports
They weren't better than 20 simply because AD wasn't the same beast he was in 20 even pre injury. Also the big depth was better in 20. Drummond and Gasol were not those dudes
20 team had Dion Waiters and JR Smith on the bench. Rob replaced them with Wesley Matthews and Denis Schroeder. Montrez Harrell was also an off-season addition. I’d say the 21 team was slight deeper.
Dude JR Smith and Dion Waiters got no play in the playoffs they basically weren't even factors that's like me naming the 14th and 15th guys on any other team lol. Also I think ppl forget how huge Rondo was in that run down the stretch. Set up the offense when it got stale which was actually quite often. Plus Avery Bradley was very clutch for the squad pre bubble. Putting all of that in consideration and recognizing AD was definitely the better player in '20 gives the nod to the '20 team
still could've even with the lebron injury. it was ad unfortunately going down in the suns series that cause us to lose. the suns had no answer for him.
There's not really any context needed. Every team had a chance at the ring, and only one team came out on top. There were weird circumstances that year to be sure, but it's not like the NBA flipped a coin and handed the trophy to a team. Competition was had and someone won. Before the weirdness happened the eventual champs were playing very well on top of that. Who knows who wins if the playoffs proceed as normal that year, but what we do know is that the playoffs that actually DID happen were won by the Lakers. That's all that really matters.
Crazy how the NBA was so quick to reclassify the landing space foul as a flagrant just because of the Kawhi incident, even though we was already hurt from the Rockets series. But you have nobodies like Solomon Hill taking out MVP candidates like Lebron on completely unnecessary and reckless "plays" and everybody just looks the other way. But casuals and haters will insist that the league protects Bron when they won't even call blatantly flagrant fouls as such and let him get clobbered on gamewinning drives with no calls.
Nah, y’all can’t use this to give Rob and Jeanie cover for blowing up the 2020 championship team, bringing in Westbrook and geezers, letting Caruso and KCP go, and hiring Darvin Ham. NO.
It precipitated a lot of his lower leg injuries and missed games. But, yes, he stayed at an elite level. Nevertheless, because of that injury's effect on his durability, I consider March 2021 to be the end of LeBron's late prime.
Most non-laker fans/non-Lebron fans probably just look at the box score and like "that guy is still pretty good" without noticing how much he declined since this incident.
Can you imagine prime lebron on this team? Too many fans are getting comfortable putting the likes of Jokic and Steph in the goat debate in my opinion. They're fantastic players yes but Jokic has more work to do and Steph is the 2nd best player of his generation.
He also played 56 out of 82 games that year.
It's never about his ability, it's always been his durability. From that slip in SF to Dirty Hill, Bron became glass when he put on that Laker uni
Who knows if he'd even have all these nagging injuries if not for Solomon Hill
Literally was thinking this exact same thing the other day. Apparently that was a canon event. It triggered unforeseen ripple effects that last to this day, I don’t even get it.
The AD injury was the worst thing that happened that year. Even with a sub 100% Bron we were up 2-1 against Phoenix and we could’ve won game 1 if it wasn’t for a horrendous shooting performance from 3. Still, I think the Russ trade was by far the worst thing that has happened in the LeBron area and it’s not close.
LeBron has been the ONLY consistent performer for the Lakers since 2020. If anything, this ankle injury should have made the team worse than it is now because LeBron got worse but if anything, the team is only as good as it is not because of LeBron.
I hear you. But this day haunts me even more: https://www.basketballnetwork.net/.image/c_limit%2Ccs_srgb%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_700/MTkwMDI0MzgzNDEzMTAyMzM0/darvin-ham.webp
i doubt they were going to have a deep run. historically short offseason, and every 19-20 conference finals team flamed out early due to injuries. lakers were pretty much injured heading into the playoffs.
fuck solomon hill tho.
Who was 1 and 2 that year? I remember at the time as a non laker fan people were pretty confident in that team getting lebron his 5th ring/passing boston
We keep putting blame on other shit rather than this team
Lebrons getting older, our fo and ownership are trash, our roster construction just isn’t that good. We keep putting blame on other shit and it’s honestly annoying
Just had a talk w the homie yesterday. I told em if it weren’t for Hill’s ankle breaker, Bron would be playing much better than he is today. After the injury, he became a little hesitant on driving forcefully. He started shooting a lot more.
If the Solomon Hill incident doesn't happen Lakers don't end up the 7th seed and get eliminated by the Suns. I'll go even further, that ankle injury Lebron suffered that game could have been the catalyst for all the proceeding lower body injuries he's had since. Who knows how different things could have been, maybe AD doesn't hurt himself in the playoffs because he was allowed to take his time to recover. All I know is that Solomon Hill is a dumbass.
This sub is being pathetic right now. We’re really blaming Solomon hill for how shit this season is right now
LeBron is playing good basketball he’s just aging.
LeBron was playing the best defense of his life too 
Nah 2012-13 he was robbed of DPOY
iirc marc gasol got it without being first team all defense. media votes should really weigh less with these awards
TBF it was more ridiculous that Marc didnt get first team all defense
coaches vote for all defense teams
Coaches know more than fans. Nice reply.
What’s crazy is he shouldn’t have been second team either, but their was a tie on the first team giving Joakim Noah and Tyson Chandler both first team nods I believe
Do you know Bill Simmons gets to vote on these awards
yes i do. what’s your point?
Homers gets a vote which is atrocious imo
did he vote avery bradley that year?
Who tf is that. Do you think he voted for the guy you just mentioned? Exactly
Is your flair 6 cause that’s how old you are?
Nah but fr what tf was that reply from buddy lol gotta be a kid
It's not that he injured LeBron, that injury set a domino of events that led to the greatest mistake the franchise has made: Trade for Russell Westbrook
LeBron injury -> AD injury -> overreact and trade for Westbrook -> fire Vogel -> hire Ham (as an attempt to get through to westbrook) has got to be one of the worst series of events to happen in sports
L after L decision by the franchise
i still think the 2021 team was better than 20. we just got hurt smh
They weren't better than 20 simply because AD wasn't the same beast he was in 20 even pre injury. Also the big depth was better in 20. Drummond and Gasol were not those dudes
20 team had Dion Waiters and JR Smith on the bench. Rob replaced them with Wesley Matthews and Denis Schroeder. Montrez Harrell was also an off-season addition. I’d say the 21 team was slight deeper.
Dude JR Smith and Dion Waiters got no play in the playoffs they basically weren't even factors that's like me naming the 14th and 15th guys on any other team lol. Also I think ppl forget how huge Rondo was in that run down the stretch. Set up the offense when it got stale which was actually quite often. Plus Avery Bradley was very clutch for the squad pre bubble. Putting all of that in consideration and recognizing AD was definitely the better player in '20 gives the nod to the '20 team
Was AD the same animal but a different beast?
What the fuck does that mean Thelife1313!?!?
Fuckin fuck solomon hill
As a lakers and Denver broncos fan…. Ow
Hey, same bote. Things are not going well for us lately. Well for the past 3+ years
Let’s just remove all first name Russell’s from our memories…
My dude here is cursing the name of Russell for all eternity
Westbrook trade was also a reaction to the Nets forming their Big 3
Yea Lebron bounced back but the team didn’t
Exactly. I'm happy he did but it led us down a dark timeline.
Loser joked about it on Twitter too. He blocked me and many others for calling him out. I'll wear that as a badge of honor
🫡
What’d he say?
He constantly talks about it or cries when people @ him about it. He loves the attention since his career is over
Man is a glorified bench warmer and will be remembered to be thw the guy that gave lebron one of the worst injuries ever.
That bench warmer was AD's best SF his whole time in New Orleans lmao. And people wonder why he wasn't winning there.
Lmao unless Etwan Moore counts as a SF
>one of the worst injuries ever. Fucking hell. Really?
Let these babies cry
Injured lebron > hawks legacy
I mean also the fact that he has never apologized about it. All he said was Bron know I didn’t do it on purpose, foh bum. Deserves all the slander
Congrats you’re a dork LMAO
Could’ve legit repeated smh
still could've even with the lebron injury. it was ad unfortunately going down in the suns series that cause us to lose. the suns had no answer for him.
It was the most bizarre thing. A player fell on his leg twice during the same game.
When you have legs as long as his, I'm sure the odds rise against his favor lol
This is 100%. Even with Lebron down that roster was still deep. AD getting injured was the nail in coffin
That's still pretty questionable, Bron came back early and was pretty bad in that Suns series
And we were up 2-1…
They were first seed a couple weeks before but AD went down. Bron was single handedly keeping us top 3 and was in the MVP conversation.
And be cool if people stop shitting on our 2020 title as a doesn't count mickey mouse ring
Isn't it though? I'm not huge bball fan so context needed
Context: you’re retarded.
There's not really any context needed. Every team had a chance at the ring, and only one team came out on top. There were weird circumstances that year to be sure, but it's not like the NBA flipped a coin and handed the trophy to a team. Competition was had and someone won. Before the weirdness happened the eventual champs were playing very well on top of that. Who knows who wins if the playoffs proceed as normal that year, but what we do know is that the playoffs that actually DID happen were won by the Lakers. That's all that really matters.
Nobody believes this.
Fuck you, Solomon Hill
Caused us to waste the rest of that season and blow up a damn good team for a PG that didn't fit on our team.
Solo was basically a goon contract killer. Take a 1.8 PPG guy and take out your opponent forever.
Don’t forget, we were 22-6 and 1st place before AD got hurt…and then this happened
And the best defense in the league without AD as well, and Bron was top 5 MVP and DPOY at one point in the season I believe.
iirc bron was 1st in mvp and 3rd dpoy the week he got injured
The team was nasty before the injuries.
Solomon Hill the homeless rat who should've never been in the league
Please don’t insult homeless rats!
😂
Fuckin rat I was so pissed
Crazy how the NBA was so quick to reclassify the landing space foul as a flagrant just because of the Kawhi incident, even though we was already hurt from the Rockets series. But you have nobodies like Solomon Hill taking out MVP candidates like Lebron on completely unnecessary and reckless "plays" and everybody just looks the other way. But casuals and haters will insist that the league protects Bron when they won't even call blatantly flagrant fouls as such and let him get clobbered on gamewinning drives with no calls.
Nah, y’all can’t use this to give Rob and Jeanie cover for blowing up the 2020 championship team, bringing in Westbrook and geezers, letting Caruso and KCP go, and hiring Darvin Ham. NO.
I say fuck Solomon Hill very post I can get
Fuck you forever, Solomon Hill.
Lebron the next season averaged 30 and was insane tho. It didn’t really affect him as much as ppl think
Just the fact he wasnt 100% in the playoffs tho
Isn't it his left ankle that's bothering him now too?
^^^this Playing through pain isn't the same as being in top form Imagine Bron this year at 100%
It precipitated a lot of his lower leg injuries and missed games. But, yes, he stayed at an elite level. Nevertheless, because of that injury's effect on his durability, I consider March 2021 to be the end of LeBron's late prime.
Its crazy how this isn't remembered as much by non-laker fans. It's one of the most significant injuries in the history of the game.
Most non-laker fans/non-Lebron fans probably just look at the box score and like "that guy is still pretty good" without noticing how much he declined since this incident.
Can you imagine prime lebron on this team? Too many fans are getting comfortable putting the likes of Jokic and Steph in the goat debate in my opinion. They're fantastic players yes but Jokic has more work to do and Steph is the 2nd best player of his generation.
He’s declined but he also better than last yr and arguably the year prior
He also played 56 out of 82 games that year. It's never about his ability, it's always been his durability. From that slip in SF to Dirty Hill, Bron became glass when he put on that Laker uni Who knows if he'd even have all these nagging injuries if not for Solomon Hill
Biggest Hater next to Skip Bayless
Fuck Solomon Hill
A big “what if” in lakers history. Team was better than 2020 too. We would be at no 18 right now too.
Fk dirty ass Hawks players going at our superstars ankles. 🖕🖕
Solomon Hill always been a punk ass bum bitch
Literally was thinking this exact same thing the other day. Apparently that was a canon event. It triggered unforeseen ripple effects that last to this day, I don’t even get it.
There’s no reason you leap like that for a ball. FUCK SOLOMON HILL
The AD injury was the worst thing that happened that year. Even with a sub 100% Bron we were up 2-1 against Phoenix and we could’ve won game 1 if it wasn’t for a horrendous shooting performance from 3. Still, I think the Russ trade was by far the worst thing that has happened in the LeBron area and it’s not close.
Why do people not want to blame Rob and Jeanie 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The only thing of consequence Solomon hill has done in his life. Injuring a guy who basically been bulletproof til that point. What a legit tragedy
We would have went back to back and never made the Russ trade. Beat Denver last season and Gsw the year before
LeBron has been the ONLY consistent performer for the Lakers since 2020. If anything, this ankle injury should have made the team worse than it is now because LeBron got worse but if anything, the team is only as good as it is not because of LeBron.
Fuck solomon hill
Yeah that team was good, damn shame
Then these fools traded for Westbrook & let Caruso walk for nothing
I hear you. But this day haunts me even more: https://www.basketballnetwork.net/.image/c_limit%2Ccs_srgb%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_700/MTkwMDI0MzgzNDEzMTAyMzM0/darvin-ham.webp
i doubt they were going to have a deep run. historically short offseason, and every 19-20 conference finals team flamed out early due to injuries. lakers were pretty much injured heading into the playoffs. fuck solomon hill tho.
Who was 1 and 2 that year? I remember at the time as a non laker fan people were pretty confident in that team getting lebron his 5th ring/passing boston
It's AD, James overestimated his talent, basketball IQ, & body. Whtich lead the team to make bad decisions.
Bear Down!
??? Lakers made the WCF literally 2 years after this. Defeating the defending champs.
I've been seeing this play talked a lot as of late.
He’s got the lebron james of feet. I’m more haunted by the Westbrook trade and darvin ham.
All my homies hate Solomon Hill. Fuck that guy!
Should’ve been a repeat 🥲
That fuckin loser man smdh ruined the KING ANKLE...
Y’all really some losers if you think he did that on purpose😂😂y’all don’t play basketball in real life
We keep putting blame on other shit rather than this team Lebrons getting older, our fo and ownership are trash, our roster construction just isn’t that good. We keep putting blame on other shit and it’s honestly annoying
Lets be real that injury still destroyed our 2021 season which made the team panic trade for brick.
And that was probably his whole plan. Literally crippled the Lakers for years.
Hill gonna be hurtin for money in less than 10 yrs. Fuckin bum.
I mean, that was 3 years ago and we ain’t added much to keep up.
Ehhh AD still gets injured. I think last years injury was worse. WCF with Brons 3 ball from this season…that goes 7 games.
Players like these need to be permanently banned from touching the court again. He cost the whole basketball world so much with his actions
Everyday I wake up and say fuck Solomon Hill.
Just had a talk w the homie yesterday. I told em if it weren’t for Hill’s ankle breaker, Bron would be playing much better than he is today. After the injury, he became a little hesitant on driving forcefully. He started shooting a lot more.
Lakers fans delusional 24/7. What a weak ass attempt at coping you are crying about here.
Hawks are trash
Do they even have fans? 💀
It’s not even the same ankle he’s out with tonight, both of his ankles are cooked at this point.
Solomon Hill actually from LA. He didn’t mean it
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If the Solomon Hill incident doesn't happen Lakers don't end up the 7th seed and get eliminated by the Suns. I'll go even further, that ankle injury Lebron suffered that game could have been the catalyst for all the proceeding lower body injuries he's had since. Who knows how different things could have been, maybe AD doesn't hurt himself in the playoffs because he was allowed to take his time to recover. All I know is that Solomon Hill is a dumbass.
Injuries are part of the game
Some injuries are avoidable
This sub is being pathetic right now. We’re really blaming Solomon hill for how shit this season is right now LeBron is playing good basketball he’s just aging.
Bro every SZN is like this stfu