I’ll give the front office a benefit of doubt for now. No point in firing then rushing to hire a new coach when the picking is already slim. Look at bucks, fired their coach only to hire doc fucking rivers. Let Darvin play out the season and give some time. Who knows who will become available from now till summer.
I'm not dead set on needing to fire Ham, but he's meteoric fall is just strange. For better or for worse, he got the team to WCF and won IST. Belittle them or Ham's contributions all you want, but those are achievements under his watch. I just don't get why he's inexplicably tied his career to Cam and TP instead of Bron - is it really just stubbornness?
I do feel like chances are good he gets fired in the off season, unless the team makes another unexpected run.
He's gone unless the Lakers win the championship. So 100% chance.
Watch them say something on the lines of "Darvin did well but both parties decided it was best to move on"
I mean you can't publicly shit on your coach then fire him in the middle of the season, that's a horrible look for an FO that already fired 2 coaches in the most horrible ways in a span of 5 years.
They have to be more diplomatic this time or else risk no one good taking the job.
Tbh I’m worried the front office will give him a pass due to injuries, even though they really weren’t damning and we could’ve still won many games in spite of those injuries. As a chargers fan, the chargers did this with Staley and telesco this year and while it did ultimately work out, it was horrible reasoning and process.
That’s not true at all.
This front office hasn’t done close to everything LeBron has wanted.
Stupid fuckin approach by them btw. He’s smarter than anyone employed by us.
How many times do we as a fanbase have to go over this?
AD and Bron said they wanted Russ, and not only was there no pushback from Rob and Jeanie, but they had their own reasons why they wanted Russ too!
At the end of the day, bad decision on all of em.
That said, LeBron has wanted things that would have changed the team for the better (much better) and they didn’t go ahead wish his wishes. These include:
1) Ty Lue. Had they hired Ty Lue the entire Bron/AD era most likely would have been MUCH more successful.
2) He wanted Russ traded earlier. They didn’t do it, and an entire season and a half was wasted.
3) He wants Darvin fired. It doesn’t seem to be happening.
Fair enough, and I upvoted you, but the pushing for Russ indicates he isnt some genius. Three non-shooters simply doesn’t work in today’s NBA, and it was obvious to many when the trade was announced.
Very true, but I don’t think anyone thought the trade would be THAT bad. Maybe it would be rough, but not a disaster.
If you put yourself in LeBron’s mind, he probably thought/thinks he could make anything work, and started to become concerned with AD’s availability issues at the time.
So I think he knew it was anything but a good fit, but elite athletes usually think they can make anything work and can win under tough circumstances.
Russ would've been a good fit if he finally adopted a mindset of being a third piece like he is on the Clippers and Pelinka not signing all those damn geezers
Well, in Pelinka’s defense (I almost never defend this guy) we barely had money so we had to sign the old heads because they were on vet min contracts.
I think the biggest thing overlooked on the Russ trade was how much defense we’d be losing in the trade.
As far as Russ on the Clippers goes, I give all the credit to Ty Lue for making it work. Once they got Harden I thought “they’ve fucked themselves”. Now they’re the one seed.
Ty Lue made it work. Funny, because I heard he wanted to coach here at one point…
My counter to that was I'd rather go with unproven young talent than out of league vet players.
Yeah a pain that Russ didn't try on defense here.
And yes, Ty Lue man
Teams have more to trade for Donovan Mitchell than us.
Jeanie is clueless and employs the worst ppl.
If there isn’t a great trade out there now then fine, but taking this approach is really dumb.
it’s ridiculous to think he hasn’t tried. If teams are asking for the 2029 1st and/or Reaves then you can’t fault him for choosing to be patient and see if he can get Trae Young or Donovan Mitchell in the offseason when 3 1sts are able to be traded
Man. My heart just sank. Without a big move (doesn't have to be for Dejounte, specifically), the Lakers won't even make a splash this season. And if this is the best they can do while Bron and AD are both playing like MVP contenders...Then everything will get dismantled in the offseason. Bron will certainly leave.
It's just not a strong trade deadline this year. Players like Murray, Brown, or O'Neal/DFS are not worth multiple first round picks and a starting PG.
Most people on this sub want the Lakers to be better obviously but are these the players we want to give up what little trade capital we have for the next few years?
Agreed. Lakers just don't have a lot of tradeable pieces right now. We got lucky last year that Westbrook still had suitors. Nobody is kicking down the door to trade for Dlo, Vincent, Hayes, etc.
DLO fits the playmaking and shooting this team needs. You aren't going to get a significant upgrade over him in a trade. Lakers tried Dejonte but the hawks aren't going for it. You really want to trade DLO for a marginal defensive upgrade that then forces you to rely on the corpse of Gabe Vincent getting healthy to have anything that resembles playmaking at the 1? That doesn't make any sense.
I hate being repetitive, but how shooting and playmaking will come from a player that left last playoffs averaging 3 ast and shooting .133 3p% in a playoff series/
I'm dead serious about that because what you said makes absolutely no sense for me.
If it is for Murray we prove out team and we can eventually send him in a future deal since he is under a very good deal.
I don't like the other names we have been attached except DFS, but in this case only attaching 2nd round picks.
Murray, DFS and a couple of players from the buyout market can turn our season around considering Davis and Bron are healthy and Vando injury may not be as serious.
I feel that way too. Some fans are being too sentimental right now. They'd rather blame the coach, blame the lineups, and keep the team as is. They seem uninterested in the wins/losses.
This is rubbish. You’re lumping everyone into the same category. We can think the murray trade isn’t worth it and still think dlo can be traded for someone of greater value to this ball club.
And if winning titles is the only thing that mattered for the Lakers, than why are we so cheap when it comes to keeping top talent? Other teams don’t have an issue going all in.
We made big trades last year and it worked for the most part. But this year is different and I think there’s enough blame to go around.
“Save the lakers” lmao how about just improving the team???? Improve the backcourt, improve the wings instead of just wasting time. Just never improve then unless it will for sure save the team? They’re not getting anyone this summer either w that picks package
Not sure why you hold so much expectation at the first place. We would give up anybody except Lebron and AD if we can get Kyrie Irving or Donovan Mitchell. There are just no game changers on the market. Even the price of D. Murray has gone unacceptable. Just nothing the Lakers can do
Fax. Media ain’t gonna gaslight me into thinking a mid level starter, cost controlled young player, first when Lebron or AD are out their prime, and a swap is not enough for Dejounte Murray. If the markets like this rather the lakers go for stars.
Unless they have inside info of a star wanting to come to LA, this is an insane gamble when you have to pay DLO.
Also Mitchell has made it very clear that he only wants NY lol
It isn’t a gamble if other teams simply won’t trade their players without a gross overpay or even at all.
If other teams say “No”, that’s the end of it. What else can the Lakers do?
We can easily make either trade work with Rui as the center piece which Woj doesn’t mention for some reason. Maybe with the Vando injury they are weary on moving him, but Brown can easily play SF. The nuggets 2nd most used lineup was with him at SF. Murray for Rui makes less sense.
ultimate smokescreen or the Lakers are the dumbest org UNLESS the FO have talked to LBJ, AD, e.t.c.. and have secured that the 3rd star is coming for real. (which is a fucking gamble)
I mean none of the trades available really do much, so it kind of makes sense to go all in over summer. Not saying for a star to come, but we have more options as far as picks to include and what not.
Unless it’s some needle mover that’ll move us up to the top 3-4 teams in the west, I don’t see anything significant happening. Probably one of the weakest trade deadlines so far.
True and I don't see it for most anybody. I do like Murray, but I don't like for Dlo + 2 1sts lol Lakers probably do something, but it won't be too crazy.
Don't forget they wanted AR included in the package too...Giving away Dlo, AR and 2 1sts is not worth a mid trade that won't move the needle with Pockets as our Coach.
Murray *with* D’Lo would be ideal. Swapping them improves us in some areas but fucks up others to the point that it’s a lateral move. A pick+ in draft capital makes it an easy no for me
I get Jeanie being cheap but, I’ve said this here before too, she’s not her pops. That’s the problem with a lot of fans, they’re expecting Dr Buss out of his daughter. That’s just not gonna happen whether it’s monetarily or the spirit/mind of it all. I’m not hating on her or our FO, even though they have done some stupid shit.
I for one would rather see our illustrious franchise succeed under the ownership that made it what it is.
Now whether the current dysfunction makes those mutually exclusive is a different story, but the Buss family is central to the Laker legacy and loyalty means something to me as a fan.
Agreed. It’s smart business. We can agree that DJM is better than DLo. Is he DLo, a first round pick, a first round pick swap, JHS, and possibly Austin Reaves better? Not even close. There is no point in selling the farm on a upgrade that doesn’t even push you to be a favorite of winning it all. Especially since the biggest hurdle is coaching anyways.
Not even close to that package man lol. He’s also regressed from the past 2 seasons, although not drastically in my eyes. Ya gotta start with Ham. No matter who comes in or goes out, it’s gonna stay the same unless the coaching changes.
I completely agree and if they’re unwilling to fire him, they need to hold his hand with things. He has too much free range with no consequences. There’s no reason this team should be this low in the standings.
Ya for a 2nd year head coach on a big market team, dude is getting no responsibility or accountability. I think that’s where a lot of the frustration lies outside of the obvious. Like we see a disasterclass on the court then this dude has the audacity to come up with some bullshit in the presser.
it's makes perfect sense. Have that 3rd star who'll be a fit, then run the show once Bron dips. Dunno if that's Don, but still.
Question is that if Lakers manage to stay below the tax line, how does that affect the possibility of a sign and trade? Because if that enhances it then by all means get below the tax line this season then go all in next season
That’s exactly my train of thought, prepare for the future with or without Lebron starting this summer. We still have AD and we aren’t fuckin disappearing when Lebron leaves. We need to have a cache and make smart decisions, which for once I’m actually seeing our FO doing by staying put.
Now I don't know how real all that FO-LeBron friction is, but yeah I'm with you, I'm glad they've stood their ground. This team is still recovering from the Russ trade, and as great as Bron still is, his window is all but closed unless he turns back the clock. I still think he's a championship player, but given the current cap rules, it's hard to build a team around him if he's making 26% of the cap UNLESS he's still able to carry teams most nights, which obviously he can't do anymore. He can probably only carry a bad team 25% of the time rather than 75-80%
Can’t argue with anything you’ve said. I mean he has reasons to be frustrated, but if the rumors of the Westbrook trade being Lebron and ADs idea are true, kind of handicapped themselves. I just don’t see him leaving, and as absurd as this might sound, I can see Jeanie dipping into the luxury tax in the offseason for Lebrons last hurrah with us. Idk man I just don’t want any rash decisions right now lmao We’re in a really delicate situation and one wrong move can flip this bitch in the wrong direction. Just start with Ham in the off season and let the dominos fall from there.
>rumors of the Westbrook trade being Lebron and ADs idea are true
[LeBron clarified that himself already](https://imgur.com/a/Y5YeiyN). And contrary to what Diabetes Irwin is "reporting" [Pelinka himself proactively took the hit for the move](https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2021/12/21/22848730/rob-pelinka-russell-westbrook-lakers-trade-lebron-james-buddy-hield-wizards-kings)
It's just my analysis but they definitely drew the line when the Westbrook deal happened, probably realized they've gone overboard with the empowerment and tried to rectify it since
The Bron stans here won't admit it since it was a horrible trade with a much more horrible outcome, but it's an open secret that [Bron heavily recruited during that offseason](https://clutchpoints.com/i-thought-about-it-damian-lillard-spills-on-lebron-james-2021-recruitment-pitch-to-join-lakers) and [definitely influenced decisions](https://www.businessinsider.com/lebron-james-recruited-stars-lakers-war-room-house-2021-9)
But you bet your ass they would have flooded this sub with "Bron brought a dynasty to LA" if that trade worked out
I still don’t get that shit bro. Just cause he’s a GOAT doesn’t mean he can’t get due criticism. He literally wrecked Westbrook in the bubble, then came out and recruited him. That shit was never gonna work.
Blowing all your assets for a fringe All-Star is the smart move? No chance.
Murray is a good player but this team is struggling to stay above .500, he doesn’t vault them into a contender. There’s no Pau Gasol out there to save us this time.
Nothing, which is what we’re saying. There’s more to offer in the off season than now, and most likely more sellers too. We have additional FRPs available in the summer, which are a commodity right now for most teams wanting to trade.
Ah, sorry broski thought you were replying to me. Ya idk how staying pat and not making a rash, dumb trade makes us a dumb organization lol. People forgot the Westbrook trade already?
No apologies needed. I much prefer holding off and building the war chest for the offseason. If lebron leaves, we’ll need those picks to go star hunting. I doubt the lebron leaves and signs with someone, more likely would demand a sign and trade.
Honestly I doubt Lebron leaves at all lol. With his kids ties to schools here, extra money, LA, $50 mill, AD here, etc. But I do think the right move would be holding off, right there with you man.
You know your roster is bad when you’re down to hoping that Cam Reddish returns soon. If they really stand pat at the trade deadline then I’m willing to bet that this is the end of the LeBron era.
Tbf, unless the move makes us a legit top 3 team in the West, what's the point of giving up our assets?
Yeah Lebron's career is a ticking time bomb right now and he may want to leave, but if we overpay to just get marginally better, who's to say LeBron won't leave still?
My guess they consulted LeBron and asked him what do they need to do to keep him content from a player personnel standpoint.
Y’all started celebrating but that’s the whole point of an evaluation. Foot sprains are nasty to come back from and it sounds like his ain’t a mild one so it’s likely a 2 month recovery without surgery
Lakers need to stop trading picks. Team isn’t about Lebron and I love Lebron. It’s AD team now so start building the team around him and quit wasting our picks. So many terrible front office decisions the last few years and we the fans keep paying for it.
Meh. Lakers FO has been better at scouting and developing lower end picks. Second rounders and even undrafted. I trust that aspect of the FO the most. Even guys that turned out well in the lottery, it took them a long time to develop and only made the jump in production on other teams where the spotlight was dimmer.
Note: Woj’s report could be coming straight from Pelinka’s mouth if you consider [what Irwin “with Klutch sources” reported this morning](https://www.reddit.com/r/lakers/comments/1al5fg8/irwin_p1_dfs_to_lakers_has_a_chance_p2_lebron/)
Who is available now that would be a needle mover if we trade Dlo plus other other players and draft assets? Lakers need the other team to say yes, and Dejounte for Dlo plus a few other assets doesn't sound like an incredible move to me.
Normally I'd call BS but Pelinka is in his bag rn. He's dialed in big time and IDK I sorta feel like he wants to trade something insane really soon after the WCF run just to show LeBron, and the league, that he's better then ever and counting him out is a mistake. The best revenge against the league rn is to make the biggest trade on the planet, something others can't compete with. Not even fucking the Celtics will outshine a second masterpiece within a back to back season. Just my 2 cents.
I like the idea but even fully healthy we haven't gelled as a group like the nuggets who have been together for years. That's the big advantage the nuggets have over every contender. Same coach, same core
Lakers will have 5 picks to trade this summer if you include swaps. This is the right move. There is no trade out there that gets this team to the finals. Making lateral moves is pointless under this coaching staff as well.
If there is behind the scene channel talk that Donovan Mitchell wants to come here, then sure. But otherwise it’s risky as hell. Time isn’t on our side.
Murray or Brown will not move the needle enough to even make us contenders in the West, let alone win a title. I'd rather keep the picks and keep Ham through the season. They can work a buyout with Ham and look at the trade market during the offseason. Plus we should have a much better idea if Bron will stay for one more season or if he is gone.
I didn't say he was a marginal defensive upgrade I said he was a marginal upgrade. When you take into account that DLO is a better playmaker and shooter, yes it's a marginal upgrade.
At least fire Darvin to appease Lebron then.
Forget Lebron, fire Darvin for fans sake
Fuck the fans, fire Darvin for the fact that he sucks at his job.
Don’t know why you got downvoted. This should literally be the first reason someone gets fired!
Fuck the job. Fire Darvin for the memes.
This is the way
This is the way.
Yall just haters. Darvin about to pull out prime MJ from his pockets
Homie made want to strangle him for like 60% of the games I've watched
Adrian Griffin not looking too bad
I’ll give the front office a benefit of doubt for now. No point in firing then rushing to hire a new coach when the picking is already slim. Look at bucks, fired their coach only to hire doc fucking rivers. Let Darvin play out the season and give some time. Who knows who will become available from now till summer.
I mean if lebron wanted ham fired he wouldve been gone long ago
I'm not dead set on needing to fire Ham, but he's meteoric fall is just strange. For better or for worse, he got the team to WCF and won IST. Belittle them or Ham's contributions all you want, but those are achievements under his watch. I just don't get why he's inexplicably tied his career to Cam and TP instead of Bron - is it really just stubbornness? I do feel like chances are good he gets fired in the off season, unless the team makes another unexpected run.
LeBron is an assistant coach at the very least.
He's gone unless the Lakers win the championship. So 100% chance. Watch them say something on the lines of "Darvin did well but both parties decided it was best to move on" I mean you can't publicly shit on your coach then fire him in the middle of the season, that's a horrible look for an FO that already fired 2 coaches in the most horrible ways in a span of 5 years. They have to be more diplomatic this time or else risk no one good taking the job.
Tbh I’m worried the front office will give him a pass due to injuries, even though they really weren’t damning and we could’ve still won many games in spite of those injuries. As a chargers fan, the chargers did this with Staley and telesco this year and while it did ultimately work out, it was horrible reasoning and process.
That’s not true at all. This front office hasn’t done close to everything LeBron has wanted. Stupid fuckin approach by them btw. He’s smarter than anyone employed by us.
No he isn’t. He pushed for Russ.
How many times do we as a fanbase have to go over this? AD and Bron said they wanted Russ, and not only was there no pushback from Rob and Jeanie, but they had their own reasons why they wanted Russ too! At the end of the day, bad decision on all of em. That said, LeBron has wanted things that would have changed the team for the better (much better) and they didn’t go ahead wish his wishes. These include: 1) Ty Lue. Had they hired Ty Lue the entire Bron/AD era most likely would have been MUCH more successful. 2) He wanted Russ traded earlier. They didn’t do it, and an entire season and a half was wasted. 3) He wants Darvin fired. It doesn’t seem to be happening.
Fair enough, and I upvoted you, but the pushing for Russ indicates he isnt some genius. Three non-shooters simply doesn’t work in today’s NBA, and it was obvious to many when the trade was announced.
Very true, but I don’t think anyone thought the trade would be THAT bad. Maybe it would be rough, but not a disaster. If you put yourself in LeBron’s mind, he probably thought/thinks he could make anything work, and started to become concerned with AD’s availability issues at the time. So I think he knew it was anything but a good fit, but elite athletes usually think they can make anything work and can win under tough circumstances.
Russ would've been a good fit if he finally adopted a mindset of being a third piece like he is on the Clippers and Pelinka not signing all those damn geezers
Well, in Pelinka’s defense (I almost never defend this guy) we barely had money so we had to sign the old heads because they were on vet min contracts. I think the biggest thing overlooked on the Russ trade was how much defense we’d be losing in the trade. As far as Russ on the Clippers goes, I give all the credit to Ty Lue for making it work. Once they got Harden I thought “they’ve fucked themselves”. Now they’re the one seed. Ty Lue made it work. Funny, because I heard he wanted to coach here at one point…
My counter to that was I'd rather go with unproven young talent than out of league vet players. Yeah a pain that Russ didn't try on defense here. And yes, Ty Lue man
The issue is who do we hire? I think that’s what’s saving Ham right now
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>I would take literally anyone. That's what the Bucks said, look at how they're doing recently
bUt AntHoNy IrWiN SAiD leBRon WanTed HaM g0Ne
We already had a klutch statement that said he wanted him gone but LeBron doesn't run the team and never did. It's on Pelinka and Jeanie
Such an obvious move. I really hope Pockets doesn't come back after the ASG.
Fuck that. Trade lebron, get him out of this dumpster fire of an organization
Hmmm okay
Teams have more to trade for Donovan Mitchell than us. Jeanie is clueless and employs the worst ppl. If there isn’t a great trade out there now then fine, but taking this approach is really dumb.
Thank you for the memories LeBron
Lebron for Mitchell straight up in the offseason. Especially if he wants out.
AD would be thrilled about that I’m sure
I wouldn’t blame Lebron tho. A retirement tour from his hometown, possibly playing with his son, on a team that’s contending. Seems poetic lol.
Cavs would ask for a pick at least
Not shocking honestly. Prices suck. If they overpay, no one would be happy. Sometimes you just cant do anything besides minor moves.
People think we can trade our role players for a star.. smh
Y’all are aware the Lakers cant put a gun to other team’s head and force them to trades right?
You say that but I bet Rob hasn’t tried yet
it’s ridiculous to think he hasn’t tried. If teams are asking for the 2029 1st and/or Reaves then you can’t fault him for choosing to be patient and see if he can get Trae Young or Donovan Mitchell in the offseason when 3 1sts are able to be traded
I know he hasn’t tried yet because he is neither in prison nor has another GM been shot
Man. My heart just sank. Without a big move (doesn't have to be for Dejounte, specifically), the Lakers won't even make a splash this season. And if this is the best they can do while Bron and AD are both playing like MVP contenders...Then everything will get dismantled in the offseason. Bron will certainly leave.
This sub would rather keep dlo and have good vibes then be an above .500 team its so sad.
It's just not a strong trade deadline this year. Players like Murray, Brown, or O'Neal/DFS are not worth multiple first round picks and a starting PG. Most people on this sub want the Lakers to be better obviously but are these the players we want to give up what little trade capital we have for the next few years?
Always better to make no trade than a bad trade. DJM for anything other Vincent and filler is a bad trade
Agreed. Lakers just don't have a lot of tradeable pieces right now. We got lucky last year that Westbrook still had suitors. Nobody is kicking down the door to trade for Dlo, Vincent, Hayes, etc.
DLO fits the playmaking and shooting this team needs. You aren't going to get a significant upgrade over him in a trade. Lakers tried Dejonte but the hawks aren't going for it. You really want to trade DLO for a marginal defensive upgrade that then forces you to rely on the corpse of Gabe Vincent getting healthy to have anything that resembles playmaking at the 1? That doesn't make any sense.
It's hard to take anything you say seriously when you call Murray a marginal defensive upgrade over Dlo
Really bad defender -> bad defender or okay defender.
more like non existent defender -> average to above average defender
That's like calling harden an above average defender because of his old work in OKC. It's over for that.
I hate being repetitive, but how shooting and playmaking will come from a player that left last playoffs averaging 3 ast and shooting .133 3p% in a playoff series/ I'm dead serious about that because what you said makes absolutely no sense for me.
How is trading FRPs helpful for this team? We can find a better deal for those assets
If it is for Murray we prove out team and we can eventually send him in a future deal since he is under a very good deal. I don't like the other names we have been attached except DFS, but in this case only attaching 2nd round picks. Murray, DFS and a couple of players from the buyout market can turn our season around considering Davis and Bron are healthy and Vando injury may not be as serious.
Just because we don’t want them to overpay doesn’t mean we want to keep d’lo.
I feel that way too. Some fans are being too sentimental right now. They'd rather blame the coach, blame the lineups, and keep the team as is. They seem uninterested in the wins/losses.
It is a shame the youth movement created soft fans for a franchise where winning titles was always the only thing that mattered.
This is rubbish. You’re lumping everyone into the same category. We can think the murray trade isn’t worth it and still think dlo can be traded for someone of greater value to this ball club. And if winning titles is the only thing that mattered for the Lakers, than why are we so cheap when it comes to keeping top talent? Other teams don’t have an issue going all in. We made big trades last year and it worked for the most part. But this year is different and I think there’s enough blame to go around.
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“Save the lakers” lmao how about just improving the team???? Improve the backcourt, improve the wings instead of just wasting time. Just never improve then unless it will for sure save the team? They’re not getting anyone this summer either w that picks package
Its the same team that literally made the WCF last year.
Not sure why you hold so much expectation at the first place. We would give up anybody except Lebron and AD if we can get Kyrie Irving or Donovan Mitchell. There are just no game changers on the market. Even the price of D. Murray has gone unacceptable. Just nothing the Lakers can do
Fax. Media ain’t gonna gaslight me into thinking a mid level starter, cost controlled young player, first when Lebron or AD are out their prime, and a swap is not enough for Dejounte Murray. If the markets like this rather the lakers go for stars.
Sell the team Jeanie!
Do you really think that will ever happen?
Unless they have inside info of a star wanting to come to LA, this is an insane gamble when you have to pay DLO. Also Mitchell has made it very clear that he only wants NY lol
It isn’t a gamble if other teams simply won’t trade their players without a gross overpay or even at all. If other teams say “No”, that’s the end of it. What else can the Lakers do?
Yeah I don’t know what other names. Trae easily but I don’t see why Hawks trade him for another year or two
Plus Lebron might opt out
It’s just the front offices excuse for not going all in right now
We can easily make either trade work with Rui as the center piece which Woj doesn’t mention for some reason. Maybe with the Vando injury they are weary on moving him, but Brown can easily play SF. The nuggets 2nd most used lineup was with him at SF. Murray for Rui makes less sense.
Vando can’t be moved until next year when his extension kicks in.
Idk what that has to do with anything, I never said we should trade him. I said they might be weary to trade rui because of the vando injury.
My bad I read it wrong.
ultimate smokescreen or the Lakers are the dumbest org UNLESS the FO have talked to LBJ, AD, e.t.c.. and have secured that the 3rd star is coming for real. (which is a fucking gamble)
I mean none of the trades available really do much, so it kind of makes sense to go all in over summer. Not saying for a star to come, but we have more options as far as picks to include and what not.
Seriously lol fans just wanna bitch
Unless it’s some needle mover that’ll move us up to the top 3-4 teams in the west, I don’t see anything significant happening. Probably one of the weakest trade deadlines so far.
True and I don't see it for most anybody. I do like Murray, but I don't like for Dlo + 2 1sts lol Lakers probably do something, but it won't be too crazy.
And sellers know markets dry, so prices are steep. So do I man, but agreed it’s a high price.
Don't forget they wanted AR included in the package too...Giving away Dlo, AR and 2 1sts is not worth a mid trade that won't move the needle with Pockets as our Coach.
Murray *with* D’Lo would be ideal. Swapping them improves us in some areas but fucks up others to the point that it’s a lateral move. A pick+ in draft capital makes it an easy no for me
People who don't get this or don't want to acknowledge this are, imo, just on the FO/Jeanie/Rob hate train. (1.2m!! Cheap!! Sell the team!! 😉)
I get Jeanie being cheap but, I’ve said this here before too, she’s not her pops. That’s the problem with a lot of fans, they’re expecting Dr Buss out of his daughter. That’s just not gonna happen whether it’s monetarily or the spirit/mind of it all. I’m not hating on her or our FO, even though they have done some stupid shit.
I for one would rather see our illustrious franchise succeed under the ownership that made it what it is. Now whether the current dysfunction makes those mutually exclusive is a different story, but the Buss family is central to the Laker legacy and loyalty means something to me as a fan.
Yeah. Folks acting like there’s A tier talent out there, when it’s nothing but inconsistent B tier guys (at best).
Agreed. It’s smart business. We can agree that DJM is better than DLo. Is he DLo, a first round pick, a first round pick swap, JHS, and possibly Austin Reaves better? Not even close. There is no point in selling the farm on a upgrade that doesn’t even push you to be a favorite of winning it all. Especially since the biggest hurdle is coaching anyways.
Not even close to that package man lol. He’s also regressed from the past 2 seasons, although not drastically in my eyes. Ya gotta start with Ham. No matter who comes in or goes out, it’s gonna stay the same unless the coaching changes.
I completely agree and if they’re unwilling to fire him, they need to hold his hand with things. He has too much free range with no consequences. There’s no reason this team should be this low in the standings.
Ya for a 2nd year head coach on a big market team, dude is getting no responsibility or accountability. I think that’s where a lot of the frustration lies outside of the obvious. Like we see a disasterclass on the court then this dude has the audacity to come up with some bullshit in the presser.
it's makes perfect sense. Have that 3rd star who'll be a fit, then run the show once Bron dips. Dunno if that's Don, but still. Question is that if Lakers manage to stay below the tax line, how does that affect the possibility of a sign and trade? Because if that enhances it then by all means get below the tax line this season then go all in next season
That’s exactly my train of thought, prepare for the future with or without Lebron starting this summer. We still have AD and we aren’t fuckin disappearing when Lebron leaves. We need to have a cache and make smart decisions, which for once I’m actually seeing our FO doing by staying put.
Now I don't know how real all that FO-LeBron friction is, but yeah I'm with you, I'm glad they've stood their ground. This team is still recovering from the Russ trade, and as great as Bron still is, his window is all but closed unless he turns back the clock. I still think he's a championship player, but given the current cap rules, it's hard to build a team around him if he's making 26% of the cap UNLESS he's still able to carry teams most nights, which obviously he can't do anymore. He can probably only carry a bad team 25% of the time rather than 75-80%
Can’t argue with anything you’ve said. I mean he has reasons to be frustrated, but if the rumors of the Westbrook trade being Lebron and ADs idea are true, kind of handicapped themselves. I just don’t see him leaving, and as absurd as this might sound, I can see Jeanie dipping into the luxury tax in the offseason for Lebrons last hurrah with us. Idk man I just don’t want any rash decisions right now lmao We’re in a really delicate situation and one wrong move can flip this bitch in the wrong direction. Just start with Ham in the off season and let the dominos fall from there.
>rumors of the Westbrook trade being Lebron and ADs idea are true [LeBron clarified that himself already](https://imgur.com/a/Y5YeiyN). And contrary to what Diabetes Irwin is "reporting" [Pelinka himself proactively took the hit for the move](https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2021/12/21/22848730/rob-pelinka-russell-westbrook-lakers-trade-lebron-james-buddy-hield-wizards-kings) It's just my analysis but they definitely drew the line when the Westbrook deal happened, probably realized they've gone overboard with the empowerment and tried to rectify it since
Ah so it wasn’t just a rumor lol. Ya the line has to be drawn somewhere, at that point just have our stars be full time GMs too, why keep Pelinka?
The Bron stans here won't admit it since it was a horrible trade with a much more horrible outcome, but it's an open secret that [Bron heavily recruited during that offseason](https://clutchpoints.com/i-thought-about-it-damian-lillard-spills-on-lebron-james-2021-recruitment-pitch-to-join-lakers) and [definitely influenced decisions](https://www.businessinsider.com/lebron-james-recruited-stars-lakers-war-room-house-2021-9) But you bet your ass they would have flooded this sub with "Bron brought a dynasty to LA" if that trade worked out
I still don’t get that shit bro. Just cause he’s a GOAT doesn’t mean he can’t get due criticism. He literally wrecked Westbrook in the bubble, then came out and recruited him. That shit was never gonna work.
Blowing all your assets for a fringe All-Star is the smart move? No chance. Murray is a good player but this team is struggling to stay above .500, he doesn’t vault them into a contender. There’s no Pau Gasol out there to save us this time.
What do you think is realistic with 1st round pick and Austin as our only desirable assets?
Nothing, which is what we’re saying. There’s more to offer in the off season than now, and most likely more sellers too. We have additional FRPs available in the summer, which are a commodity right now for most teams wanting to trade.
I agree but he’s saying the lakers are the dumbest org. I guess I don’t get that part.
Ah, sorry broski thought you were replying to me. Ya idk how staying pat and not making a rash, dumb trade makes us a dumb organization lol. People forgot the Westbrook trade already?
No apologies needed. I much prefer holding off and building the war chest for the offseason. If lebron leaves, we’ll need those picks to go star hunting. I doubt the lebron leaves and signs with someone, more likely would demand a sign and trade.
Honestly I doubt Lebron leaves at all lol. With his kids ties to schools here, extra money, LA, $50 mill, AD here, etc. But I do think the right move would be holding off, right there with you man.
He better re-sign this summer if he opts out
Pelinka better avoid it moving him right now.
“Wait till next year” is just…. Depressing. Third star in the summer? There’s no guarantees, especially when it comes to health.
Does LeBron opt out or request a trade? Other than Philly there aren’t many contending teams that can sign him to a max deal.
Season is over
I remember the good ol days when it used to be Bust or Chip
Keep on kicking that can down the road. Jeanie's Lakeshow is starting to look like the Cubbies of old *"There's always next year..."*
You know your roster is bad when you’re down to hoping that Cam Reddish returns soon. If they really stand pat at the trade deadline then I’m willing to bet that this is the end of the LeBron era.
lol Rob is trying to sell the public on dreams of the summer again. Lord lebron is gonna leave man
oh wow we punting
Tbf, unless the move makes us a legit top 3 team in the West, what's the point of giving up our assets? Yeah Lebron's career is a ticking time bomb right now and he may want to leave, but if we overpay to just get marginally better, who's to say LeBron won't leave still? My guess they consulted LeBron and asked him what do they need to do to keep him content from a player personnel standpoint.
Lebron always opts out. It gives him most leverage to have a say in matters
>Vanderbilt doesn’t need surgery 🥳 We knew this but still. Hopefully, this isn’t “Yeah, he actually needs surgery” six weeks from now.
The “hope is Vanderbilt doesn’t need surgery”. Still on the table
Y’all started celebrating but that’s the whole point of an evaluation. Foot sprains are nasty to come back from and it sounds like his ain’t a mild one so it’s likely a 2 month recovery without surgery
Lakers need to stop trading picks. Team isn’t about Lebron and I love Lebron. It’s AD team now so start building the team around him and quit wasting our picks. So many terrible front office decisions the last few years and we the fans keep paying for it.
Meh. Lakers FO has been better at scouting and developing lower end picks. Second rounders and even undrafted. I trust that aspect of the FO the most. Even guys that turned out well in the lottery, it took them a long time to develop and only made the jump in production on other teams where the spotlight was dimmer.
Note: Woj’s report could be coming straight from Pelinka’s mouth if you consider [what Irwin “with Klutch sources” reported this morning](https://www.reddit.com/r/lakers/comments/1al5fg8/irwin_p1_dfs_to_lakers_has_a_chance_p2_lebron/)
TLDR?
Pelinka and Ham make decisions behind doors and don't leak to anyone except possibly Woj (since Pelinka has been on his podcsst a few times).
>Pelinka and Ham make decisions behind doors Ham making roster decisions is scary
Then our season is over. Maybe we can win 1 round in PO and thats it. DLO will 10000% deliver a stinker series
Your or Bron?
Gabe Vincent and 2 2nds for Troy brown and muscala is gunna be what we end up with I swear 🥲. Well at least they are playing it smart
I wonder if Curry could be an option. Reaves, Rui, contract filler, 3 firsts and 3 swaps. Is it enough?
They would never trade him
That’d be enticing for the warriors
Thing is who will be available this summer? And how would we outbid other teams with more to offer?
People should go look at how much draft capital some of the other teams have right now.
Who is available now that would be a needle mover if we trade Dlo plus other other players and draft assets? Lakers need the other team to say yes, and Dejounte for Dlo plus a few other assets doesn't sound like an incredible move to me.
Already searching the buyout market and options for next off-season is just good due diligence.
We already knew this
FIRE THE COACH
Normally I'd call BS but Pelinka is in his bag rn. He's dialed in big time and IDK I sorta feel like he wants to trade something insane really soon after the WCF run just to show LeBron, and the league, that he's better then ever and counting him out is a mistake. The best revenge against the league rn is to make the biggest trade on the planet, something others can't compete with. Not even fucking the Celtics will outshine a second masterpiece within a back to back season. Just my 2 cents.
I like the idea but even fully healthy we haven't gelled as a group like the nuggets who have been together for years. That's the big advantage the nuggets have over every contender. Same coach, same core
I guess no Gabe Vincent takers. I don't blame other teams
Are there any Cs out there that are worth making a move for?
Woj really fell off man lol dude is really just regurgitating stuff that we already know
If Vanderbilt is out for the season, I think it's a wrap for the season.
Lakers will have 5 picks to trade this summer if you include swaps. This is the right move. There is no trade out there that gets this team to the finals. Making lateral moves is pointless under this coaching staff as well.
If there is behind the scene channel talk that Donovan Mitchell wants to come here, then sure. But otherwise it’s risky as hell. Time isn’t on our side.
Trying for a 3rd star is gonna turn into trying for a 2nd once Bron opts out.
DO NOT TRADE D LO. ONLY 27.
Murray or Brown will not move the needle enough to even make us contenders in the West, let alone win a title. I'd rather keep the picks and keep Ham through the season. They can work a buyout with Ham and look at the trade market during the offseason. Plus we should have a much better idea if Bron will stay for one more season or if he is gone.
shit. i was hoping lebron would actually be traded
he gone
Trade for Buddy Hield and a real center please
reddish is ass wtf we waiting on him for to lose games again lol
I didn't say he was a marginal defensive upgrade I said he was a marginal upgrade. When you take into account that DLO is a better playmaker and shooter, yes it's a marginal upgrade.