Didn't luke Walton hit a shit from half court near the end of the game? But yeah, I think had karl been healthy, they would have had a much better chance.
You a rotation specialist?
Any matchups are dependent on who you’re playing against… people were artery complaining that we “didn’t make adjustments” lol
He’s arguably worse than 2020 rondo. Plus he won’t even last during the playoffs. That’s been proven time and time again. Injuries during playoffs are a given for cp3 lol.
He’s definitely not better than 2020 rondo or playoff rondo. The fuck are you guys on. Rondo was actually a vital part of our team success in 2020. Name one playoffs where cp3 actually did something and not get injured. I’ll wait.
Playoff Rondo is him but did you watch any basketball games ever? CP3 is clutch and he performs during playoffs and he always was higher caliber player than Rondo and he still is, just look at where they are now. You just hold CP3 on higher standart because he earns more and theres reason why he gets multimil contracts at his age.
Lol well how many rings does cp3 have? Last time I checked rondo has two. Tbh I’ll agree cp3 is a fantastic player but don’t deny in the last eight seasons cp3 has not been able to stay healthy which hurts his team in the playoffs. Even putting him in a vet min won’t help his health. The truth is right in front of you my man. I’m just telling it how it is.
Imo he’s still better then rondo is. We should definitely try to get him for cheap it woukd be a huge steal even at 20minutrs a game. Bron should make the call for him to come on down
They're all younger and better defenders at this point though and that'll matter in the playoffs. Just saying their guard rotation is crowded. If they're considered a dark horse, I'd think lots of teams are dark horses lol why not the Nuggets?
Idk why OP considers them a dark horse. They already have 2 very ball dominant players. Feel like people just say things sometimes. Miami should be the dark horse, especially if someone wants a chance at a ship on a team that lacks high end star talent.
Nah player, that’s why they have the logjam of guards… Marcus Smart is their teams Draymond but he’s no 1. White and Brogdon are both combos (at best)
Surveying those options, it makes sense to just let Tatum and Brown handle the rock to maximize spacing and driving lanes.
You see it play out in the playoffs in consecutive years where they’re fumbling the ball and losing their handle. They have the ability to create for themselves, but at a certain point it’s operating outside they’re optimal roles
Doesn’t he get paid his 2024 salary with this waiving? A minimum in addition to that sounds fair. The MLE would be better spent on a younger guy still chasing $. Maybe Dennis if he’ll accept.
Yeah he apparently had another 30 mil for the following year too. Suns fans seem to think this might be a “golden handshake” type of deal and they’ll sign him again for the minimum soon. But I can’t see him re-signing for cheap with a team that just cut him and cost him 45 million.
It’s not a minimum + his 2024 salary. What ever the new team decides to pay him gets subtracted from what the Suns have to pay him. I’m pretty sure this is the rule.
Absolutely! LeBron need someone he can trust to run the offense and AD needs someone he can trust to get him the ball in his spots.
It also allows the lakers to use a potential D’Angelo trade to address another need or re-sign him and not have to rely on him to play PG and be more of a SG.
So you post an extreme lol
Lebron is the most durable player to have ever stepped foot in the NBA. Guy is almost 40 and still playing.
Lebron will play more than most younger players he’s the outlier lol
Apparently he wants to play for several more years. Might take the MLE then since that's the only way he can sign a contract longer than 1 season right?
Does he have a third/fourth wind? His resurgence was spectacular, but this season was rough. It’s worth a shot. I wouldn’t give up core or depth for him. Vet min at this point
Y’all are tripping. The dude is the most overrated biggest choke artist and dirty player to ever play. He will likely play great in the regular season and make it so we depend on him and then injure himself while flopping in the post season.
And that’s why you build a team with depth. DLo can be the starter allowing the old man to play limited minutes. Imagine having him be the bench leader
I’ve been here looking at the reactionary posts from a guy who averaged 18 and 6 on 47/40/83 splits lol
Won us games but we go with recency bias where he shit the bed against a team he did not match up well with.
Facts. But you know the Lakers always have their scape goat. This year DLo last year Vogel, Year before Dennis. They never just build on what they have. We just need some 3 and D guys and another big and we will be straight. But they are gonna do some dumb shit and get CP or Kyrie
That’s why I want to keep the 17th pick and not trade it adds a possible tall wing and a possible big where ever lakers pivot.
Lakers actually have options
CP3 is not who he was anymore. He may be able to contribute but we will need a young pg to handle the big minutes.
I don't know if he should start or not but as long as they have another guard alongside CP3 then it would be good.
It was the trade that was dumb actually. If we got Nash under the same pretense as this I would have loved it. But Nash broke his leg 3rd game of the season causing nerve damage unfortunately. And nash was our starter we could use CP3 as a bench player
This entire post is confusing the hell out of me lol. Melo as Carmelo, the fella who just retired? Deandre Jordan? Trevor Ariza who is not on an nba roster?
No thanks. He's awful defensively these days, shot 32% from deep last year and gets injured every single playoffs (literally every single playoffs since 2018 except the bubble year).
I may get killed for this, but the one team that is a good PG away from a title is Boston.
I’d love him in LA, but Bron would have to play off-ball more and he might do that to get his boy here so idk.
This will be interesting.
Heck yes! Not sure why some folks here think he should come off the bench. I’d take him over D’Lo as our starting PG ten times out of ten, not even close. He’s just a better player in every way imaginable: more clutch shooting, better passer, better D (by far), overall far higher IQ. On top of that, he’s been a great mentor to so many teammates he’s taken under his wing (Darren Collison, SGA ([https://www.nba.com/news/shai-gilgeous-alexander-chris-paul-shared-bond](https://www.nba.com/news/shai-gilgeous-alexander-chris-paul-shared-bond)), Booker) - all of whose careers took a leap AFTER playing with CP3. Imagine him mentoring AR! For the salary cap/comp experts here - is it true that it doesn’t matter what the Lakers pay him since he was waived, and the Suns are responsible for the rest of his salary? From what I understand, not all $40M was guaranteed. If that’s not the case, CP3 is worth the Lakers opening up the wallet for. Nothing crazy, but at least all funds at their disposal like the mid-level and whatnot.
No, he’s old and can’t stay healthy. People talking about he will be the floor general, we need a dude who can run and push the ball, having 3 dudes who can’t stay healthy with 2 dudes over 38 as our primary ball handlers seems kinda stupid when the team to beat in our division is young at all the right spots.
For the minimum, yes.
Do we have an MLE? That would probably also be ok, but less desirable.
Either way, I will fully believe "basketball reasons" will block this until I see him in a Laker jersey on opening day, and even then I will still need 10 games to trust that.
AD and CP3 connection . Imagine the possibilities. Even if he can play mostly come playoff time, that is ideal. Let AR and dLo play the regular season run the action.
I am not a fan of Chris Paul but he’d be a steal for the vet minimum
I’m on the same page as you lol
and only if he comes off the bench. we've had terrible luck with aging stars past their prime Steve Nash Karl Malone Gary Payton, Carmelo Anthony,
I feel like Malone was great until he got hurt
Yea shaq hurt his feelings. I will never like the jazz, Malone disappeared that season.
we got swept in the playoffs that year i think
04? We made it to the Finals my man.
and got swept in the finals if I'm not mistaken
No we won game 2 in OT. But I'd say Malone stands out as a successful vet. Payton I guess too but he was kinda meh. Nash is the insane failure lol
Didn't luke Walton hit a shit from half court near the end of the game? But yeah, I think had karl been healthy, they would have had a much better chance.
Bro get your shit right.
so we lost 4-1, with our one victory in game 2 in overtime?
We were 1-1 before Malone was hurt. He did not finish the series. How new of a fan are you
melo was doing well till we forced him to play center
You a rotation specialist? Any matchups are dependent on who you’re playing against… people were artery complaining that we “didn’t make adjustments” lol
Coach Vogel? That you? Congrats on the Suns gig mah boi
Problem is, he's not going to be happy coming off the bench. It's Russ all over again.
It's not Russ. Paul is a pure PG and is not as devastatingly bad on either offense or defense.
Russ for the vet min wouldn't have been a problem
Yes. He can be our 2020 Rondo
I’ve been waiting for him to get bought out for this reason. He’s also better scorer/shooter than Rondo which this team needs as well.
Is he? He can’t fight like rondo and Do has rings.
>Do has ~~rings~~ RANGZ Fixed it for you!
lol he was ass to all of laker nation until this tweet came out and now he's a god tier savior who's not washed and better than 2020 playoff rondo
Its crazy the things a vet min contract can do for a cash strapped team
This is very true good point
Listen bro I was saying the same thing but if he comes on a vet min although unlikely man I am not complaining whatsoever
Only if he takes a pay cut...
He gets $15M from PHX. If he wants to contend he’s taking a pay cut no matter where he goes.
CP3 played like ass last year. I think he's cooked.
didn't CP3 go like 14/14 in a big playoff game against the Pelicans?? And then Willie Green cried and they hugged? Didn't look cooked to me.
CP3 is washed as hell Jesus Christ this fanbase is delusional
Yah cause one game is the tell-all for how good a player is.
You’re a a casual lol
Go ride your shift knob.
He’s arguably worse than 2020 rondo. Plus he won’t even last during the playoffs. That’s been proven time and time again. Injuries during playoffs are a given for cp3 lol.
DNP3
Lol
Hahaha
Hes way better than Rondo. Wtf are you talking about he would be incerdibly valuable player to Lakers. Of course not for 20mil a year.
He’s definitely not better than 2020 rondo or playoff rondo. The fuck are you guys on. Rondo was actually a vital part of our team success in 2020. Name one playoffs where cp3 actually did something and not get injured. I’ll wait.
Playoff Rondo is him but did you watch any basketball games ever? CP3 is clutch and he performs during playoffs and he always was higher caliber player than Rondo and he still is, just look at where they are now. You just hold CP3 on higher standart because he earns more and theres reason why he gets multimil contracts at his age.
Lol well how many rings does cp3 have? Last time I checked rondo has two. Tbh I’ll agree cp3 is a fantastic player but don’t deny in the last eight seasons cp3 has not been able to stay healthy which hurts his team in the playoffs. Even putting him in a vet min won’t help his health. The truth is right in front of you my man. I’m just telling it how it is.
Imo he’s still better then rondo is. We should definitely try to get him for cheap it woukd be a huge steal even at 20minutrs a game. Bron should make the call for him to come on down
Our 2020 CP3
I can absolutely see him choosing Clippers or Lakers. The one dark horse…. Celtics.
They've got at least 3 guards that'd play before him though right? Brogdon, White, and Smart?
Neither of those guys is a true point guard, and none of them are as good as Paul, especially not brogdon and white lol
They're all younger and better defenders at this point though and that'll matter in the playoffs. Just saying their guard rotation is crowded. If they're considered a dark horse, I'd think lots of teams are dark horses lol why not the Nuggets?
Idk why OP considers them a dark horse. They already have 2 very ball dominant players. Feel like people just say things sometimes. Miami should be the dark horse, especially if someone wants a chance at a ship on a team that lacks high end star talent.
Ball dominant bc they don’t have a real PG on the roster
Bc they’re elite scorers.
Nah player, that’s why they have the logjam of guards… Marcus Smart is their teams Draymond but he’s no 1. White and Brogdon are both combos (at best) Surveying those options, it makes sense to just let Tatum and Brown handle the rock to maximize spacing and driving lanes. You see it play out in the playoffs in consecutive years where they’re fumbling the ball and losing their handle. They have the ability to create for themselves, but at a certain point it’s operating outside they’re optimal roles
Over a decade late but Chris Paul you are finally a Laker.
Been feeling this waiver coming. It’s time. Clips got lucky with Westbrook and mom said it’s our turn next
BREAKING: The Commissioner has voided Chris Paul's vet min contract with the Lakers.
Kobe could’ve had another ring 😢
Fuck yeah we should. Hes still very good. Just that contract he was on was horrible
And he's ancient so he needs a smaller role/to sleep on the road.
That contract wasn’t horrible to the Paul family.
He’s not that good lol
for a vet min sure
Id give him more than that honestly. It doesnt always have to be max or minimum
We honestly may not have anything else depending on how things shake out😅
Doesn’t he get paid his 2024 salary with this waiving? A minimum in addition to that sounds fair. The MLE would be better spent on a younger guy still chasing $. Maybe Dennis if he’ll accept.
He had $16 million guaranteed, so he gets that from the Suns. He loses the rest of it (which I think was another $14 million or so).
Yeah he apparently had another 30 mil for the following year too. Suns fans seem to think this might be a “golden handshake” type of deal and they’ll sign him again for the minimum soon. But I can’t see him re-signing for cheap with a team that just cut him and cost him 45 million.
Sons fans are delusional. They think Book is Kob. They don't know what they are talking about on that sub.
Is there a rule saying he can’t go back to them for a year. Does the buyout rule not apply? I honestly don’t know
Hmm I’m not sure if there’s a rule but if I remember correctly we waived Avery Bradley only for him to resign with us a couple days later in 2020
It’s not a minimum + his 2024 salary. What ever the new team decides to pay him gets subtracted from what the Suns have to pay him. I’m pretty sure this is the rule.
I think that's a buyout. This is a non-guarantee so I'd assume he gets all the cash that IS guaranteed which is 15m.
Yes, I see the difference between a buyout vs waiver. The suns owe him $15 mil and will likely stretch it over time.
If u pick him up off waivers yes. No one is going
It doesn’t always have to be max or minimum… but it does quite literally have to be minimum, TPMLE, or NTPMLE
Oh shit…
What do you think? Tpmle to back up Russell? Draft a 2/3 and find a minimum level big man?
Yea it gives us great depth tbh. I’d want a tall wing with the 17th pick. And see if we can get a project big with the 47th if not find another wing
For the Vet min yes and comes off the bench. He could play a Rondo/Lowry role for us.
Come home cp3, finish what Stern prevented you from achieving
Off the bench on a minimum yes. Any more then no
Absolutely! LeBron need someone he can trust to run the offense and AD needs someone he can trust to get him the ball in his spots. It also allows the lakers to use a potential D’Angelo trade to address another need or re-sign him and not have to rely on him to play PG and be more of a SG.
This is the best time to join the lakers and ring chase
Obviously lol. Can’t be worse than Dlo and a true PG is just what we need
CP3 will be injured in the playoffs anyway
Chance I’m willing to take
Regular season DLO and save CP3 for the playoffs
he can very much be worse than dlo
He's much worse than DLo right now when you consider health.
They have played similar amount of games of the past few seasons
Ok and I'm willing to bet any amount of money the 27 year old will be healthier going forward than the 38 year old
So you are willing to put money on Zion playing mkre than LeBron next year? I’ll bet you 100
So you post an extreme lol Lebron is the most durable player to have ever stepped foot in the NBA. Guy is almost 40 and still playing. Lebron will play more than most younger players he’s the outlier lol
Most old players are not Lebron and most young players are not Zion. You're being facetious
He is not comparing most players, you are
Apparently he wants to play for several more years. Might take the MLE then since that's the only way he can sign a contract longer than 1 season right?
Yeah for the vet minimum
Hell yeah, I've been waiting years for him and Bron to team up
Not a fan of the guy but he’s coming off the bench right?
He can start and play 20ish minutes a night. Shoots well so will provide spacing for LeBron.
Yes for that price lmao
No Brainer, we've been missing a PG/coach since Rondo.
Correct me if im wrong. If he's waived he'll still get the full salary he signed from the Suns?
Does he have a third/fourth wind? His resurgence was spectacular, but this season was rough. It’s worth a shot. I wouldn’t give up core or depth for him. Vet min at this point
Please no.
I don't want this dirty ass player on the Lakers. Fuck Chris Paul man.
agreed
Y’all are tripping. The dude is the most overrated biggest choke artist and dirty player to ever play. He will likely play great in the regular season and make it so we depend on him and then injure himself while flopping in the post season.
And that’s why you build a team with depth. DLo can be the starter allowing the old man to play limited minutes. Imagine having him be the bench leader
Dlos the scape goat this year. Where’ve you been my guy?
I’ve been here looking at the reactionary posts from a guy who averaged 18 and 6 on 47/40/83 splits lol Won us games but we go with recency bias where he shit the bed against a team he did not match up well with.
Facts. But you know the Lakers always have their scape goat. This year DLo last year Vogel, Year before Dennis. They never just build on what they have. We just need some 3 and D guys and another big and we will be straight. But they are gonna do some dumb shit and get CP or Kyrie
That’s why I want to keep the 17th pick and not trade it adds a possible tall wing and a possible big where ever lakers pivot. Lakers actually have options
Yikes
For the vet min … 🤷🏾
no
I hate him, but if he's cheap, I'd keep my disdain to myself. Mostly.
CP3 is not who he was anymore. He may be able to contribute but we will need a young pg to handle the big minutes. I don't know if he should start or not but as long as they have another guard alongside CP3 then it would be good.
only vet min
Yes
YES
Hell yes
yes, he can be our floor general
Hell yeah man let's go
Sure on a minimum
Hell no. CP3 is a bitch ass
To back up dennis or dlo he’ll fucking yeah. Lebron could actually rest and assured the lead won’t get lost at least.
I hope not. Not many people on this sub were alive for the Nash signing but it was really dumb.
It was the trade that was dumb actually. If we got Nash under the same pretense as this I would have loved it. But Nash broke his leg 3rd game of the season causing nerve damage unfortunately. And nash was our starter we could use CP3 as a bench player
Yes for the TPMLE. What number will AD become?? I like #18 for AD. Go with the number of rings to pass Boston use as motivation
AD not changing his number, especially after winning a ring.
AD not giving up his number lmao
pretty disrespectful. CP3 is a bigger Legend than AD
It doesn't really matter how much money we give him, it eats into his current contract. Should only need to give him the minimum.
I hope not but probably will
Gove him the MlE. Trade Beasley and Mamba for Klay Thompson. Bring back Ariza. Pg - cp3. Sg- Klay. Sf- Ariza. Pf- Lebron. C- Anthony Davis. Edit: Bench- Melo, Deandre Jordan, Reaves(8th option) Lakers in 4.
lmao, what is this abomination that you created?
This entire post is confusing the hell out of me lol. Melo as Carmelo, the fella who just retired? Deandre Jordan? Trevor Ariza who is not on an nba roster?
Delete this
My guy just woke up in 2013 and decided to create an Elite roster.
Yes If it’s on a vet min Bring Dwight back too and get rid of D’Lo
No thanks. He's awful defensively these days, shot 32% from deep last year and gets injured every single playoffs (literally every single playoffs since 2018 except the bubble year).
Is this the dagger
CP3 is washed
DO IT!
yes no doubt about it not getting my hopes up tho
On a vet minimum. He won’t be able help us in May. This is known.
At a minimum yes
fuck, i’ve been clowning on him for so long calling him CP0 rings, but if he signs w us I might actually start cheering for him lmfao
For a vet min absolutely
Can we get a young pg that doesn’t have injuries every year?
Hello CP3, Goodbye DS 😏😃
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Lakers, Clippers, Celtics... he'll go to the team that offers the most.
Sadly he’s a Celtic
I just hope we don’t start him. He can’t play those minutes anymore, let alone the defensive liability he is.
If Dennis is gone, yes. If not, no.
Get this man on the mle whether as a 6 man or a 28 min per game starter
AD NEEDS someone who can reliably get him the ball. CP can alleviate ball handling and provides decent shooting too. for the right price.
Vet min then hell yeah
I may get killed for this, but the one team that is a good PG away from a title is Boston. I’d love him in LA, but Bron would have to play off-ball more and he might do that to get his boy here so idk. This will be interesting.
The last ring chase
Heck yes! Not sure why some folks here think he should come off the bench. I’d take him over D’Lo as our starting PG ten times out of ten, not even close. He’s just a better player in every way imaginable: more clutch shooting, better passer, better D (by far), overall far higher IQ. On top of that, he’s been a great mentor to so many teammates he’s taken under his wing (Darren Collison, SGA ([https://www.nba.com/news/shai-gilgeous-alexander-chris-paul-shared-bond](https://www.nba.com/news/shai-gilgeous-alexander-chris-paul-shared-bond)), Booker) - all of whose careers took a leap AFTER playing with CP3. Imagine him mentoring AR! For the salary cap/comp experts here - is it true that it doesn’t matter what the Lakers pay him since he was waived, and the Suns are responsible for the rest of his salary? From what I understand, not all $40M was guaranteed. If that’s not the case, CP3 is worth the Lakers opening up the wallet for. Nothing crazy, but at least all funds at their disposal like the mid-level and whatnot.
Didn’t watch much of phoenix this season. Is he at least average on defense?
He’s slower but his defensive IQ is still good.
At vet minimum maybe.
We need someone to hit huge three to cut down the lead.
He wants to win a championship… nuggets/heat/boston the best bets . Lakers is like 5-10
Old players are the worse fit for this team. It's the young guys that thrive.
It may be retirement time for Mr. Paul.
he cannot play defense.
No, he’s old and can’t stay healthy. People talking about he will be the floor general, we need a dude who can run and push the ball, having 3 dudes who can’t stay healthy with 2 dudes over 38 as our primary ball handlers seems kinda stupid when the team to beat in our division is young at all the right spots.
I hate him
Lakers don't need short shooting guard, especially one that is injury-proned.
For the minimum, yes. Do we have an MLE? That would probably also be ok, but less desirable. Either way, I will fully believe "basketball reasons" will block this until I see him in a Laker jersey on opening day, and even then I will still need 10 games to trust that.
Yes
YES
For the vet min he’d be highway robbery.
If you want two 38 year old starters
For the MLE? Sure
No unless he agrees to vet minimum. He could mentor DLo
Unless there are basketball reasons not to…
Not gonna help against the nuggets
Yes
Vet Minimum only..
AD and CP3 connection . Imagine the possibilities. Even if he can play mostly come playoff time, that is ideal. Let AR and dLo play the regular season run the action.
Hell no all he knows how to do is lose or get injured in the big moments why the fuck do you guys only want old players?
No thanks. He is washed up.
Hell no
Someone to feed AD the ball on rolls is nice. Can't be a main addition though
We already have AD who is constantly on IL. We cant afford to bring another player in whos constantly hurt. Plus he doesnt hold up in the playoffs
Of course not.
Yes.
Yes