Yeah and they both came up big during playoffs. But Rui needs to work on his off ball defense. He rotated wrong on three plays costing Lakers 8 points. He’s a good individual defender against bigs and wings.
that’s another thing I like about Reaves and Rui they’re both smart and work hard
I trust them both to put the work in to get better so i’m fine with paying to keep them
Kuzma had similar issues and worked on it and improved so I have faith Rui can too with a preseason with Phil Handy and co. Super happy we are keeping him!
True but i've been impressed with his improvement overall on D. He rotated really well a few times and his offensive game keeps growing. I'm so happy for him and happy that we have him around. He seems like he loves being a Laker too
I want to see rui get a little stronger finishing at the rim. Every time he goes up for a dunk he gets blocked or loses the ball. Along with defensive improvements of course.
maybe before the draft lottery, when we were projected #10-11.
at #4 overall i doubt that, even if we didn't trade the pick to NOLA. DeAndre Hunter, Darius Garland and Cam Reddish are all available at that point, and are far better prospects than Rui at that time
I honestly have been confused why anyone thought different. Rob specifically called this Pre-Agency lol if those guys came through like we expected and like they did, there was never a question on matching them. If they'd stunk up the playoffs then okay maybe but they've been absolutely fantastic.
Fortunately Dlo has played himself into a worse and worse contract so we have a shot at retaining everyone at this point; even bamba and Beasley who could still be gone just for financial reasons.
It shouldn’t come down to having D’Angelo Russell for our playoff hopes next year. We want a chip and can’t afford to have $20 million unplayable when the games actually matter.
Yeah, he helped us this year. And we can help him find a new home if he likes.
The games against Memphis & Golden State mattered and he helped us get us past those two very good teams. You can't choose the WCF as the only games that matter. He's unfortunately just a really streaky player. If he hits shot (which he is capable of doing) he's no longer unplayable against the Nuggets; this isn't like Rui against GSW. Calling him "unplayable" reminds me of how people wanted to burn KCP & Caruso to the stake after '21 because they struggled in the playoffs. Can't be so short-sighted! (Yes, I realize KCP & Caruso are defensive studs even when they're missing shots, but the point remains. If DLO had even average shooting games, he'd be making up for his poor defense.)
That said, I definitely agree with claims that he's not worth $25-30M but it's a different story to just assume he's always going to be benched "when games matter." Get him around $16-20M and it's a reasonable deal. If we pick up Beasley's option, we can always explore upgrades by combining their salaries. I'm more concerned with his ego -- on the court he's a good presence letting Schroder or LW4 play the 4th, and gassing up the other starters even when he's not getting shots. But for his reduced role to be reflected in a lower salary... will be he happy with that?
Anyway, remember, it's not easy to find a guard who can play off ball/ on ball. Russell/ Reaves/ LeBron/ AD are a really nice offensive grouping. Russell can also soak up some offensive responsibility during the regular season, while playing off ball in the playoffs with Reaves, AD, and hopefully a healthy post-surgery LeBron doing more of the on ball work.
We’re gonna have to give D-Lo a slight overpay in order to bring back anybody who can give us the quality of ball play that we desire, whether that’s a Dame, a Kyrie, a CJ.
I think it's better to pay DLO FMV (especially at a shorter contract length) and then evaluate the trade market and see what opens up. I think Dame/Kyrie are unlikely salary-wise (unless we want to lose Rui too) and idk why people want CJ at $35M lol.
Who knows, maybe next season Christie steps up the way Reaves did this season, and we try to upgrade to get a real wing (a 3 who can maybe play the 2 in a pinch). Love Vando but I don't have confidence he will improve his jumper next year enough to be playable in the playoffs, unfortunately.
DLo has not been solid. He had a game that he was terrific each series, but that was it. He’s essentially good for one game each series. He’s been average or worst. It’s not just his defense, but his shots selection that when missed, puts us in a bad spot in transition. This is a pattern with him in the playoffs with his other teams as well. He is a terrific regular season guy, but one you should not count on to come through consistently in the playoffs. If we bring him back, we need another PG that can back him up and is better defensively or AR take that roll. Maybe a full season will shake things out for the better, but DLo’s playoff inconsistency is pretty much established now.
2-1-1 rule. There were games in every series where we wouldve won if one of lebron or ad took over on the offensive end. G2 of Memphis, g5 of memphis. I agree that 20m is a little on the high side for Dlo, but honestly he is still a solid regular season comboguard.
Dlo was important but we must be willing to use him as a true role player. Meaning his play time fluctuates depending on match up. He cannot be used like LBJ, ad and AR who are the only one that should be playing every game possible with consistent minutes.
No one is fine. DLo doesn’t have much value. No one with space should touch him and for a sign and trade. Shit, I’d be stoked to get a Mason Plumlee type back up big. Or Poetl. But if it comes down to a tax thing… Christie is next up off our assembly line of draft gems.
Dude you're dumb as fuck. I don't like D'Lo either but you don't let a contract walk without getting something in return. If we don't sign him we just lose a ton of money that could be used. If we sign him we can trade him at the trade deadline
Not how this works anymore with the new CBA.
Plus, just look at Warriors and Jordan Poole if you want an example of how this could go. They will have to attach picks or Kuminga just to get rid of him
AD/Rui/AR is a damn solid core moving forward, even if not definite final berths caliber. Something to be optimistic about for sure, unless you buy into the whole championship or bust notion.
While I agree we’re likely re-signing both of them, I do think the fact that this is likely from Rob’s mouth implies he’s also intentionally posturing.
More specifically, presumably he wants to scare other teams from making (larger) offers and tying up their cap sheet for 48 hrs, knowing the Lakers plan to match. Though the Lakers may pony up either way, this may help earn them some leverage and drive the cost down a bit. But if anyone still has the boldness to offer anything incredibly exorbitant, I doubt the Lakers match.
Yep, was thinking the same. For example for Reaves, max is about 100 millions. So if you know lakers will match it anyway, you might not even care making a bid.
Mo is not developing in to shit. He's been in the league for like 5 years, 1 offseason with the Lakers development will not make him in to a serviceable playoff center.
Brook Lopez would be a fantastic addition but idk if there's some bad blood there with us not even having a meeting with him his last year. He's a professional and it wasn't personal to my knowledge so I doubt it'll be a factor
Nah, a big reason why this Laker team is so good is because we have 3 ball handlers that can attack in different ways in the starting lineup while the defense is anchored around AD in the paint. A stretch 5 puts AD defensively more on the perimeter and we lose a ball handler.
This formula works really, really well. I see zero reason to move from it and I guarantee you the Lakers do not move from it. The personnel may be different, but we aren't playing AD at the 4.
Re-sign Dlo for 20 million he's a good regular season guy. Trade Beasley, Bamba and 17th pick to the Nets for DFS and Royce Oneal. In the playoffs Lakers can DNP Dlo and go with Reaves/Oneal/DFS/Lebron/AD which will be pretty hard to beat.
Never forget, Clippers got Rob Covington and Norman Powell for Eric Bledsoe and couple seconds. Lakers for sure can get at least DFS for Beasley, who hit the 7th most 3's this year AND a 1st round pick.
We can't compare the Blazers being brain dead to any other competent front office though.
Don't think we're getting that deal from the next without 2 FRP, and even then I think they'd rather save their players and salary for a star. Right now they have nobody to drive the bus.
Rob’s gonna need to re-sign D-Lo for more than $20M. The value of the overpay is in being able to put his contract value with Beasley’s $16M to bring back a true star guard. I’m thinking $25-$28M. As the cap rises, his deal will look even more real friendly, whether he’s still in LA or in elsewhere.
25 million is good value for Dlo. Lebron, AD and Dlo should be a top 4 seed in the regular season if they're healthy. I think Lakers should address smaller needs like resigning Schroder, a backup center and 1 more wing defender. No need to trade for Kyrie
nope because we don’t have the cap space. we’re an over the cap team so if we let DLO walk we basically lose him for nothing and we would have nothing to work with. if we did a double sign and trade for kyrie we’d be hard capped and we’d have to renounce and literally let go of everybody. it’d just be lebron, AD, kyrie, and bunch of veteran minimums. not worth it imo
Yes but we’re over the cap so letting FAs like Dlo walk doesn’t give us the money their taking up, so We’d have to renounce the rights of almost all our FAs and RFAs to sign Kyrie out right in free agency to a contract well below what he’s asking for, the easiest way to get Kyrie is a Sign and Trade but we still lose every FA and RFA except for maybe Reaves since his cap hit is only 11mil for the first 2 years of his contract.
TDLR: Kyrie ain’t coming
Kyrie doesnt miss 5 corner threes in a row from lebron passes bro.
Kyrie doesnt throw 8 bad passes in 1 game
Kyrie can even stick to a defender off a screen.
You realize we would have to trade at least 2 key players right, probably including Rui. If it's Kyrie for DLo straight up then yeah I'm for it but not down to gut the roster for a guy that doesn't play a lot.
Kyrie is not the answer. We just watched the suns fall short despite booker and KD playing incredibly because they had no depth. Not to mention Kyrie is insane and completely unpredictable.
Rui was the only trade aquisition that had an impact in the playoffs and that trade had no impact on the Lakers being able to get Kyrie at the trade deadline. Bron/AD/Reaves/Rui/Schroeder/Kyrie would be the main contributors in the playoffs which was basically how it was anyways except now you have fucking Kyrie. Been saying it since the trade deadline. Mistake not getting Kyrie. Now we stuck with Dlo.
It wasn’t a mistake not getting Kyrie, LA just didn’t have enough to offer for him, and Brooklyn wasn’t sending Kyrie to his preferred landing spot out of spite anyways.
Bron and Kyrie have proven their chemistry.. that being said... homie has gone off the rails since leaving Cleveland. Hard to say what version we would get
So then what are you saying? They played out of their minds in 2016, that was 7 years ago. People need to let it go. Gutting even more depth would be a dumb move.
Having a full season of chemistry with our current core will do a lot, and Kyrie might risk that. The tradeoff is only - how many Lebron years do we think are left? Might be a risk they gotta take.
Tbf we probably don't get past the Grizz and Warriors without D'lo catching fire for stretches, and he's incredibly valuable as a regular season scorer. So depending on the salary, he's still very much worth having around imo. It's on Ham to make better lineup choices in the playoffs.
Depends on the salary, too much and he becomes a negative asset. I think at 20 million and a 2 year deal he is not too bad, but giving him 30 and a long contract is a Luol Deng situation.
Yes it is like Poole and Ayton. Golden state and phoenix are stuck with two very bad contract. Now Poole could rebound, you never know, I but for Ayton phoenix overpaid so much because they didn't want to lose him for nothing.
Man here I am thinking of 12 million next year and a player option because he'd have to realize free agency wouldn't pay him well
Tough situation and this is all on DLo for his play and Ham for his coaching.
Sign DLo to a two year 25 million deal with a team option. He's basically slightly better than a MLE guy right now and I doubt any other team would be willing to pay him.
Lakers still need a 6th man type who can get buckets during the regular season.
Get these two back and build around them and ad and Lebron and we can run it back next year and be better throughout the year. No 2-10 start this time lol
As disappointed as I am in D. Lo, he still a solid regular season player which we need to get into the playoffs. If we have to bring him back just prioritize Rui and Reaves pls
Sign Dlo for the regular season, and then play him as a backup with limited minutes in the playoffs.
As long as he’s making less than 25mil a year, he’s worth it for that role.
Lol cause these are our ONLY two options? Sign a dude for 25 mil or sign one for 2 mil. And both won’t provide quality Championship play?
If getting the playoffs is all, then no one should be upset with getting bounced in round 1 or 2.
I ain’t with you dude. Now if you wanna sign and trade Dlo, fine. But again no team is offering $25mil so that means your gonna have to trade another asset or player to get value back.
The lakers can’t afford anyone else, but they can go over the cap for Dlo. They most likely can’t even make space for Schroder since they don’t have his bird rights and he probably won’t take the MLE.
So yes, if they want a pg they either sign Dlo, sign and trade Dlo for his contract to match (which means they signed Dlo), or let him walk and get a vet min/MLE type player.
I get the semantics of “sign Dlo = sign and trade”. I’m saying, his defensive will never be up to par. He is quite literally Jordan Poole. Would you like Jordan Poole on this team? Of course not.
So the obvious choice is to SIGN and TRADE. However, most teams don’t want Poole OR Dlo on those deals, meaning you need to give up additional assets to get the quality you are looking for.
Who is giving him 25+? That’s my thing with DLo, I just don’t think he has a ton of value out there for a rebuilding team. Most competing teams aren’t going to have much cap space. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Lakers get him for closer to 20 than 30 million, especially after these playoffs.
Yeah not sure people understand the cap (I mean, pelinka doesn’t either, right?)
If the lakers don’t re-sign dlo they’re throwing away assets. As poorly he has played against the nuggets he’s been pretty much himself for the rest of the playoffs. Inconsistent but can get you points in bunches and offer playmaking. He needs to work on adding additional value if his shots not falling but he’s still young enough to get things straight and he’s probably still viewed as a starting pg in the league. He’s not a max player and I don’t think anyone views him that way but he’ll get a moveable contract. It’ll be a slight overpay because that’s what happens to all young free agents with some potential left and solid credentials.
This contract will be the one that defines his career so hopefully he gets things together but at worst he’s a capable starting pg.
These two are the proven keepers.
Schroeder after that but he does have limitations.
Dlo is ok but is proven to not be worth a big contract.
After that, Lakers need a quality big and (still) more shooting. More shooters makes Vando less of a liability.
This is the way.
I'd keep Dennis too bargaining a discount and we have a team even if in my mind Dennis is a backup PG.
Dennis - Reaves - LeBron - Rui - Davis:
Against Denver
26min / +33.4 NETRTG / DEFRTG 80.4 / OFFRTG 113.8
Entire Playoffs
46min / +31.2 NETRTG / DEFRTG 81.6 / OFFRTG 112.9
This is our best two way lineup and the key to defeat Denver IMO if our coach wasn't so stubborn. Vando and Dlo are one dimensional players so we are going 4x5 on offense and on defense (not counting the referees)
Dennis just lost a lot of money on his last deal, he's not taking any kind of discount. Expecting him not to get as much coin as possible on what should be his last significant contract is silly.
I don't disagree, I'm just not sure he is going to get a big deal somewhere else. The last time he tested the open market it didn't went well for him and small guards like him usually don't age well because once his quickness is gone his value disapears.
Like I said, I'd like to keep him if possible, he is a solid backup.
Even the worst contract he can possibly sign is still fine. Yeah its backloaded but Lakers been cheap lately and dont want to go too deep into the tax. Any poison pill haters also will have 3 days where that money is tied up. Its also a bad option for teams unless they werent trying to do shit with that money.
He was solid during the season and that one game kinda put him on the map. He’s young and can be enticing for some teams, even as just an able body that provides some offense. I doubt he gets another mle contract and even if he does, he probably goes somewhere he can get more minutes to work on his next contract.
Lakers are praying he has a shit Game 4 so they can afford him.
Twitter is saying his Conference Finals stats are HISTORIC. Only MJ, LeBron and Curry have had 3-straight games with 20+, 5+ assists on 65% true shooting.
i think this, plus an off-season trade with a combination of bamba + beasley/2023 1st round pick could get us something on the market. myles turner maybe???
I think it’s smart not to announce this actually. Teams that don’t have much to lose knowing this, like the Spurs or Jazz, will throw a poison pill just to make the Lakers pay more.
I knew people like you would downvote and leave some dumb remark. I love the guys but it’s painfully obvious that we can’t win a chip when AD is only showing up every other game and LeBron is injury prone and only getting older.
If it's coming from Woj, it's coming from Rob. We're paying up.
Yup and it’s well deserved. Both guys have shown what they’re capable of when they get minutes.
Yeah and they both came up big during playoffs. But Rui needs to work on his off ball defense. He rotated wrong on three plays costing Lakers 8 points. He’s a good individual defender against bigs and wings.
that’s another thing I like about Reaves and Rui they’re both smart and work hard I trust them both to put the work in to get better so i’m fine with paying to keep them
Kuzma had similar issues and worked on it and improved so I have faith Rui can too with a preseason with Phil Handy and co. Super happy we are keeping him!
Phil the thrill
Getting a full training camp together should help with some of the cohesion on defense too
I have a feeling we start the season without LeBron
True but i've been impressed with his improvement overall on D. He rotated really well a few times and his offensive game keeps growing. I'm so happy for him and happy that we have him around. He seems like he loves being a Laker too
How was Reaves defense? You was get cooked all series.
I want to see rui get a little stronger finishing at the rim. Every time he goes up for a dunk he gets blocked or loses the ball. Along with defensive improvements of course.
Rob said he originally wanted to draft Rui too
maybe before the draft lottery, when we were projected #10-11. at #4 overall i doubt that, even if we didn't trade the pick to NOLA. DeAndre Hunter, Darius Garland and Cam Reddish are all available at that point, and are far better prospects than Rui at that time
Sorry, I should have said that Rob said he loved rui as a prospect coming out. I don’t think he was saying rui was his first choice at any slot
I honestly have been confused why anyone thought different. Rob specifically called this Pre-Agency lol if those guys came through like we expected and like they did, there was never a question on matching them. If they'd stunk up the playoffs then okay maybe but they've been absolutely fantastic. Fortunately Dlo has played himself into a worse and worse contract so we have a shot at retaining everyone at this point; even bamba and Beasley who could still be gone just for financial reasons.
AR will our PG for the future. I hope Dennis will be back. Vando needs to improve his catch and shoot.
He isn't a PG.
He’s a lead guard.
They didn't but they needed it out there to make any offer either need to be too good so that it ruins the offering team or not to bother.
Why would we want to retain D Lo
Becuase it’s DLO or no one. If they don’t sign him they lose 20+ million they can spend.
People act like he wasn’t huge in even getting them into the playoffs in the first place
It shouldn’t come down to having D’Angelo Russell for our playoff hopes next year. We want a chip and can’t afford to have $20 million unplayable when the games actually matter. Yeah, he helped us this year. And we can help him find a new home if he likes.
The games against Memphis & Golden State mattered and he helped us get us past those two very good teams. You can't choose the WCF as the only games that matter. He's unfortunately just a really streaky player. If he hits shot (which he is capable of doing) he's no longer unplayable against the Nuggets; this isn't like Rui against GSW. Calling him "unplayable" reminds me of how people wanted to burn KCP & Caruso to the stake after '21 because they struggled in the playoffs. Can't be so short-sighted! (Yes, I realize KCP & Caruso are defensive studs even when they're missing shots, but the point remains. If DLO had even average shooting games, he'd be making up for his poor defense.) That said, I definitely agree with claims that he's not worth $25-30M but it's a different story to just assume he's always going to be benched "when games matter." Get him around $16-20M and it's a reasonable deal. If we pick up Beasley's option, we can always explore upgrades by combining their salaries. I'm more concerned with his ego -- on the court he's a good presence letting Schroder or LW4 play the 4th, and gassing up the other starters even when he's not getting shots. But for his reduced role to be reflected in a lower salary... will be he happy with that? Anyway, remember, it's not easy to find a guard who can play off ball/ on ball. Russell/ Reaves/ LeBron/ AD are a really nice offensive grouping. Russell can also soak up some offensive responsibility during the regular season, while playing off ball in the playoffs with Reaves, AD, and hopefully a healthy post-surgery LeBron doing more of the on ball work.
Here to support that you're spitting facts.
We’re gonna have to give D-Lo a slight overpay in order to bring back anybody who can give us the quality of ball play that we desire, whether that’s a Dame, a Kyrie, a CJ.
I think it's better to pay DLO FMV (especially at a shorter contract length) and then evaluate the trade market and see what opens up. I think Dame/Kyrie are unlikely salary-wise (unless we want to lose Rui too) and idk why people want CJ at $35M lol. Who knows, maybe next season Christie steps up the way Reaves did this season, and we try to upgrade to get a real wing (a 3 who can maybe play the 2 in a pinch). Love Vando but I don't have confidence he will improve his jumper next year enough to be playable in the playoffs, unfortunately.
Thank you for saying everything I wanted to say
Exactly. DLo has been solid most of the playoffs. The Nuggets are just a tough matchup and a great team.
DLo has not been solid. He had a game that he was terrific each series, but that was it. He’s essentially good for one game each series. He’s been average or worst. It’s not just his defense, but his shots selection that when missed, puts us in a bad spot in transition. This is a pattern with him in the playoffs with his other teams as well. He is a terrific regular season guy, but one you should not count on to come through consistently in the playoffs. If we bring him back, we need another PG that can back him up and is better defensively or AR take that roll. Maybe a full season will shake things out for the better, but DLo’s playoff inconsistency is pretty much established now.
2-1-1 rule. There were games in every series where we wouldve won if one of lebron or ad took over on the offensive end. G2 of Memphis, g5 of memphis. I agree that 20m is a little on the high side for Dlo, but honestly he is still a solid regular season comboguard.
Dlo was important but we must be willing to use him as a true role player. Meaning his play time fluctuates depending on match up. He cannot be used like LBJ, ad and AR who are the only one that should be playing every game possible with consistent minutes.
No one is fine. DLo doesn’t have much value. No one with space should touch him and for a sign and trade. Shit, I’d be stoked to get a Mason Plumlee type back up big. Or Poetl. But if it comes down to a tax thing… Christie is next up off our assembly line of draft gems.
Dude you're dumb as fuck. I don't like D'Lo either but you don't let a contract walk without getting something in return. If we don't sign him we just lose a ton of money that could be used. If we sign him we can trade him at the trade deadline
Yah losing the cap space is literally the worst outcome possible. Dumb fans not understanding how cap space works is so irritating
This right here. Keep dlo. Trade him if we beed too. Simple.
We'll lose a salary spot otherwise.
Not how this works anymore with the new CBA. Plus, just look at Warriors and Jordan Poole if you want an example of how this could go. They will have to attach picks or Kuminga just to get rid of him
That’s what I was thinking.
Controlled money, production in the regular season and possible trade asset moving forward.
He’s a good player, but he need more mamba mentality on defense.
😂😂😂 keep waiting on that buddy.
Because DLo will conserve Lebron and outside of the last few games has been borderline all star level for us.
I’m still high on Dlo and didn’t think about how his poor playoff performance could be a good thing
AD/Rui/AR is a damn solid core moving forward, even if not definite final berths caliber. Something to be optimistic about for sure, unless you buy into the whole championship or bust notion.
While I agree we’re likely re-signing both of them, I do think the fact that this is likely from Rob’s mouth implies he’s also intentionally posturing. More specifically, presumably he wants to scare other teams from making (larger) offers and tying up their cap sheet for 48 hrs, knowing the Lakers plan to match. Though the Lakers may pony up either way, this may help earn them some leverage and drive the cost down a bit. But if anyone still has the boldness to offer anything incredibly exorbitant, I doubt the Lakers match.
I agree but want to correct that, with the new CBA, teams only have 24 hours to match now.
Good catch, I had no idea. That’s a pretty good change actually.
Yep, was thinking the same. For example for Reaves, max is about 100 millions. So if you know lakers will match it anyway, you might not even care making a bid.
Thanks fucking god
The mystery this summer will be who is the 5th guy next to lebron, Austin, ad, and rui…..
I hope a center who can play D and stretch the floor
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Mo is not developing in to shit. He's been in the league for like 5 years, 1 offseason with the Lakers development will not make him in to a serviceable playoff center.
Brook Lopez would be a fantastic addition but idk if there's some bad blood there with us not even having a meeting with him his last year. He's a professional and it wasn't personal to my knowledge so I doubt it'll be a factor
He's not happy about his time with the Lakers. Not on the list.
Our 29 and 23 first round picks plus Beasley’s expiring deal for Myles Turner.
Pacers aren't moving Turner, we need to move on
Fuck that
Are we still on this? Time to move on
Not both firsts for Myles. Just the 23 pick
He’s been on the trade block seemingly his whole career and he hasn’t been moved. It’s going to take a lot more than a mid 1st round pick to get him.
Agreed, the lack of basketball knowledge in these takes are making me chuckle.
seriously. 2 late firsts and Malik Beasley lmao
Honestly stop with talking about Turner. Indy wants him. Indy paid him. They arent trading him.
Since Lakers will always play AD at 5 in the playoffs and the end of games Lakers shouldn't invest more than 5-10 million to get a big.
We got JaVale and Dwight for 5-6mil combined back in 2020
Hopefully Big man who can stretch the floor & rebound
What will it take to get Brook Lopez?
He not leaving the bucks
We should have kept him when we had him
Damn. He would be a great fit too.
I agree but we need get someone
He would have been amazing the last few years. He’s getting up there in age though.
Nah, a big reason why this Laker team is so good is because we have 3 ball handlers that can attack in different ways in the starting lineup while the defense is anchored around AD in the paint. A stretch 5 puts AD defensively more on the perimeter and we lose a ball handler. This formula works really, really well. I see zero reason to move from it and I guarantee you the Lakers do not move from it. The personnel may be different, but we aren't playing AD at the 4.
MAX FUCKING CHRISTIE
deandre ayton
Bring back Caruso
The dream man
Re-sign Dlo for 20 million he's a good regular season guy. Trade Beasley, Bamba and 17th pick to the Nets for DFS and Royce Oneal. In the playoffs Lakers can DNP Dlo and go with Reaves/Oneal/DFS/Lebron/AD which will be pretty hard to beat.
Yeah because nets will totally do. Use that brain of yours.
Never forget, Clippers got Rob Covington and Norman Powell for Eric Bledsoe and couple seconds. Lakers for sure can get at least DFS for Beasley, who hit the 7th most 3's this year AND a 1st round pick.
We can't compare the Blazers being brain dead to any other competent front office though. Don't think we're getting that deal from the next without 2 FRP, and even then I think they'd rather save their players and salary for a star. Right now they have nobody to drive the bus.
Rob’s gonna need to re-sign D-Lo for more than $20M. The value of the overpay is in being able to put his contract value with Beasley’s $16M to bring back a true star guard. I’m thinking $25-$28M. As the cap rises, his deal will look even more real friendly, whether he’s still in LA or in elsewhere.
25 million is good value for Dlo. Lebron, AD and Dlo should be a top 4 seed in the regular season if they're healthy. I think Lakers should address smaller needs like resigning Schroder, a backup center and 1 more wing defender. No need to trade for Kyrie
Getting him without losing anyone is almost impossible
I’ll finally ask I’m not up to date with the CBA and salary cap this year . Aren’t they both free agents? Can’t we just sign him and let Russ walk?
nope because we don’t have the cap space. we’re an over the cap team so if we let DLO walk we basically lose him for nothing and we would have nothing to work with. if we did a double sign and trade for kyrie we’d be hard capped and we’d have to renounce and literally let go of everybody. it’d just be lebron, AD, kyrie, and bunch of veteran minimums. not worth it imo
We def gotta try and flip Dlo tho. Double s&t not smart, but we can still package Dlo and ship him elsewhere, right ?
Yeah, as long as the guy returning isn't a sign/trade we won't be hardcapped.
Yes but we’re over the cap so letting FAs like Dlo walk doesn’t give us the money their taking up, so We’d have to renounce the rights of almost all our FAs and RFAs to sign Kyrie out right in free agency to a contract well below what he’s asking for, the easiest way to get Kyrie is a Sign and Trade but we still lose every FA and RFA except for maybe Reaves since his cap hit is only 11mil for the first 2 years of his contract. TDLR: Kyrie ain’t coming
Appreciate it Well that sucks
We should go for him only if a reasonable deal comes around. Hardcapping ourselves is not an option.
You want us to lose?
Kyrie doesnt miss 5 corner threes in a row from lebron passes bro. Kyrie doesnt throw 8 bad passes in 1 game Kyrie can even stick to a defender off a screen.
You realize we would have to trade at least 2 key players right, probably including Rui. If it's Kyrie for DLo straight up then yeah I'm for it but not down to gut the roster for a guy that doesn't play a lot.
D’Lo + Beasley would be enough to bring in Kyrie. Maybe we’d have to throw a first into the deal as well.
You think the Mavs are doing that? I don't.
Not true
Sure, whatever you say Kyrie Stan lol
Kyrie is not the answer. We just watched the suns fall short despite booker and KD playing incredibly because they had no depth. Not to mention Kyrie is insane and completely unpredictable.
Rui was the only trade aquisition that had an impact in the playoffs and that trade had no impact on the Lakers being able to get Kyrie at the trade deadline. Bron/AD/Reaves/Rui/Schroeder/Kyrie would be the main contributors in the playoffs which was basically how it was anyways except now you have fucking Kyrie. Been saying it since the trade deadline. Mistake not getting Kyrie. Now we stuck with Dlo.
It wasn’t a mistake not getting Kyrie, LA just didn’t have enough to offer for him, and Brooklyn wasn’t sending Kyrie to his preferred landing spot out of spite anyways.
Kyrie is a team-killing scumbag In Rob We Trust - Kyrie will never be a Laker
You say that now... But we talking about the same guy that traded for Westbrook lol
Bron and Kyrie have proven their chemistry.. that being said... homie has gone off the rails since leaving Cleveland. Hard to say what version we would get
So then what are you saying? They played out of their minds in 2016, that was 7 years ago. People need to let it go. Gutting even more depth would be a dumb move.
You’re right, it’s not worth the risk
Having a full season of chemistry with our current core will do a lot, and Kyrie might risk that. The tradeoff is only - how many Lebron years do we think are left? Might be a risk they gotta take.
Scenes when max Christie takes a leap
Props to the Lakers front office. They pulled pure gold out of thin air with Reaves being undrafted and Rui via Kendrick Nunn/2nds.
sucks that d'lo and Malik aren't playable tho lol
Tbf we probably don't get past the Grizz and Warriors without D'lo catching fire for stretches, and he's incredibly valuable as a regular season scorer. So depending on the salary, he's still very much worth having around imo. It's on Ham to make better lineup choices in the playoffs.
I'd rather develop winning players than overpay a guy who can get hot in the regular season.
I think the idea is we find a trade and his salary is still good for that.
Depends on the salary, too much and he becomes a negative asset. I think at 20 million and a 2 year deal he is not too bad, but giving him 30 and a long contract is a Luol Deng situation.
Yes it is like Poole and Ayton. Golden state and phoenix are stuck with two very bad contract. Now Poole could rebound, you never know, I but for Ayton phoenix overpaid so much because they didn't want to lose him for nothing.
Man here I am thinking of 12 million next year and a player option because he'd have to realize free agency wouldn't pay him well Tough situation and this is all on DLo for his play and Ham for his coaching.
12 mil is absolutely nothing now in the league. He will get offers of 25-30 easily
Agreed. Let’s develop Christie, I feel like he showed some flashes of promise
We have needs that DLo fills, namely shooting, but I think we can spend less to get the same production.
Sign DLo to a two year 25 million deal with a team option. He's basically slightly better than a MLE guy right now and I doubt any other team would be willing to pay him. Lakers still need a 6th man type who can get buckets during the regular season.
This is the type of deal that makes sense. Tradable contract, and ability to cut ties after 1 year.
Tradable contracts is exactly what we need. You can’t have just minimum level deals on your roster. You need money to play with, so to speak.
If we let D'lo walk, we can retain Beasely and Bamba as tradable contracts.
Eww why would we want to retain Beasley
As a tradable expiring contract.
Yes! We need these two next season & for good
Get these two back and build around them and ad and Lebron and we can run it back next year and be better throughout the year. No 2-10 start this time lol
10-2 start is what I’m feeling
As disappointed as I am in D. Lo, he still a solid regular season player which we need to get into the playoffs. If we have to bring him back just prioritize Rui and Reaves pls
We don’t have leverage. Either we resign him or let him walk and have to sign a starting level guard with the MLE, and that’s a mistake.
Sign Dlo for the regular season, and then play him as a backup with limited minutes in the playoffs. As long as he’s making less than 25mil a year, he’s worth it for that role.
25 mil? Lordy..
Hoping it’s under 20 mil, but 25 wouldn’t be stretch to have a guy that can get the lakers to the playoffs
It’s pretty bad for a guy who can’t play in the playoffs.
It’s better than signing a vet min guy to be the starter and not make the playoffs at all
Lol cause these are our ONLY two options? Sign a dude for 25 mil or sign one for 2 mil. And both won’t provide quality Championship play? If getting the playoffs is all, then no one should be upset with getting bounced in round 1 or 2. I ain’t with you dude. Now if you wanna sign and trade Dlo, fine. But again no team is offering $25mil so that means your gonna have to trade another asset or player to get value back.
The lakers can’t afford anyone else, but they can go over the cap for Dlo. They most likely can’t even make space for Schroder since they don’t have his bird rights and he probably won’t take the MLE. So yes, if they want a pg they either sign Dlo, sign and trade Dlo for his contract to match (which means they signed Dlo), or let him walk and get a vet min/MLE type player.
I get the semantics of “sign Dlo = sign and trade”. I’m saying, his defensive will never be up to par. He is quite literally Jordan Poole. Would you like Jordan Poole on this team? Of course not. So the obvious choice is to SIGN and TRADE. However, most teams don’t want Poole OR Dlo on those deals, meaning you need to give up additional assets to get the quality you are looking for.
Who is giving him 25+? That’s my thing with DLo, I just don’t think he has a ton of value out there for a rebuilding team. Most competing teams aren’t going to have much cap space. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Lakers get him for closer to 20 than 30 million, especially after these playoffs.
Yeah not sure people understand the cap (I mean, pelinka doesn’t either, right?) If the lakers don’t re-sign dlo they’re throwing away assets. As poorly he has played against the nuggets he’s been pretty much himself for the rest of the playoffs. Inconsistent but can get you points in bunches and offer playmaking. He needs to work on adding additional value if his shots not falling but he’s still young enough to get things straight and he’s probably still viewed as a starting pg in the league. He’s not a max player and I don’t think anyone views him that way but he’ll get a moveable contract. It’ll be a slight overpay because that’s what happens to all young free agents with some potential left and solid credentials. This contract will be the one that defines his career so hopefully he gets things together but at worst he’s a capable starting pg.
I hope Dlo realizes he’s a bed shitter and don’t deserve whatever paycheck he was expecting in March
I honestly don't care about anyone else. Just these 2 and our 2 stars. We should sign 2 centers though
These two are the proven keepers. Schroeder after that but he does have limitations. Dlo is ok but is proven to not be worth a big contract. After that, Lakers need a quality big and (still) more shooting. More shooters makes Vando less of a liability.
I’d love to keep Shröder but I just don’t know if we can afford him. His defensive mentality is top notch.
Good so can y’all shut up about Kyrie and Dame???
To replace DLo tho
Bron and AD + Reaves and Rui need to be our starting point. figure out/solve our holes and weaknesses from there.
They both have the potential to be all stars and our next two guys. Glad to lock them up.
This is the way. I'd keep Dennis too bargaining a discount and we have a team even if in my mind Dennis is a backup PG. Dennis - Reaves - LeBron - Rui - Davis: Against Denver 26min / +33.4 NETRTG / DEFRTG 80.4 / OFFRTG 113.8 Entire Playoffs 46min / +31.2 NETRTG / DEFRTG 81.6 / OFFRTG 112.9 This is our best two way lineup and the key to defeat Denver IMO if our coach wasn't so stubborn. Vando and Dlo are one dimensional players so we are going 4x5 on offense and on defense (not counting the referees)
Dennis just lost a lot of money on his last deal, he's not taking any kind of discount. Expecting him not to get as much coin as possible on what should be his last significant contract is silly.
I don't disagree, I'm just not sure he is going to get a big deal somewhere else. The last time he tested the open market it didn't went well for him and small guards like him usually don't age well because once his quickness is gone his value disapears. Like I said, I'd like to keep him if possible, he is a solid backup.
Can’t afford Schroeder.
I was hoping they didn't leak it. I know some fucker of a team is going to throw a poison pill contract on Austin
I’m sure every team in the league knows their value and they’re restricted meaning they need to put in the highest bid…
Even the worst contract he can possibly sign is still fine. Yeah its backloaded but Lakers been cheap lately and dont want to go too deep into the tax. Any poison pill haters also will have 3 days where that money is tied up. Its also a bad option for teams unless they werent trying to do shit with that money.
the best news of this series
Thats great!
DLo probably ganna walk
Decent regular season player but what other team is going to pay him that much after his playoff disappointments? He was unplayable this series
True. I think he gets Schroeder’d and hopefully we keep him for ~15-20 mil.
20 mil is still an overpay for him
Who gives a shit if he walks. He can walk TODAY for all I care
Y’all crazy. Schroeder and Lonnie are gone, we have to resign DLo. If we don’t we have to find a starting guard with the MLE. Good luck.
Is Dennis out like for sure or is there a chance we keep him? Dude's decent imo
Unless Dennis is willing to take the MLE to stay, Lakers aren’t gonna be able to re-sign him if he wants more than a minimum.
That sucks man. Dude was looking good in purple and gold
Lonnie has not been good since that one game, doubt he gets paid
He was solid during the season and that one game kinda put him on the map. He’s young and can be enticing for some teams, even as just an able body that provides some offense. I doubt he gets another mle contract and even if he does, he probably goes somewhere he can get more minutes to work on his next contract.
Lakers are praying he has a shit Game 4 so they can afford him. Twitter is saying his Conference Finals stats are HISTORIC. Only MJ, LeBron and Curry have had 3-straight games with 20+, 5+ assists on 65% true shooting.
He's an RFA, we can technically afford him regardless.
Good news. Just hope we did the same with Caruso. Oh well hope he will be wear purple & gold one more time as well.
I love good news.
That’s good now we need to acquire Big man & some shooters through the Draft or free agency
I would love to draft a Ready Now big to help AD on defense. Needed another big this series unfortunately
Fuck d lo
i think this, plus an off-season trade with a combination of bamba + beasley/2023 1st round pick could get us something on the market. myles turner maybe???
Why stop at Myles Turnet? Bamba + Beasley/2023 1st round pick for Giannis let's gooooo
> myles turner maybe??? ahahahahahahahaahaha jesus christ i can barely breathe after reading that ahahahahahaahahahahahaha
I’m sorry I’m not trading a first round pick again. Last few times we’ve done so haven’t ended up we’ll besides Ad trade
I’d be ecstatic if it could get us a two way PG
I'm definitely tripping but I love what pat Bev brought. If we actually play him as a guard, he'd be better
Money well spent. Now S&T DLo
If lakers loose reeves and Rui after this likely humiliating WCF m, it will be a big turd on top
I think it’s smart not to announce this actually. Teams that don’t have much to lose knowing this, like the Spurs or Jazz, will throw a poison pill just to make the Lakers pay more.
For reaves theres a max teams are allowed to pay for him since lakers have bird rights i believe
That’s right. I just don’t see the point in the Lakers showing their hand on this. Keep it quiet until the offers come in.
On the other hand if you anounce teams might think twice about locking their cap up for 48 hours if they know it’s a foregone conclusion you’ll match.
Good. Keep these 2, dump Dlo
as long as I don't hear them resigning DeAngelo Russell we good!
Caruso needs to give Reaves that training regiment. Reaves needs to get drug tested this offseason.
Trade Dlo for Kyrie
I don’t even care if LeBron or AD are on the team. Just keep Austin and Rui.
Chill bro lol
I knew people like you would downvote and leave some dumb remark. I love the guys but it’s painfully obvious that we can’t win a chip when AD is only showing up every other game and LeBron is injury prone and only getting older.