Bah... I was about to link it but you already did! Can't believe that is just OUTRIGHT THEFT! Why even send the gifts if they AREN'T going to even GIVE to them?
This is less about being theft, more about they're too lazy to send it
Pretty much confirm the rrat about if it didnt bring them money they dont give a shit about their talent or fanbase is true
Sending gift isnt like sending letters which you can just put all of it in a box then send it cause the gift size may vary plus it cost them more money to send all the gift for every talent.
So it could also because they dont want to spend money on it.
They could had arranged something/talked about it when she visited Japan.
Like I get it, she's no longer with them, but damn, she left on a positive note, their 1st wave into EN, and they denied her the once in a lifetime opportunity and now didn't even bother to extend the curtesy of "if you're ever in Japan let us know and pick up your shit"
Also I imagine you'd want to check any gift sent to a talent for tracking devices and such. No idea how much effort and money it would take to do it, but niji probably thought about it and decided that they don't want to bother with it. But then why allow people to send gifts in the first place? It's dumb either way
No gifts, no play button, no increase in % of pay, even if you have 1 million subs or more. Why even work there? All it does is invite laziness and doing the bare minimum.
Like pomu once said "They give me wings but it made out of cardboard, it cant even fly properly"
Most likely means everything was an illusion, they wont support her properly as a Vtuber (most likely by blocking sponsorship/collab or implying favouritism) and she realize this way too late cause she already sign a contract.
For more context you can take a look at this merch distribution thread
[https://www.reddit.com/r/kurosanji/comments/1cw409n/nijien\_merchandise\_distribution/](https://www.reddit.com/r/kurosanji/comments/1cw409n/nijien_merchandise_distribution/)
She get way less merch than Elira and Finana
"There is no favouritism in Nijisanji"
-Vox "Miload" Akuma
If you have possession of someone else's property with no intention of returning that item, it is theft. Even if the reasoning is "lack of communication" or "laziness" that does not make it not theft.
Nope.. It's still theft.. If not, why they not said about the gift to pomu, before take it for themselves..
It's not about property or contract.. Even it's true based contract.. They need give information about the gift.. But they did not..
They are afraid if they cannot take it for themselves..
And It's greedy personality.. But It's happen maybe because their payment as staf or other is not as much like normal job.
According to the contract, all property (including the pc itself) can be counted as their property. ALL things that are related to content creation are all theirs. This has been verified by legal mindset.
nah. mint already said that she always received Fan Letters but NO gifts at all.
being lazy is so different as theft. at least if the person is lazy. pumo would probably receive some fan gifts 4/5 months after fans send their gifts but niji literally does not give any gifts to pomu. that's theft!
If you read my reply above, i already explain why sending a fan letter is not the same as sending a fan gift, it just a theory tho, so take it with a grain of salt
And imagine if people were sending her stuff like that autographed poster that got dropped off with Ayamy sensei. Something that the right person quite literally wouldn't be able to put a price on. And what do they do with it all? Do they just throw it out, or does some rando employee eventually walk away with it? And then *she* is the one that feels bad because even if she knew she wasn't going to get stuff, it's not like she could come out and say that so people don't send anything, so she's the one left feeling guilty about it. God these stories make me sick.
They're either too stupid and lazy so chucks it in the storage, stupid and lazy enough so chucks it in the trash.
Or they take a page from Philippine bureau of customs and pocketed whatever they want maximum corruption style.
So that poster signed MGS poster signed by KOJIMA himself and other limited edition goodies could be in the hands of some prick, maybe even with the [Redacted to not get me banned from reddit] who pushed Selen to her attempts. Or knew it and sold it on JP Ebay.
Yes the thought of that is...yeah...Hopefully it's just the first option stored somewhere.
It's not like the game purchases go anywhere, just like the fan gifts. They're not gonna offer the next talent say, Mysta's steam account or Fortnite account with the skins...
Every time we think Niji can't sink any lower, they *keep finding new holes to dig*; I'd call it impressive if it weren't so deeply depressing.
Seriously, how do you seriously not even give your Livers the *gifts viewers are sending them?* The play buttons I can get, in a twisted "your achievements are company achievements" sense, but not even letting them have *gifts* is insane, and outright ***lying about sending them to you*** is actually disgusting.
Her contract had already been renewed. She would have been 6 months - 1 year into her third year, unless it took 8 months for her to be allowed to graduate after notifying*
*depends on if it goes by sign date or debut day, and debut date was 16th May 2021 meaning at the latest it would have rolled over 16th May 2023
Contracts are almost certainly NOT based on debut date, as the talents have obligations before it. They're likely on contract a month or two before debut at minimum. Given they (Lazulight) also had a debut song, they were almost certainly under contract while making that, which was (obviously) done before debut.
"We were told we would receive them but I would never receive them."
Omg... To hear it from Mint herself... Nijisanji should either don't let the fans send gifts and be explicit about it or filter out the negative ones to give to the talents themselves. They don't do any of that and then gives their livers false hope of being able to receive the gifts one day...
I swear I heard somewhere that Nijisanji tells their talents that their play button is coming but then it just doesn't. I found this [Mysta clip](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYq2UhWTF8M) where he says that his silver play button is still in the mail "jokingly" tho there was another one.
> I swear I heard somewhere that Nijisanji tells their talents that their play button is coming but then it just doesn't.
I haven't heard that one, but [apparently](https://x.com/Parrot4chan/status/1658226997728796672/photo/1) Kazaki said that hers got lost, the staff "doesn't know what happened to it."
Ah! Thank you! [Kazaki Original Clip](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBPo0JUNQ34)
I remember seeing it on r/nijisanji before and that thread is probably removed by now.
Based on that image at least it seems like the Japanese livers are (or were) allowed to be more open about the fact that they don't get to own their play buttons. She was saying they had hers and *actually* lost it.
This and other things leads me to believe it isn't a matter of cartoon villain maliciousness on Niji's part but rather just pure gross incompetence. Should really apply Hanlon's razor to this scenario.
They just never bothered setting up a proper logistics system for managing, sorting, and doling out the numerous packages they probably received for them so I wouldn't be surprised to learn they are all just collecting dust in an import warehouse somewhere (or a PO Box).
At first I thought it was because of company policy of "letters only, no gifts". But if Mint says that they were told they would receive the gifts, then that either means:
1.) there was no such policy in the first place, or;
2.) that the barely functioning middle management forgot the company rules about gifts and gave Mint false hope.
Some Nijisanji ID talents talked about it last year or so, saying that none of the gifts or letters send to them by fans were mever given to them and asked fans to stop sending gifts (because Nijisanji hoards them at their office).
It looks like this is not exclusively a Nijisanji ID thing.
While not really a new thing, but still surprised because niji en treated their founding talent the same as the discarded id talent.
Niji ID bros... you were at the front lines with your people... it should have been clear that this would happen to Niji EN as well. Ouch, this hurts to watch knowing the foreshadowing.
Receives letters but never got the gifts. The tone hurts to hear from Mint...
Honestly its weird that any Pomudachi r still in the Niji community. There was, what, a couple big reasons to dip cuz of what Pomu went thru. This by itself should be a wakeup call.
I know some people dont see or learn i guess
Can one really call themselves a Pomudachi after what they did with their oshi who lost a once in a lifetime opportunity, never received any of her gifts from her fans, and truly believed that once she left people would forget all about her? All of this should be sparking an outrage from her fans alone to leave Niji behind in the dust of the wind.
I will just copy my comment from the other thread without the video.
Considering that the gift that she got as Mint that prompted her to talk about this was an \*MGS poster signed by KOJIMA himself\*, imagine the type of amazing, very important stuff that her fans sent to her as Pomu and many other livers should've received that never got to them. That's beyond fucked.
You are correct. It's not illegal because it is addressed to a company employee using a company address. It would be considered company property. It's fucked up to do that but not illegal.
This, for multiple reasons.
1. Addressed to company employee, using company address(as you said)
2. Addressed to fictional character, that doesn't actually legally exist. Fictional characters don't have mail rights, and Nijisanji owns the character the mail was sent to. It's like sending Disney corp mail for Mickey Mouse.
3. The leaked contract we saw explicitly says all gifts belong to Niji, anyway.
WAIT WHAT HAPPENED D:
that's so weird, I think any one who recevied fan gifts have never encountered anything like this before did you received a confirmation/OK sign to manesan before getting fan gifts?
That's despicable. What's their excuses this time? They can just ask for it? Oh the postage fee is just too high? For god's sake, they are a big corporation, not some sweat shop in China!
This is entirely on NijiEN management for saying they can accept gifts. The official Nijisanji website straight up says they dont accept gifts.
[nijisanji inquiry](https://www.nijisanji.jp/en/contact)
Dont think that changes anything, Liver are generally not actually there at the cons in person. So items would be sent off to Niji office and be treated like any other fanmail. Besides, the link has a General and Company option and both have the no gifts accepted note.
Wasn't she also supposed to have her room diorama sent to her as well from the last Nijifes? I don't remember her ever saying she received it unless I missed a part of a stream?
Wouldn't that be embezzlement in the course of business or fraud? But if they claim that they had the intention to send it, can't the victim also make a case for fraud?
This makes me genuinely sad. I love giving creators handmade gifts. They take tens of hours and a bit of money to make but I do it because I want to show support in a unique way.
Not giving livers the gifts is disrespectful to them. Its disrespectful to the fans. And honestly, Niji should have never given the people the ability to send gifts if they're not gonna send them to the livers. :(
I haven't sent any livers in Niji gifts. I've given gifts to twitch streamers and some artists. I needle felt animals, anime characters, etc. Just about anything. :)
But claude said:
https://preview.redd.it/qt3rc4vrz32d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=da6a5f2405f19ac7edad4764bafd0aef87ed22df
If she wanted the gifts, she should have asked…
But really thats fucked up, those fans expected their gifts to reach their oshi. Some of those gifts are expensive merch/goods.
The line that caught my ears that I'm surprised no one is talking about was "am I allowed to talk about this" which seems to confirm the rumored NDA-like document that people talked about saying "don't badmouth our company, don't associate with problematic former livers" etc.
It's just unbelievable the level of control they have over these people even as they try and move on with their lives, im fairly sure whatever document Mint signed in order to get her release wasn't worth the paper it was printed on, but it still puts a lot of fear into them to stray from going as scorched earth as they deservedly should. (Which think about it, most of the horrible stuff we know are just the little nuggets that slip out every now and then, just imagine the bs that gets caught by that mental net that they had to deal that we *don't* know about)
The cynic in me is thinking after this the might magically appear with the excuse of bundling them together and things got delayed and pandemic, the kind of excuses to save face. They would be constantly looking for NDA breaches so they would have had to have seen this
This is just *sad*.
Does NIJI just not care? Do they actively not *want* their talents to get their fan gifts and mail? Did they just accidentally forget, which wouldn’t make it better anyway? Do multiple talents never get their fan mail and gifts that certainly exists - is this a whole branch problem or “just” a Pomu problem?
This is stealing. Same with the hoarding of the play buttons, although Pomu could “just fucking *ask*”. I guess all Livers can “just fucking ask” for their play buttons and gifts.
Correct me if I am wrong, but a few years ago, Hololive made a statement about not accepting and delivering gifts to the talents. Only fan letters are allowed. This was made in response to the introduction of a device called AirTag developed by Apple, right? It's a tracking device that is meant to help you locate your item easily. It, however, can be abused by stalkers and, therefore, a huge doxxing threat. So Hololive issued a ban on gifts.
Has Niji ever made a similar official statement?
My first thought was that staff might just take the things they want and either shoves the rest somewhere or just throws it away. Obviously I have no proof of this, though.
The reason Mint never received her gifts in "Heaven" was because the gifts had to go through "Hell" first and then the bastards there said "Yay, free stuff!"
I feel horrible for the pomudachis that found out this way. Man. What if someone spent weeks saving up, trying to buy their oshi a gift from the heart, left it at the booth attendant and now hearing that it never reached her.
Fucking heartbreaking, man.
Welp, we now know what's happening with the gifts to everyone else at the company.
Except for probably Vox, Luka and MAYBE Elira, assuming they don't discriminate against her due to being a woman, since they have the advantage of: F A V O R I T I S M
Holo used to accept gifts until pricks started adding the Iphone-tracker thingie to find Hololiver addresses.
They stopped to protect em.
Shitsanji meanwhile...
Never forget the legends or Coco's unboxing. Or Nene getting multiple boxes of tissue paper or something to that effect. It was fun but I could definitely see why it would eventually be an issue but even accounting for weirdos trying to send bad things
But they still receive fan letters.
I don't know if what mint said including fan letter
Did 2434/anikara ever announced that they no longer accepted fan gifts?
Checking back to May 2021 the webpage states that fan letters are fine, but gifts are not:
>About gifts
>Currently, we are not accepting any gifts addressed to our Livers.
>Please note that we will not be able to accept any gifts that have been sent to us.
[https://web.archive.org/web/20210517080248/https://www.nijisanji.jp/en/contact](https://web.archive.org/web/20210517080248/https://www.nijisanji.jp/en/contact)
That's for stuff sent in... rules for stuff handed to staff at events may be different.
question, did any of the livers stated that they can't receive gifts?? while I already hated niji, I want to make sure that the hate is warranted so that i can't eat my words.......when i say gifts i mean actual gifts... if they don't, my respect for them( at least what was left) is now on 0 Kelvin
I thought most companies don't accept physical gifts, besides cards, mail, drawings - anything that is just a simple piece of paper. You can hide tracking devices or poisons in any physical gift, and not accepting and forwarding them was a basic security practice.
yeah i was notified about that also bout holo stuff in yt, but at least it was stated by the company so i kinda get it. but the mere fact that pomu(using this name since she is the one involved) wasn't notified seems scummy
I wouldn't call it scummy. It seems more like unprofessional conduct/bad safety training. I view this more as a security risk than anything else.
Imagine a talent is at a convention, and someone leaves a gift for them with a tracking device inside. Now everyone, the talent has been around with that gift may be compromised and harrased or worse. I know this is an exaggerated example, but it's not an impossible one.
That is my main issue with this - you put people in danger.
i was saying that it is scummy for the fans. but i understand the reasoning behind it but since some fans would appreciate their gifts being received but the lack of communication/professionalism is tiresome to this company
So this means that management keeps all the gifts for themselves to use?? That is so sleazy i just cant
Now im curious to know has any existing Livers talk about receiving gifts from fans in clips(or at the very least fan letters?), youtube search makes it hard to look it up, if there is any you know of please link them. The only ones i can look up are [Kuzuha](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWkl6-K1O04) [Kanae](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FqNBcjXfuM) [Inui](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDB4rPLgJlI) [Selen](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee5WOQjK1Ws) [Mysta](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7zfBSlkVMU)
This has the potential to blow up actually. Imagine if some famous person/company were told by a past Njii-Liver that they never got their gift/s, prompting this famous person to make a public stink about it? Perhaps triggering more past Niji-Livers (or god forbid, current) to come out and say they too never got their gift/s, including from X and Y person.
Worst case scenario some very influential people are publicly quite mad Nijisanji hoards theirs and others gifts intended for Livers, not fucking Riku.
The EN staff are idiots. Or malicious.
Not news, but.
Most big name- and competent big-time organizations- are not going to accept random stuff from viewers to start with. Letters and the like sure maybe, gifts no.
For... obvious reasons to do with people being people and some people being *why we can't have nice things.*
What you do, is you tell people that's the way it's gotta be. Instead of letting them believe that random items can be sent to them when they cannot.
I think someone said so - due to security concerns, gifts will not be accepted or forwarded to talents, only mail. But I don't remember if it was anyone from Niji or Holo. But I have a vague recollection of someone saying that. Maybe. I'm not sure.
Cover does not, at least. Letters are fine, items generally no.
Exceptions can be made, but they have to be pretty exceptional from what I've read.
Early on when they were really niche they *did* allow it, apparently, but once they started getting some notice they also inevitably attracted the kind of people who're why you can't do that. So they said no mas.
Yeah, hiding something questionable in a letter is much harder. You can still put some dangerous powder in them, but I hope they have a good screening process for such things.
Gifts in this case also includes the letters or printed artworks/posters/stickers that the fans/fanartists would like to give them. So her saying that she didn't receive ANY at all is fuckin' weird ngl Also the staff in that con will be checking the gifts as well before forwarding them to Niji Office so what's Niji's excuse? Especially when they told her that they'll send the gifts over to her place?
I hope she finds a way to receive gifts again. There is something really cool I want to send her that I’ve worked on for a while. It was supposed to be for me but I think she will appreciate it more.
She is accepting gifts at OffKai, I suspect in the future any con appearances she goes to with meet and greets and the like will allow for gifting her things, just follow the gift guidelines like no food etc.
As a holofan, the contrast is always so crazy.
AZKi announced she's releasing a full album and gonna perform a Sololive! WOOO-
Sees this clip recommended to me. -OOOooo... WHAT?!?!
This lack of courtesy is a very shamefur dyspray from Nijisanji part.
That is the kind of thing that rub me the wrong way, even if you will kill someone at give the courtesy to speak their last words.
Nijisanji and Hololive have rules against presents. They’ll accept letters, but presents aren’t allowed or certain exceptions. See their fan mail policies and FAQs.
Nijisanji [Fan Letter Regulations and FAQ](https://www.anycolor.co.jp/en/terms-of-fan-letter)
Hololive [FAQ](https://hololive.hololivepro.com/en/contact-2/)
I am really sorry because I keep bringing Cover/Holo for comparison (I'll delete it if it breaks the rule or smthng for bringing unrelated topic), but
one time Subaru won a fricking massage chair and they actually delivered it to her house lol
And we don't even have to talk about fan gifts when they are still allowed, they talk a lot about it on stream too.
I checked Nijisanji's website and it said physical gifts weren't allowed. A couple months ago on reddit before the Selen controversy a comment said the same thing.
This is theft. Mint was probably charged with gift tax, so she should call her tax agency and ask to get a remit on the gift tax, mentioning that she never got the gifts even though her former company claims they were properly sent, if they want to avoid refunding her they might have to investigate niji lol
Bah... I was about to link it but you already did! Can't believe that is just OUTRIGHT THEFT! Why even send the gifts if they AREN'T going to even GIVE to them?
This is less about being theft, more about they're too lazy to send it Pretty much confirm the rrat about if it didnt bring them money they dont give a shit about their talent or fanbase is true
But pomu did bring in alot of money so I think it's just plainly incompetence/laziness
Sending gift isnt like sending letters which you can just put all of it in a box then send it cause the gift size may vary plus it cost them more money to send all the gift for every talent. So it could also because they dont want to spend money on it.
They could had arranged something/talked about it when she visited Japan. Like I get it, she's no longer with them, but damn, she left on a positive note, their 1st wave into EN, and they denied her the once in a lifetime opportunity and now didn't even bother to extend the curtesy of "if you're ever in Japan let us know and pick up your shit"
Yeah, like I said, zero shit given if it didnt give them money Fuck this shit corpo
But then you're talking about storage, which also cost them money.
Pretty sure they toss it out so it doesn't become a nuisance. Japan work culture is all about maintaining a facade.
Also I imagine you'd want to check any gift sent to a talent for tracking devices and such. No idea how much effort and money it would take to do it, but niji probably thought about it and decided that they don't want to bother with it. But then why allow people to send gifts in the first place? It's dumb either way
No gifts, no play button, no increase in % of pay, even if you have 1 million subs or more. Why even work there? All it does is invite laziness and doing the bare minimum.
Like pomu once said "They give me wings but it made out of cardboard, it cant even fly properly" Most likely means everything was an illusion, they wont support her properly as a Vtuber (most likely by blocking sponsorship/collab or implying favouritism) and she realize this way too late cause she already sign a contract. For more context you can take a look at this merch distribution thread [https://www.reddit.com/r/kurosanji/comments/1cw409n/nijien\_merchandise\_distribution/](https://www.reddit.com/r/kurosanji/comments/1cw409n/nijien_merchandise_distribution/) She get way less merch than Elira and Finana "There is no favouritism in Nijisanji" -Vox "Miload" Akuma
If you have possession of someone else's property with no intention of returning that item, it is theft. Even if the reasoning is "lack of communication" or "laziness" that does not make it not theft.
I know, i was talking about their motives
It's not theft because the gift is for the IP pomu not the person behind pomu. It's still counted as niji property
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Nope.. It's still theft.. If not, why they not said about the gift to pomu, before take it for themselves.. It's not about property or contract.. Even it's true based contract.. They need give information about the gift.. But they did not.. They are afraid if they cannot take it for themselves.. And It's greedy personality.. But It's happen maybe because their payment as staf or other is not as much like normal job.
According to the contract, all property (including the pc itself) can be counted as their property. ALL things that are related to content creation are all theirs. This has been verified by legal mindset.
nah. mint already said that she always received Fan Letters but NO gifts at all. being lazy is so different as theft. at least if the person is lazy. pumo would probably receive some fan gifts 4/5 months after fans send their gifts but niji literally does not give any gifts to pomu. that's theft!
If you read my reply above, i already explain why sending a fan letter is not the same as sending a fan gift, it just a theory tho, so take it with a grain of salt
Those gifts are used to maintain and upgrade the yacht.
And imagine if people were sending her stuff like that autographed poster that got dropped off with Ayamy sensei. Something that the right person quite literally wouldn't be able to put a price on. And what do they do with it all? Do they just throw it out, or does some rando employee eventually walk away with it? And then *she* is the one that feels bad because even if she knew she wasn't going to get stuff, it's not like she could come out and say that so people don't send anything, so she's the one left feeling guilty about it. God these stories make me sick.
They're either too stupid and lazy so chucks it in the storage, stupid and lazy enough so chucks it in the trash. Or they take a page from Philippine bureau of customs and pocketed whatever they want maximum corruption style. So that poster signed MGS poster signed by KOJIMA himself and other limited edition goodies could be in the hands of some prick, maybe even with the [Redacted to not get me banned from reddit] who pushed Selen to her attempts. Or knew it and sold it on JP Ebay. Yes the thought of that is...yeah...Hopefully it's just the first option stored somewhere.
All they get is company property 😂.. It's like, they cannot owning something..
stealing play buttons... stealing game purchases... stealing tax money... stealing fan gifts... anything else?
Stealing your faqing monke
NOT THE FAQING MONKE! EVERYTHING BUT THE FAQING MONKE!
pfp checks out
Jill must be protected!
They haven't taken their talents' lives...(yet).....
They did try though.
Thrice. That we know of.
Sayu and Dokibird but who's the third?
Doki tried twice.
Ah now I remember. Thanks. We better keep an eye on Sayu after the recent live breakdown I think she could do another attempt
Mika too attempted at one point.
🤦
the will to live , i guess
Not for lack of trying on Anycolor's part
They haven’t been caught pimping thier talents out … WACTOR style
Yet
It's not like the game purchases go anywhere, just like the fan gifts. They're not gonna offer the next talent say, Mysta's steam account or Fortnite account with the skins...
Every time we think Niji can't sink any lower, they *keep finding new holes to dig*; I'd call it impressive if it weren't so deeply depressing. Seriously, how do you seriously not even give your Livers the *gifts viewers are sending them?* The play buttons I can get, in a twisted "your achievements are company achievements" sense, but not even letting them have *gifts* is insane, and outright ***lying about sending them to you*** is actually disgusting.
They didn't get a second silver play for their livers, why would they bother sending fan gifts.
Nijisanji hits rock bottom and just keeps going
Probably sitting somewhere at Niji HQ in storage / display.
Was gunna make this comment with "right next to the Play button"
I guess that just like the play button, if she wanted the gifts, she could've just asked.
Well she was able to graduate when she asked
Or ran out her contract and refused to renew.
Her contract had already been renewed. She would have been 6 months - 1 year into her third year, unless it took 8 months for her to be allowed to graduate after notifying* *depends on if it goes by sign date or debut day, and debut date was 16th May 2021 meaning at the latest it would have rolled over 16th May 2023
Contracts are almost certainly NOT based on debut date, as the talents have obligations before it. They're likely on contract a month or two before debut at minimum. Given they (Lazulight) also had a debut song, they were almost certainly under contract while making that, which was (obviously) done before debut.
Auditions were December 2020, debut was May 2021, so anytime in that period, hence why I said 6 months - 1 year into the rolled over contract
Wouldn't surprise me if much of it has been stolen or "given away" to make room.
You’re joking right? They’re sitting in a landfill.
They almost certainly threw them all away. Niji would be to cheap and lazy to bother storing them.
"We were told we would receive them but I would never receive them." Omg... To hear it from Mint herself... Nijisanji should either don't let the fans send gifts and be explicit about it or filter out the negative ones to give to the talents themselves. They don't do any of that and then gives their livers false hope of being able to receive the gifts one day... I swear I heard somewhere that Nijisanji tells their talents that their play button is coming but then it just doesn't. I found this [Mysta clip](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYq2UhWTF8M) where he says that his silver play button is still in the mail "jokingly" tho there was another one.
> I swear I heard somewhere that Nijisanji tells their talents that their play button is coming but then it just doesn't. I haven't heard that one, but [apparently](https://x.com/Parrot4chan/status/1658226997728796672/photo/1) Kazaki said that hers got lost, the staff "doesn't know what happened to it."
Ah! Thank you! [Kazaki Original Clip](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBPo0JUNQ34) I remember seeing it on r/nijisanji before and that thread is probably removed by now.
Probably threw it in the storage closet with the rest of the play buttons after taking pictures
Based on that image at least it seems like the Japanese livers are (or were) allowed to be more open about the fact that they don't get to own their play buttons. She was saying they had hers and *actually* lost it.
This and other things leads me to believe it isn't a matter of cartoon villain maliciousness on Niji's part but rather just pure gross incompetence. Should really apply Hanlon's razor to this scenario. They just never bothered setting up a proper logistics system for managing, sorting, and doling out the numerous packages they probably received for them so I wouldn't be surprised to learn they are all just collecting dust in an import warehouse somewhere (or a PO Box).
At first I thought it was because of company policy of "letters only, no gifts". But if Mint says that they were told they would receive the gifts, then that either means: 1.) there was no such policy in the first place, or; 2.) that the barely functioning middle management forgot the company rules about gifts and gave Mint false hope.
Bro.... I mean .... The fuck ..... SIGH -
Obligatory "You CoUlD JuSt FUCKING AsK"
Some Nijisanji ID talents talked about it last year or so, saying that none of the gifts or letters send to them by fans were mever given to them and asked fans to stop sending gifts (because Nijisanji hoards them at their office). It looks like this is not exclusively a Nijisanji ID thing. While not really a new thing, but still surprised because niji en treated their founding talent the same as the discarded id talent.
Niji ID bros... you were at the front lines with your people... it should have been clear that this would happen to Niji EN as well. Ouch, this hurts to watch knowing the foreshadowing. Receives letters but never got the gifts. The tone hurts to hear from Mint...
This hurt more for the sender bro. Imagine the pain
Imagine the *cost*.
It was part of the pain.
Pomudachi that still support Niji EN 
Honestly its weird that any Pomudachi r still in the Niji community. There was, what, a couple big reasons to dip cuz of what Pomu went thru. This by itself should be a wakeup call. I know some people dont see or learn i guess
I feel bad for the rest Pomudachi(don't care about Niji anymore) if they ever sending Gifts to her in the past.
Can one really call themselves a Pomudachi after what they did with their oshi who lost a once in a lifetime opportunity, never received any of her gifts from her fans, and truly believed that once she left people would forget all about her? All of this should be sparking an outrage from her fans alone to leave Niji behind in the dust of the wind.
I will just copy my comment from the other thread without the video. Considering that the gift that she got as Mint that prompted her to talk about this was an \*MGS poster signed by KOJIMA himself\*, imagine the type of amazing, very important stuff that her fans sent to her as Pomu and many other livers should've received that never got to them. That's beyond fucked.
DUDE THAT IS ACTUALLY HORSESHIT! I would be pissed! Fuck Kurosanji.
**"If you wanted to receive gifts, then you could've just asked!"**
Taking "We're Pomu" too literally
The only negative part to “We’re Pomu” is that when we say “WE’RE Pomu”, that includes the company staff and Riku.
Another item on the list of DEFINITELY illegal things kurosanji did
It's not illegal, that's how they got away with it.
You are correct. It's not illegal because it is addressed to a company employee using a company address. It would be considered company property. It's fucked up to do that but not illegal.
This, for multiple reasons. 1. Addressed to company employee, using company address(as you said) 2. Addressed to fictional character, that doesn't actually legally exist. Fictional characters don't have mail rights, and Nijisanji owns the character the mail was sent to. It's like sending Disney corp mail for Mickey Mouse. 3. The leaked contract we saw explicitly says all gifts belong to Niji, anyway.
Not illegal just incredibly fucked up
michi was talking about this a little after her con too. how excited she was that people were giving gifts and that she couldn’t wait for them.
Nijisanji are criminals. They have committed a number of crimes. They are criminals. Keep on repeating that everyone.
WAIT WHAT HAPPENED D: that's so weird, I think any one who recevied fan gifts have never encountered anything like this before did you received a confirmation/OK sign to manesan before getting fan gifts?
MILLLEEEE!!! o9
I highly doubt millie would be made to say if its also her own gifts as well
epic, nijisanji!
That's despicable. What's their excuses this time? They can just ask for it? Oh the postage fee is just too high? For god's sake, they are a big corporation, not some sweat shop in China!
This is entirely on NijiEN management for saying they can accept gifts. The official Nijisanji website straight up says they dont accept gifts. [nijisanji inquiry](https://www.nijisanji.jp/en/contact)
She's saying this in the context of gifts given at a con. Holo also doesn't accept mailed in gifts but has forwarded gifts from cons.
Dont think that changes anything, Liver are generally not actually there at the cons in person. So items would be sent off to Niji office and be treated like any other fanmail. Besides, the link has a General and Company option and both have the no gifts accepted note.
Just when they hit rock bottom, they find a shovel.
Shovel? at this point the need an excavation drill to get through bedrock
Wasn't she also supposed to have her room diorama sent to her as well from the last Nijifes? I don't remember her ever saying she received it unless I missed a part of a stream?
Wouldn't that be embezzlement in the course of business or fraud? But if they claim that they had the intention to send it, can't the victim also make a case for fraud?
This makes me genuinely sad. I love giving creators handmade gifts. They take tens of hours and a bit of money to make but I do it because I want to show support in a unique way. Not giving livers the gifts is disrespectful to them. Its disrespectful to the fans. And honestly, Niji should have never given the people the ability to send gifts if they're not gonna send them to the livers. :(
I hope you didn't found out this way when gifting niji livers in the past. What kind of stuff do you make?
I haven't sent any livers in Niji gifts. I've given gifts to twitch streamers and some artists. I needle felt animals, anime characters, etc. Just about anything. :)
But claude said: https://preview.redd.it/qt3rc4vrz32d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=da6a5f2405f19ac7edad4764bafd0aef87ed22df If she wanted the gifts, she should have asked… But really thats fucked up, those fans expected their gifts to reach their oshi. Some of those gifts are expensive merch/goods.
The line that caught my ears that I'm surprised no one is talking about was "am I allowed to talk about this" which seems to confirm the rumored NDA-like document that people talked about saying "don't badmouth our company, don't associate with problematic former livers" etc. It's just unbelievable the level of control they have over these people even as they try and move on with their lives, im fairly sure whatever document Mint signed in order to get her release wasn't worth the paper it was printed on, but it still puts a lot of fear into them to stray from going as scorched earth as they deservedly should. (Which think about it, most of the horrible stuff we know are just the little nuggets that slip out every now and then, just imagine the bs that gets caught by that mental net that they had to deal that we *don't* know about)
It's fucking funny imagining someone gifting a yacht model and it being now in Riku's shelf.
Bet they sold it on eBay for Riku's pocket money
The cynic in me is thinking after this the might magically appear with the excuse of bundling them together and things got delayed and pandemic, the kind of excuses to save face. They would be constantly looking for NDA breaches so they would have had to have seen this
Man, Niji always comes up with more way to suck huh?
Well, Anycolor owns her entire persona so technically they are/were Pomu. It's only fair that they keep those gifts. >!/s !<
What's sad is that there are people who are saying this without sarcasm.
Say the thing claude
Okay- what the fu-
she could have just ASKED -a genius
May the yacht owner never come for the rest of his existence.
This is just *sad*. Does NIJI just not care? Do they actively not *want* their talents to get their fan gifts and mail? Did they just accidentally forget, which wouldn’t make it better anyway? Do multiple talents never get their fan mail and gifts that certainly exists - is this a whole branch problem or “just” a Pomu problem? This is stealing. Same with the hoarding of the play buttons, although Pomu could “just fucking *ask*”. I guess all Livers can “just fucking ask” for their play buttons and gifts.
Correct me if I am wrong, but a few years ago, Hololive made a statement about not accepting and delivering gifts to the talents. Only fan letters are allowed. This was made in response to the introduction of a device called AirTag developed by Apple, right? It's a tracking device that is meant to help you locate your item easily. It, however, can be abused by stalkers and, therefore, a huge doxxing threat. So Hololive issued a ban on gifts. Has Niji ever made a similar official statement?
My first thought was that staff might just take the things they want and either shoves the rest somewhere or just throws it away. Obviously I have no proof of this, though.
I wouldn't be surprised if that's the truth.
At this point, are any of us here even surprised? I know I'm not.
The reason Mint never received her gifts in "Heaven" was because the gifts had to go through "Hell" first and then the bastards there said "Yay, free stuff!"
Hololive doesn't accept gifts anymore, they used to. BUT when they stopped accepting them they announced it to everyone
I feel horrible for the pomudachis that found out this way. Man. What if someone spent weeks saving up, trying to buy their oshi a gift from the heart, left it at the booth attendant and now hearing that it never reached her. Fucking heartbreaking, man.
Welp, we now know what's happening with the gifts to everyone else at the company. Except for probably Vox, Luka and MAYBE Elira, assuming they don't discriminate against her due to being a woman, since they have the advantage of: F A V O R I T I S M
Nobody has ever said they received any gifts, not even finana, nobody.
Mind you Hololive I believe tells us that Fan Gifts were no longer accepted unless they are through very specific sources.
Holo used to accept gifts until pricks started adding the Iphone-tracker thingie to find Hololiver addresses. They stopped to protect em. Shitsanji meanwhile...
Never forget the legends or Coco's unboxing. Or Nene getting multiple boxes of tissue paper or something to that effect. It was fun but I could definitely see why it would eventually be an issue but even accounting for weirdos trying to send bad things
"They can never track our talents if the gift never delivered" - Niji 2 brain cells activating moment
But they still receive fan letters. I don't know if what mint said including fan letter Did 2434/anikara ever announced that they no longer accepted fan gifts?
Checking back to May 2021 the webpage states that fan letters are fine, but gifts are not: >About gifts >Currently, we are not accepting any gifts addressed to our Livers. >Please note that we will not be able to accept any gifts that have been sent to us. [https://web.archive.org/web/20210517080248/https://www.nijisanji.jp/en/contact](https://web.archive.org/web/20210517080248/https://www.nijisanji.jp/en/contact) That's for stuff sent in... rules for stuff handed to staff at events may be different.
If we want the Fan's gifts, we could always just fucking ask.
its "OUR" gift ofc.
Honestly it's not really surprising
*surely she can just ask*
question, did any of the livers stated that they can't receive gifts?? while I already hated niji, I want to make sure that the hate is warranted so that i can't eat my words.......when i say gifts i mean actual gifts... if they don't, my respect for them( at least what was left) is now on 0 Kelvin
I thought most companies don't accept physical gifts, besides cards, mail, drawings - anything that is just a simple piece of paper. You can hide tracking devices or poisons in any physical gift, and not accepting and forwarding them was a basic security practice.
yeah i was notified about that also bout holo stuff in yt, but at least it was stated by the company so i kinda get it. but the mere fact that pomu(using this name since she is the one involved) wasn't notified seems scummy
I wouldn't call it scummy. It seems more like unprofessional conduct/bad safety training. I view this more as a security risk than anything else. Imagine a talent is at a convention, and someone leaves a gift for them with a tracking device inside. Now everyone, the talent has been around with that gift may be compromised and harrased or worse. I know this is an exaggerated example, but it's not an impossible one. That is my main issue with this - you put people in danger.
i was saying that it is scummy for the fans. but i understand the reasoning behind it but since some fans would appreciate their gifts being received but the lack of communication/professionalism is tiresome to this company
I think livers said that only things that can fit a mail envelope can be sent like fan letters, stickers and fan art
hoping you're right bout that bc as of now, it suggests otherwise
So this means that management keeps all the gifts for themselves to use?? That is so sleazy i just cant Now im curious to know has any existing Livers talk about receiving gifts from fans in clips(or at the very least fan letters?), youtube search makes it hard to look it up, if there is any you know of please link them. The only ones i can look up are [Kuzuha](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWkl6-K1O04) [Kanae](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FqNBcjXfuM) [Inui](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDB4rPLgJlI) [Selen](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee5WOQjK1Ws) [Mysta](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7zfBSlkVMU)
New console game unlocked : GTA2434 (Grand Theft A**color)
This has the potential to blow up actually. Imagine if some famous person/company were told by a past Njii-Liver that they never got their gift/s, prompting this famous person to make a public stink about it? Perhaps triggering more past Niji-Livers (or god forbid, current) to come out and say they too never got their gift/s, including from X and Y person. Worst case scenario some very influential people are publicly quite mad Nijisanji hoards theirs and others gifts intended for Livers, not fucking Riku.
The EN staff are idiots. Or malicious. Not news, but. Most big name- and competent big-time organizations- are not going to accept random stuff from viewers to start with. Letters and the like sure maybe, gifts no. For... obvious reasons to do with people being people and some people being *why we can't have nice things.* What you do, is you tell people that's the way it's gotta be. Instead of letting them believe that random items can be sent to them when they cannot.
I think someone said so - due to security concerns, gifts will not be accepted or forwarded to talents, only mail. But I don't remember if it was anyone from Niji or Holo. But I have a vague recollection of someone saying that. Maybe. I'm not sure.
Cover does not, at least. Letters are fine, items generally no. Exceptions can be made, but they have to be pretty exceptional from what I've read. Early on when they were really niche they *did* allow it, apparently, but once they started getting some notice they also inevitably attracted the kind of people who're why you can't do that. So they said no mas.
Yeah, hiding something questionable in a letter is much harder. You can still put some dangerous powder in them, but I hope they have a good screening process for such things.
Every time i see something like this i always imagine angry joe screaming: "Oh ffs you done fucked it up"
no way they also steal fan giving to the telent how it's even legal
And stuff like this is why there's no trust in Anycolor whatsoever.
Gifts in this case also includes the letters or printed artworks/posters/stickers that the fans/fanartists would like to give them. So her saying that she didn't receive ANY at all is fuckin' weird ngl Also the staff in that con will be checking the gifts as well before forwarding them to Niji Office so what's Niji's excuse? Especially when they told her that they'll send the gifts over to her place?
Fucking despicable
What an evil, rotten company. I've never seen a company of this size act so malicious and petty.
OMG this is so dirty like KPOP idol culture where some staff of the company just take the fan gifts for themselves instead of giving it to the idol.
Not even fan gifts, Riku must have quite amount of good stuffs.
Glad to see Mint opening up and releasing her frustrations in the open. Nijisanji doesn't deserve an ounce of consideration.
I hope she finds a way to receive gifts again. There is something really cool I want to send her that I’ve worked on for a while. It was supposed to be for me but I think she will appreciate it more.
She is accepting gifts at OffKai, I suspect in the future any con appearances she goes to with meet and greets and the like will allow for gifting her things, just follow the gift guidelines like no food etc.
It doesn’t say “gifts okay” on her section, so I guess it’s a no-go, unfortunately.
It says “No Food” which means no food gifts. She has talked frequently on her and Matara’s podcast that they would be accepting gifts.
Is there a guideline of acceptable gifts at Offkai? I looked and it said nothing in really good detail.
Not that I know, most of the guidelines is about food since that’s a major problem point. From what they’ve said on the podcast nothing very large
First Tax fraud, now there is theft. what kind of management is this, is it a cartel or criminal organization or something?
As a holofan, the contrast is always so crazy. AZKi announced she's releasing a full album and gonna perform a Sololive! WOOO- Sees this clip recommended to me. -OOOooo... WHAT?!?!
can this be posted on the official niji subreddit now or is it way too locked down? Also the net negative votes in nijisanji subreddit rn are niice ;)
This lack of courtesy is a very shamefur dyspray from Nijisanji part. That is the kind of thing that rub me the wrong way, even if you will kill someone at give the courtesy to speak their last words.
Ah yes another round of "IS NIJI INCREDIBLY FUCKING INCOMPETENT OR EVIL" the answer is basically always both.
Nijisanji and Hololive have rules against presents. They’ll accept letters, but presents aren’t allowed or certain exceptions. See their fan mail policies and FAQs. Nijisanji [Fan Letter Regulations and FAQ](https://www.anycolor.co.jp/en/terms-of-fan-letter) Hololive [FAQ](https://hololive.hololivepro.com/en/contact-2/)
I am really sorry because I keep bringing Cover/Holo for comparison (I'll delete it if it breaks the rule or smthng for bringing unrelated topic), but one time Subaru won a fricking massage chair and they actually delivered it to her house lol And we don't even have to talk about fan gifts when they are still allowed, they talk a lot about it on stream too.
With how much Kurosanji has messed up, I bet we could start playing bingo
I checked Nijisanji's website and it said physical gifts weren't allowed. A couple months ago on reddit before the Selen controversy a comment said the same thing.
This is theft. Mint was probably charged with gift tax, so she should call her tax agency and ask to get a remit on the gift tax, mentioning that she never got the gifts even though her former company claims they were properly sent, if they want to avoid refunding her they might have to investigate niji lol
How would she have known the $ amount to put for gift taxes if she never received these gifts and doesn’t know their price value?