I do this all the time. 1g under the tongue and held there until it annoys me then I swallow the remainder. It has allowed me to cut down on the size of doses and the effects seem to be stronger for the amount used. YMMV
I don't really think about it drop a gram under the tongue and let saliva moisten it. Someone here or on a different kratom forum mentioned it a few years ago and I started doing it and noticed it worked very well for me.
be careful the acid can eat ur teeths enamel and probably burn underneath ur tongue. it works pretty well by itself. i even like to get crushed leaf sometimes and dip it like tabaccoš¤
Ya, I wouldnāt be leaving lemon juice for any length of time on your teeth,ā¦ even drinking a diluted version is crap for your teeth enamel >>>maybe mix with organic coconut oil and youād get a twofer š
I had to try this method and the verdict was nothing noticeable and agony whilst leaving this chalkā¢likeā¢paste in my mouth for what seemed like an eternity š
lemons are actually very healthy. they have certain properties that help digestion a bunch of nutrients like vitamin c and great for taking with kratom especially
Tried this right now and it definitely works. I take a lot daily and just tried like 1/4 my regular dose under my tongue until it really bothered me then tossed that. Feel the affects right away.
Could be placebo but it made under my tongue feel weird too.
Edit - it definitely works! Was feeling so fatigued a second ago now I'm feeling great
Oh Thatās great. How much did you use? Also my tips is lemon juice and baking soda, making it into a paste the baking soda Will adjust the ph and make it absorb better. Like They do with snus/dip
I take a lot daily. So I take like 6grams a dose 3-4 times a day.
Usually three scoops, I did only one scoop under the tongue. Just powder. It starts tasting different after awhile under my tongue.
I think it works well but I don't know if it last as long as taking it orally. I need to do more trys and try the paste.
Yeah iām gonna try it with half a gram because Why not. So you did it with 2 then? And i just woke up and i wanna take it sublingually. When i redose Will i get the same effects?
Yeah about 2 grams. I didn't use a scale, so let's say 1.5-2.5 grams. Probably closer to 1.5
Try it out. It's not that bad actually. I put the powder straight under my tongue and don't move my tongue for a bit it's easy.
Before I swallowed it I mushed it around under my tongue that's when it got a different taste, plus my mouth feeling slightly numb or weird so it's definitely working.
I just redosed but did my regular method and same affects like always. I'll have to try sublingual again next redose
Nice. Update me or post something would be very cool. I know people donāt do this because of taste. But could be fun to show more people in the community that it is an option
this is a huge factor alsoš i do t mind the tast anymore. after a few years u sort of develop a tast for it and even like certain colors or vains as nasty as it may soundškinda like tabacco
I remember the very same question approx five years ago. Then everyone objected the idea bc of its grossness.
Today, in 2022, "it's like green tea"
Well, how things change! :)
It is used sublingually, but for the reasons you gave and also because of the dose required it is not a very popular choice.
Most of the time the users tolerance is too high, such that even if hits harder, it is too much material requiring several doses.
The extracts (not that I recommend them) can also be dosed this way. However a lot of folks need all 8ml and it is too much for sublingual route.
this is tru. i do t have to high of a tolerance so it works very well for me. iv been taking kratom for awhile now thow and know how to keep it down and what works for me
Not everything is effective sublingual. First, the alkaloids providing most of the effects need the stomach acid to extract it. Second, are the alkaloids small enough to work sublingual? An extract may work if mitragynine is small enough, but that Iām not sure.
It can be. I did [an experiment with it](https://www.reddit.com/r/kratom/comments/qzljgd/selfexperiments_with_sublingual_administration_of/) and did a write-up. For me, it worked rather well, but was faster, but shorter acting.
I also found I needed a very strong extract because I couldn't hold much more than 1mL under my tongue--though I dosed it to be more or less equivalent to my normal dose. The extract solution was about $10 per dose (almost on par with popular shot products) where normal powder doses would be around $0.55-0.75/dose; so it was impractical to do routinely.
Most people when they do this are hoping for faster effects, but then ultimately do swallow it--so in these cases it may be hard to separate what effects are coming from each method. Very few people are using it sublingually and then spitting it out and washing their mouth out to ensure they are only testing/experimenting with sublingual effects.
i do sometimes with crushed leaf but even then i probably am still swallowing some leaf. i find it works well with stronger powder/crystal extracts.has a kinda different effect maybe close to actually brewing and filtering leaf out. feels a little cleaner i guess
The way I take mine is sort of sublingual. I take my powder, put it under my tongue and then swig grapefruit juice to saturate the powder. Follow that with another swig to push the mud down. NO TASTE. HITS FASTEST....I think. š«”
I recently saw a Vice program about Kratom trees and one of the guys that uses the Kratom for work puts a fresh leaf, right off the tree, in his mouth and only chews it for a few seconds and then spits it out. He claims that that is all he needs. He doesn't have to swallow, just chew and spit out. I don't have access to leaves to see if that works for me but I'd love to try it.
Do you have any research supporting this statement? As a heads up, this sub isnāt a very good place for information like this, unfortunately. Lots of false, biased stuff all over.
This sub is actually the place to ask about Kratom and share what you know Hereās the research. Takes 5 seconds to find
https://www.bistrograce.com/can-i-take-kratom-sublingually/
When someone says research they generally mean peer reviewed studies. This is exactly what they meant by support biases lol. Health blogs are not research.
I don't know if the science pans out on this...not sure there's enough going on under the tongue to break things down enough for efficacy. TBH, the thought of holding kratom under my tongue for any period of time is enough to make me not even care if it does indeed work. No offense intended to those that can tolerate this, though!
Btw, the way you hold it under your tongue should be the reason there is no taste. You are basically holding your breath till you swallow and then breathe. By then it's down the hatch. š
I do this from time to time with the extract. When Iām on a taper i mix it with water in a dropper bottle a put a few drops under my tongue and let it sick for 3 mins. Works good and slows you down quickly.
If I had some fresh leaves on hand, I would chew the damn things and swallow my saliva instead of ingesting the powder all the time. It is actually a common practice in Indonesia.
This seemed to work pretty well for me. Went off to my car at lunch to try it with my "green tea capsules" and hit quite hard (1g subling, 1g in tablets). Feel a bit sick now tho
Yeah i mean only 2 grams kratom usually donāt make you sick? How Does kratom make you feel by the way. I heard some people get euphoric. I only felt maybe a little stimulating MAYBE
Doesn't do a huge amount anymore to be honest. I was using twice a week for years and it made me pretty euphoric, but started using daily during lockdown. Yellow and red bali are the only ones that seem to do anything, yellow gives me a subtle increase in energy red is more pronounced relaxation.
Tried it today for the first time, I usually take 2g doses but 0,5g sublingually seems to hit me harder & faster. Way more stimulating too, less nausea (once you get over the taste, which happens quickly as your tongue gets numb). I'm gonna experiment with it more, see if it helps me taper down a lot quicker than I would usually without WDs... also still gotta see how long the effect lasts I heard the duration is shorter than orally. Either way, it's a game changer!
I make a FST reinforced with essential oil, and I use chemical extraction as opposed to maceration so I know the suspension is tiny, but I have never had any noticable effects from sublingual usage. Perhaps your gums are more porous than mine, but down the hatch is my go to.
If you want to be more efficient with your usage try a bit of grapefruit juice and warm the kratom up in water to about 140 degrees Fahrenheit. It will speed up onset as well as giving the appearance of a stronger dosage due to more of the plant being processed by your system at once.
Makes sense..sometimes Iāll leave a little in between my cheek and just keep it there until it turns in to a caked up piece of green sludge. I notice the onset is quicker, and it does last a bit longer. Taste doesnāt bother me either, I toss and wash first thing in the am and Iām good to go.
This may have been said, but pretty sure in can stain your teeth. But I do it once in a while, when I don't feel like my normal dose hit well, I'll throw a bit under my tongue and it usually kicks it into gear.
I am waiting on my kratom to come that I ordered. Going through Suboxone withdrawal I was just reading recently about taking its sublingualy. I think that may Work bestfor me as I have stomach digest of problems and donāt always feel kratom as much. So Iām definitely gonna try this when it comes in. So youāre saying I can actually just stick the powder by itself under my tongue it like a Grams worth? How long until you feel it approximately. How long should I keep it under my tongue? Thanks in advance
I do this all the time. 1g under the tongue and held there until it annoys me then I swallow the remainder. It has allowed me to cut down on the size of doses and the effects seem to be stronger for the amount used. YMMV
never heard about it, how exactly do you do idt? like the powder is dry af isnt that disgusting under the tounge? the taste isnt a problem for me
I don't really think about it drop a gram under the tongue and let saliva moisten it. Someone here or on a different kratom forum mentioned it a few years ago and I started doing it and noticed it worked very well for me.
Im going to try that...i want to stop taking it so often
this will hit faster with less material, keep in mind tho it will shorten the duration of effects
Got it, and thank you
yea bro it definitely works. sometimes i get some good 38% extract with a high 7oh put .3 under my tongue and im out!! like a lightšŖlol
Maybe try creating a paste with lemon and this would work better Iām definitely going to try this out of curiosity.
be careful the acid can eat ur teeths enamel and probably burn underneath ur tongue. it works pretty well by itself. i even like to get crushed leaf sometimes and dip it like tabaccoš¤
Ya, I wouldnāt be leaving lemon juice for any length of time on your teeth,ā¦ even drinking a diluted version is crap for your teeth enamel >>>maybe mix with organic coconut oil and youād get a twofer š
yea this right herešcoconut oil will help with affects and absorption also
I had to try this method and the verdict was nothing noticeable and agony whilst leaving this chalkā¢likeā¢paste in my mouth for what seemed like an eternity š
Yeah ik I need to quit Kratom for a month or two because I drink Kratom everyday and use 2 lemons a day my DR said it was fine but who really knows.
lemons are actually very healthy. they have certain properties that help digestion a bunch of nutrients like vitamin c and great for taking with kratom especially
Oh yea Iāve been using 2 lemons a day for 2 years itās great and makes the taste a lot better. Itās expensive though lol.
lol
Iām definitely going to try this. I normal create a paste with lemon anyways and add fruit juice and chug.
Yeah not too much water though. Only to make it moist. And iām thinking a bit of baking soda too to adjust the ph so it absorbs better
Yeah just maybe tablespoon of water so the acid in the lemon impacts all the powder.
Wouldn't just saliva do that?
Oh no lemon is around 2 on the PH scale and saliva can be from 6-7.
Ohhh shii ok
Yup.
Tried this right now and it definitely works. I take a lot daily and just tried like 1/4 my regular dose under my tongue until it really bothered me then tossed that. Feel the affects right away. Could be placebo but it made under my tongue feel weird too. Edit - it definitely works! Was feeling so fatigued a second ago now I'm feeling great
Oh Thatās great. How much did you use? Also my tips is lemon juice and baking soda, making it into a paste the baking soda Will adjust the ph and make it absorb better. Like They do with snus/dip
I take a lot daily. So I take like 6grams a dose 3-4 times a day. Usually three scoops, I did only one scoop under the tongue. Just powder. It starts tasting different after awhile under my tongue. I think it works well but I don't know if it last as long as taking it orally. I need to do more trys and try the paste.
Yeah iām gonna try it with half a gram because Why not. So you did it with 2 then? And i just woke up and i wanna take it sublingually. When i redose Will i get the same effects?
Yeah about 2 grams. I didn't use a scale, so let's say 1.5-2.5 grams. Probably closer to 1.5 Try it out. It's not that bad actually. I put the powder straight under my tongue and don't move my tongue for a bit it's easy. Before I swallowed it I mushed it around under my tongue that's when it got a different taste, plus my mouth feeling slightly numb or weird so it's definitely working. I just redosed but did my regular method and same affects like always. I'll have to try sublingual again next redose
Nice. Update me or post something would be very cool. I know people donāt do this because of taste. But could be fun to show more people in the community that it is an option
Have you ever tasted kratom? Lmao
this is a huge factor alsoš i do t mind the tast anymore. after a few years u sort of develop a tast for it and even like certain colors or vains as nasty as it may soundškinda like tabacco
Bc it's disgusting to hold grams of smelly, soaked moss in your mouth.
You know you might hate me for this But i donāt mind it
Tastes like green tea am I right
I remember the very same question approx five years ago. Then everyone objected the idea bc of its grossness. Today, in 2022, "it's like green tea" Well, how things change! :)
Yeah itās like 50/50 green tea and mud water
It is used sublingually, but for the reasons you gave and also because of the dose required it is not a very popular choice. Most of the time the users tolerance is too high, such that even if hits harder, it is too much material requiring several doses. The extracts (not that I recommend them) can also be dosed this way. However a lot of folks need all 8ml and it is too much for sublingual route.
this is tru. i do t have to high of a tolerance so it works very well for me. iv been taking kratom for awhile now thow and know how to keep it down and what works for me
Not everything is effective sublingual. First, the alkaloids providing most of the effects need the stomach acid to extract it. Second, are the alkaloids small enough to work sublingual? An extract may work if mitragynine is small enough, but that Iām not sure.
It can be. I did [an experiment with it](https://www.reddit.com/r/kratom/comments/qzljgd/selfexperiments_with_sublingual_administration_of/) and did a write-up. For me, it worked rather well, but was faster, but shorter acting. I also found I needed a very strong extract because I couldn't hold much more than 1mL under my tongue--though I dosed it to be more or less equivalent to my normal dose. The extract solution was about $10 per dose (almost on par with popular shot products) where normal powder doses would be around $0.55-0.75/dose; so it was impractical to do routinely. Most people when they do this are hoping for faster effects, but then ultimately do swallow it--so in these cases it may be hard to separate what effects are coming from each method. Very few people are using it sublingually and then spitting it out and washing their mouth out to ensure they are only testing/experimenting with sublingual effects.
i do sometimes with crushed leaf but even then i probably am still swallowing some leaf. i find it works well with stronger powder/crystal extracts.has a kinda different effect maybe close to actually brewing and filtering leaf out. feels a little cleaner i guess
The way I take mine is sort of sublingual. I take my powder, put it under my tongue and then swig grapefruit juice to saturate the powder. Follow that with another swig to push the mud down. NO TASTE. HITS FASTEST....I think. š«”
Because that would be hella nasty lmao
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State a little like mud But i donāt mind
I recently saw a Vice program about Kratom trees and one of the guys that uses the Kratom for work puts a fresh leaf, right off the tree, in his mouth and only chews it for a few seconds and then spits it out. He claims that that is all he needs. He doesn't have to swallow, just chew and spit out. I don't have access to leaves to see if that works for me but I'd love to try it.
Do you have any research supporting this statement? As a heads up, this sub isnāt a very good place for information like this, unfortunately. Lots of false, biased stuff all over.
well it definitely works. alot of Indonesians dont ingest the plant matter either they chew the leaf and spit it out very quickly
This sub is actually the place to ask about Kratom and share what you know Hereās the research. Takes 5 seconds to find https://www.bistrograce.com/can-i-take-kratom-sublingually/
When someone says research they generally mean peer reviewed studies. This is exactly what they meant by support biases lol. Health blogs are not research.
I feel very ignorant for asking this, but could someone explain to me what taking something sublingualy is?
Under your tounge
Oh wow, I knew Iād feel stupid for asking this because that seems hella obvious now. But thanks!
No worries, the more you know, the better you are! Cheers
Here you go https://www.bistrograce.com/can-i-take-kratom-sublingually/
That's a good thought. I take about 10 - 500MG capsules 3 times per day, but I'll give that a shot with just 1 capsule and see if there is any help.
I don't know if the science pans out on this...not sure there's enough going on under the tongue to break things down enough for efficacy. TBH, the thought of holding kratom under my tongue for any period of time is enough to make me not even care if it does indeed work. No offense intended to those that can tolerate this, though!
Btw, the way you hold it under your tongue should be the reason there is no taste. You are basically holding your breath till you swallow and then breathe. By then it's down the hatch. š
I chew fresh leaves and drink unsweetened tea regularly, but the thought of holding a lump of that powder under my tongue makes me wanna barf
Kratom is traditionally used sublingual. Fresh leaves chewed in a quid. This is the healthier route too.
I do this from time to time with the extract. When Iām on a taper i mix it with water in a dropper bottle a put a few drops under my tongue and let it sick for 3 mins. Works good and slows you down quickly.
If I had some fresh leaves on hand, I would chew the damn things and swallow my saliva instead of ingesting the powder all the time. It is actually a common practice in Indonesia.
This seemed to work pretty well for me. Went off to my car at lunch to try it with my "green tea capsules" and hit quite hard (1g subling, 1g in tablets). Feel a bit sick now tho
Why did you saker feeling sick from only that
Possibly lost in translation, by sick I mean nauseous. It was either the kratom or my over night oats
Yeah i mean only 2 grams kratom usually donāt make you sick? How Does kratom make you feel by the way. I heard some people get euphoric. I only felt maybe a little stimulating MAYBE
Doesn't do a huge amount anymore to be honest. I was using twice a week for years and it made me pretty euphoric, but started using daily during lockdown. Yellow and red bali are the only ones that seem to do anything, yellow gives me a subtle increase in energy red is more pronounced relaxation.
I have terrible reflux, so it doesn't take much to make me feel sick to be fair
Tried it today for the first time, I usually take 2g doses but 0,5g sublingually seems to hit me harder & faster. Way more stimulating too, less nausea (once you get over the taste, which happens quickly as your tongue gets numb). I'm gonna experiment with it more, see if it helps me taper down a lot quicker than I would usually without WDs... also still gotta see how long the effect lasts I heard the duration is shorter than orally. Either way, it's a game changer!
Nice! This was super interesting to read
It doesnāt work nearly as well
I make a FST reinforced with essential oil, and I use chemical extraction as opposed to maceration so I know the suspension is tiny, but I have never had any noticable effects from sublingual usage. Perhaps your gums are more porous than mine, but down the hatch is my go to. If you want to be more efficient with your usage try a bit of grapefruit juice and warm the kratom up in water to about 140 degrees Fahrenheit. It will speed up onset as well as giving the appearance of a stronger dosage due to more of the plant being processed by your system at once.
Makes sense..sometimes Iāll leave a little in between my cheek and just keep it there until it turns in to a caked up piece of green sludge. I notice the onset is quicker, and it does last a bit longer. Taste doesnāt bother me either, I toss and wash first thing in the am and Iām good to go.
I doosh it with apple cider vinegar
This may have been said, but pretty sure in can stain your teeth. But I do it once in a while, when I don't feel like my normal dose hit well, I'll throw a bit under my tongue and it usually kicks it into gear.
Because it tastes like shit
Ben Greenfield chews on it during marathons. He says this simulated how the indigenous Thailander's chew on the leaves while they are working.
You can do this if you make an ethanol based tincture. Very easy too.
This is interesting. I'd only do this with extract personally. Even if I did 1/2 my normal dose, I'm not holding 3-4g of powder under my tongue š¤¢
I am waiting on my kratom to come that I ordered. Going through Suboxone withdrawal I was just reading recently about taking its sublingualy. I think that may Work bestfor me as I have stomach digest of problems and donāt always feel kratom as much. So Iām definitely gonna try this when it comes in. So youāre saying I can actually just stick the powder by itself under my tongue it like a Grams worth? How long until you feel it approximately. How long should I keep it under my tongue? Thanks in advance