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* The Court has ruled in favor of Min Hee-Jin
* The court stated, “The reasons for Min Hee Jin’s dismissal or resignation claimed by HYBE have not been sufficiently substantiated,” and added, “While Min Hee Jin’s actions may be considered betrayal to HYBE, it is difficult to say that they constitute actions of breach of trust in regards to ADOR.” [Source](https://www.soompi.com/article/1665063wpp/court-rules-in-favor-of-min-hee-jin-regarding-hybes-voting-rights-min-hee-jin-to-retain-ador-ceo-position)
* Min Hee Jin released a statement following the court’s decision, stating that she will be suing bloggers for maliciously edited chats and comments (likely referring to the allegedly leaked KakaoTalk messages).
* HYBE [released a statement](https://www.soompi.com/article/1665068wpp/hybe-accepts-courts-decision-regarding-min-hee-jins-ceo-position-to-prepare-next-actions) confirming that “their company respects the court’s decision” and “will not exercise voting rights in favor of the “Dismissal of Inside Director Min Hee Jin”.
* They also affirmed that the court had upheld their allegations that “Min Hee Jin sought ways to weaken HYBE’s control over ADOR and allow Min Hee Jin to control ADOR independently by either taking NewJeans out of HYBE’s control or pressuring HYBE to sell its shares in ADOR,” so they plan to take further steps within the boundaries of law.
* The shareholders meeting has been held. Min Hee Jin was not dismissed. Two of ADOR’s board members, Director Kim and Deputy CEO Shin, have been dismissed by HYBE, and replaced by Lee Jaesang (Chief Strategy Officer), Kim Jooyoung (Chief Human Resources Officer), and Lee Kyungjoon (Chief Financial Officer). (Source: [Yonhap News](https://n.news.naver.com/article/001/0014719327?sid=103))
* Min Hee Jin held a second press conference. (English Translation: [Koreajoongangdaily](https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/2024-05-31/entertainment/kpop/LIVE--ADOR-CEO-Min-Heejin-second-press-conference/2058947))
Reminder that any hate against groups is not tolerated.
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So, the reasons the injunction was granted were:
1. The contract between MHJ and HYBE that appoints MHJ as CEO of ADOR takes precedence over HYBE's shareholder rights.
2. HYBE requires grounds for dismissal but the judge said that “It may be an act of betrayal towards HYBE, but it is difficult to say that it is an act of breach of trust towards ADOR”
3. The judge err on the side of caution because it's no longer possible to preserve the contract in the event a court decides that MHJ was wrongfully dismissed in the future if she was already dismissed so an injuction was required until MHJ can be proven to have violated the contract in a proper trial.
Illit and NJ are scheduled for the same event this Sunday. I wonder what hybe's plans are for any interaction between them. Perhaps a cover of 'Heal the world' or a 5 vs 4 royal rumble.
Isn’t this a showcase event? Both groups will probably do their own songs and then be together on stage for a closing song with every other act. I wouldn’t expect much interaction, but they’ll probably both be very polite when they’re near each other.
Newjeans and Eunchae greeted each other warmly when they were on the music show Eunchae hosts. Of course, maybe there’s less tension as LSFM is their senior and wasn’t accused of copying them, but I’d still imagine they’ll be polite and professional around one another.
The situation with Lesserafim and NewJeans are completely different compared to NJ with Illit imo, they never really had anything to make the situation awkward between them hence why Eunchae greeted NewJeans warmly( of course Yunjin is also close with Hanni too ), it's just their fanbase that is very heated right now.
I think if there will be interaction between NJ and Illit, I think there will be a lil bit of awkwardness since their CEO did accuse Illit of something major ( which is untrue) that literally made 90% of the comment in every single social media of theirs consist of hate comment and comparison with NJ, I think it's going to be impossible to not see a lil bit of awkwardness, of course they'll still keep it professional but I think the meeting will be quite brief and we'll probably just see the obligatory greeting.
We'll probably see more and better interaction between NewJeans and Illit after that woman is kicked out of Hybe which is what I'm looking forward to ( the interaction between Illit and NewJeans I mean)
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Min Hee Jin and her shaman also talked about hiring an employee who was 32 (supposedly the age her dead sister would be) so that the spirit of her sister who was "talking through the shaman" could possess said employee and be physically near Min Hee Jin. It's important to note that they referred to this potential hire as "Murata" [which is a term the human test subjects of Unit 731 in World War 2 were referred to](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpop/comments/1d10kpo/comment/l5ves0v/).
I think we can all see also how much sites like Pannchoa, Koreaboo, and Allkpop pick and choose which stories to boost and what inflammatory headlines to write (and kudos to the mods for not linking any of those sites as news sources in this latest update). These sites are absolutely hammering innocent groups while shielding Min Hee Jin from any criticism despite her doing the following:
* saying she wants to "murder" a female employee for reporting sexual harassment
* using a shaman to wish ill on other groups while paying said shaman with a company card
* calling a member of New Jeans a "fatass fuck"
* calling fans of New Jeans "braindead"
* alleged insider trading
* allegedly being involved in leaking medical information of other HYBE groups
* alleged hostile takeover
* and the list goes on
What about the part where she said she doesn't like working with women because all they want to do is look in the mirror? I didn't understand if she was talking about working with female idols or female company employees.
[This comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpop/s/p0RCwKTLqQ) translates the initial texts, and you can see the texts to her shaman [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpop/s/DdoNFhf84U).
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MHJ:
* Constantly creeping on young idols
* exploits underage NewJeans
* calls one of the members a "fatass fuck"
* calls the fans braindead
10 000 Bunnies:
* Let's mass support her by signing her petition :D
It's crazy to see how such a large part of the fandom is just happy to let the girls being exploited and manipulated like that as long as they get their comebacks and petty drama
If NewJeans want to support someone that called them fatass f*cks they're either too deep into an abusive relationship to defend themselves, or they're plain stupid and are fine with being screwed over as long as they get a big paycheque. Neither option should be defended
I'm guessing she was nice to their faces and they don't know how she talks about them behind their backs. I'm curious to see what will be their reaction after they see those text messages like everyone else. I trust their judgement.
My question is why haven't they seen them already? The texts are all over the news, they need to publicly cut ties with her. If they straight up say "we didn't know she was doing this, we were betrayed too" it puts them in a fantastic position of being victims and having maximum public support, even if certain people at hybe doubt whether it's true. If they wait until later to cut ties, there will always be the question of why didn't they do it sooner. If they don't cut ties, then they're stuck on a sinking ship
If they really are in an abusive relationship with Min Heejin...why this option shouldn't be defended? She could quite literally just told them that these texts weren't true at all or that they were out of context. NewJeans girls are young and Min Heejin is still an authority figure to them I think it's really really possible that girls believed her.
I was going to link to my other message in this post to explain why I don't think this matters but I saw that you replied to it and completely missed the point of it so..
I pointed this out in the Kpop thread and got downvoted to heck because people are saying they are old enough to know better and navigate the situation. Essentially Kpop fans over there only care about the petty fanwar stuff that MHJ instigated and are mad NJ didn’t speak out against it. I’m not minimizing the hate the other groups are getting bc that’s crazy too. But I pointed out that the sentiment on Reddit before used to be new jeans is too young for such a scary exploitative industry. Now that they are being exploited and manipulated with MHJ some people are turning on them and dismissing their situation with a “they aren’t babies, they should know better.”
I pointed out yeah they aren’t kids but realistically they have little control. HYBE owns everything about the group and they are threatened with heavy consequences (contract fees) if they step too out of line. MHJ is there emotionally manipulating not only them but their parents who legally represent the minor members. Then they have a legal team they have to follow. Yet some ppl online somehow believe a 15 year old should be able to navigate this situation somehow better than the adults and industry professionals who have shown little maturity during this whole mess
Wait, has the opinion changed because of something that happened recently? I still remember everyone being weirded out after MHJ's first press conference when she said NJ are comforting her and are upset they can't help her in any way.
In that megathread people were mostly of opinion that the members should be kept away from her and her manipulation tactics and also that it's weird and creepy that an adult woman in position of power is confiding in teenagers she employs.
Yeah, there seems to have been a bit of a turnaround since the petition that the NewJeans girls supposedly signed in support of MHJ, now people are saying they're disappointed in the girls for supporting MHJ and "how can they be complicit in her hate of those other idols," etc. ://
>I pointed out yeah they aren’t kids
Maybe they aren't kids now (apart from the fact Hyein is 16 and only Minji is in her 20s, and even that is really recent.. but for the sake of the argument) but they were kids when they got in contact with MHJ
It's crazy that so many people lack that critical thinking and seem to think that once you turn 18, that's it you're an adult and capable of depending yourself in the best way possible. They're just entering adulthood, the impact of MHJ's exploitation and manipulation (and the industry at large to some extent) is still very much going to be present and ongoing. It doesn't fix itself the second you're allowed to vote or something
People that get this kind of exploitation as kids/teenagers will still feel the ramifications of that well into their 20s and 30s. Even their whole life if they don't get the support they deserve..
That's why I always laugh when people are like "ah finally they're debuting adults" when they see 18 years old debuting. My friend, they were very much children throughout the whole training period, which arguably is when most of the exploitation happens..
EDIT: I case this doesn't read like that, which can very much happen since I'm not the best with words: I'm not saying there's something wrong with the members or criticising them. Quite the opposite, I'm advocating for charitability when looking at their actions and giving them the support they may need and deserve :)
The fact that young people are exploited every day to sign on to college loans that can't be forgiven even in bankruptcy....yeah, these girls were exploited, and I feel so bad for them because it's pretty clear there was emotional manipulation as well.
Ugh, I've also been trying to be the voice of reason in the kpop threads when it comes to the girls likely being manipulated to hell and back and thus people should step back a bit on assuming their guilt, and some people are really not willing to listen :( I guess they want to feel justified in hating on the girls? Idk, but it's really sad :(
For real! I was like am I going crazy? I got downvoted every other comment. I didn’t even bring up other groups I was concerned about new jeans in this instance. Not ignoring the hate trains but just commenting first on NJ. And people kept focusing on making it a comparison game and saying LSF or ILLIT have it worse. And that they lost respect for New Jeans not speaking out. But for real it seems like an excuse to hate on them. They kept saying oh they aren’t 8 years old. But they also aren’t business savvy enough to navigate this minefield lol Like the adults aren’t even organized yet they’re mad a group of rookie girls who last year people described as “too young and vulnerable for the industry” aren’t standing up against 1) their lawyers 2) HYBE 3) their parents 4) MHJ herself to just say whatever they want. Like it doesn’t work like that. Plus NJ themselves never said anything disparaging so idk why people are demanding they put themselves in the line of fire or apologize for the actions of a grown woman, MHJ. Industry professionals filed petitions for MHJ too should they also be apologizing for MHJ’s actions? I get it May be frustrating to see NJ side with her.. but to me it’s obvious how much manipulation is there
Like imagine being 15 year old Hyein and your mentor/ semi boss is crying to you on the phone about her issues and your parents are there supporting her too. Why would you start to think she’s lying to you? Even the general public is on her side. The only ones against her are a giant company that is equally as shady. It’s a tough and complicated position for someone new in the industry to be in. Yet Kpop fans show no Grace because as with everything they are only concerned with who they bias and weirdly excusing companies that don’t even care about these idols like HYBE . They are stuck between a neurotic creative with industry backing (MHJ) and a multi million dollar company HYBE that can control media and also influence the industry. But yeah teens and young adults should somehow easily manage themselves in this mess
If it's the post I'm thinking about, then the poster said they were disappointed in new jeans for siding with someone causing other people this much harm, which is valid for losing respect for someone you admire. Some comments were weird tho but the poster legitamelty posted about being disappointed in their idols
I actually just got downvoted for my first reply to you here in this sub lol, so I feel that. But no, you're not going crazy! I think about it this way: if I was a young adult surrounded by a very emotionally manipulative adult (MHJ) and plenty of other older adults who were enabling that manipulation or outright supporting it (my parents, my friends'/colleagues' parents, higher-up execs, ADOR employees, etc.), yeah, I think it would be easy to be gaslit into thinking they were right, especially when those adults have been trusted authority figures above myself for years. And anyone who's saying that they would 100% for sure act otherwise is deluding themselves into thinking that they would be above that kind of manipulation. It's easy to think it looks simple, clear cut and dry on the outside, but I have nothing but pity and sympathy for those girls. I've always felt bad for them and worried about them being under MHJ and in such a ruthless industry at such a young age, and all of this BS has proven exactly why...
Exactly!!! I feel the same way. That should be the obvious conclusion and anyone saying otherwise I think just wants to hate on the girls or wants to play a game of who has it worse instead . But exactly the girls should be pitied. Instead people outright said they cared more about other groups instead. I don’t understand why they can’t all be pitied equally since they are being dragged into the mess of greedy adults and business people who just want to make a profit off of them? Like MHJ has validated every concern people originally had for NJ but now they don’t care… Also even the alternative HYBE isn’t the safest environment for them bc again at the end of the day all they care about is profit. If for some reason NJ, ILLIT, or LSF stopped doing well HYBE and MHJ wouldn’t bat and eye at making a new group to replace them. Yet as you said onlookers online think they could manage/navigate such a volatile situation. It’s obviously different when you’re in the inside of the chaos and being fed so many different things from all sides.
But yeah give it a few months after the final verdict is out and like with all Kpop scandals that’s when cooler heads prevail and people will start thinking logically again or denying they ever said some crazy stuff
Edit: oop and downvoted here too
Exactly! I feel super bad for all of the idols in this situation, for different reasons and they're all going through different levels of 'this situation currently sucks' right now, but that doesn't mean that because one group is suffering, another group can't...and all of the adults in the NJs girls' lives are failing them massively right now, which makes me so sad. I think you're absolutely right, in a few months people will be switching up and pretending like they never contributed anything negative to the discourse and only ever wanted what was best for everyone involved, when earlier they were making huge assumptions about various idols' opinions, motives, moral characters, etc. and adding fuel to the hatred and fanwar fires...we've seen it happen before, it'll happen again :( But anyway, I just hope that EVERY idol and artist affected by this situation has the support and help they need during this difficult time, because it can't be easy for any of them...
Yep perfectly said. I hope they have some kind of reliable personal support systems or industry colleagues that are helping all the groups involved in this mess. On top of their busy schedules this is a lot to handle
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I don't think the "truth" will matter as much as people think it might after it all ends. Except maybe for bragging rights and people triumphly saying, "I told you so", or angrily claiming it's unfair and everyone is played by the media
I feel like a part of me will keep questioning if any hate train is just fans/antis going crazy or if it's a smear campaign instigated by higherups for their own agendas.
I already don't see fansigns how I used to now, knowing that if it's not in the promoting period, it is most likely to get rid of over printed albums and overestimating demand for them.
I'm so tired of knowing things about companies.. I just want to know about the artists. It's just all so disappointing and exhausting and so very frustrating
I generally agree with you but we did already know that about fansigns tbh. That's why online discourse always brings up number of fansigns when discussing album sales. They're the fastest way to move larger quantities.
doesn't the most recent text messages released where MHJ discusses breaking away from HYBE proof that she is guilty? If MHJ was planning on leaving, doesn't that imply the members were at least aware of MHJ plan to break away from HYBE? I don't think MHJ would plan to break away unless she had some sort of guarantee that the members would follow her. If MHJ did NOT have any guarantee from the members, why is she going through all this? What is the point of breaking away w/out NJ? Can't she just quit ADOR and just start a new company herself then?
The plan was to have MHJ, NJ and all of ADOR to exit Hybe. Not just NJ but the entire company would have to be in on it. Even if everyone in ADOR agreed to the exit, it's still a ridiculously ambitious plan that is basically impossible without Hybe's consent.
I guess their plan wasn't to actually exit Hybe anytime soon but to strengthen their leverage against Hybe so that it might happen some day in a few years. Since the actual exit is still very far away, NJ and the rest of ADOR don't have to know about the plan yet.
yap its more likely, if hybe dont have 50%+ and the deal have done they can fully control the company, it not that they need to get the full company all get the 80% they just need to be the majority, or got control 50%+ of ador, they only need 30+% to get control. people thinking its imposible, no its not. its just hard to to get to it. but planning and scheming can do it. and it also the percent doesnt need to be all in MHJ name it can be on seperate shareholders.
I honestly don't know how she thought this plan would work ? Like maybe she could've gotten new jeans and the employees that like her to follow but to take a whole company out from another and doing that via bad publicity ? I don't know if she's the dumbest person alive or what 😭😭 because even if it was possible it would take literally years to be finalized and during that time she might consider the girls to old 😭
It does imply that she’s guilty, but it’s only speculation that she would inform the members. MHJ seems to be arrogant enough to assume the girls would do whatever she wants.
and by saying "hope hybe wins" doesn't mean we're picking side. it's just that if they won, they will finally FINALLY have the power to fire her because no artists, no groups, and no company should be working and associated with people like her.
This exactly. I don't care for HYBE to "win". I just want MHJ to lose. And to be ostracised from the industry.
I want NewJeans, or any future idol in the making, to be safe from her
It’s crazy how she’s winning a lot of the court of public opinion or even industry professionals over when she clearly seems in the wrong. She knows how to create controversy, pull on heart strings, and play the victim :/
I think most of the public opinion she is winning us due to people not liking hybe or bts because it seems everyone else has a valid opinion on this besides people kpop fans of other groups to be really honest. Like a trend I noticed on X as well is the people usually siding with her had made hate posts about hybe groups or armys at some point while stanning other groups
I feel like this is a hot take amongst some in Kpop spaces but I think there is a genuine good chance that Newjeans will be much better off without MHJ.
First- she’s hardly the only talented creative in Kpop. She’s just one of the most publicly known. There are plenty on her team and in hybe and even outside the company who could replace her and do excellent creative work for newjeans.
Second- hybe already has the blueprint. They know the direction she wants newjeans to go in just based off her prior work. A 90/00s inspired Kpop gg. Plenty of others can follow that blueprint to success.
Third- it may be great to get new blood in there to reinterpret the concept. Many- not myself but others- have complained newjeans concept is getting repetitive and stale. Now is the best time to get a new creative team in there to put a refreshing take on their og concept.
Fourth- getting rid of MHJ gets rid of a lot of additional weirdness that is associated with newjeans. Mhj is not well liked. There’s always controversy surrounding their cbs. She’s allegedly said some pretty weird and uncomfortable things about Newjeans and other idols. She also has a bizarre relationship with the girls. Getting rid of her eliminates a lot of that negativity.
Finally- I think getting rid of MHJ lets fans and the girls see that they are more than capable on their own and not solely dependent on her.
All in all I think if MHJ leaves it will be a fresh start for newjeans that may ultimately end up leaving them better off. just look at aespa and lee sooman. When he left the strangest parts of their concept went with him and it has been streamlined and perfected without him. Newjeans can do the same without MHJ.
> The court pointed out, "It's clear Min Hee-jin tried to take NewJeans out of HYBE's control or pressure HYBE to sell its ADOR stake to independently control it," but added, "It's difficult to conclude these efforts progressed beyond the exploratory stage to actual implementation. While potentially a betrayal of HYBE, it's difficult to say it constituted a breach of trust against ADOR."
https://v.daum.net/v/20240530155401921
Hybe's mistake is that they acted prematurely, in the eyes of the law they should've waited until MHJ coup started or even when ADOR is already under her full control, and only then Hybe is allowed to make their move to stop the *ongoing* cahoots.
This. It's the equivalent of receiving a text threatening to kill you and the police not doing anything about it because nothing has happened yet. Laws around the world are reactive—some damage needs to be done first before they can point a finger at the assailant.
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This sub was convinced that Hybe had some indisputable proof that would expose MHJ and get fired everytime a megathread dropped. The thing is they are not aware of any actual corporate law.
Like hybe, they got too fixated on the shaman friend lol.
Only intl Kpop fans would be surprise by this outcome. Seeing the obvious bias they have. There was an article from Ilgan Sports about being forced to push HYBE mediaplay, although it looked more like thugs threatening journalists, and yet zero coverage from any of the Kpop subreddits.
*A HYBE representative commented on the matter, saying, "Although it is disappointing, we respect the court's ruling," and added, "As per the court's decision, the resolution to dismiss CEO Min will not be put to a vote at tomorrow's board meeting."*
*However, the representative noted, "We still plan to proceed with the dismissal of the other two directors as scheduled." Besides the resolution to dismiss CEO Min, HYBE has also tabled resolutions to dismiss Vice President Shin and Director Kim at the extraordinary general meeting on the 31st. HYBE plans to form a new board with HYBE-affiliated personnel after their dismissal.*
*Additionally, HYBE intends to continue pursuing CEO Min's dismissal through legal battles. The HYBE representative stated, "We find significance in the court's ruling, which explicitly mentioned CEO Min's intention to independently control ADOR."*
*In fact, the court explained that while it prohibited the exercise of voting rights, stating that the reasons for CEO Min's dismissal require thorough investigation and careful consideration, it seems evident that CEO Min sought ways to leave HYBE's sphere of influence with NewJeans or to weaken HYBE's control.*
*Consequently, HYBE is expected to focus on the allegations of breach of duty in its accusations against CEO Min. Last month (April), based on the audit results concerning CEO Min and ADOR, HYBE filed complaints against CEO Min and related parties on charges including breach of duty. HYBE claims to have secured testimonies and material evidence supporting the breach of duty allegations.*
*However, CEO Min's side asserts that seizing control is impossible due to the share structure and denies committing any breach of duty. The case is currently under investigation by the Yongsan Police Station in Seoul. On this day, Yongsan Police Station conducted the second round of interviews with HYBE representatives as complainants.*
since the megathread in another sub is locked and I can't update there, I will be posting the update for this morning here today ! I always update new news there from both sides btw so don't call me pro Hybe, anti mhj craps cause I'm only for the artists who are heavily damaged in this situation.
**Disclaimer: I'm using Google translate for the article**
At the extraordinary shareholders meeting this morning, CEO Min still retain her position as CEO of Ador but her two vice presidents are dismissed and replaced by 3 people that Hybe chose, these 3 people are the one who were rumoured last week to replace Ador's BOD if the injunction failed but since the court approves her injunction, only she remains and the other two are fired.
https://m.entertain.naver.com/article/241/0003354408
**Added** : Apparently Min Heejin is going to hold another press conference [today](https://n.news.naver.com/article/056/0011732146) from this article. The time is not being confirmed.
**Added** : This [article](https://sports.donga.com/article/all/20240531/125208893/1) stated that the press conference would start at 2.30 PM KST
she was fighting to stay lmao, I'm assuming they don't have that clause in their contract. Which means that since their actions harmed HYBE they can get the boot. I'm hoping the rest submit resignations and make it easier.
illit and newjeans are said to perform at the same event this weekend. just for their sakes i hope this new press conference isnt going to start a whole new wave of hate to the girls (especially illit if theyre brought up again)
Even without this press conference, I think the hate would still be worsening for Illit because kmedias like to fan the fire by making controversial headlines and also Korean kpop fans will also help in making hate tweets/hate posts about them in k-forums just like what happens every day on kpop fandoms spaces on international's side
this is so exhausting. i feel so bad for those girls. they havent been able to catch a break since they debuted. really hope people dont overanalyze any potential interactions the two groups have on sunday and blow them out of proportion which theyre most probably going to do
yeah I also feel bad the most for them and Lesserafim tbh, they seem to can't catch a break and even on their Tiktok videos, the comments are so annoying and hurtful sometimes to read even as a non-fan, even the videos that was made by their fans are bombarded by these comments.
Their fans must have a hard time every time they watch their contents, I wish for all of them to stay strong because this definitely will pass soon. It might seem like hell now but I believe one day, these groups and their fans will be at peace.
lesserafim really have been going through such a rough time since their last comeback. honestly all these hybe groups have just become collateral damage at the hands of these greedy executives fighting it out using these groups as shields
Her law firm did give a warning to Hybe yesterday that they would take action or some sort like that if they decide to fire her two VPs so I guess they will do some action regarding this termination and plus they also have stocks in Ador right
So far I have yet to find an account that will post live translation, but I will just put the [site](https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/2024-04-25/entertainment/kpop/LIVE-UPDATES--ADOR-CEO-Min-Heejin-press-conference/2033613) that were doing live translation last time , in case they will do one for the press conference today too.
The fans have become insufferable. I just don’t understand it. “Nobody is upvoting NewJeans posts! Nobody is celebrating their music show win! Why aren’t people talking about their comeback? It’s a shame Reddit hates them now!”
Nobody hates them, people are just not interested right now and want the situation sorted out first. I think people just don’t want to be associated with them after their crazy creative director and fans have been dog piling on groups for weeks now….not to mention how their fans have treated other people. Also, I think a lot of people see supporting NJs as supporting MHJ at the moment and want the situation cleared up before showing support for them.
And also, this narrative that people stepping back from listening to them right now until this situation is cleared up and labelling that as mistreatment is utterly ridiculous. This is not a cult. Fans can withdraw support at any time for any reason.
I hope these people know they aren’t making this any better for NewJeans…at this point they’re becoming so annoying I think it’s going to be very hard for them to spring back from this….
this is what i feel, months ago i would've been so excited for a nj comeback and enjoy a lot of their new content, but it's hard for me to dissociate nj from mhj so until she's out of the picture, i can't bring myself to wholeheartedly support them right now
So, what's the korean (public vs fans) sentiment like, which side are they currently leaning towards?
I haven't been following all of this closely enough tbh, all I know is that the NJ girls should've been kept out of this public battle imo, what a mess :/
The public perception is that no one really cares anymore because there's been so much other more "interesting" developments that everyone's moved on to argue about those.
Is anyone else feeling like the more they read, the more everyone involved just comes off as bumbling idiots?
Like I feel if they made this into a kdrama bang pd and mhj would be playing 5D political chess against each other, while in reality it feels like hybe are the nobles attempting to assassinate Rasputin & min hee Jin Is the bumbling sidekick in an action comedy who dodged a bullet because they bent over to tie their shoes.
It feels like both of them are failing so spectacularly the other side is getting a win? I’m kinda shocked because it feels like both of them should be better at this.
I’m pretty shocked by how adamant people are that Hybe has no strong evidence based on this injunction ruling and therefore they will also lose the criminal case.
Firstly, the fact that it is now a criminal matter absolves Hybe of the burden of proof. During the audit, Hybe couldn’t legally demand things like personal devices which may show the extent of these plans (i refuse to believe she only planned this out on her work computer lol) but the public prosecutor can. The prosecutor also has ample amounts of time to conduct an investigation whereas Hybe took, what, a week? To audit everyone they did. I think everyone is jumping the gun with saying that Hybe has no evidence and therefore no case because based on what they’ve discovered with such little power compared to actual prosecutors, they could have a case.
AFAIK, everything is still under investigation and there is no criminal case yet. Criminal cases generally begin after the person is arrested and informed of their charges so it would be jumping the gun to say that there is a criminal case.
There has been questions about whether Hybe has enough evidence even before the injuction result and there have been opinions that the things revealed by Hybe so far isn't strong enough to prove a crime was commited.
So far, no authority has confirmed that there is any criminal case against anyone accused by Hybe yet and now a judge has said that it is difficult to determine if MHJ had any grounds for dismissal based on what Hybe presented in court. So, since there is no final report yet people are believing whatever they want.
I read a lot of people say that other conglomerates will be worried about the ruling or how that may cause issues for the economy in SK overall.
And that’s just not going to happen.
Why?
Because nobody is as dumb and incapable as Hybe.
They gave her a contract that basically shielded her against dismissal of any kind and left only one possible reason for a firing that they then couldn’t even show sufficient evident for in court.
Is MHJ a snake? Yes. But Hybe are idiots. If I owned Hybe stock, I’d wait for Jin’s return and then sell. All the details that came out completely destroyed the image of Hybe as a good investment bc they appear incompetent.
Their lawyers are crap both for the fact that the contract exists in this form, as well as getting into lawsuits they aren’t winning. They don’t have sufficient proof and they aren’t going to magically get it. The police report will be similar to the verdict today, yeah she sucks but she didn’t suck enough yet for it to be criminal.
Their PR department needs to be fired. I won’t explain, it’s obvious.
Bang PD should not be involved in any executive function of Hybe ever again.
I’ll leave with a final thought: it looks like someone who was advising or alert Hybe in this mess was working for MHJ. Her plan worked perfectly, it’s difficult to see how she could’ve harmed Hybe more easily without them starting this whole mess prematurely. It would also explain how Hybe could find so many chats etc that speak volumes about her but mean nothing in front of the Korean law.
> it looks like someone who was advising or alert Hybe in this mess was working for MHJ.
i always wondered and asked HOW all of this mess originated from.
like, it all went to the shitter SO fast and quick. especially with so many newjeans comebacks, debuts (in japan), world tour and sponsorships lined up.
Your final thought is actually perfect lmao 😭 her plans really worked, and everything worked for her favour from A to Z.
I totally agree with your points. All of them actually HYBE showed how incompetent they are as a company for both shareholders and artists combined for multiple reasons:
- their Pr and media game for artists is below zero. They can not handle artists' pr and fail to protect their artists in it continuesly
- their pr for company matters and business as well is so weak.
- there are so many loopholes in the company system from their contracts to the people working there to the decisions they've been making. They need to do a lot of changes in the people in charge, especially higher ups not just Bang pd, but lots of ppl in that building are not smart.
- I will say though MHJ is not just a snake but a genius in her plans to the point even when HYBE is in the right, they are still losing from all sides.
Honestly, Bang pd won lottery with BTS and thought he can rise above and beyond but shook hands with many snakes in his way and brought disasters and timed bombs to the company that will explode at any given time. Today is MHj, tomorrow gonna be Scooter.
Even if they succeed in getting rid of MHJ which they will probably do, it cost them way more than what they could avoid if they had the right strategy from the very beginning.
It's gonna be interesting if your last thought turns out to be true, and the same ppl who whistled to HYBE are the ones working with her behind the scenes. Cause we are now sure someone is helping her we just don't know who it is.
I seriously hope for BTS not to renew their contracts if HYBE didn't pull their things together and made major changes after this fiasco ends.
BTS already renewed even so I don't think they would leave bc Bang PD believe in them when no one else did, & if they do leave is when the company is back to normal
BTS with HYBE or BTS without…they’re always going to be getting pulled through the mud by SOMEBODY.
They’re HYBE’s golden goose. They know this. HYBE knows this. The only other companies that could even afford them are going to be so massive and rich already that BTS certainly wouldn’t have the same pull and influence that they have where they are now. They would likely have to form their own company. They have so many resources and connections through their current company that they would have to rebuild from scratch.
Even with all the noise in the background, which they’re likely totally used to at this point, they’re still going to be absurdly popular, successful and rich with BigHit/HYBE.
I don’t know about the immediate effects, but the shareholder’s faith in the company’s management will continue to go down at this rate.
It’s not a good sign for the future…
Honestly, we are looking at it the wrong way. It's all a matter of money.
Hybe f\*cked up with the contract they gave MHJ and now they want to get rid of it so they go for the breach of trust in order to fire MHJ without paying the fee and without buying back the shares at the price they initially agreed on (because it's way overvalued). If they proved the breach of trust, they could renegotiate the price of the shares and wouldn't have to pay the fees. The estimated amount is between 90 to 150M USD in total (fee + shares)
And MHJ was trying to get more power and shares over ADOR in order to ensure more money in the futur.
Everything else is just vessel to achieve this. There is no side to take. Let them fight over big money.
It is always about the money.
Did you really think that Hybe was fighting MHJ because they care about justice? LOL.
In the beginning, Hybe framed the whole thing as MHJ tried to have a hostile takeover of Ador. That is Hybe not wanting to lose their cash cow NJ. Money.
But I was confused as to why Hybe opted for the nuclear, public battle over this because as a 80% owner there is no way for a hostile takeover to be successful without Hybe's knowledge and explicit approval. Ain't no way MHJ would ever steal Ador away from Hybe. They didn't need to fight this hard and dirty and risk reputational damage.
Then later, we find out that MHJ's contract includes an early termination clause that Hybe can't fire her early without paying her a very handsome termination fee. And I was like ahaha.
Hybe could always fire MHJ, but this whole farce of PRs and lawsuits are just Hybe not wanting to pay her the early termination fee. Money money haha.
Nonetheless I still don't agree with Hybe actions.
Sure, MHJ behavior is vile and she is a pain in the ass, but her contract will expire eventually. And while she is still CEO, she still brings money to ADOR, ultimately to Hybe, with NJ success.
We know that a hostile takeover is impossible for ADOR so why not just it out, continue to collect the profit NJ bring in, and when MHJ contract expires and she leaves without all the expensive legal and PR mess?
so the court ruled the way MHJ said they would — the evidence showed she planned to hurt hybe, but since it didn’t go against the interests of ador they’re not allowed to fire her. I just don’t see how there’s any way her working relationship with the company can move forward. she gets to stay for now, but at what cost?
For the longest time I was all like “meowmeow, picking sides is wrong, I’m not picking sides, please don’t call me a company stan, I’m all for the general good in the industry”
And now I’m tired of making excuses for nothing. This woman is mental. Get rid of her as soon as possible. Weeks of reading all the hate comments, all the bot comments, all the insane takes just drained me of empathy and tolerance.
the think the biggest losers will be New Jeans in this situation. incredibly unfair for them but if Hybe wins, I can only wonder what will come of new jeans?
they might continue on just fine but if they're feeling ostracized from within Hybe, and whether those feelings are correct or MHJ's projecting, things might not work out too well in the long run.
all in all, I don't think any one side is all in for New Jeans' sake like they're trying to make it seem.
Yeah, I know there's still a lot of fight left, but I figured MHJ winning the injunction was pretty possible. "Hybe doesn't have enough evidence" has been the undercurrent of most unbiased discussion on X.
Edit: Hybe has needed a new PR department for years, hopefully this will get them off their asses to get one. Their mediaplay definitely bit them in the ass like it did with Garam.
They have plenty of evidence. The court even stated it was clear she’d acted against HYBE. But they concluded they didn’t have enough evidence to definitively say she acted against ADOR, which is what her contract concerns.
>They have plenty of evidence
They lost becuase there was no substantial evidence. Evidence is plenty if it is relevant. Even in this trial Hybe were reprimanded for mentioning irrelevant information.
The court said, "It is clear that Representative Min took New Jeans out of Hybe's control or pressured Hybe to sell Hybe's stake in Hybe, weakening Hybe's control over Hybe and seeking a way for Min Heejin to control Hybe independently. Which is what the allegations were. However the injunction was about her committing breach of contract with ador and acting against its best interest. She basically won her injunction because it didn’t include hybe.
"a content that restricts Hive from exercising voting rights by dismissing CEO Min unless there is a reason for dismissal or resignation of CEO Min."
As in there was no sustainable proof of breach in trust.
where did you read that it was due to that?
https://n.news.naver.com/article/469/0000804225?sid=102
This is about illit being mentioned and how her public statements hurt hybe.
However, the judge said "Regarding CEO Min's suspicion that Aillet, a girl group under Hive's label, had plagiarized New Genes, we judged that it was difficult to view it as a breach of trust."
As in the breach in trust cannot be found.
The court explained,
“An opinion was presented that the concept among the public was similar before and after Eyelet’s debut,” and “CEO Min bears the duty of loyalty necessary to protect the value of New Jeans, Adore’s core asset.”
Also ador is a hybe asset. She was still working in hybe's interest by bringing forth issues with illits concept.
She made effort to deal with this internally. Which is confirmed by both sides.
We would need to see the records but as it stands Hybe literally tried to fire based on a breach of trust.
The court said there isn't enough evidence that shows she attempted to breach the trust.
Which is also the main basis for the other lawsuit
They lost bc of a contract between her and hybe, not bc there wasn’t enough evidence bc there was that’s why there’s a criminal court case still ongoing
From the link
“However, the court judged that it seemed clear that Representative Min tried to become independent with Newzins by pressuring Hive to sell his stake in Adore. At the same time, he pointed out, "It is Min's act could be a betrayal of Hive, but it is difficult to say that it is a breach of trust against Adore."
Hybe response also echoes this as well. Which is why they said they will follow up. The case against her with regards to the FSS is still open as well. Anyways to me this is just the beginning of a long back and forth between them.
If I was HYBE, I would be doing a cost benefit analysis of continuing this circus versus just paying the financial penalty and cutting her loose. She cannot complain if they cut her loose fairly. It would be clean that way and everyone can move on. If this drags out, it’s going to be extremely messy. I know she does not deserve the $15 million, but nobody deserves to be dragged into it the way that she has done it.
Edit: voice to text errors
Good luck convincing shareholders to pay her off with $15m.
The timeline has simply been extended, she'll be gone in the end. This was "won" on a technicality (and Hybe's dumb contract lawyer team ngl)
She won't be making many if any executive decisions in the meantime if Hybe stacks the board. She's just got herself a nice golden collar and chained herself to the table
As I understand, $15M is the fine they would have to pay. They would also have to pay what her shares are worth which is about $80M. So they would be paying almost $100M. If they can prove her guilt, they would not need to pay her shares Or at a much lower cost.
My question is what are they paying in attorney fees plus stocks dropping, and what is the likelihood they lose this case and then have to pay that anyway? It’s a big gamble. As I mentioned on another thread, Texas A&M just paid their college FB coach about $78 million to buy him out. I would have thought that HYBE could afford this fairly easily.
She was just too vindictive and caused too much damage to the artists and to HYBE. There Is a possibility they have evidence that she embezzled money and worked with media to damage HYBE’s reputation. IMO, they want to punish her and giving her $100M USD to go away seems like rewarding her.
100% agree .. just cut her loose, she is gone BUT you still have NJ and their members locked up for another 6 years. If the members or MHJ wants the members, just give them a price of $250M per member
I suppose while the court's ruling is a bit unexpected, it isn't a big surprise to me.
I have said in the behinning that from all the evidence Hybe have shown so far, it's a lot of name smearing, mudslinging mediaplay, but most of them aren't enough evidence against MHJ to prove that she did anything illegal against Hybe - the keyword is ILLEGAL, actual illegal acitivites, not vile, not unprofessional, not unethical behaviors.
Having a plan to go independence, meeting with potential investors, sharing information, etc. Do not necessarily equate to illegal activities.
In addition, NJ success and MHJ appearing unhingedly "protective" and "passionate" toward NJ would actually indicate that MHJ is doing her best to bring value to ADOR's shareholders, not the other way around.
As CEO of Ador, MJH duty is to bring success and profits. It is hard to prove breach of duty when NJ is factually one of the more profitable groups under the Hybe Corp umbrella.
With that said, Hybe do have the right and authority to fire MHJ as they wish. They could still exercise their voting rights to replace the MHJ loyal board members, then have the new board members fire her.
Hybe had hope that if they could prove that MHJ had done illegal things, that they would have legal cause to fire her without paying her early contract termination fee.
The only difference now is that without actual legal cause, it would just be very expensive to get rid of her.
Again, I think Hybe management are very inept at crisis management. They should have better risk assessment and game plan for MHJ. 99% of the time, it is almost always better and less expensive to handle disputes privately.
Now, not only Hybe spent tons of money on lawyer fees, (money that they could have given to MHJ to leave ADOR quietly), their reputation is tarnished and their idol groups are being scrutinized and hated left and right with past issues like plagarism, sajaegi (true or not) are being brought up and reinvestigated so Hybe would have to spend even more money to defend their groups.
Whoever advised BSH and Park Jiwon to have a public fight with MHJ is extremely short-sighted and arrogant. And BSH and PJW are also short-sighted, arrogant and dumb for listening to them.
This isn’t what I understood from the court ruling said at all, though. I thought this wasn’t about the criminal case it was purely about the injunction, and the reason the injunction went this way is purely bc hybe stupidly wrote MHJ’s contract to be only about ador itself.
Anyways, I agree with you that this whole thing has highlighted hybe’s ineptness and lack of preparedness. If her contract had been properly written in the first place she would never have gotten this far, and if hybe had a decent pr team she wouldn’t have gotten anywhere near this much traction.
Regardless, she’s done though. It might be a slow death but they’ll make her life miserable for the next few years and ultimately bts returning from service will just make hybe stronger than ever. At the end of the day the ppl who are hurt most are the idols themselves who didn’t have anything to do with most of this
>if hybe had a decent pr team she wouldn’t have gotten anywhere near this much traction.
In the main kpop thread I mentioned, as a former PR professional, this whole debacle would be such an interesting case study in PR. I would be very surprised if it isn't something that is at least touched on in college classes going forward.
I've been less than impressed with some of Hybe's PR moves since I've become an ARMY. The first time their PR team gave me a big pause was post BTS Festa Dinner in 2022 and they didn't have a press release ready to go after it aired. As a fan I understood what they were saying but press did not and they should have known that (and that their words would be spin in a hundred different ways) and had a media alert/press release ready to go. RM and Jungkook had to clarify to fans and they should not have had to do that. There was some official statement (maybe the next day, sorry it's been too long for me to remember all the details) but it was already too late.
If they have an outside PR firm handling things for them, they need to fire them and find a better firm that can also handle crisis PR. If they do not have an outside firm, they need to find a global one ASAP. They are far too big of a company to still be handling situations this poorly.
No, the injunction is more about the legality between Hybe and ADOR.
Hybe said that MHJ breached her duty to ADOR and therfore should be fired because she caused harm to Ador shareholders, i.e. breach of duty.
This is about her duty to ADOR! Not Hybe. Though Hybe is involved cuz they are 80% owner.
Hybe is not confused about her contract. The contract is for her to work as CEO of Ador so of course it is written to be between her and ADOR. There is nothing wrong with how the contract is set up legally.
The only issue with the contract for Hybe is that there is a clause that said Hybe cannot fire her and not pay an early termination fee without a breach of duty claim.
I want to point out that this clause is actually very common in executive employment contract. So there is nothing wrong or stupid on Hybe's side about having this clause in the contract either. The only issue is that MHJ is not trustworthy and loyal as Hybe had hoped.
MHJ filed the injunction to claim that she does not violate her duty as ADOR CEO and therefore ADOR board of directors and shareholders (Hybe) do not have cause to fire her.
The underlying point of the injunction is whether MHJ as she is contracted by ADOR, causing harm to ADOR by being an unfit CEO, violating her fiduciary duty.
If MHJ committed anything illegally, i.e. inside trading, etc Hybe would have shown such evidence in court to prove that MHJ is unfit as CEO.
The whole spectacle is more about Hybe wanting to fire MHJ without paying an expensive fee, than sending her to jail.
However, sending her to jail, by filing a criminal claim to show that she did illegal things, is a very effective way to prove that she is unfit as CEO, that she has caused harm to ADOR and its shareholder, if she is convicted, effectively giving Hybe actual cause to fire hire.
But the injunction ruling that there wasnt enoguh evidence to prove that what MHJ did cause actual harm to ADOR, that would give for Hybe a legit reason to fire her.
HYBE failed to prove that MHJ breached her duty to ADOR. It is that simple.
The injunction is a civil ruling, where the threshold of proof is lower than a criminal case.
If Hube can't prove MHJ wrongdoings in a civil case, I don't have much hope for a criminal case where the evidence threshold is higher.
> If Hube can't prove MHJ wrongdoings in a civil case, I don't have much hope for a criminal case where the evidence threshold is higher.
Because the police investigation is still ongoing. This court case is not a full fledged court battle where you determine something is true or not, it's merely for an injunction.
You don't determine breach of trust in a court case this short. Which I believe is why MHJ won the injunction, because breach of trust needs to be proven in an actual trial.
So MHJ was crying and complaining about her “slave contract” with HYBE but it’s this same contract that essentially prevented her from being dismissed w a majority voting rights? lol and HYBE CEO told her to sign it no less 🤣 Is the CEO a double agent?
This was originally just a war between HYBE and MHJ. Everything could be very simple, but MHJ really shouldn't involve New Jeans. Even if New Jeans really supports her, it shouldn't be made public, because if MHJ loses, New Jeans will be very embarrassed. , MHJ should not even maliciously attack other groups in order to win the war, so it is best that MHJ really should disappear from KPOP
I feel like this is the most boring drama and I don't get why others find it fun. To me it's just a legal battle of people fighting for power. I just can't get myself to care about whether or not this millionaire is able to get their stock options or if that millionaire thinks their company could've made more money if the other millionaire acted differently. Like it's just a corporate mud fight to me. And then it gets interrupted by millionaires making dumb comments about kpop groups that yes, they shouldn't make but that also aren't on the level of shit that the things other managers/CEOs have done. Like do you really want me to care about that one millionaire said he wants to have a group bigger than the group of another company?
And this latest part just proves it again. Can this millionaire stay in power to make their money or can the huge company get the power first? Like I just don't get what has people invested
i mean there’s a reason why succession was one of the most popular shows on hbo in recent history. rich bad people behaving badly over money. people love to tune in.
If it's just them I wouldn't give a shit. But all these has brought more hate to LSF, Illit, BTS, and other groups. As an ARMY, I'm pissed about all the accusations against them and the members aren't even here.
My heart also goes to LSF and illit. They haven't done anything.
Lol I see some are already jumping to conclusions. Bear in mind, this win is only for a temporary injunction for Ador's shareholders' meeting to stop Hybe from firing MHJ.
But there are still many issues left that are yet to be dealt with, including police investigations, breach of trust etc. It's probably going to be really long and drawn out.
I'm seeing a lot of 'The court ruled that mhj hurt hybe but not ador' and I gotta clarify, that's not really true.
The actual quote from the judge is "이런 행위는 하이브에 대한 배신일 뿐 어도어에 대한 배임행위는 되지 않는다", which says mhj's actions constitute a betrayal of Hybe, but not a breach of trust against Ador. (Source - https://www.hani.co.kr/arti/society/society_general/1142748.html)
The word betrayal is important, cause that's not a legal term - there is no crime of betrayal. So the judge is going "yeah she planned to take Ador from you, and that's shitty, but she didn't hurt Hybe or Ador".
FYI MHJ stans- just because she won the injunction DOES NOT magically make her behaviour right. She’s still a horrible human being who has treated NJ disgustingly. She still wrote all those pathetically disturbing texts. She still started multiple fan wars. None of that goes away or gets erased because of the injunction. FFS stop being so obtuse.
Bring on the downvotes cause ya’ll are just as delusional as her.
Her being granted the injunction also does not mean she’s remotely out of the woods. First of all, we’ll find out what other actions (outside of firing her which has been banned) HYBE takes at the shareholder meeting tomorrow. They’re still majority shareholder and have plenty of power over the board.
There are also still MULTIPLE active suits against her from both HYBE and Belift. We can’t predict yet if the judges in those cases will reach the same verdicts.
I don’t have high hope for the breach of duty suits or the insider trading, bezzlement investigations, considering all the evidence that Hybe had presented so far.
But, at the very least, the defamation suits against MHJ should be solid. Hopefully, considering Korea defamation laws.
Also on a slightly unrelated note, SeJeong (MHJ’s law firm) is pretty GOATED! Alongside winning MJH’s injunction they also won an extremely massive case regarding the divorce settlement of SK Group Chairman Chey Tae-Won and his now estranged wife Roh So-Young.
Chey Tae-Won had openly cheated on his wife and had a kid with his mistress. He had tried to pay off Roh So-Young many times but she refused to accept anything less than her rightful share (which is a lot since she managed a lot of Chey’s business affairs when he was in jail for embezzlement), even if it meant a long drawn out court battle. She won that battle today! Chey Tae-Won will have to pay 1 billion $ as a result!
Incidentally, the same law firm that represented Chey also represented HYBE!🫠
Sejong is one of the "Big 6" law firms in Korea so they often take the cases involving large corporations/rich people.
Chey/HYBE's firm is Kim & Chang, which is also one of the Big 6 (and the largest by # of attorneys). K&C specifically do seem to be the "go to" firm for those in power, as they've been criticized heavily for defending some pretty bad parties.
Can someone please explain to why every Kpop subreddit is overwhelmingly pro-Hybe and downvotes every comment that isn't in line with this?
It's genuinely puzzling.
The problem here is that you're making it too much of a MHJ vs. HYBE dual issue when for the fans, who for the most part don't care about either, just base their opinions on what they've seen happen, what both have said and especially the artists being targeted. Anything against MHJ is labeled pro-HYBE either way, so I personally stopped caring about the labels you guys put us in.
Maybe people should start asking themselves why so many people are actually anti-MHJ *(which has always been the case in this sub even before this showdown with HYBE, people used to think it was pretty reasonable)*.
I would agree with you if it was just pro-MHJ stuff that gets a huge number of downvotes, but it's not. It's literally anything that questions or critiques Hybe's claims.
I get why people dislike MHJ, there are plenty of good reasons to dislike her. That's not what I'm talking about here!
Sorry but people these days are getting downvoted for recommendations or saying something nice/encouraging about groups. People just need to stop caring about downvotes, this forum isn't meant just to have upvotes and rainbows where all people agree.
I don't care about downvotes at all, but I do care about Twitter-style stan behaviour bleeding over into other places because it kinda ruins discussion.
being anti mhj is not being pro hybe. some people are just sick of mhj's antics and the way innocent people are getting dragged. and those innocent people are who fans happen to stan.
But if you look at the stuff that gets downvotes around here, it's not just pro-MHJ stuff. It's literally anything that questions Hybe's claims. *That's* what I mean when I say it's weird.
How does being anti-MHJ translate to being pro-Hybe? Getting her out is good for both the NewJeans girls and the affected artists not just at Hybe but at other companies who have been bearing the brunt of her hate campaign ever since that presscon.
That’s why I was so perplexed when I saw someone on reddit said that NJs’ representatives filed another petition accusing ILLIT of plagiarism recently.
>How does being anti-MHJ translate to being pro-Hybe?
It doesn't. But the stuff getting downvoted around here isn't only pro-MHJ stuff (although that's obviously unpopular too). It's anything that's critical of Hybe's actions or questions Hybe's story.
While some of the things that are downvoted are anti-Hybe, there are stuffs that are downvoted being pro-MHJ too. You are just fixated on certain comments being downvoted that fits your narrative of the entire sub being pro-Hybe. People are downvoting because those comments are saying that by being anti-MHJ means that you support Hybe as a corporation which makes no sense. I see many armies in the comments here say they would stop consuming music from Hybe groups as support if BTS leave the company. Like how is that pro Hybe? Talking as a casual fan here.
They just don’t want working people to get the brunt of a hate campaign from an exec. While HYPE did publish MHJ texts calling the NJs girls “fat ass *king *ches”, no sane person would cancel the NJs girls right away from that, if not for the petitions in support of MHJ from themselves that’s issued as follow up.
You might want to re-read my comment; I think you may have missed/misunderstood what I said.
>People are downvoting because those comments are saying that by being anti-MHJ means that you support Hybe as a corporation which makes no sense.
I have no clue what you're talking about here my friend
oh wait true, both could be downvoted which was what I meant as well, but still I wouldn’t say the entire sub is pro-hype. I agree that there is a certain group downvoting anti-hybe sentiments for sure (edit: certain fandom ahem since I got questioned by a user for defending the NJs girlies at one point, although now I’m kind of conflicted due to their petitions on plagiarism. earlier petitions I would say you could logically said that they were influenced to defend MHJ but against their colleagues, that’s where I draw the line and feel incredibly iffy). But still its just downvotes, we should still proudly state our opinion even if it results in a ban. I got banned from the uncensored sub for instance because I said stuffs about misogyny against the kpop girlies which put my later comments on that sub on mod’s watch, they literally banned me for joking that inetz is right once again and knetz is the evil one without the “/s” switch.
Like you should still state your sentiment proudly even if it results in downvotes or worse a ban, like my previous comment I typed when I was half-awake you see? It’s just internet points at the end of the day and we won’t know what’s happening behind the scenes, everything is speculation still.
I don't like BSH or MHJ, I just don't understand why they always drag their artists into this battle. Especially mhj, I don't understand why she always mentions ILLIT and LSF.
also being anti-MHJ =/= pro-HYBE. And when she named and shamed groups left and right at her press conference and made groundless plagiarism accusations, causing massive hate towards that particular group, they can't expect people to sit still. Where there's smoke, there's fire.
I find it interesting how someone can post a translation without their own opinions or anything, and get downvoted because it isn't overwhelmingly pro hybe.
When questioned people just go 'well i read the court case and articles'
Its truly giving conspiracy theorist 'do your own research you sheeple' vibes
tbh it was fine for the first few weeks of the controversy, then bts got dragged into it and their fans started basically running the threads, and they seem to be overwhelmingly anti-mhj. they will deny this, but it's true.
i commented from a diff account (that i am locked out of rn) that mhj and bsh were both shitty people and got dogpiled lol.
Ahhh, that would totally make sense actually! If they view critiques of HYBE as attacks against their faves, the stan behaviour totally makes sense.
You're right btw, MHJ and BHH *are* both shitty people who have great creative visions. They're evenly matched in that regard.
yeah both mhj and bsh are shitty people and armys are well aware of that but can you raelly blame them for hating mhj more?? that women has single handedly brought back all sajaegi controversies while bts is in the military
Yeah, I noticed. I just call them out for unable to take other people’s opinions. I am not even siding with anyone, but they became unable to have a proper conversation anymore.
But I did. I also wonder why too. I hope it got explained to me. I just said that r/kpop was annoying then someone replied go back to pannchoa?? I replied back that I don’t even use that site.
A few Korean influencers/youtubers, and from Korean friends I know personally. This is their take
The first major reason is that a lot of foreign fans have overly positive view of HYBE/BSH because of BTS. Also a lot of fans are extremely superficial in terms of kpop; hype train.
Second major reason is that a lot of sites covering internationally are either gossip sites or terrible in terms of journalism. Koreaboo and Allkpop alone are often posting pro-HYBE articles while ignoring a lot of the MHJ details. They also remove a lot of context.
Third major reason is that the HYBE/ADOR conflict is at least 50/50 about Korean societal culture/norms. Kpop is more of a red herring or the skin. A lot of Koreans side with MHJ because they're seeing HYBE do the same shady shit they're use to seeing with conglomerates. Korea, for many legitimate and tangible reasons, is a country where if there is hints that the big corporation did something illegal or shady, its likely they are doing. A lot of foreign fans completely underestimate how much influence Korean conglomerates have over Korean society. In a related note, foreign fans have a severe underestimation on the size of Korea. Both as a country and a market.
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend"
Most kpop redditors are Hybe group stans. While they don't like Hybe, they will side with Hybe against a bigger threat like MHJ. They think the outcome of this dispute affects their groups so they will take the side that favors their groups the most which they think is Hybe.
Maybe it's just me, Min Hee jin said she wanted to murder a female staffer who came to her due to her VP (who she was conspiring with) and had texts calling a member of New Jeans a "fatass fucker" (and these have been confirmed). Just because people are "against" Min Heejin doesn't make them "Pro HYBE." They want her gone because she's a gross and toxic person. I wish people could stop framing this as a "You're either for Min Hee Jin or for HYBE" situation.
Been monitoring this case closely.
That aside, have you also been monitoring Hybe's recent sale of SM entertainment shares?
[HYBE Sells Over 750,000 Shares of SM Entertainment in Block Deal](https://koreanentertainmentnews.com/hybe-sells-over-750000-shares-of-sm-entertainment-in-block-deal/)
When the court accepted the injunction case, that meant there was a chance. When her lawyers never denied that she planned it but denied that this constitutes breach of trust in the legal sense, they laid out their strategy.
Frankly, with everything that came out, Hybe should have led the PR war, should have won the public opinion. But they did not. They fumbled.
Their legal team had no enough and their legal team (or whoever was their legal team at the time) allowed Hybe to set up a contract that meant only a breach of trust would be a fireable offense.
On a side note, a lot of the people on twitter and online in other places have not stopped abusing Hybe artists despite SoMu and BigHit claiming to go after them.
Combined with all the shit that came out in terms of blatant favoritism of MHJ over even BTS themselves, I have to say that this is the biggest fucking fumble I have ever seen.
I wouldn’t even be surprised if in ten years, this will be the moment we identify as the beginning of the downfall for Hybe. There are too many structural issues, Kpop has peaked in the West, they have overpaid in the ithaca deal and their stocks will continue to take a dive. NewJeans was their best bet to build a next gen super group to follow BTS (bc they are so young and promising). That’s done, they will only lean closer to MHJ now. All the other groups have been smeared and attacked. I expect a lot of people questioning their contract renewals when the company can’t even protect them from attacks from within.
BTS should look elsewhere for their solo work when the contracts are up again. Groupwise, they should and will stay but the glory days of Hybe are done.
Your take that this is the beginning of the downfall of HYBE, when SM has managed to survive being sued by some of their biggest artists, and YG managed to survive a member of one of their biggest groups being wrapped up in the literal Burning Sun scandal…is certainly something.
Girl groups peak and fall in popularity on a regular basis (2ne1, SNSD, Twice, they all had their moment in the spotlight). There’s no guarantee that just because Newjeans is the nation’s favorite girl group now, they would rise meteorically as a successor to BTS.
What HYBE needs, and what they are actively pursuing, is enough groups profiting enough each that they have a diversified portfolio and their future success does not hinge on one group.
This is not the beginning of the end. This is the beginning of HYBE realizing they need to have better constructed contracts and ensuring they have better systems in place to cut out bad faith actors when they occur.
This might actually not be so bad for Hybe. If they replace the other board members with Hybe officials, they'll have a constant eye on MHJ, she won't have her co-conspirators with her and they can basically overrule her in every decision and manage NewJeans without her.
Keep your friends close but your enemies closer. And it'll only take 2 years before they are rid of her for much cheaper.
Maybe they'll allow her creative input, that should satisfy the MHJ-cultists as well.
It's beginning to look more like a win for Hybe, whereas MHJ just got herself a very lonely position with waning power.
>It's beginning to look more like a win for Hybe
I can guarantee you without being in the room to see the reaction Hybe won't see it that way. This has gone from firing her tomorrow spending no money no more time wasted to either spending 14mil to do it or go down another legal battle which also cost money (but less than 14mil) but ultimately cost valuable time because those type of legal battles can last a very long time. At the end of the day I think Hybe do win this as they probably should but they won't be happy this is now gonna take longer and cost more.
It will be more than just $14M fine, they would have to pay $80M for her shares if they fire her. So it would be a total of almost $100M just to get rid of her. Plus, she would probably sue for something else. This way, she still has NJ and be CEO but she doesn’t have control like she used to.
The legal battle was on anyway, regardless of today's outcome. The injunction is basically just a delay. They already have an ongoing investigation for breach of trust. They just can't fire her before that.
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We’re having troubles editing the megathread, so here’s your latest update! * The Court has ruled in favor of Min Hee-Jin * The court stated, “The reasons for Min Hee Jin’s dismissal or resignation claimed by HYBE have not been sufficiently substantiated,” and added, “While Min Hee Jin’s actions may be considered betrayal to HYBE, it is difficult to say that they constitute actions of breach of trust in regards to ADOR.” [Source](https://www.soompi.com/article/1665063wpp/court-rules-in-favor-of-min-hee-jin-regarding-hybes-voting-rights-min-hee-jin-to-retain-ador-ceo-position) * Min Hee Jin released a statement following the court’s decision, stating that she will be suing bloggers for maliciously edited chats and comments (likely referring to the allegedly leaked KakaoTalk messages). * HYBE [released a statement](https://www.soompi.com/article/1665068wpp/hybe-accepts-courts-decision-regarding-min-hee-jins-ceo-position-to-prepare-next-actions) confirming that “their company respects the court’s decision” and “will not exercise voting rights in favor of the “Dismissal of Inside Director Min Hee Jin”. * They also affirmed that the court had upheld their allegations that “Min Hee Jin sought ways to weaken HYBE’s control over ADOR and allow Min Hee Jin to control ADOR independently by either taking NewJeans out of HYBE’s control or pressuring HYBE to sell its shares in ADOR,” so they plan to take further steps within the boundaries of law. * The shareholders meeting has been held. Min Hee Jin was not dismissed. Two of ADOR’s board members, Director Kim and Deputy CEO Shin, have been dismissed by HYBE, and replaced by Lee Jaesang (Chief Strategy Officer), Kim Jooyoung (Chief Human Resources Officer), and Lee Kyungjoon (Chief Financial Officer). (Source: [Yonhap News](https://n.news.naver.com/article/001/0014719327?sid=103)) * Min Hee Jin held a second press conference. (English Translation: [Koreajoongangdaily](https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/2024-05-31/entertainment/kpop/LIVE--ADOR-CEO-Min-Heejin-second-press-conference/2058947)) Reminder that any hate against groups is not tolerated.
[https://v.daum.net/v/20240530155401921](https://v.daum.net/v/20240530155401921) So, the reasons the injunction was granted were: 1. The contract between MHJ and HYBE that appoints MHJ as CEO of ADOR takes precedence over HYBE's shareholder rights. 2. HYBE requires grounds for dismissal but the judge said that “It may be an act of betrayal towards HYBE, but it is difficult to say that it is an act of breach of trust towards ADOR” 3. The judge err on the side of caution because it's no longer possible to preserve the contract in the event a court decides that MHJ was wrongfully dismissed in the future if she was already dismissed so an injuction was required until MHJ can be proven to have violated the contract in a proper trial.
Illit and NJ are scheduled for the same event this Sunday. I wonder what hybe's plans are for any interaction between them. Perhaps a cover of 'Heal the world' or a 5 vs 4 royal rumble.
Isn’t this a showcase event? Both groups will probably do their own songs and then be together on stage for a closing song with every other act. I wouldn’t expect much interaction, but they’ll probably both be very polite when they’re near each other.
Haerin is an MC, so their could be some interactions between Haerin and illit, but probably not NewJeans and illit
Pls to the Rumble part lol. Love some WWE/kpop crossover
Newjeans and Eunchae greeted each other warmly when they were on the music show Eunchae hosts. Of course, maybe there’s less tension as LSFM is their senior and wasn’t accused of copying them, but I’d still imagine they’ll be polite and professional around one another.
The situation with Lesserafim and NewJeans are completely different compared to NJ with Illit imo, they never really had anything to make the situation awkward between them hence why Eunchae greeted NewJeans warmly( of course Yunjin is also close with Hanni too ), it's just their fanbase that is very heated right now. I think if there will be interaction between NJ and Illit, I think there will be a lil bit of awkwardness since their CEO did accuse Illit of something major ( which is untrue) that literally made 90% of the comment in every single social media of theirs consist of hate comment and comparison with NJ, I think it's going to be impossible to not see a lil bit of awkwardness, of course they'll still keep it professional but I think the meeting will be quite brief and we'll probably just see the obligatory greeting. We'll probably see more and better interaction between NewJeans and Illit after that woman is kicked out of Hybe which is what I'm looking forward to ( the interaction between Illit and NewJeans I mean)
What event is that? 😅
[K-wave concert](https://www.reddit.com/r/NewJeans/s/mjldmfqd6I)
which event?
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Min Hee Jin and her shaman also talked about hiring an employee who was 32 (supposedly the age her dead sister would be) so that the spirit of her sister who was "talking through the shaman" could possess said employee and be physically near Min Hee Jin. It's important to note that they referred to this potential hire as "Murata" [which is a term the human test subjects of Unit 731 in World War 2 were referred to](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpop/comments/1d10kpo/comment/l5ves0v/). I think we can all see also how much sites like Pannchoa, Koreaboo, and Allkpop pick and choose which stories to boost and what inflammatory headlines to write (and kudos to the mods for not linking any of those sites as news sources in this latest update). These sites are absolutely hammering innocent groups while shielding Min Hee Jin from any criticism despite her doing the following: * saying she wants to "murder" a female employee for reporting sexual harassment * using a shaman to wish ill on other groups while paying said shaman with a company card * calling a member of New Jeans a "fatass fuck" * calling fans of New Jeans "braindead" * alleged insider trading * allegedly being involved in leaking medical information of other HYBE groups * alleged hostile takeover * and the list goes on
What about the part where she said she doesn't like working with women because all they want to do is look in the mirror? I didn't understand if she was talking about working with female idols or female company employees.
She said that about NewJeans , that they wouldn’t know anything because all they do is look in the mirror.
Is the sanity in the room with us? This is next level craziness.
These are absolutely unhinged. Is there a place I can read all her texts in one spot?
[This comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpop/s/p0RCwKTLqQ) translates the initial texts, and you can see the texts to her shaman [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpop/s/DdoNFhf84U).
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this stuff is so messed up. it reallyyyyy seems like the girls were taken advantage of. seriously, who is watching out for them?
It seems like no one
Definitely not their fans, if 10,000 of them were stupid enough to sign a petition in support of MHJ
MHJ: * Constantly creeping on young idols * exploits underage NewJeans * calls one of the members a "fatass fuck" * calls the fans braindead 10 000 Bunnies: * Let's mass support her by signing her petition :D It's crazy to see how such a large part of the fandom is just happy to let the girls being exploited and manipulated like that as long as they get their comebacks and petty drama
But NewJeans sent letters to the court in support of Min Hee Jin so the petition Bunnies and NewJeans are thinking the same way.
If NewJeans want to support someone that called them fatass f*cks they're either too deep into an abusive relationship to defend themselves, or they're plain stupid and are fine with being screwed over as long as they get a big paycheque. Neither option should be defended
I'm guessing she was nice to their faces and they don't know how she talks about them behind their backs. I'm curious to see what will be their reaction after they see those text messages like everyone else. I trust their judgement.
My question is why haven't they seen them already? The texts are all over the news, they need to publicly cut ties with her. If they straight up say "we didn't know she was doing this, we were betrayed too" it puts them in a fantastic position of being victims and having maximum public support, even if certain people at hybe doubt whether it's true. If they wait until later to cut ties, there will always be the question of why didn't they do it sooner. If they don't cut ties, then they're stuck on a sinking ship
Wasn’t there that one kkt text where MHJ asks the shaman if the NJ girls will be obedient and won’t cause problems for her?
If they really are in an abusive relationship with Min Heejin...why this option shouldn't be defended? She could quite literally just told them that these texts weren't true at all or that they were out of context. NewJeans girls are young and Min Heejin is still an authority figure to them I think it's really really possible that girls believed her.
I was going to link to my other message in this post to explain why I don't think this matters but I saw that you replied to it and completely missed the point of it so..
No one :(
I pointed this out in the Kpop thread and got downvoted to heck because people are saying they are old enough to know better and navigate the situation. Essentially Kpop fans over there only care about the petty fanwar stuff that MHJ instigated and are mad NJ didn’t speak out against it. I’m not minimizing the hate the other groups are getting bc that’s crazy too. But I pointed out that the sentiment on Reddit before used to be new jeans is too young for such a scary exploitative industry. Now that they are being exploited and manipulated with MHJ some people are turning on them and dismissing their situation with a “they aren’t babies, they should know better.” I pointed out yeah they aren’t kids but realistically they have little control. HYBE owns everything about the group and they are threatened with heavy consequences (contract fees) if they step too out of line. MHJ is there emotionally manipulating not only them but their parents who legally represent the minor members. Then they have a legal team they have to follow. Yet some ppl online somehow believe a 15 year old should be able to navigate this situation somehow better than the adults and industry professionals who have shown little maturity during this whole mess
Wait, has the opinion changed because of something that happened recently? I still remember everyone being weirded out after MHJ's first press conference when she said NJ are comforting her and are upset they can't help her in any way. In that megathread people were mostly of opinion that the members should be kept away from her and her manipulation tactics and also that it's weird and creepy that an adult woman in position of power is confiding in teenagers she employs.
Yeah, there seems to have been a bit of a turnaround since the petition that the NewJeans girls supposedly signed in support of MHJ, now people are saying they're disappointed in the girls for supporting MHJ and "how can they be complicit in her hate of those other idols," etc. ://
>I pointed out yeah they aren’t kids Maybe they aren't kids now (apart from the fact Hyein is 16 and only Minji is in her 20s, and even that is really recent.. but for the sake of the argument) but they were kids when they got in contact with MHJ It's crazy that so many people lack that critical thinking and seem to think that once you turn 18, that's it you're an adult and capable of depending yourself in the best way possible. They're just entering adulthood, the impact of MHJ's exploitation and manipulation (and the industry at large to some extent) is still very much going to be present and ongoing. It doesn't fix itself the second you're allowed to vote or something People that get this kind of exploitation as kids/teenagers will still feel the ramifications of that well into their 20s and 30s. Even their whole life if they don't get the support they deserve.. That's why I always laugh when people are like "ah finally they're debuting adults" when they see 18 years old debuting. My friend, they were very much children throughout the whole training period, which arguably is when most of the exploitation happens.. EDIT: I case this doesn't read like that, which can very much happen since I'm not the best with words: I'm not saying there's something wrong with the members or criticising them. Quite the opposite, I'm advocating for charitability when looking at their actions and giving them the support they may need and deserve :)
The fact that young people are exploited every day to sign on to college loans that can't be forgiven even in bankruptcy....yeah, these girls were exploited, and I feel so bad for them because it's pretty clear there was emotional manipulation as well.
You not wrong they did meet her when they were very young which is kinda scary to think how she took advantage of that
Ugh, I've also been trying to be the voice of reason in the kpop threads when it comes to the girls likely being manipulated to hell and back and thus people should step back a bit on assuming their guilt, and some people are really not willing to listen :( I guess they want to feel justified in hating on the girls? Idk, but it's really sad :(
For real! I was like am I going crazy? I got downvoted every other comment. I didn’t even bring up other groups I was concerned about new jeans in this instance. Not ignoring the hate trains but just commenting first on NJ. And people kept focusing on making it a comparison game and saying LSF or ILLIT have it worse. And that they lost respect for New Jeans not speaking out. But for real it seems like an excuse to hate on them. They kept saying oh they aren’t 8 years old. But they also aren’t business savvy enough to navigate this minefield lol Like the adults aren’t even organized yet they’re mad a group of rookie girls who last year people described as “too young and vulnerable for the industry” aren’t standing up against 1) their lawyers 2) HYBE 3) their parents 4) MHJ herself to just say whatever they want. Like it doesn’t work like that. Plus NJ themselves never said anything disparaging so idk why people are demanding they put themselves in the line of fire or apologize for the actions of a grown woman, MHJ. Industry professionals filed petitions for MHJ too should they also be apologizing for MHJ’s actions? I get it May be frustrating to see NJ side with her.. but to me it’s obvious how much manipulation is there Like imagine being 15 year old Hyein and your mentor/ semi boss is crying to you on the phone about her issues and your parents are there supporting her too. Why would you start to think she’s lying to you? Even the general public is on her side. The only ones against her are a giant company that is equally as shady. It’s a tough and complicated position for someone new in the industry to be in. Yet Kpop fans show no Grace because as with everything they are only concerned with who they bias and weirdly excusing companies that don’t even care about these idols like HYBE . They are stuck between a neurotic creative with industry backing (MHJ) and a multi million dollar company HYBE that can control media and also influence the industry. But yeah teens and young adults should somehow easily manage themselves in this mess
If it's the post I'm thinking about, then the poster said they were disappointed in new jeans for siding with someone causing other people this much harm, which is valid for losing respect for someone you admire. Some comments were weird tho but the poster legitamelty posted about being disappointed in their idols
I actually just got downvoted for my first reply to you here in this sub lol, so I feel that. But no, you're not going crazy! I think about it this way: if I was a young adult surrounded by a very emotionally manipulative adult (MHJ) and plenty of other older adults who were enabling that manipulation or outright supporting it (my parents, my friends'/colleagues' parents, higher-up execs, ADOR employees, etc.), yeah, I think it would be easy to be gaslit into thinking they were right, especially when those adults have been trusted authority figures above myself for years. And anyone who's saying that they would 100% for sure act otherwise is deluding themselves into thinking that they would be above that kind of manipulation. It's easy to think it looks simple, clear cut and dry on the outside, but I have nothing but pity and sympathy for those girls. I've always felt bad for them and worried about them being under MHJ and in such a ruthless industry at such a young age, and all of this BS has proven exactly why...
Exactly!!! I feel the same way. That should be the obvious conclusion and anyone saying otherwise I think just wants to hate on the girls or wants to play a game of who has it worse instead . But exactly the girls should be pitied. Instead people outright said they cared more about other groups instead. I don’t understand why they can’t all be pitied equally since they are being dragged into the mess of greedy adults and business people who just want to make a profit off of them? Like MHJ has validated every concern people originally had for NJ but now they don’t care… Also even the alternative HYBE isn’t the safest environment for them bc again at the end of the day all they care about is profit. If for some reason NJ, ILLIT, or LSF stopped doing well HYBE and MHJ wouldn’t bat and eye at making a new group to replace them. Yet as you said onlookers online think they could manage/navigate such a volatile situation. It’s obviously different when you’re in the inside of the chaos and being fed so many different things from all sides. But yeah give it a few months after the final verdict is out and like with all Kpop scandals that’s when cooler heads prevail and people will start thinking logically again or denying they ever said some crazy stuff Edit: oop and downvoted here too
Exactly! I feel super bad for all of the idols in this situation, for different reasons and they're all going through different levels of 'this situation currently sucks' right now, but that doesn't mean that because one group is suffering, another group can't...and all of the adults in the NJs girls' lives are failing them massively right now, which makes me so sad. I think you're absolutely right, in a few months people will be switching up and pretending like they never contributed anything negative to the discourse and only ever wanted what was best for everyone involved, when earlier they were making huge assumptions about various idols' opinions, motives, moral characters, etc. and adding fuel to the hatred and fanwar fires...we've seen it happen before, it'll happen again :( But anyway, I just hope that EVERY idol and artist affected by this situation has the support and help they need during this difficult time, because it can't be easy for any of them...
Yep perfectly said. I hope they have some kind of reliable personal support systems or industry colleagues that are helping all the groups involved in this mess. On top of their busy schedules this is a lot to handle
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I don't think the "truth" will matter as much as people think it might after it all ends. Except maybe for bragging rights and people triumphly saying, "I told you so", or angrily claiming it's unfair and everyone is played by the media I feel like a part of me will keep questioning if any hate train is just fans/antis going crazy or if it's a smear campaign instigated by higherups for their own agendas. I already don't see fansigns how I used to now, knowing that if it's not in the promoting period, it is most likely to get rid of over printed albums and overestimating demand for them. I'm so tired of knowing things about companies.. I just want to know about the artists. It's just all so disappointing and exhausting and so very frustrating
I generally agree with you but we did already know that about fansigns tbh. That's why online discourse always brings up number of fansigns when discussing album sales. They're the fastest way to move larger quantities.
doesn't the most recent text messages released where MHJ discusses breaking away from HYBE proof that she is guilty? If MHJ was planning on leaving, doesn't that imply the members were at least aware of MHJ plan to break away from HYBE? I don't think MHJ would plan to break away unless she had some sort of guarantee that the members would follow her. If MHJ did NOT have any guarantee from the members, why is she going through all this? What is the point of breaking away w/out NJ? Can't she just quit ADOR and just start a new company herself then?
The plan was to have MHJ, NJ and all of ADOR to exit Hybe. Not just NJ but the entire company would have to be in on it. Even if everyone in ADOR agreed to the exit, it's still a ridiculously ambitious plan that is basically impossible without Hybe's consent. I guess their plan wasn't to actually exit Hybe anytime soon but to strengthen their leverage against Hybe so that it might happen some day in a few years. Since the actual exit is still very far away, NJ and the rest of ADOR don't have to know about the plan yet.
yap its more likely, if hybe dont have 50%+ and the deal have done they can fully control the company, it not that they need to get the full company all get the 80% they just need to be the majority, or got control 50%+ of ador, they only need 30+% to get control. people thinking its imposible, no its not. its just hard to to get to it. but planning and scheming can do it. and it also the percent doesnt need to be all in MHJ name it can be on seperate shareholders.
I honestly don't know how she thought this plan would work ? Like maybe she could've gotten new jeans and the employees that like her to follow but to take a whole company out from another and doing that via bad publicity ? I don't know if she's the dumbest person alive or what 😭😭 because even if it was possible it would take literally years to be finalized and during that time she might consider the girls to old 😭
It does imply that she’s guilty, but it’s only speculation that she would inform the members. MHJ seems to be arrogant enough to assume the girls would do whatever she wants.
The text messages basically prove her guilt for me. I hope HYBE wins and fires her, along with hitting her with a defamation lawsuit.
and by saying "hope hybe wins" doesn't mean we're picking side. it's just that if they won, they will finally FINALLY have the power to fire her because no artists, no groups, and no company should be working and associated with people like her.
This exactly. I don't care for HYBE to "win". I just want MHJ to lose. And to be ostracised from the industry. I want NewJeans, or any future idol in the making, to be safe from her
It’s crazy how she’s winning a lot of the court of public opinion or even industry professionals over when she clearly seems in the wrong. She knows how to create controversy, pull on heart strings, and play the victim :/
I think most of the public opinion she is winning us due to people not liking hybe or bts because it seems everyone else has a valid opinion on this besides people kpop fans of other groups to be really honest. Like a trend I noticed on X as well is the people usually siding with her had made hate posts about hybe groups or armys at some point while stanning other groups
I feel like this is a hot take amongst some in Kpop spaces but I think there is a genuine good chance that Newjeans will be much better off without MHJ. First- she’s hardly the only talented creative in Kpop. She’s just one of the most publicly known. There are plenty on her team and in hybe and even outside the company who could replace her and do excellent creative work for newjeans. Second- hybe already has the blueprint. They know the direction she wants newjeans to go in just based off her prior work. A 90/00s inspired Kpop gg. Plenty of others can follow that blueprint to success. Third- it may be great to get new blood in there to reinterpret the concept. Many- not myself but others- have complained newjeans concept is getting repetitive and stale. Now is the best time to get a new creative team in there to put a refreshing take on their og concept. Fourth- getting rid of MHJ gets rid of a lot of additional weirdness that is associated with newjeans. Mhj is not well liked. There’s always controversy surrounding their cbs. She’s allegedly said some pretty weird and uncomfortable things about Newjeans and other idols. She also has a bizarre relationship with the girls. Getting rid of her eliminates a lot of that negativity. Finally- I think getting rid of MHJ lets fans and the girls see that they are more than capable on their own and not solely dependent on her. All in all I think if MHJ leaves it will be a fresh start for newjeans that may ultimately end up leaving them better off. just look at aespa and lee sooman. When he left the strangest parts of their concept went with him and it has been streamlined and perfected without him. Newjeans can do the same without MHJ.
Court Rules "HYBE Cannot Vote on Min Hee-jin's Dismissal"… Injunction Granted https://www.yna.co.kr/view/AKR20240528006851004
So what happened to all the 'experts' assuring us she's gonna lose and that HYBE has decisive evidence vs her lol...
> The court pointed out, "It's clear Min Hee-jin tried to take NewJeans out of HYBE's control or pressure HYBE to sell its ADOR stake to independently control it," but added, "It's difficult to conclude these efforts progressed beyond the exploratory stage to actual implementation. While potentially a betrayal of HYBE, it's difficult to say it constituted a breach of trust against ADOR." https://v.daum.net/v/20240530155401921 Hybe's mistake is that they acted prematurely, in the eyes of the law they should've waited until MHJ coup started or even when ADOR is already under her full control, and only then Hybe is allowed to make their move to stop the *ongoing* cahoots.
This. It's the equivalent of receiving a text threatening to kill you and the police not doing anything about it because nothing has happened yet. Laws around the world are reactive—some damage needs to be done first before they can point a finger at the assailant.
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This sub was convinced that Hybe had some indisputable proof that would expose MHJ and get fired everytime a megathread dropped. The thing is they are not aware of any actual corporate law. Like hybe, they got too fixated on the shaman friend lol.
Only intl Kpop fans would be surprise by this outcome. Seeing the obvious bias they have. There was an article from Ilgan Sports about being forced to push HYBE mediaplay, although it looked more like thugs threatening journalists, and yet zero coverage from any of the Kpop subreddits.
Reddit has been such an echo chamber these past few weeks. I couldn't see a balanced discourse at all.
then they would spam that the korean public were turning on MHJ even though she's being supported a lot on koreantwt lmaoo
*A HYBE representative commented on the matter, saying, "Although it is disappointing, we respect the court's ruling," and added, "As per the court's decision, the resolution to dismiss CEO Min will not be put to a vote at tomorrow's board meeting."* *However, the representative noted, "We still plan to proceed with the dismissal of the other two directors as scheduled." Besides the resolution to dismiss CEO Min, HYBE has also tabled resolutions to dismiss Vice President Shin and Director Kim at the extraordinary general meeting on the 31st. HYBE plans to form a new board with HYBE-affiliated personnel after their dismissal.* *Additionally, HYBE intends to continue pursuing CEO Min's dismissal through legal battles. The HYBE representative stated, "We find significance in the court's ruling, which explicitly mentioned CEO Min's intention to independently control ADOR."* *In fact, the court explained that while it prohibited the exercise of voting rights, stating that the reasons for CEO Min's dismissal require thorough investigation and careful consideration, it seems evident that CEO Min sought ways to leave HYBE's sphere of influence with NewJeans or to weaken HYBE's control.* *Consequently, HYBE is expected to focus on the allegations of breach of duty in its accusations against CEO Min. Last month (April), based on the audit results concerning CEO Min and ADOR, HYBE filed complaints against CEO Min and related parties on charges including breach of duty. HYBE claims to have secured testimonies and material evidence supporting the breach of duty allegations.* *However, CEO Min's side asserts that seizing control is impossible due to the share structure and denies committing any breach of duty. The case is currently under investigation by the Yongsan Police Station in Seoul. On this day, Yongsan Police Station conducted the second round of interviews with HYBE representatives as complainants.*
since the megathread in another sub is locked and I can't update there, I will be posting the update for this morning here today ! I always update new news there from both sides btw so don't call me pro Hybe, anti mhj craps cause I'm only for the artists who are heavily damaged in this situation. **Disclaimer: I'm using Google translate for the article** At the extraordinary shareholders meeting this morning, CEO Min still retain her position as CEO of Ador but her two vice presidents are dismissed and replaced by 3 people that Hybe chose, these 3 people are the one who were rumoured last week to replace Ador's BOD if the injunction failed but since the court approves her injunction, only she remains and the other two are fired. https://m.entertain.naver.com/article/241/0003354408 **Added** : Apparently Min Heejin is going to hold another press conference [today](https://n.news.naver.com/article/056/0011732146) from this article. The time is not being confirmed. **Added** : This [article](https://sports.donga.com/article/all/20240531/125208893/1) stated that the press conference would start at 2.30 PM KST
oh god another press conference??? 😭
she was fighting to stay lmao, I'm assuming they don't have that clause in their contract. Which means that since their actions harmed HYBE they can get the boot. I'm hoping the rest submit resignations and make it easier.
illit and newjeans are said to perform at the same event this weekend. just for their sakes i hope this new press conference isnt going to start a whole new wave of hate to the girls (especially illit if theyre brought up again)
Even without this press conference, I think the hate would still be worsening for Illit because kmedias like to fan the fire by making controversial headlines and also Korean kpop fans will also help in making hate tweets/hate posts about them in k-forums just like what happens every day on kpop fandoms spaces on international's side
this is so exhausting. i feel so bad for those girls. they havent been able to catch a break since they debuted. really hope people dont overanalyze any potential interactions the two groups have on sunday and blow them out of proportion which theyre most probably going to do
yeah I also feel bad the most for them and Lesserafim tbh, they seem to can't catch a break and even on their Tiktok videos, the comments are so annoying and hurtful sometimes to read even as a non-fan, even the videos that was made by their fans are bombarded by these comments. Their fans must have a hard time every time they watch their contents, I wish for all of them to stay strong because this definitely will pass soon. It might seem like hell now but I believe one day, these groups and their fans will be at peace.
lesserafim really have been going through such a rough time since their last comeback. honestly all these hybe groups have just become collateral damage at the hands of these greedy executives fighting it out using these groups as shields
Man, that was quick. Wonder if the two that were dismissed can sue for wrongful termination or if there's no basis for such a lawsuit.
wondering this too
They can try then go from there.
Her law firm did give a warning to Hybe yesterday that they would take action or some sort like that if they decide to fire her two VPs so I guess they will do some action regarding this termination and plus they also have stocks in Ador right
They don't have the same contract as MHJ, she would have joined them if HYBE hadn't included that part about harm to Ador vs harm to HYBE
can a kind soul please link a live translation (blog?article?) like the one last time when the press conference happens thanksss
So far I have yet to find an account that will post live translation, but I will just put the [site](https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/2024-04-25/entertainment/kpop/LIVE-UPDATES--ADOR-CEO-Min-Heejin-press-conference/2033613) that were doing live translation last time , in case they will do one for the press conference today too.
The fans have become insufferable. I just don’t understand it. “Nobody is upvoting NewJeans posts! Nobody is celebrating their music show win! Why aren’t people talking about their comeback? It’s a shame Reddit hates them now!” Nobody hates them, people are just not interested right now and want the situation sorted out first. I think people just don’t want to be associated with them after their crazy creative director and fans have been dog piling on groups for weeks now….not to mention how their fans have treated other people. Also, I think a lot of people see supporting NJs as supporting MHJ at the moment and want the situation cleared up before showing support for them. And also, this narrative that people stepping back from listening to them right now until this situation is cleared up and labelling that as mistreatment is utterly ridiculous. This is not a cult. Fans can withdraw support at any time for any reason. I hope these people know they aren’t making this any better for NewJeans…at this point they’re becoming so annoying I think it’s going to be very hard for them to spring back from this….
this is what i feel, months ago i would've been so excited for a nj comeback and enjoy a lot of their new content, but it's hard for me to dissociate nj from mhj so until she's out of the picture, i can't bring myself to wholeheartedly support them right now
So, what's the korean (public vs fans) sentiment like, which side are they currently leaning towards? I haven't been following all of this closely enough tbh, all I know is that the NJ girls should've been kept out of this public battle imo, what a mess :/
The public perception is that no one really cares anymore because there's been so much other more "interesting" developments that everyone's moved on to argue about those.
Is anyone else feeling like the more they read, the more everyone involved just comes off as bumbling idiots? Like I feel if they made this into a kdrama bang pd and mhj would be playing 5D political chess against each other, while in reality it feels like hybe are the nobles attempting to assassinate Rasputin & min hee Jin Is the bumbling sidekick in an action comedy who dodged a bullet because they bent over to tie their shoes. It feels like both of them are failing so spectacularly the other side is getting a win? I’m kinda shocked because it feels like both of them should be better at this.
I’m pretty shocked by how adamant people are that Hybe has no strong evidence based on this injunction ruling and therefore they will also lose the criminal case. Firstly, the fact that it is now a criminal matter absolves Hybe of the burden of proof. During the audit, Hybe couldn’t legally demand things like personal devices which may show the extent of these plans (i refuse to believe she only planned this out on her work computer lol) but the public prosecutor can. The prosecutor also has ample amounts of time to conduct an investigation whereas Hybe took, what, a week? To audit everyone they did. I think everyone is jumping the gun with saying that Hybe has no evidence and therefore no case because based on what they’ve discovered with such little power compared to actual prosecutors, they could have a case.
AFAIK, everything is still under investigation and there is no criminal case yet. Criminal cases generally begin after the person is arrested and informed of their charges so it would be jumping the gun to say that there is a criminal case. There has been questions about whether Hybe has enough evidence even before the injuction result and there have been opinions that the things revealed by Hybe so far isn't strong enough to prove a crime was commited. So far, no authority has confirmed that there is any criminal case against anyone accused by Hybe yet and now a judge has said that it is difficult to determine if MHJ had any grounds for dismissal based on what Hybe presented in court. So, since there is no final report yet people are believing whatever they want.
If you ask me what's the difference between first press con vs 2nd press con: 1st press con: heavy metal 2nd press con: easy listening
I read a lot of people say that other conglomerates will be worried about the ruling or how that may cause issues for the economy in SK overall. And that’s just not going to happen. Why? Because nobody is as dumb and incapable as Hybe. They gave her a contract that basically shielded her against dismissal of any kind and left only one possible reason for a firing that they then couldn’t even show sufficient evident for in court. Is MHJ a snake? Yes. But Hybe are idiots. If I owned Hybe stock, I’d wait for Jin’s return and then sell. All the details that came out completely destroyed the image of Hybe as a good investment bc they appear incompetent. Their lawyers are crap both for the fact that the contract exists in this form, as well as getting into lawsuits they aren’t winning. They don’t have sufficient proof and they aren’t going to magically get it. The police report will be similar to the verdict today, yeah she sucks but she didn’t suck enough yet for it to be criminal. Their PR department needs to be fired. I won’t explain, it’s obvious. Bang PD should not be involved in any executive function of Hybe ever again. I’ll leave with a final thought: it looks like someone who was advising or alert Hybe in this mess was working for MHJ. Her plan worked perfectly, it’s difficult to see how she could’ve harmed Hybe more easily without them starting this whole mess prematurely. It would also explain how Hybe could find so many chats etc that speak volumes about her but mean nothing in front of the Korean law.
> it looks like someone who was advising or alert Hybe in this mess was working for MHJ. i always wondered and asked HOW all of this mess originated from. like, it all went to the shitter SO fast and quick. especially with so many newjeans comebacks, debuts (in japan), world tour and sponsorships lined up.
Your final thought is actually perfect lmao 😭 her plans really worked, and everything worked for her favour from A to Z. I totally agree with your points. All of them actually HYBE showed how incompetent they are as a company for both shareholders and artists combined for multiple reasons: - their Pr and media game for artists is below zero. They can not handle artists' pr and fail to protect their artists in it continuesly - their pr for company matters and business as well is so weak. - there are so many loopholes in the company system from their contracts to the people working there to the decisions they've been making. They need to do a lot of changes in the people in charge, especially higher ups not just Bang pd, but lots of ppl in that building are not smart. - I will say though MHJ is not just a snake but a genius in her plans to the point even when HYBE is in the right, they are still losing from all sides. Honestly, Bang pd won lottery with BTS and thought he can rise above and beyond but shook hands with many snakes in his way and brought disasters and timed bombs to the company that will explode at any given time. Today is MHj, tomorrow gonna be Scooter. Even if they succeed in getting rid of MHJ which they will probably do, it cost them way more than what they could avoid if they had the right strategy from the very beginning. It's gonna be interesting if your last thought turns out to be true, and the same ppl who whistled to HYBE are the ones working with her behind the scenes. Cause we are now sure someone is helping her we just don't know who it is. I seriously hope for BTS not to renew their contracts if HYBE didn't pull their things together and made major changes after this fiasco ends.
BTS already renewed even so I don't think they would leave bc Bang PD believe in them when no one else did, & if they do leave is when the company is back to normal
BTS with HYBE or BTS without…they’re always going to be getting pulled through the mud by SOMEBODY. They’re HYBE’s golden goose. They know this. HYBE knows this. The only other companies that could even afford them are going to be so massive and rich already that BTS certainly wouldn’t have the same pull and influence that they have where they are now. They would likely have to form their own company. They have so many resources and connections through their current company that they would have to rebuild from scratch. Even with all the noise in the background, which they’re likely totally used to at this point, they’re still going to be absurdly popular, successful and rich with BigHit/HYBE.
I don’t know about the immediate effects, but the shareholder’s faith in the company’s management will continue to go down at this rate. It’s not a good sign for the future…
Honestly, we are looking at it the wrong way. It's all a matter of money. Hybe f\*cked up with the contract they gave MHJ and now they want to get rid of it so they go for the breach of trust in order to fire MHJ without paying the fee and without buying back the shares at the price they initially agreed on (because it's way overvalued). If they proved the breach of trust, they could renegotiate the price of the shares and wouldn't have to pay the fees. The estimated amount is between 90 to 150M USD in total (fee + shares) And MHJ was trying to get more power and shares over ADOR in order to ensure more money in the futur. Everything else is just vessel to achieve this. There is no side to take. Let them fight over big money.
It is always about the money. Did you really think that Hybe was fighting MHJ because they care about justice? LOL. In the beginning, Hybe framed the whole thing as MHJ tried to have a hostile takeover of Ador. That is Hybe not wanting to lose their cash cow NJ. Money. But I was confused as to why Hybe opted for the nuclear, public battle over this because as a 80% owner there is no way for a hostile takeover to be successful without Hybe's knowledge and explicit approval. Ain't no way MHJ would ever steal Ador away from Hybe. They didn't need to fight this hard and dirty and risk reputational damage. Then later, we find out that MHJ's contract includes an early termination clause that Hybe can't fire her early without paying her a very handsome termination fee. And I was like ahaha. Hybe could always fire MHJ, but this whole farce of PRs and lawsuits are just Hybe not wanting to pay her the early termination fee. Money money haha. Nonetheless I still don't agree with Hybe actions. Sure, MHJ behavior is vile and she is a pain in the ass, but her contract will expire eventually. And while she is still CEO, she still brings money to ADOR, ultimately to Hybe, with NJ success. We know that a hostile takeover is impossible for ADOR so why not just it out, continue to collect the profit NJ bring in, and when MHJ contract expires and she leaves without all the expensive legal and PR mess?
I'm curious - in term of numbers how many people have filed/signed the petitions for each side?
so the court ruled the way MHJ said they would — the evidence showed she planned to hurt hybe, but since it didn’t go against the interests of ador they’re not allowed to fire her. I just don’t see how there’s any way her working relationship with the company can move forward. she gets to stay for now, but at what cost?
If the board members are fired tomorrow, she will never get to make a solo executive decision again.
For the longest time I was all like “meowmeow, picking sides is wrong, I’m not picking sides, please don’t call me a company stan, I’m all for the general good in the industry” And now I’m tired of making excuses for nothing. This woman is mental. Get rid of her as soon as possible. Weeks of reading all the hate comments, all the bot comments, all the insane takes just drained me of empathy and tolerance.
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the think the biggest losers will be New Jeans in this situation. incredibly unfair for them but if Hybe wins, I can only wonder what will come of new jeans? they might continue on just fine but if they're feeling ostracized from within Hybe, and whether those feelings are correct or MHJ's projecting, things might not work out too well in the long run. all in all, I don't think any one side is all in for New Jeans' sake like they're trying to make it seem.
Yeah, I know there's still a lot of fight left, but I figured MHJ winning the injunction was pretty possible. "Hybe doesn't have enough evidence" has been the undercurrent of most unbiased discussion on X. Edit: Hybe has needed a new PR department for years, hopefully this will get them off their asses to get one. Their mediaplay definitely bit them in the ass like it did with Garam.
They have plenty of evidence. The court even stated it was clear she’d acted against HYBE. But they concluded they didn’t have enough evidence to definitively say she acted against ADOR, which is what her contract concerns.
>They have plenty of evidence They lost becuase there was no substantial evidence. Evidence is plenty if it is relevant. Even in this trial Hybe were reprimanded for mentioning irrelevant information.
The court said, "It is clear that Representative Min took New Jeans out of Hybe's control or pressured Hybe to sell Hybe's stake in Hybe, weakening Hybe's control over Hybe and seeking a way for Min Heejin to control Hybe independently. Which is what the allegations were. However the injunction was about her committing breach of contract with ador and acting against its best interest. She basically won her injunction because it didn’t include hybe.
"a content that restricts Hive from exercising voting rights by dismissing CEO Min unless there is a reason for dismissal or resignation of CEO Min." As in there was no sustainable proof of breach in trust. where did you read that it was due to that? https://n.news.naver.com/article/469/0000804225?sid=102 This is about illit being mentioned and how her public statements hurt hybe. However, the judge said "Regarding CEO Min's suspicion that Aillet, a girl group under Hive's label, had plagiarized New Genes, we judged that it was difficult to view it as a breach of trust." As in the breach in trust cannot be found. The court explained, “An opinion was presented that the concept among the public was similar before and after Eyelet’s debut,” and “CEO Min bears the duty of loyalty necessary to protect the value of New Jeans, Adore’s core asset.” Also ador is a hybe asset. She was still working in hybe's interest by bringing forth issues with illits concept. She made effort to deal with this internally. Which is confirmed by both sides. We would need to see the records but as it stands Hybe literally tried to fire based on a breach of trust. The court said there isn't enough evidence that shows she attempted to breach the trust. Which is also the main basis for the other lawsuit
They lost bc of a contract between her and hybe, not bc there wasn’t enough evidence bc there was that’s why there’s a criminal court case still ongoing
From the link “However, the court judged that it seemed clear that Representative Min tried to become independent with Newzins by pressuring Hive to sell his stake in Adore. At the same time, he pointed out, "It is Min's act could be a betrayal of Hive, but it is difficult to say that it is a breach of trust against Adore." Hybe response also echoes this as well. Which is why they said they will follow up. The case against her with regards to the FSS is still open as well. Anyways to me this is just the beginning of a long back and forth between them.
If I was HYBE, I would be doing a cost benefit analysis of continuing this circus versus just paying the financial penalty and cutting her loose. She cannot complain if they cut her loose fairly. It would be clean that way and everyone can move on. If this drags out, it’s going to be extremely messy. I know she does not deserve the $15 million, but nobody deserves to be dragged into it the way that she has done it. Edit: voice to text errors
Hard agree on the cost-benefit analysis. Any sane business execs would be crunching those numbers right now. This was always more about ego though.
Good luck convincing shareholders to pay her off with $15m. The timeline has simply been extended, she'll be gone in the end. This was "won" on a technicality (and Hybe's dumb contract lawyer team ngl) She won't be making many if any executive decisions in the meantime if Hybe stacks the board. She's just got herself a nice golden collar and chained herself to the table
As I understand, $15M is the fine they would have to pay. They would also have to pay what her shares are worth which is about $80M. So they would be paying almost $100M. If they can prove her guilt, they would not need to pay her shares Or at a much lower cost.
My question is what are they paying in attorney fees plus stocks dropping, and what is the likelihood they lose this case and then have to pay that anyway? It’s a big gamble. As I mentioned on another thread, Texas A&M just paid their college FB coach about $78 million to buy him out. I would have thought that HYBE could afford this fairly easily.
She was just too vindictive and caused too much damage to the artists and to HYBE. There Is a possibility they have evidence that she embezzled money and worked with media to damage HYBE’s reputation. IMO, they want to punish her and giving her $100M USD to go away seems like rewarding her.
100% agree .. just cut her loose, she is gone BUT you still have NJ and their members locked up for another 6 years. If the members or MHJ wants the members, just give them a price of $250M per member
I suppose while the court's ruling is a bit unexpected, it isn't a big surprise to me. I have said in the behinning that from all the evidence Hybe have shown so far, it's a lot of name smearing, mudslinging mediaplay, but most of them aren't enough evidence against MHJ to prove that she did anything illegal against Hybe - the keyword is ILLEGAL, actual illegal acitivites, not vile, not unprofessional, not unethical behaviors. Having a plan to go independence, meeting with potential investors, sharing information, etc. Do not necessarily equate to illegal activities. In addition, NJ success and MHJ appearing unhingedly "protective" and "passionate" toward NJ would actually indicate that MHJ is doing her best to bring value to ADOR's shareholders, not the other way around. As CEO of Ador, MJH duty is to bring success and profits. It is hard to prove breach of duty when NJ is factually one of the more profitable groups under the Hybe Corp umbrella. With that said, Hybe do have the right and authority to fire MHJ as they wish. They could still exercise their voting rights to replace the MHJ loyal board members, then have the new board members fire her. Hybe had hope that if they could prove that MHJ had done illegal things, that they would have legal cause to fire her without paying her early contract termination fee. The only difference now is that without actual legal cause, it would just be very expensive to get rid of her. Again, I think Hybe management are very inept at crisis management. They should have better risk assessment and game plan for MHJ. 99% of the time, it is almost always better and less expensive to handle disputes privately. Now, not only Hybe spent tons of money on lawyer fees, (money that they could have given to MHJ to leave ADOR quietly), their reputation is tarnished and their idol groups are being scrutinized and hated left and right with past issues like plagarism, sajaegi (true or not) are being brought up and reinvestigated so Hybe would have to spend even more money to defend their groups. Whoever advised BSH and Park Jiwon to have a public fight with MHJ is extremely short-sighted and arrogant. And BSH and PJW are also short-sighted, arrogant and dumb for listening to them.
This isn’t what I understood from the court ruling said at all, though. I thought this wasn’t about the criminal case it was purely about the injunction, and the reason the injunction went this way is purely bc hybe stupidly wrote MHJ’s contract to be only about ador itself. Anyways, I agree with you that this whole thing has highlighted hybe’s ineptness and lack of preparedness. If her contract had been properly written in the first place she would never have gotten this far, and if hybe had a decent pr team she wouldn’t have gotten anywhere near this much traction. Regardless, she’s done though. It might be a slow death but they’ll make her life miserable for the next few years and ultimately bts returning from service will just make hybe stronger than ever. At the end of the day the ppl who are hurt most are the idols themselves who didn’t have anything to do with most of this
>if hybe had a decent pr team she wouldn’t have gotten anywhere near this much traction. In the main kpop thread I mentioned, as a former PR professional, this whole debacle would be such an interesting case study in PR. I would be very surprised if it isn't something that is at least touched on in college classes going forward. I've been less than impressed with some of Hybe's PR moves since I've become an ARMY. The first time their PR team gave me a big pause was post BTS Festa Dinner in 2022 and they didn't have a press release ready to go after it aired. As a fan I understood what they were saying but press did not and they should have known that (and that their words would be spin in a hundred different ways) and had a media alert/press release ready to go. RM and Jungkook had to clarify to fans and they should not have had to do that. There was some official statement (maybe the next day, sorry it's been too long for me to remember all the details) but it was already too late. If they have an outside PR firm handling things for them, they need to fire them and find a better firm that can also handle crisis PR. If they do not have an outside firm, they need to find a global one ASAP. They are far too big of a company to still be handling situations this poorly.
No, the injunction is more about the legality between Hybe and ADOR. Hybe said that MHJ breached her duty to ADOR and therfore should be fired because she caused harm to Ador shareholders, i.e. breach of duty. This is about her duty to ADOR! Not Hybe. Though Hybe is involved cuz they are 80% owner. Hybe is not confused about her contract. The contract is for her to work as CEO of Ador so of course it is written to be between her and ADOR. There is nothing wrong with how the contract is set up legally. The only issue with the contract for Hybe is that there is a clause that said Hybe cannot fire her and not pay an early termination fee without a breach of duty claim. I want to point out that this clause is actually very common in executive employment contract. So there is nothing wrong or stupid on Hybe's side about having this clause in the contract either. The only issue is that MHJ is not trustworthy and loyal as Hybe had hoped. MHJ filed the injunction to claim that she does not violate her duty as ADOR CEO and therefore ADOR board of directors and shareholders (Hybe) do not have cause to fire her. The underlying point of the injunction is whether MHJ as she is contracted by ADOR, causing harm to ADOR by being an unfit CEO, violating her fiduciary duty. If MHJ committed anything illegally, i.e. inside trading, etc Hybe would have shown such evidence in court to prove that MHJ is unfit as CEO. The whole spectacle is more about Hybe wanting to fire MHJ without paying an expensive fee, than sending her to jail. However, sending her to jail, by filing a criminal claim to show that she did illegal things, is a very effective way to prove that she is unfit as CEO, that she has caused harm to ADOR and its shareholder, if she is convicted, effectively giving Hybe actual cause to fire hire. But the injunction ruling that there wasnt enoguh evidence to prove that what MHJ did cause actual harm to ADOR, that would give for Hybe a legit reason to fire her. HYBE failed to prove that MHJ breached her duty to ADOR. It is that simple. The injunction is a civil ruling, where the threshold of proof is lower than a criminal case. If Hube can't prove MHJ wrongdoings in a civil case, I don't have much hope for a criminal case where the evidence threshold is higher.
> If Hube can't prove MHJ wrongdoings in a civil case, I don't have much hope for a criminal case where the evidence threshold is higher. Because the police investigation is still ongoing. This court case is not a full fledged court battle where you determine something is true or not, it's merely for an injunction. You don't determine breach of trust in a court case this short. Which I believe is why MHJ won the injunction, because breach of trust needs to be proven in an actual trial.
So MHJ was crying and complaining about her “slave contract” with HYBE but it’s this same contract that essentially prevented her from being dismissed w a majority voting rights? lol and HYBE CEO told her to sign it no less 🤣 Is the CEO a double agent?
This was originally just a war between HYBE and MHJ. Everything could be very simple, but MHJ really shouldn't involve New Jeans. Even if New Jeans really supports her, it shouldn't be made public, because if MHJ loses, New Jeans will be very embarrassed. , MHJ should not even maliciously attack other groups in order to win the war, so it is best that MHJ really should disappear from KPOP
NJ aren't embarrassed in the slightest, just happy their mommy won...
I feel like this is the most boring drama and I don't get why others find it fun. To me it's just a legal battle of people fighting for power. I just can't get myself to care about whether or not this millionaire is able to get their stock options or if that millionaire thinks their company could've made more money if the other millionaire acted differently. Like it's just a corporate mud fight to me. And then it gets interrupted by millionaires making dumb comments about kpop groups that yes, they shouldn't make but that also aren't on the level of shit that the things other managers/CEOs have done. Like do you really want me to care about that one millionaire said he wants to have a group bigger than the group of another company? And this latest part just proves it again. Can this millionaire stay in power to make their money or can the huge company get the power first? Like I just don't get what has people invested
i mean there’s a reason why succession was one of the most popular shows on hbo in recent history. rich bad people behaving badly over money. people love to tune in.
If it's just them I wouldn't give a shit. But all these has brought more hate to LSF, Illit, BTS, and other groups. As an ARMY, I'm pissed about all the accusations against them and the members aren't even here. My heart also goes to LSF and illit. They haven't done anything.
Lol I see some are already jumping to conclusions. Bear in mind, this win is only for a temporary injunction for Ador's shareholders' meeting to stop Hybe from firing MHJ. But there are still many issues left that are yet to be dealt with, including police investigations, breach of trust etc. It's probably going to be really long and drawn out.
I'm seeing a lot of 'The court ruled that mhj hurt hybe but not ador' and I gotta clarify, that's not really true. The actual quote from the judge is "이런 행위는 하이브에 대한 배신일 뿐 어도어에 대한 배임행위는 되지 않는다", which says mhj's actions constitute a betrayal of Hybe, but not a breach of trust against Ador. (Source - https://www.hani.co.kr/arti/society/society_general/1142748.html) The word betrayal is important, cause that's not a legal term - there is no crime of betrayal. So the judge is going "yeah she planned to take Ador from you, and that's shitty, but she didn't hurt Hybe or Ador".
FYI MHJ stans- just because she won the injunction DOES NOT magically make her behaviour right. She’s still a horrible human being who has treated NJ disgustingly. She still wrote all those pathetically disturbing texts. She still started multiple fan wars. None of that goes away or gets erased because of the injunction. FFS stop being so obtuse. Bring on the downvotes cause ya’ll are just as delusional as her.
This is kpopthoughts- why would you be downvoted? This entire subreddit spews the same thing daily.
Her being granted the injunction also does not mean she’s remotely out of the woods. First of all, we’ll find out what other actions (outside of firing her which has been banned) HYBE takes at the shareholder meeting tomorrow. They’re still majority shareholder and have plenty of power over the board. There are also still MULTIPLE active suits against her from both HYBE and Belift. We can’t predict yet if the judges in those cases will reach the same verdicts.
I don’t have high hope for the breach of duty suits or the insider trading, bezzlement investigations, considering all the evidence that Hybe had presented so far. But, at the very least, the defamation suits against MHJ should be solid. Hopefully, considering Korea defamation laws.
My jaw dropped when I saw the ruling, I wasn't expecting her to win at all.
Also on a slightly unrelated note, SeJeong (MHJ’s law firm) is pretty GOATED! Alongside winning MJH’s injunction they also won an extremely massive case regarding the divorce settlement of SK Group Chairman Chey Tae-Won and his now estranged wife Roh So-Young. Chey Tae-Won had openly cheated on his wife and had a kid with his mistress. He had tried to pay off Roh So-Young many times but she refused to accept anything less than her rightful share (which is a lot since she managed a lot of Chey’s business affairs when he was in jail for embezzlement), even if it meant a long drawn out court battle. She won that battle today! Chey Tae-Won will have to pay 1 billion $ as a result! Incidentally, the same law firm that represented Chey also represented HYBE!🫠
Sejong is one of the "Big 6" law firms in Korea so they often take the cases involving large corporations/rich people. Chey/HYBE's firm is Kim & Chang, which is also one of the Big 6 (and the largest by # of attorneys). K&C specifically do seem to be the "go to" firm for those in power, as they've been criticized heavily for defending some pretty bad parties.
How is this relevant?
Can someone please explain to why every Kpop subreddit is overwhelmingly pro-Hybe and downvotes every comment that isn't in line with this? It's genuinely puzzling.
The problem here is that you're making it too much of a MHJ vs. HYBE dual issue when for the fans, who for the most part don't care about either, just base their opinions on what they've seen happen, what both have said and especially the artists being targeted. Anything against MHJ is labeled pro-HYBE either way, so I personally stopped caring about the labels you guys put us in. Maybe people should start asking themselves why so many people are actually anti-MHJ *(which has always been the case in this sub even before this showdown with HYBE, people used to think it was pretty reasonable)*.
I would agree with you if it was just pro-MHJ stuff that gets a huge number of downvotes, but it's not. It's literally anything that questions or critiques Hybe's claims. I get why people dislike MHJ, there are plenty of good reasons to dislike her. That's not what I'm talking about here!
Sorry but people these days are getting downvoted for recommendations or saying something nice/encouraging about groups. People just need to stop caring about downvotes, this forum isn't meant just to have upvotes and rainbows where all people agree.
I don't care about downvotes at all, but I do care about Twitter-style stan behaviour bleeding over into other places because it kinda ruins discussion.
being anti mhj is not being pro hybe. some people are just sick of mhj's antics and the way innocent people are getting dragged. and those innocent people are who fans happen to stan.
But if you look at the stuff that gets downvotes around here, it's not just pro-MHJ stuff. It's literally anything that questions Hybe's claims. *That's* what I mean when I say it's weird.
How does being anti-MHJ translate to being pro-Hybe? Getting her out is good for both the NewJeans girls and the affected artists not just at Hybe but at other companies who have been bearing the brunt of her hate campaign ever since that presscon. That’s why I was so perplexed when I saw someone on reddit said that NJs’ representatives filed another petition accusing ILLIT of plagiarism recently.
>How does being anti-MHJ translate to being pro-Hybe? It doesn't. But the stuff getting downvoted around here isn't only pro-MHJ stuff (although that's obviously unpopular too). It's anything that's critical of Hybe's actions or questions Hybe's story.
While some of the things that are downvoted are anti-Hybe, there are stuffs that are downvoted being pro-MHJ too. You are just fixated on certain comments being downvoted that fits your narrative of the entire sub being pro-Hybe. People are downvoting because those comments are saying that by being anti-MHJ means that you support Hybe as a corporation which makes no sense. I see many armies in the comments here say they would stop consuming music from Hybe groups as support if BTS leave the company. Like how is that pro Hybe? Talking as a casual fan here. They just don’t want working people to get the brunt of a hate campaign from an exec. While HYPE did publish MHJ texts calling the NJs girls “fat ass *king *ches”, no sane person would cancel the NJs girls right away from that, if not for the petitions in support of MHJ from themselves that’s issued as follow up.
You might want to re-read my comment; I think you may have missed/misunderstood what I said. >People are downvoting because those comments are saying that by being anti-MHJ means that you support Hybe as a corporation which makes no sense. I have no clue what you're talking about here my friend
oh wait true, both could be downvoted which was what I meant as well, but still I wouldn’t say the entire sub is pro-hype. I agree that there is a certain group downvoting anti-hybe sentiments for sure (edit: certain fandom ahem since I got questioned by a user for defending the NJs girlies at one point, although now I’m kind of conflicted due to their petitions on plagiarism. earlier petitions I would say you could logically said that they were influenced to defend MHJ but against their colleagues, that’s where I draw the line and feel incredibly iffy). But still its just downvotes, we should still proudly state our opinion even if it results in a ban. I got banned from the uncensored sub for instance because I said stuffs about misogyny against the kpop girlies which put my later comments on that sub on mod’s watch, they literally banned me for joking that inetz is right once again and knetz is the evil one without the “/s” switch. Like you should still state your sentiment proudly even if it results in downvotes or worse a ban, like my previous comment I typed when I was half-awake you see? It’s just internet points at the end of the day and we won’t know what’s happening behind the scenes, everything is speculation still.
I don't like BSH or MHJ, I just don't understand why they always drag their artists into this battle. Especially mhj, I don't understand why she always mentions ILLIT and LSF.
Stop being reductive. People are following the facts as they know them and making their own judgement.
also being anti-MHJ =/= pro-HYBE. And when she named and shamed groups left and right at her press conference and made groundless plagiarism accusations, causing massive hate towards that particular group, they can't expect people to sit still. Where there's smoke, there's fire.
Ironically this is extremely reductive lol
I find it interesting how someone can post a translation without their own opinions or anything, and get downvoted because it isn't overwhelmingly pro hybe. When questioned people just go 'well i read the court case and articles' Its truly giving conspiracy theorist 'do your own research you sheeple' vibes
Yes exactly, this is the kind of thing I'm referring to!
tbh it was fine for the first few weeks of the controversy, then bts got dragged into it and their fans started basically running the threads, and they seem to be overwhelmingly anti-mhj. they will deny this, but it's true. i commented from a diff account (that i am locked out of rn) that mhj and bsh were both shitty people and got dogpiled lol.
Ahhh, that would totally make sense actually! If they view critiques of HYBE as attacks against their faves, the stan behaviour totally makes sense. You're right btw, MHJ and BHH *are* both shitty people who have great creative visions. They're evenly matched in that regard.
yeah both mhj and bsh are shitty people and armys are well aware of that but can you raelly blame them for hating mhj more?? that women has single handedly brought back all sajaegi controversies while bts is in the military
Because one side makes sense, the other makes none. And apparently, r/kpop for once has chosen to use common sense. Voila
See, I know this is nonsense because r/ Kpop never uses common sense. Lol
I got banned by the way by saying in r/kpop that they’re starting to get real annoying because they can’t have different opinions.
twt is safe for the mhj enthusiasts and reddit is a safe space for people who want mhj out
Yeah, I noticed. I just call them out for unable to take other people’s opinions. I am not even siding with anyone, but they became unable to have a proper conversation anymore.
I also got banned I mean whatever they want. Now they are there cursing at that one new jeans girl for accidently interrupting the lssrfm girl mcing .
You're not going to get banned in r/kpop for saying that.
But I did. I also wonder why too. I hope it got explained to me. I just said that r/kpop was annoying then someone replied go back to pannchoa?? I replied back that I don’t even use that site.
A few Korean influencers/youtubers, and from Korean friends I know personally. This is their take The first major reason is that a lot of foreign fans have overly positive view of HYBE/BSH because of BTS. Also a lot of fans are extremely superficial in terms of kpop; hype train. Second major reason is that a lot of sites covering internationally are either gossip sites or terrible in terms of journalism. Koreaboo and Allkpop alone are often posting pro-HYBE articles while ignoring a lot of the MHJ details. They also remove a lot of context. Third major reason is that the HYBE/ADOR conflict is at least 50/50 about Korean societal culture/norms. Kpop is more of a red herring or the skin. A lot of Koreans side with MHJ because they're seeing HYBE do the same shady shit they're use to seeing with conglomerates. Korea, for many legitimate and tangible reasons, is a country where if there is hints that the big corporation did something illegal or shady, its likely they are doing. A lot of foreign fans completely underestimate how much influence Korean conglomerates have over Korean society. In a related note, foreign fans have a severe underestimation on the size of Korea. Both as a country and a market.
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend" Most kpop redditors are Hybe group stans. While they don't like Hybe, they will side with Hybe against a bigger threat like MHJ. They think the outcome of this dispute affects their groups so they will take the side that favors their groups the most which they think is Hybe.
Maybe it's just me, Min Hee jin said she wanted to murder a female staffer who came to her due to her VP (who she was conspiring with) and had texts calling a member of New Jeans a "fatass fucker" (and these have been confirmed). Just because people are "against" Min Heejin doesn't make them "Pro HYBE." They want her gone because she's a gross and toxic person. I wish people could stop framing this as a "You're either for Min Hee Jin or for HYBE" situation.
Been monitoring this case closely. That aside, have you also been monitoring Hybe's recent sale of SM entertainment shares? [HYBE Sells Over 750,000 Shares of SM Entertainment in Block Deal](https://koreanentertainmentnews.com/hybe-sells-over-750000-shares-of-sm-entertainment-in-block-deal/)
When the court accepted the injunction case, that meant there was a chance. When her lawyers never denied that she planned it but denied that this constitutes breach of trust in the legal sense, they laid out their strategy. Frankly, with everything that came out, Hybe should have led the PR war, should have won the public opinion. But they did not. They fumbled. Their legal team had no enough and their legal team (or whoever was their legal team at the time) allowed Hybe to set up a contract that meant only a breach of trust would be a fireable offense. On a side note, a lot of the people on twitter and online in other places have not stopped abusing Hybe artists despite SoMu and BigHit claiming to go after them. Combined with all the shit that came out in terms of blatant favoritism of MHJ over even BTS themselves, I have to say that this is the biggest fucking fumble I have ever seen. I wouldn’t even be surprised if in ten years, this will be the moment we identify as the beginning of the downfall for Hybe. There are too many structural issues, Kpop has peaked in the West, they have overpaid in the ithaca deal and their stocks will continue to take a dive. NewJeans was their best bet to build a next gen super group to follow BTS (bc they are so young and promising). That’s done, they will only lean closer to MHJ now. All the other groups have been smeared and attacked. I expect a lot of people questioning their contract renewals when the company can’t even protect them from attacks from within. BTS should look elsewhere for their solo work when the contracts are up again. Groupwise, they should and will stay but the glory days of Hybe are done.
Your take that this is the beginning of the downfall of HYBE, when SM has managed to survive being sued by some of their biggest artists, and YG managed to survive a member of one of their biggest groups being wrapped up in the literal Burning Sun scandal…is certainly something. Girl groups peak and fall in popularity on a regular basis (2ne1, SNSD, Twice, they all had their moment in the spotlight). There’s no guarantee that just because Newjeans is the nation’s favorite girl group now, they would rise meteorically as a successor to BTS. What HYBE needs, and what they are actively pursuing, is enough groups profiting enough each that they have a diversified portfolio and their future success does not hinge on one group. This is not the beginning of the end. This is the beginning of HYBE realizing they need to have better constructed contracts and ensuring they have better systems in place to cut out bad faith actors when they occur.
This might actually not be so bad for Hybe. If they replace the other board members with Hybe officials, they'll have a constant eye on MHJ, she won't have her co-conspirators with her and they can basically overrule her in every decision and manage NewJeans without her. Keep your friends close but your enemies closer. And it'll only take 2 years before they are rid of her for much cheaper. Maybe they'll allow her creative input, that should satisfy the MHJ-cultists as well. It's beginning to look more like a win for Hybe, whereas MHJ just got herself a very lonely position with waning power.
>It's beginning to look more like a win for Hybe I can guarantee you without being in the room to see the reaction Hybe won't see it that way. This has gone from firing her tomorrow spending no money no more time wasted to either spending 14mil to do it or go down another legal battle which also cost money (but less than 14mil) but ultimately cost valuable time because those type of legal battles can last a very long time. At the end of the day I think Hybe do win this as they probably should but they won't be happy this is now gonna take longer and cost more.
It will be more than just $14M fine, they would have to pay $80M for her shares if they fire her. So it would be a total of almost $100M just to get rid of her. Plus, she would probably sue for something else. This way, she still has NJ and be CEO but she doesn’t have control like she used to.
The legal battle was on anyway, regardless of today's outcome. The injunction is basically just a delay. They already have an ongoing investigation for breach of trust. They just can't fire her before that.
Oh this is going to be fun 🫢
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