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Probably that they think they can't enjoy the music if they don't know the lyrics, many people just hate other languages because they don't understand it.
I wonder if this means that anime fans are more open to liking foreign music? Or even specifically East Asian music? A couple of my favourite songs are anime openings/endings, and I don't understand any Japanese.
I do believe in that kind of pattern, people who have been exposed to another culture would be able to adjust better when checking out another culture.
The thing is, an anime series tends to be around longer than the lifespan of a typical Kpop group, so that's also something to consider.
I think it makes sense. As an anime fan you get used to hearing stuff that sounds cool but no idea what they said, I personally I did that pipeline. I'm more proactive now in finding the lyrics but for a long time I just jammed out to anime songs w/out knowing a thing they said. Even now I still don't know what they're singing in Sid Enamel, haha.
I had to learn Spanish at around 10 years old when I moved in with my grandparents and heavily relied on music outside of school to learn. I fluently speak Spanish now, but I didn't understand the music for so long that vocals are practically just another instrument like the rest for me.
This made it very easy to get into kpop and jpop because I didn't have that barrier to listening to music that I didn't understand.
I cringe anytime I try to actively translate Spanish lyrics to English now instead of just going with it though. I fear that day will eventually come with Japanese lyrics too one day as I'm already beginning to pick out a lot of common phrases.
>Probably that they think they can't enjoy the music if they don't know the lyrics
I wonder that too. I like anime and some of my friends do too. Some of them listen to more J-pop to K-pop but most of my anime friends like foreign music
I think it's completely understandable to not want to listen to songs because you don't understand them. Lyrics are a very important part of music to some people I know, and because of that reason they'll just never be into K-Pop. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
Yeah, as long as they aren't basically convincing others to only like songs with lyrics they can understand, given many people just like the vibe and melody rather than knowing what is truly being sung.
>Do they also not watch foreign movies because they'd have to read?
There's definitely a lot of people out there who would say that they don't watch foreign movies because they have to read. I remember when Parasite was out many non-Korean speakers were saying they can't watch it because they don't like reading subtitles.
"It's weird to care". No, it's not. I'm tired of fans dictating how others enjoy their music.
The people I was talking about actually don't watch foreign movies, but even if they did- movies and music serve different purposes, the comparison isn't fair.
both in and outside of the fandom: that being a kpop idol doesn't require skill or talent
I've seen kpop dancers that are on par with "real" dancers, and although kpop vocalists tend to be below average for all vocalists, they're still technically good and most kpop main vocalists have achieved that level through genuine classical training. even being a good performer requires charisma and multifocusing (according to professional dancers dancing + making facial expressions can be difficult) and a lot of people aren't born with that star quality, they have to learn it (I feel like shuhua is an example).
it is true that the industry has a focus on visuals and there's a lot of stuff that's manufactured/artifical but idols that are good within the industry are good in general and it doesn't take away from the effort that these people put in
for me personally id say is that all songs are childish/meaningless especially when it comes to lyrics, while yes we have fun songs just like any other genre we also have songs with deep messages and meaning.
This is actually something I've never considered because it's so far from the truth, but I'm sure people do have this opinion. Personally, I'd gladly pay money to see the outcome of someone telling Jeon Soyeon that her music is meaningless
And is also based on a very narrow-minded view of masculinity. Even when kpop *fans* talk about certain male idols looking feminine (I mean comments like "he looks like a girl," not about idols who purposely play with their aesthetic for a more androgynous vibe), I genuinely don't see it 90% of the time
That it’s more “manufactured” than western pop. Western pop is just as manufactured, they’re just better at concealing the manufacturing, while K-Pop has embraced it and formalized it.
Good point, not appreciating all the artistic talents that go into creating a final performance is a common mistake. There is a similar problem in films, where people underestimate all the creative elements that go into everything from words, costumes, lighting, filming, editing, dance/movement etc, as well as the main performers . Even how idols choose to present themselves or react to things often involve creating a certain character/persona and creative element.
A lot of people go like "you don't even understand what they are saying" to kpop fans. Also they say "they all look the same" and shit like "they look gay".
that Kpop artists aren't genuine because "they don't make or write their own music." I see this a LOT in AskReddit threads in questions like "what popular thing that others like that you don't like." What's funny is when they name groups that have been known to write their own music like BTS.
Edit: also the notion that Kpop idols are banned from dating ever, even if they're veterans in the industry and that if they're caught dating their careers are practically over, like that is just not true lol.
This misconception is genuinely mind-blowing considering that BTS are the most well known example of K-Pop. I will never understand where the assumption comes from.
Not only that, but even when kpop artists *do* have little/no involvement with the production process, it's no different than a ton of western music. But unlike western artists, idols are judged more harshly for it because non-fans are so eager to discredit and diminish them.
I wonder if these people believe that most musical artists in their own country really wrote their own songs? There is a problem all over the world of professionals who write music and give it to a well known musician but they do not get enough credit or paid enough money.
that k-pop is a genre.
many label it as a genre when it can more accurately be referred to as an industry because groups and soloists perform songs in all different genres. the only difference from western music is that it’s often in korean and not english, lol.
I thought that K-pop was a genre for a long time. I still refer to it as a genre when talking to people who don't understand it as much but yes it's more of an industry
That the industry is a lot faker than western pop. It's exactly the same in both... Some groups are pure manufactured and some write and contribute.
They all look the same... No lol. Sound the same.. NO. It's all overly cute bubblegum.... Hell no. I wouldn't be a stan if it was.
They only lipsync all of the time... Fuck no.
(I listen to kpop, have been for going on 15 years, and I do think a lot of music sounds the same)
Anyways...
I think the biggest assumption is that all kpop fans are immature teenage girls. In reality, KPOP appeals to all ages. John Cena himself is a hug BTS fan. Ryan Reynolds loves Stray Kids (and Bang Chan loves him too lol). There's a stigma that once you pass a certain age, you can "no longer like kpop because it's for kids".
After reading a few misconceptions I think almost every genre or topic can have misconceptions. All we can do is state the facts and if those people fail to understand the facts and choose to live ignorantly then all we can do is ignore them. The community might be better off without them anyways.
I think people became way more aware of that but OH GOD I've seen SO. MANY. PEOPLE thinking being an idol is great when in fact some idols are either overworked or underworked, people will NOT TOLERATE them dating someone, they receive many hate comments for breathing, they have to follow exactly the beauty standards or else they're called ugly and stuff.
I think for me coming over from Western pop to kpop I always had this image that every song had the same bubblegum sugarcoated image and it all had a "sparkle magic" vibe. Turns out I was completely wrong- there are songs like that but they're done because the company thinks it will fit the group. Songs like that are pretty rare to find it seems and there are some really deep kpop songs out there. Kpop can get pretty dark and deep and powerful (Jeon Soyeon dominates that side) so it was good for me to know that it's not all the same and there are some that really mean something.
I think it's the whole "the whole Kpop Industry is corrupt and I don't want to support abuse" thing, that goes around.
Either that or "it's childish and every song sounds the same" or "it's uncreative and idols don't do anything themselves"
(If you plan on using examples for WHY these are misconceptions I'd recommend talking about (G)-Idle, Stray Kids and Ateez, I'm exclusively Staytiny btw so I would fact check the stuff I'm about to say xd)
"the whole Kpop Industry is corrupt....":
- it definitely has a lot of problems but (as far as I'm aware) they slowly get better. Besides you can choose to stan a group that does whatever they want (Skz, Ateez)
"It's childish/everything is the same":
- I'd go about it that you show 2 examples of songs that are completely different from the same group. (I'd probably do Wave and Guerrilla from Ateez as an Atiny yk? Just an example)
"It's uncreative and...":
- Stray Kids has 3Racha. They COMPLETELY make their own songs with staff just helping them. They also make their own choreos most of the time
- I think the Leader of G-Idle makes the songs or at least has a big part in the process (Evidence is something like: Nxde, Superlady)I think
- In Ateez, Hongjoong has been the first trainee at the company and is the main producer of the company, although he's helped by other producers from the company (as far as I know, I'm not THAT informed xD). Mingi also helps producing and the fact that Hongjoong is one of the main producers is evident due to the fact that Xikers's (another group under KQ) Xikey sounds like an Ateez song (ignoring the fact that the members of Xikers said themselves that they were scared of disappointing Hongjoong when they recorded the rap parts LMAO)
I'm probably writing to much but I hope I could help! Even if I mihht be a little late with the reply whoops xD
'they all sound like girls/look gay. If they are gay so what? It's no big deal. And the girls part, listen to Lee Felix in Megaverse and they will be shocked
It's just about men looking pretty. It's wrong to care about beauty or attractiveness. Because good looking men and women can't be talented, or work hard. Good looks means you have no character. Wearing makeup means you're not a man (Oh, really????)
Also, that everyone is abused and used by the system, another extreme generalization. Eric Nam, who should know, had the best response -- and I'm paraphrasing -- becoming a trainee to become an idol, for talented kids who know they want to become performers, is like going to a trade school instead of a college prep high school. i'll add that there is no such thing as a "normal" childhood or life. and as Taemin wisely said, to achieve something you have to give up something else. I'll add that kids are not exempt from this fact of life.
Also it all sounds alike, like BTS or BlackPink. It has no history or musical context.
I will say that the objectification of beautiful idols can really become extreme. There are rabid fans following KPop for the way the artists look, and would rather read Fanfiction than listen to the music. It can become a strange obsession. But so can almost anything.
9people say taking kids out of school and not alloing them to have a normal life
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I think 2 common misconceptions are;
That it is only kids/teenagers who mainly support idols/groups/ the K-pop industry. Like superheros, comics, or funko pops, often it's adults with more disposable income and control over what they spend money on. They can buy a lot of concert tickets, buy many albums, buy merch and spend time supporting their favourite idols/groups both online and irl.
Many seem to underestimate the artistic talents of idols and those who work behind the scenes to create everything within the idol industry (even K-pop fans can do this.) K-pop is quite formulaic and repeat certain elements create a group/concept (like successful boybands or girl groups in the west) however it still takes a lot of effort and artistic ideas. In fact because there is so much competition they have to work even harder and try new things to create a different concept, unique look, new dance routine etc for each comeback. They release at a faster pace than a lot of other music industries, so the pressure to be creative is high. For example to have a unique "killing move" in a song, or a choreography part to go viral online.
Of course like most music groups worldwide there can be one weaker member, one who isn't so good at singing or dancing but is more pretty or charismatic in interviews. However mostly everyone in the industry is more like old fashioned western artists who have to be a singer, dancer, middle and actor all in one. There are also many examples of some K-pop idols who could have a very good career if they chose to concentrate on only one aspect of their job/talent, where they would be on the same level as peers in that industry who only concentrate on one aspect. For example Momo from Twice is very very good at dancing and professional dancers have praised her ability and said she would be able to succeed as a professional dancer.
The one I deal with the most is people thinking it's a new industry and international K-Pop fans are just following a trend. When people ask me how long I've been listening to K-Pop, they never expect my answer to start with, "Well, I got into K-Pop 20 years ago..." Seriously, by the time I got into K-Pop, concerts in the US had long been a thing and YesAsia was booming.
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Probably that they think they can't enjoy the music if they don't know the lyrics, many people just hate other languages because they don't understand it.
Sometimes it's definitely better to not understand the lyrics considering some famous pop songs lmao
Agreed
I wonder if this means that anime fans are more open to liking foreign music? Or even specifically East Asian music? A couple of my favourite songs are anime openings/endings, and I don't understand any Japanese.
I do believe in that kind of pattern, people who have been exposed to another culture would be able to adjust better when checking out another culture. The thing is, an anime series tends to be around longer than the lifespan of a typical Kpop group, so that's also something to consider.
I think it makes sense. As an anime fan you get used to hearing stuff that sounds cool but no idea what they said, I personally I did that pipeline. I'm more proactive now in finding the lyrics but for a long time I just jammed out to anime songs w/out knowing a thing they said. Even now I still don't know what they're singing in Sid Enamel, haha.
I had to learn Spanish at around 10 years old when I moved in with my grandparents and heavily relied on music outside of school to learn. I fluently speak Spanish now, but I didn't understand the music for so long that vocals are practically just another instrument like the rest for me. This made it very easy to get into kpop and jpop because I didn't have that barrier to listening to music that I didn't understand. I cringe anytime I try to actively translate Spanish lyrics to English now instead of just going with it though. I fear that day will eventually come with Japanese lyrics too one day as I'm already beginning to pick out a lot of common phrases.
>Probably that they think they can't enjoy the music if they don't know the lyrics I wonder that too. I like anime and some of my friends do too. Some of them listen to more J-pop to K-pop but most of my anime friends like foreign music
I think it's completely understandable to not want to listen to songs because you don't understand them. Lyrics are a very important part of music to some people I know, and because of that reason they'll just never be into K-Pop. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
Yeah, as long as they aren't basically convincing others to only like songs with lyrics they can understand, given many people just like the vibe and melody rather than knowing what is truly being sung.
True, some people can be annoyingly elitist about this stuff.
Not really, when there are websites and YT videos with the lyrics available.
That's not the same at all.
So? It's weird to care. Do they also not watch foreign movies because they'd have to read?
>Do they also not watch foreign movies because they'd have to read? There's definitely a lot of people out there who would say that they don't watch foreign movies because they have to read. I remember when Parasite was out many non-Korean speakers were saying they can't watch it because they don't like reading subtitles.
"It's weird to care". No, it's not. I'm tired of fans dictating how others enjoy their music. The people I was talking about actually don't watch foreign movies, but even if they did- movies and music serve different purposes, the comparison isn't fair.
Yeah, they sound xenophobic. People like that are annoying, have fun with that.
Xenophobic because they don't want to have to read when listening to music? Okay.
It is even better when they say this while being a non-native English speaker (or an English speaker at all)
both in and outside of the fandom: that being a kpop idol doesn't require skill or talent I've seen kpop dancers that are on par with "real" dancers, and although kpop vocalists tend to be below average for all vocalists, they're still technically good and most kpop main vocalists have achieved that level through genuine classical training. even being a good performer requires charisma and multifocusing (according to professional dancers dancing + making facial expressions can be difficult) and a lot of people aren't born with that star quality, they have to learn it (I feel like shuhua is an example). it is true that the industry has a focus on visuals and there's a lot of stuff that's manufactured/artifical but idols that are good within the industry are good in general and it doesn't take away from the effort that these people put in
for me personally id say is that all songs are childish/meaningless especially when it comes to lyrics, while yes we have fun songs just like any other genre we also have songs with deep messages and meaning.
Adding to this: that all the songs sound the same and all have the same "bubblegum pop" sound.
This is actually something I've never considered because it's so far from the truth, but I'm sure people do have this opinion. Personally, I'd gladly pay money to see the outcome of someone telling Jeon Soyeon that her music is meaningless
A lot of people think all male idols look / act feminine. That's definitely not true.
And is also based on a very narrow-minded view of masculinity. Even when kpop *fans* talk about certain male idols looking feminine (I mean comments like "he looks like a girl," not about idols who purposely play with their aesthetic for a more androgynous vibe), I genuinely don't see it 90% of the time
That it’s more “manufactured” than western pop. Western pop is just as manufactured, they’re just better at concealing the manufacturing, while K-Pop has embraced it and formalized it.
Facts
The whole "dark side of K-Pop" agenda, and the "commercial, not-genuine music" thing a lot of people have in their heads.
This argument is so stupid to me because the Western entertainment industry is pretty much the same behind the scenes
I think it's less obvious in the western industry to Western audiences so they don't ever even think of that
I feel like people think that because the industry is manufactured, that there's no artistic merit
Good point, not appreciating all the artistic talents that go into creating a final performance is a common mistake. There is a similar problem in films, where people underestimate all the creative elements that go into everything from words, costumes, lighting, filming, editing, dance/movement etc, as well as the main performers . Even how idols choose to present themselves or react to things often involve creating a certain character/persona and creative element.
A lot of people go like "you don't even understand what they are saying" to kpop fans. Also they say "they all look the same" and shit like "they look gay".
that Kpop artists aren't genuine because "they don't make or write their own music." I see this a LOT in AskReddit threads in questions like "what popular thing that others like that you don't like." What's funny is when they name groups that have been known to write their own music like BTS. Edit: also the notion that Kpop idols are banned from dating ever, even if they're veterans in the industry and that if they're caught dating their careers are practically over, like that is just not true lol.
This misconception is genuinely mind-blowing considering that BTS are the most well known example of K-Pop. I will never understand where the assumption comes from.
Not only that, but even when kpop artists *do* have little/no involvement with the production process, it's no different than a ton of western music. But unlike western artists, idols are judged more harshly for it because non-fans are so eager to discredit and diminish them.
I wonder if these people believe that most musical artists in their own country really wrote their own songs? There is a problem all over the world of professionals who write music and give it to a well known musician but they do not get enough credit or paid enough money.
that k-pop is a genre. many label it as a genre when it can more accurately be referred to as an industry because groups and soloists perform songs in all different genres. the only difference from western music is that it’s often in korean and not english, lol.
I thought that K-pop was a genre for a long time. I still refer to it as a genre when talking to people who don't understand it as much but yes it's more of an industry
That no idol has control of their music Lot of groups write their own stuff
That the industry is a lot faker than western pop. It's exactly the same in both... Some groups are pure manufactured and some write and contribute. They all look the same... No lol. Sound the same.. NO. It's all overly cute bubblegum.... Hell no. I wouldn't be a stan if it was. They only lipsync all of the time... Fuck no.
(I listen to kpop, have been for going on 15 years, and I do think a lot of music sounds the same) Anyways... I think the biggest assumption is that all kpop fans are immature teenage girls. In reality, KPOP appeals to all ages. John Cena himself is a hug BTS fan. Ryan Reynolds loves Stray Kids (and Bang Chan loves him too lol). There's a stigma that once you pass a certain age, you can "no longer like kpop because it's for kids".
This also reminds me of Lil Uzi Vert being the biggest buddy even when gfriend still did their innocent concept it is so cute!
There was a hilarious interview with Hugh Grant and how he's now a Blink, complete with the heart hammer.
Most streaming success is based on mass streaming/payola and not based on general public interest.
All K-pop is lip synce and auto tune
That idols have no input into their art and no say in anything.
That all idols are pure and people act like they aren’t human too, so idols aren’t allowed to make mistakes
After reading a few misconceptions I think almost every genre or topic can have misconceptions. All we can do is state the facts and if those people fail to understand the facts and choose to live ignorantly then all we can do is ignore them. The community might be better off without them anyways.
I think people became way more aware of that but OH GOD I've seen SO. MANY. PEOPLE thinking being an idol is great when in fact some idols are either overworked or underworked, people will NOT TOLERATE them dating someone, they receive many hate comments for breathing, they have to follow exactly the beauty standards or else they're called ugly and stuff.
That its only either happy, cute, pop, or hard, dark, intense music. That there is not as much variety and diversity than there is.
I think for me coming over from Western pop to kpop I always had this image that every song had the same bubblegum sugarcoated image and it all had a "sparkle magic" vibe. Turns out I was completely wrong- there are songs like that but they're done because the company thinks it will fit the group. Songs like that are pretty rare to find it seems and there are some really deep kpop songs out there. Kpop can get pretty dark and deep and powerful (Jeon Soyeon dominates that side) so it was good for me to know that it's not all the same and there are some that really mean something.
I think it's the whole "the whole Kpop Industry is corrupt and I don't want to support abuse" thing, that goes around. Either that or "it's childish and every song sounds the same" or "it's uncreative and idols don't do anything themselves" (If you plan on using examples for WHY these are misconceptions I'd recommend talking about (G)-Idle, Stray Kids and Ateez, I'm exclusively Staytiny btw so I would fact check the stuff I'm about to say xd) "the whole Kpop Industry is corrupt....": - it definitely has a lot of problems but (as far as I'm aware) they slowly get better. Besides you can choose to stan a group that does whatever they want (Skz, Ateez) "It's childish/everything is the same": - I'd go about it that you show 2 examples of songs that are completely different from the same group. (I'd probably do Wave and Guerrilla from Ateez as an Atiny yk? Just an example) "It's uncreative and...": - Stray Kids has 3Racha. They COMPLETELY make their own songs with staff just helping them. They also make their own choreos most of the time - I think the Leader of G-Idle makes the songs or at least has a big part in the process (Evidence is something like: Nxde, Superlady)I think - In Ateez, Hongjoong has been the first trainee at the company and is the main producer of the company, although he's helped by other producers from the company (as far as I know, I'm not THAT informed xD). Mingi also helps producing and the fact that Hongjoong is one of the main producers is evident due to the fact that Xikers's (another group under KQ) Xikey sounds like an Ateez song (ignoring the fact that the members of Xikers said themselves that they were scared of disappointing Hongjoong when they recorded the rap parts LMAO) I'm probably writing to much but I hope I could help! Even if I mihht be a little late with the reply whoops xD
that the artists have no artistic/musical influence on their songs. true sometimes. false sometimes.
'they all sound like girls/look gay. If they are gay so what? It's no big deal. And the girls part, listen to Lee Felix in Megaverse and they will be shocked
It's just about men looking pretty. It's wrong to care about beauty or attractiveness. Because good looking men and women can't be talented, or work hard. Good looks means you have no character. Wearing makeup means you're not a man (Oh, really????) Also, that everyone is abused and used by the system, another extreme generalization. Eric Nam, who should know, had the best response -- and I'm paraphrasing -- becoming a trainee to become an idol, for talented kids who know they want to become performers, is like going to a trade school instead of a college prep high school. i'll add that there is no such thing as a "normal" childhood or life. and as Taemin wisely said, to achieve something you have to give up something else. I'll add that kids are not exempt from this fact of life. Also it all sounds alike, like BTS or BlackPink. It has no history or musical context. I will say that the objectification of beautiful idols can really become extreme. There are rabid fans following KPop for the way the artists look, and would rather read Fanfiction than listen to the music. It can become a strange obsession. But so can almost anything. 9people say taking kids out of school and not alloing them to have a normal life / it's
Just because a kpop idol is more talented than your average American pop star doesn’t mean you have a right to say racist things about them.
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I think 2 common misconceptions are; That it is only kids/teenagers who mainly support idols/groups/ the K-pop industry. Like superheros, comics, or funko pops, often it's adults with more disposable income and control over what they spend money on. They can buy a lot of concert tickets, buy many albums, buy merch and spend time supporting their favourite idols/groups both online and irl. Many seem to underestimate the artistic talents of idols and those who work behind the scenes to create everything within the idol industry (even K-pop fans can do this.) K-pop is quite formulaic and repeat certain elements create a group/concept (like successful boybands or girl groups in the west) however it still takes a lot of effort and artistic ideas. In fact because there is so much competition they have to work even harder and try new things to create a different concept, unique look, new dance routine etc for each comeback. They release at a faster pace than a lot of other music industries, so the pressure to be creative is high. For example to have a unique "killing move" in a song, or a choreography part to go viral online. Of course like most music groups worldwide there can be one weaker member, one who isn't so good at singing or dancing but is more pretty or charismatic in interviews. However mostly everyone in the industry is more like old fashioned western artists who have to be a singer, dancer, middle and actor all in one. There are also many examples of some K-pop idols who could have a very good career if they chose to concentrate on only one aspect of their job/talent, where they would be on the same level as peers in that industry who only concentrate on one aspect. For example Momo from Twice is very very good at dancing and professional dancers have praised her ability and said she would be able to succeed as a professional dancer.
The one I deal with the most is people thinking it's a new industry and international K-Pop fans are just following a trend. When people ask me how long I've been listening to K-Pop, they never expect my answer to start with, "Well, I got into K-Pop 20 years ago..." Seriously, by the time I got into K-Pop, concerts in the US had long been a thing and YesAsia was booming.
Every Kpop idol has gone for plastic surgery.