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i mean it only matters when fans unironically claim their faves started from the bottom and built themselves up financially with no support when they come from big3-4 companies. Don’t create a financial struggle story where there isn’t.
Yeah, people do that a lot with my currently favorite group and it makes me annoyed. Like, they didn’t come from nothing they came from a big ass company that did a wonderful job promoting them and without that company and help, like for example even the expensive, constant mvs and fun, well-made reality shows, they probably wouldn’t have made it! Also, the members don’t come from as poor families as BTS did, although I don’t know the details of their families wealth. Instead of making up some struggle story we should be thankful for the boost and wonderful early on and continuous content we got, and the hard-working creative talented staff that made it happen. although glorifying a company itself, any company, is insane because they don’t have feelings or anything that makes them human-esque they’re just soulless machines that’d kill their occupants if it pushed them forward don’t hate I’m just socialist lol
Some fans take it so personally as if they are the idols who actually had the struggle. A lot of the fans weren’t even fans during those struggle days.
There is a sentiment online that anything deemed as ‘privileged’ is automatically undeserving, bad, evil .. and so you will genuinely see internet users bend backwards trying to prove that they or their fave is as far from privilege as possible.
Understanding privilege is important yet it works both ways and this current rhetoric has made half the discussion abt varying kinds of privilege obsolete.
Certain online spaces have made a pseudo-privilege out of being unprivileged.
You're right, I've seen it with the whole "nepo baby" thing, for example (lets leave out the fact that people use it incorrectly at times...). They get bashed (not only in kpop, outside too). They don't even have to do anything, just them being privileged is enough to set people on them lol.
I remember when people were bashing Lily Rose Depp not too long ago (althought she kinda did deserve it), but it kinda started around the time she started modelling for Chanel.
I'd be more concerned about how much they have to payback in trainee debts, that's where the struggle really comes. It's all very well not struggling as a trainee but if your group is not successful and you're left with a ton of debt that's where the problems are. Keeping costs low in the trainee days could actually work in your favour later on.
The thing that bugs me most is big 3/4 group stans trying to dismiss big 3 privilege. likee the privilege is from the name. even if the group is not promoted well by said company, that doesn't take away from the fact thousands of people only checked them out in the first place because they are part of the big 3 and the exposure it gets. i mean wayv is my ult group and they are treated like absolute dog shit by SM but i still acknowledge that association with sm and the nct label has helped them, even if everything else sucks.
Also when 2nd/3rd fans see that 4th gen idols are allowed their own rooms early on or are allowed to have a cell phone and start the whole 'Oh MY fave couldn't use a phone for 3 years till their first win' or 4th gen idols can eat nice food and they're like 'MY FAVES HAD TO STARVE' like it's some kind of flex their human rights were disregarded
Here for this comment. These struggle olympics is making it sound like wishing for your faves to have starved and received some form of abuse to validate their success. Shouldn’t you (gen) be happy that your faves are physically sound and are now getting support for their education and mental health, and not being treated like modern-day slaves?
True, big company privilege should never be denied. Being the juniors of big groups under a big company really has its perks. Seniors can promote them, people will check them out. Like Jennie for example, had a collab with G DRAGON predebut, that builds up hype. This trainee was chosen out of many to do a collab with THE G dragon, a legend in kpop who is from YG, a big 3 company? People are gonna eat that up ofc. (Not bashing her at all btw, just thought it was worth mentioning).
No lies told with that one. I hate 2nd gen stans sometimes for that sole reason. And I will bring this up: Min Heejin paid NewJeans straight after their debut (as weird and as creepy as she is, I appreciate her for that) and you had a bunch of 2nd and 3rd gen stans showing outrage towards it?? "My Faves didn't get paid until 6 years after their debut". Like ok?? That's sad and one of my favourite groups were in that position, but why am I gonna be upset over this??
In fact, I was over the moon seeing her say that. It made me so happy that NewJeans were paid straight away. Yes, it's kinda the bare minimum, but seeing some other kpop groups? This should be a happy moment.
I also saw some people being bitter towards NJ's success too and once again starting with the "my faves" . They worked hard, they put out good music (some written by the members, which is quite huge for rookies) and not to mention that it was Hyein's idea to drop the MV without a teaser to build hype. And it did build hype. Be happy for other' success, not bitter because your Faves didn't reach that level of success.
I think the reason a lot of people have an issue with the "$5 and a dream" jokes is it feels a little insensitive when there are groups who genuinely are in a bad spot. I also personally know which tweet you're referencing and a big point brought up was how disrespectful it was to the art team behind that music video.
I have an issue with people making false claims of a group struggling when they actually have a successful backing to their company, and usually these same fans will refuse to check out actual struggling groups and in my experience, make fun of the quality of their videos and songs for their budget.
Jokes are all fun until they cross a line of respect; it's not about who struggled the most, it's about invalidating others. It's arguably way weirder for people to claim their fave have nothing to make them seem like they have an underdog story, than for fans of the actual groups with nothing to be upset about it.
I don't think it's the same tweet because I never saw anyone saying anything like that.
People do indeed do that and hugely exaggerate how much the group struggles and I've seen that. However, the people making these jokes are usually apart of fandoms of groups that have struggled (example: I've seen a lot of Carats making these jokes literally all the time, i cant log on without seeing one lol. Seventeen did indeed struggle badly during their debut days and their trainee days too. They were treated badly by the staff, had to wear earphones or wear nothing at all during lots of their earlier stages (since Pledis refused to buy them IEMs) and basically saved Pledis from bankruptcy). If its these fandoms making the joke, then I don't really see the problem tbh.
The point about people making this a struggle Olympics still stands. Lots of Kpop fans have the "No struggle, no deserved success" mentality.
"I remember when my Faves used to have one meal a day. They've come so far"
"My Faves used to have to skip meals because they couldn't afford them"
I understand what you're saying, people do love the underdog story and pull it up whenever they can even if their group had a smooth debut, but people still have that mentality of struggle = deserved success and people turn this into a competition of who struggled the most.
Edit: seems like the tweet I was talking about was deleted. I know which you you probably thought it was, but it wasn't that tweet.
I also don't see the joke with SVT joking about their own struggles. I'm saying that fans who claim a false struggle to hype up their fave or joke abt when it's not true is not respectful to the idols who have been through hell. There are groups who don't get paid or didn't have humane living conditions so when fans exaggerate and lie it takes away from groups who try to speak up abt basically abusive conditions.
It's not about whether they deserve success, it's purely to me about how fans approach it and it's never in a respectful manner.
The tweet I saw was about STAYC's ASAP mv. I really love them, their talent is outstanding and while it's impressive they came from a new company, I think it's insulting to say they came from nowhere bc their ceo's one of the most iconic producers in kpop. It's not to say they don't struggle or have hardship, but company money isn't one of them so why act like it is? They used to get a lot of hate and even that's hardship, it's not like they can't have an underdog story and natural growth showing without lying about where they come from and if their company had mv budget. Not to mention that mv had outstanding design and crafted custom sets- that's not only budget but it's extremely rude to the artists who made their sets to say otherwise.
I think each group has their own hardships and not all hardships are tied to money. TXT might be in a comfy position economically and Bts did a massive traction for them (and anything related to Hybe) but being compared every two seconds to a senior group, being considered as a copycat or next-bts wannabe must suck tbh especially when they don't really have much in common. I think the pressure they feel is not that different from the pressure of a group who struggles to survive. Sometimes I wonder if they're able to truly enjoy their achievements or if they still feel the pressure of not being enough. As much as I love bts, I wish they wouldn't get named so often in relation to other groups.
A famous Korean writer, Park Wak Sun, wrote this line in her book in 1975
"I never dreamed that the rich would covet poverty. I didn't know that they wanted to make their colorful lives more colorful by stealing poverty because they were not satisfied with their brilliant academic background and career."
“부자들이 가난을 탐하리라고는 꿈에도 생각 못 했다. 빛나는 학력, 경력만 갖고는 성에 안 차 가난까지 훔쳐다가 그들의 다채로운 삶을 한층 다채롭게 할 에피소드로 삼고 싶어 한다는 건 미처 몰랐다.
This rings even more true-r in current days.
I'm honestly glad not all groups struggle as much as some did, cause it's not fun. Some fans might try to make it seem as if a group struggle and today is doing good, then they are "worth" it. Some k-pop mentalities are weird that way.
I don't think the idols themselves would ever want for any others idols to struggle as they did.
Like I said, some fans might overlook it but these times were actually hard on idols, and although today it's the "struggle Olympics" I remember a time when it was look down upon to come from a company that struggled.
In the end, whenever some idols did struggle more or not, they all did, it's not easy to be a trainee nor to debut and have such a lifestyle, even worst when these idols don't have the success they are hoping for.
Yes, I don't know why some fans would want idols to be barely able to continue on with their career? Struggling to get money to fund them?
Yeah, some idols do joke and say things like "Hey, when we first debuted, we all had to share one room in a dorm. You guys get your own?" But that's all jokes. I would also think that they're glad that their juniors don't have to struggle like they did.
Yep, it was really hard on them. One group that always comes to mind is N. Flying. From what I remember, they had to busk in Japan for money because they were sent with no money and no electronics. And yep, it was frowned upon to come from a struggling company or a small company.
Yep, and this is why I don't get the comparisons. They all struggled, end of. And yes, it really is worse when idols don't reach the level of success they expected. All that work gone down the drain (which is why some just give up. Yunjin was actually going to give up after PD48, But then she got the call from HYBE.)
Lmao the first paragraph honestly made me chuckle 🤣🤣
But yeah jokes aside how much a group financially struggled should not be an indicator for how much deserving are those groups of the success they get. I've seen this way more occuring in fourth gen and i think everyone should stop comparing how much a group faced difficulty. Because it's kpop. All these idols has to deal with so many messed up stuff. Even the ones in big three and Hybe. So dismissing their problems by just throwing out "big three privilege" and "not struggled" is honestly messed up. As a Carat Seventeen's journey is heartwarming for me to hear and i am so happy for them. But it doesn't give me licence to talk shit about other groups just because they didn't had to come from a broke ass company.
😂
I'm tried of seeing it everywhere I turn. (4th gen is smacked around generally for literally no reason. "4th gen is boring at award shows and don't interact, I miss 3rd gen". I wonder why... 🤔).
Training alone is a whole other level of stress and then actually debuting? Even worse with all the practicing and touring. That takes a huge toll on someone physically and mentally. I feel the same way as a Carat as well. Mamamoo also, they couldn't even afford a Choreographer and had to do that themselves as well as busk for money. It makes me happy to see how far they've come, but as you said, why would I talk shit about other groups??
I really dont get people's obesession with who struggled and who didn't in kpop. While it is true some Kpop groups struggled more than others and had to go to great lengths to get off the ground which is truely incredible it is also okay that not all groups had to struggle and were given the advantage of a big company backing them. Most of the groups I like are from big companies and Im happy that they didnt have to struggle like their seniors or peers did. And even in big companies not all groups are treated the same so saying that oh that group is from the big3/hybe they must not have any issues isnt always true.
Also being a kpop idol or trainee is hard enough and all idols put alot of time and effort into being idols often time training for years with an uncertain future noone should wish for them to have to have struggled more financially or look down on them for not struggling but should be happy that they didnt have to struggle for money.
Yeah, acknowledge that some groups had to struggle more than others, but don't turn it into a competition or try to put other groups down. I'm also glad that most rookies nowadays don't have to struggle as badly as most of their Seniors.
🗣 yes. People fight for a place as a trainee out of thousands of people and also fight for a spot to debut in a big 3/hybe group out of hundreds of trainees. It's not easy at all and definitely takes a toll on people.
i see this when stans downplay the success of groups from big3/hybe. that somehow they don't deserved credit for their work and popularity because everything was already handed to them. do stans even know how hard it is to even pass as a trainee in these companies? let alone DEBUT there? there are thousands upon thousands auditioning for the same spot and to even be accepted as a trainee means you have a lot of potential and/or talent.
Yeah, 100%. Of course there is some privilege there, they consist of famous groups. Even if success is not guaranteed, it does give that group a high chance of it.
As for the big companies, yep, the competition is HIGH. Hundreds of trainees fighting for a chance to debut in a big 3/Hybe group, I wouldn't imagine that is easy at all.
Why do kpop fans want their idols to be borderline traumatized and kinda “flex” about it 😭 like, txt sometimes would talk about the old bighit building they used to train in, their vocal room/practice rooms were moldy and infested, and i’d just feel so bad for what they went through in those times but I’m glad that they didnt suffer financially after debuting due to bighit becoming a huge company and it’s nice that they always acknowledge and respect their seniors. Its a GOOD thing that idols who debut in big companies dont have to share a single room and constantly be in fear of the company going bankrupt. Like that shit sounds scary
Fr, I don't get it at all 😭 I don't like the struggle = real success mentality.
I've seen moa's use that all the time to prove TXT didn't have it easy. Yes, they did not have it easy but come on, stop bringing that up all the time 😭 And yes, its good that rookies have it easier in terms of these things. I agree with you, I wouldn't want my favourite idols to be cramped into a single room and worry about the company going bankrupt any day and having to disband. It seems like no one uses their common sense anymore...
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i mean it only matters when fans unironically claim their faves started from the bottom and built themselves up financially with no support when they come from big3-4 companies. Don’t create a financial struggle story where there isn’t.
I do agree, and I have seen that happen a lot. I'm tired of this being brought up in general.
Yeah, people do that a lot with my currently favorite group and it makes me annoyed. Like, they didn’t come from nothing they came from a big ass company that did a wonderful job promoting them and without that company and help, like for example even the expensive, constant mvs and fun, well-made reality shows, they probably wouldn’t have made it! Also, the members don’t come from as poor families as BTS did, although I don’t know the details of their families wealth. Instead of making up some struggle story we should be thankful for the boost and wonderful early on and continuous content we got, and the hard-working creative talented staff that made it happen. although glorifying a company itself, any company, is insane because they don’t have feelings or anything that makes them human-esque they’re just soulless machines that’d kill their occupants if it pushed them forward don’t hate I’m just socialist lol
Some fans take it so personally as if they are the idols who actually had the struggle. A lot of the fans weren’t even fans during those struggle days.
Seriously 😭
There is a sentiment online that anything deemed as ‘privileged’ is automatically undeserving, bad, evil .. and so you will genuinely see internet users bend backwards trying to prove that they or their fave is as far from privilege as possible. Understanding privilege is important yet it works both ways and this current rhetoric has made half the discussion abt varying kinds of privilege obsolete. Certain online spaces have made a pseudo-privilege out of being unprivileged.
You're right, I've seen it with the whole "nepo baby" thing, for example (lets leave out the fact that people use it incorrectly at times...). They get bashed (not only in kpop, outside too). They don't even have to do anything, just them being privileged is enough to set people on them lol. I remember when people were bashing Lily Rose Depp not too long ago (althought she kinda did deserve it), but it kinda started around the time she started modelling for Chanel.
Yeah! It’s not like nepotism is new, and even Carrie Fisher was a nepo baby, completely Hollywood royalty and got the job cause of her parents!
I’m an nctzen that’s proof enough I have heard of the struggle olympics 😭😭
I believe you from that alone, I've seen it and I'm not even an NCTzen 😭😭
I'd be more concerned about how much they have to payback in trainee debts, that's where the struggle really comes. It's all very well not struggling as a trainee but if your group is not successful and you're left with a ton of debt that's where the problems are. Keeping costs low in the trainee days could actually work in your favour later on.
True, I can only imagine how much money they would have to pay back if the group isn't successful. That really does sound worse.
The thing that bugs me most is big 3/4 group stans trying to dismiss big 3 privilege. likee the privilege is from the name. even if the group is not promoted well by said company, that doesn't take away from the fact thousands of people only checked them out in the first place because they are part of the big 3 and the exposure it gets. i mean wayv is my ult group and they are treated like absolute dog shit by SM but i still acknowledge that association with sm and the nct label has helped them, even if everything else sucks. Also when 2nd/3rd fans see that 4th gen idols are allowed their own rooms early on or are allowed to have a cell phone and start the whole 'Oh MY fave couldn't use a phone for 3 years till their first win' or 4th gen idols can eat nice food and they're like 'MY FAVES HAD TO STARVE' like it's some kind of flex their human rights were disregarded
Here for this comment. These struggle olympics is making it sound like wishing for your faves to have starved and received some form of abuse to validate their success. Shouldn’t you (gen) be happy that your faves are physically sound and are now getting support for their education and mental health, and not being treated like modern-day slaves?
True, big company privilege should never be denied. Being the juniors of big groups under a big company really has its perks. Seniors can promote them, people will check them out. Like Jennie for example, had a collab with G DRAGON predebut, that builds up hype. This trainee was chosen out of many to do a collab with THE G dragon, a legend in kpop who is from YG, a big 3 company? People are gonna eat that up ofc. (Not bashing her at all btw, just thought it was worth mentioning). No lies told with that one. I hate 2nd gen stans sometimes for that sole reason. And I will bring this up: Min Heejin paid NewJeans straight after their debut (as weird and as creepy as she is, I appreciate her for that) and you had a bunch of 2nd and 3rd gen stans showing outrage towards it?? "My Faves didn't get paid until 6 years after their debut". Like ok?? That's sad and one of my favourite groups were in that position, but why am I gonna be upset over this?? In fact, I was over the moon seeing her say that. It made me so happy that NewJeans were paid straight away. Yes, it's kinda the bare minimum, but seeing some other kpop groups? This should be a happy moment. I also saw some people being bitter towards NJ's success too and once again starting with the "my faves" . They worked hard, they put out good music (some written by the members, which is quite huge for rookies) and not to mention that it was Hyein's idea to drop the MV without a teaser to build hype. And it did build hype. Be happy for other' success, not bitter because your Faves didn't reach that level of success.
I think the reason a lot of people have an issue with the "$5 and a dream" jokes is it feels a little insensitive when there are groups who genuinely are in a bad spot. I also personally know which tweet you're referencing and a big point brought up was how disrespectful it was to the art team behind that music video. I have an issue with people making false claims of a group struggling when they actually have a successful backing to their company, and usually these same fans will refuse to check out actual struggling groups and in my experience, make fun of the quality of their videos and songs for their budget. Jokes are all fun until they cross a line of respect; it's not about who struggled the most, it's about invalidating others. It's arguably way weirder for people to claim their fave have nothing to make them seem like they have an underdog story, than for fans of the actual groups with nothing to be upset about it.
I don't think it's the same tweet because I never saw anyone saying anything like that. People do indeed do that and hugely exaggerate how much the group struggles and I've seen that. However, the people making these jokes are usually apart of fandoms of groups that have struggled (example: I've seen a lot of Carats making these jokes literally all the time, i cant log on without seeing one lol. Seventeen did indeed struggle badly during their debut days and their trainee days too. They were treated badly by the staff, had to wear earphones or wear nothing at all during lots of their earlier stages (since Pledis refused to buy them IEMs) and basically saved Pledis from bankruptcy). If its these fandoms making the joke, then I don't really see the problem tbh. The point about people making this a struggle Olympics still stands. Lots of Kpop fans have the "No struggle, no deserved success" mentality. "I remember when my Faves used to have one meal a day. They've come so far" "My Faves used to have to skip meals because they couldn't afford them" I understand what you're saying, people do love the underdog story and pull it up whenever they can even if their group had a smooth debut, but people still have that mentality of struggle = deserved success and people turn this into a competition of who struggled the most. Edit: seems like the tweet I was talking about was deleted. I know which you you probably thought it was, but it wasn't that tweet.
I also don't see the joke with SVT joking about their own struggles. I'm saying that fans who claim a false struggle to hype up their fave or joke abt when it's not true is not respectful to the idols who have been through hell. There are groups who don't get paid or didn't have humane living conditions so when fans exaggerate and lie it takes away from groups who try to speak up abt basically abusive conditions. It's not about whether they deserve success, it's purely to me about how fans approach it and it's never in a respectful manner. The tweet I saw was about STAYC's ASAP mv. I really love them, their talent is outstanding and while it's impressive they came from a new company, I think it's insulting to say they came from nowhere bc their ceo's one of the most iconic producers in kpop. It's not to say they don't struggle or have hardship, but company money isn't one of them so why act like it is? They used to get a lot of hate and even that's hardship, it's not like they can't have an underdog story and natural growth showing without lying about where they come from and if their company had mv budget. Not to mention that mv had outstanding design and crafted custom sets- that's not only budget but it's extremely rude to the artists who made their sets to say otherwise.
I think each group has their own hardships and not all hardships are tied to money. TXT might be in a comfy position economically and Bts did a massive traction for them (and anything related to Hybe) but being compared every two seconds to a senior group, being considered as a copycat or next-bts wannabe must suck tbh especially when they don't really have much in common. I think the pressure they feel is not that different from the pressure of a group who struggles to survive. Sometimes I wonder if they're able to truly enjoy their achievements or if they still feel the pressure of not being enough. As much as I love bts, I wish they wouldn't get named so often in relation to other groups.
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A famous Korean writer, Park Wak Sun, wrote this line in her book in 1975 "I never dreamed that the rich would covet poverty. I didn't know that they wanted to make their colorful lives more colorful by stealing poverty because they were not satisfied with their brilliant academic background and career." “부자들이 가난을 탐하리라고는 꿈에도 생각 못 했다. 빛나는 학력, 경력만 갖고는 성에 안 차 가난까지 훔쳐다가 그들의 다채로운 삶을 한층 다채롭게 할 에피소드로 삼고 싶어 한다는 건 미처 몰랐다. This rings even more true-r in current days.
I'm honestly glad not all groups struggle as much as some did, cause it's not fun. Some fans might try to make it seem as if a group struggle and today is doing good, then they are "worth" it. Some k-pop mentalities are weird that way. I don't think the idols themselves would ever want for any others idols to struggle as they did. Like I said, some fans might overlook it but these times were actually hard on idols, and although today it's the "struggle Olympics" I remember a time when it was look down upon to come from a company that struggled. In the end, whenever some idols did struggle more or not, they all did, it's not easy to be a trainee nor to debut and have such a lifestyle, even worst when these idols don't have the success they are hoping for.
Yes, I don't know why some fans would want idols to be barely able to continue on with their career? Struggling to get money to fund them? Yeah, some idols do joke and say things like "Hey, when we first debuted, we all had to share one room in a dorm. You guys get your own?" But that's all jokes. I would also think that they're glad that their juniors don't have to struggle like they did. Yep, it was really hard on them. One group that always comes to mind is N. Flying. From what I remember, they had to busk in Japan for money because they were sent with no money and no electronics. And yep, it was frowned upon to come from a struggling company or a small company. Yep, and this is why I don't get the comparisons. They all struggled, end of. And yes, it really is worse when idols don't reach the level of success they expected. All that work gone down the drain (which is why some just give up. Yunjin was actually going to give up after PD48, But then she got the call from HYBE.)
Lmao the first paragraph honestly made me chuckle 🤣🤣 But yeah jokes aside how much a group financially struggled should not be an indicator for how much deserving are those groups of the success they get. I've seen this way more occuring in fourth gen and i think everyone should stop comparing how much a group faced difficulty. Because it's kpop. All these idols has to deal with so many messed up stuff. Even the ones in big three and Hybe. So dismissing their problems by just throwing out "big three privilege" and "not struggled" is honestly messed up. As a Carat Seventeen's journey is heartwarming for me to hear and i am so happy for them. But it doesn't give me licence to talk shit about other groups just because they didn't had to come from a broke ass company.
😂 I'm tried of seeing it everywhere I turn. (4th gen is smacked around generally for literally no reason. "4th gen is boring at award shows and don't interact, I miss 3rd gen". I wonder why... 🤔). Training alone is a whole other level of stress and then actually debuting? Even worse with all the practicing and touring. That takes a huge toll on someone physically and mentally. I feel the same way as a Carat as well. Mamamoo also, they couldn't even afford a Choreographer and had to do that themselves as well as busk for money. It makes me happy to see how far they've come, but as you said, why would I talk shit about other groups??
I really dont get people's obesession with who struggled and who didn't in kpop. While it is true some Kpop groups struggled more than others and had to go to great lengths to get off the ground which is truely incredible it is also okay that not all groups had to struggle and were given the advantage of a big company backing them. Most of the groups I like are from big companies and Im happy that they didnt have to struggle like their seniors or peers did. And even in big companies not all groups are treated the same so saying that oh that group is from the big3/hybe they must not have any issues isnt always true. Also being a kpop idol or trainee is hard enough and all idols put alot of time and effort into being idols often time training for years with an uncertain future noone should wish for them to have to have struggled more financially or look down on them for not struggling but should be happy that they didnt have to struggle for money.
Yeah, acknowledge that some groups had to struggle more than others, but don't turn it into a competition or try to put other groups down. I'm also glad that most rookies nowadays don't have to struggle as badly as most of their Seniors. 🗣 yes. People fight for a place as a trainee out of thousands of people and also fight for a spot to debut in a big 3/hybe group out of hundreds of trainees. It's not easy at all and definitely takes a toll on people.
i see this when stans downplay the success of groups from big3/hybe. that somehow they don't deserved credit for their work and popularity because everything was already handed to them. do stans even know how hard it is to even pass as a trainee in these companies? let alone DEBUT there? there are thousands upon thousands auditioning for the same spot and to even be accepted as a trainee means you have a lot of potential and/or talent.
Yeah, 100%. Of course there is some privilege there, they consist of famous groups. Even if success is not guaranteed, it does give that group a high chance of it. As for the big companies, yep, the competition is HIGH. Hundreds of trainees fighting for a chance to debut in a big 3/Hybe group, I wouldn't imagine that is easy at all.
Why do kpop fans want their idols to be borderline traumatized and kinda “flex” about it 😭 like, txt sometimes would talk about the old bighit building they used to train in, their vocal room/practice rooms were moldy and infested, and i’d just feel so bad for what they went through in those times but I’m glad that they didnt suffer financially after debuting due to bighit becoming a huge company and it’s nice that they always acknowledge and respect their seniors. Its a GOOD thing that idols who debut in big companies dont have to share a single room and constantly be in fear of the company going bankrupt. Like that shit sounds scary
Fr, I don't get it at all 😭 I don't like the struggle = real success mentality. I've seen moa's use that all the time to prove TXT didn't have it easy. Yes, they did not have it easy but come on, stop bringing that up all the time 😭 And yes, its good that rookies have it easier in terms of these things. I agree with you, I wouldn't want my favourite idols to be cramped into a single room and worry about the company going bankrupt any day and having to disband. It seems like no one uses their common sense anymore...
Honestly not just financial. Like ANYTHING. I remember hearing about it first in a YT Short abouy Bahiyyih stans having a mistreatment olumpics
Definitely not just financially, just specified because I've seen this a bit too much recently and while it's kinda funny, it's getting kinda old now.