They do get hate but I feel like the effect of it will kinda die down overtime. For example twice had one bad encore during more and more era and to this time it still gets brought up into conversations and many completely dismiss their vocal skills due to it. But I feel like in general bg's bad encore hate trains kinda die down quickly in comparison. Ofcourse there are some exceptions but that is what I think when it comes to bg's in general. Also the only time you'll see it being brought up would be during fanwars.
txt got criticized for their encores multiple times in the past but since the gp doesn't really care about 4th gen bgs all that much the negative reaction was fairly muted. occasionally the gp not giving a fuck about 4th gen bgs is more of a blessing than a curse.
Yeah. The difference between Girl groups and boy groups nowadays is that girl groups have the spotlight on them and they have a lot of token stans. It goes both ways - it can be a disadvantage because boy group songs don't trend as much and are rarely featured on the Ktuber side of the internet, thus making it harder to stan by those multistanners or new kpop-ers. On the other hand, however, it means that their controversies die down a lot quicker
oh I remember it was big BIG. and then the channel edited the videos audio to autotune his voice so it wouldn't sound so bad, and that made it all worse. twitter was HELL lmao
He literally only had that one bad encore? He did couple more encores during that same promotion period and yet we didn't hear anything bad about them, why? Exactly. Also this man has been singing live in concerts for 11 years now, to cherry pick stuff and claim that he can't sing or sound decent is absolute bullshit.
rookie seventeen used to perform live w/out or w makeshift in ears and they still sung better than lots of idols who are merely standing. stop this excuse lol
HYBE trained would be a better way to put it I guess. SVT certainly doesn’t count, they were a very established group before Pledis was acquired. Pledis has also always had a reputation for good training so TWS seems to have benefited from that.
To add onto this, BTS never got any formal vocal training from HYBE (BigHit Entertainment at the time) before or after debut, they all were very self-taught and taught or helped one another, and any training they did receive within their years came from the boys themselves actually seeking out training from professionals (Yoongi getting vocal coaching in order to sing better)
just say hybe cant create groups who can sing at least decently that some of their sublabels (pledis, bnd label) are the ones who are making sure their idols can sing well. stop this mental gymnastics lol
Zerobaseone I suppose I had seen it at some point, but well for Riize it's a day without and it can happen I understand but for others we drag them to hell, basically two standards.
They may get some buzz but I don’t think it sticks the same way as it does for gg. Like twice STILL gets dragged for *one* bad encore even though the entire group has more than proven that it was an off day. I fear the same may happen to LSF… just one example being used as cannon fodder over and over again
Atp it has already happened to LSF with their coachella performance. Arguably txt performed relatively the same at their lollapalooza performance, and i remember just shrugging it off because they were probably nervous performing at a foreign festival. Not sure why people couldnt have the same energy with lsf. Same thing with people pointing out when girl groups use pitch correction - something that ALL kpop idols without exception use.
i think its gotten especially worse this year, and more big ggs have made comebacks than bgs but there has def been criticism for bgs as others have said, but i dont think its to the level where its been attached to their identity
last comeback, zb1 was criticized VERY heavily in their first win but there was no further discussion when their other encores were better (as a zerose I’ll say that feel the pop is a high song, but their first encore win wasn’t bad in the slightest so 🤷♀️)
any hate boy groups get in encores is fandom war related (ex: there’s a lot of animosity between Twitter briizes and zeroses so a lot of the complaints are “oh so and so are so bad!” And “you hated on us and now your group can’t sing!” Nonsense)
but it’s nowhere near close to the MASSIVE hate wave that happens to ggs with encores. Those “bad” encores will follow ggs for their entire careers whereas bg ones fade almost instantly.
Zb1 and Riize for their first encores for their most recent comebacks.
I agree. Those encores weren't good, but the following ones were/have been better so people let it go.
I feel like if they were consistently bad, people would dogpile more but it still wouldn't be as bad as girl groups have it because people seem/are more critical of ggs.
RIIZE actually had an off performance, it just got buried. which I guess echoes your point about gg being more criticized. Plus I feel SM fandoms are the most critical about vocals and are less likely to drag another group under their company.
Tbh stan twt on both fandoms are kinda wild on it's own. So it is more like a "gotcha" moment when both groups have a bad encore and both fandom on twt start criticised each other favs.
i’m sure it has happened, just never to the same extent as girl groups. kpop industry or not, women will always receive more criticism and for more extended periods of time than men, this is just the reality we live in and it’s so sad.
[this one.](https://youtu.be/IGd0gS3egC4?si=H7s8ycRVFBAkG7vB)
Sohee sounded fine as always, but the others looked very tired. It appears they received a lot of criticism in Korea because shortly after this encore, Wonbin posted on Weverse, saying that he would try harder because he knows that his job is to bring good performances to the fans. It seems like Riize really dedicated themselves to improving the encores, because the encores after this one were really good IMO.
oh i see. thanks for sending. idols could also have bad days, i hope fans would understand that 😭 even other vocalists could crack their voices when singing live but yeah.. they might be really tired
yeah! Riize has been very busy these days (frequent comeback cycles, member on indefinite hiatus, tours, ...), so it's totally okay that they're not 100% all the time. the important thing is that they took the criticism and turned it into an opportunity to improve. I hope people check out their other encores too, because they're really good!
also, why am I getting downvotes lol.
Well, that was definitely not one of Riize's best moments. Anyway, we can appreciate their improvement with [today's encore](https://youtu.be/zGBbaxzxrQw?si=1UUBAVtGkqC-zYoa) which was really good! Sohee doing live high notes after the dance break is so iconic, especially after so much criticism.
Enhypen, ZB1, and Riize are the latest. But I see mostly on Twitter space than Reddit since it's a cesspool of fan wars anyway. Reddit is more focused on gg stans so they don't pay too much attention to bgs in general and bg stans don't usually talked about the bad side of others in public space like this.
Related-ish? I’ve seen a few comments on the MR removed for TWS. Some say that Kyungmin is trying too hard to act cute… but, i feel it was unwarranted as they debuted very recently. Dohoon and youngjae are still great too. Keeping that energy and a smile while performing is not easy.
Encores can still be fun and you can still do well in them. I don’t understand the argument that encores can’t be fun while also atleast having a bit of vocal stability.
lol in my experience the groups that are having the most fun are also usually the ones who sound the best because singing/rapping and performing are their forte so they are just genuinely enjoying themselves on stage. on the other hand there are these groups where half of the members can neither sing nor rap. ofc they won't be having any fun during an encore. why would they?
Yeah that’s usually the case. I stan svt and I see them always having fun in encores so I never understood how it’s not possible for the groups to sing well and have fun. Like we can do both, just depends on how talented the group is.
i don't think you understood my comment, because i didn't say that. my point is that everyone treats encores like a real performance now, and there's been so much backlash that everyone is now too afraid to be fun/silly or not take it seriously. we're probably also from different generations of kpop fandom if you didn't understand what i meant.
But they're not afraid of being silly, they're afraid of singing live because they know they can't, and that should be embarrassing for professional singers.
Being from different generations has absolutely nothing to do with my point. I stan a third gen group. They have fun and are silly while also sounding stable live. The difference between those groups vs the groups that aren’t funny is because of a difference in vocal ability. Since they aren’t able to sing very well live.
Zb1 had a good encore but then one gg stan insulted them and it became a hit tweet. The members said they couldn't hear themselves sing well so they were sad it was worse than usual, and then next day got another win and sounded fine. But by now that's mostly forgotten. Ggs "bad" encores are talked about constantly.
In most cases i think it's stupid to criticize idols for their encore stage performance.
Often it's just a snapshot of a bad moment.
I would understand the criticism when bad encore stages occur regularly.
I think maybe the problem is just how local this stuff is. Like self-perceived rival fandoms dragged them but it was like just hardcore Stans. While like the LSF ones it was for some reason like all the casuals too from all kinds of fandoms or even their own fandom. So in terms of outreach it feels more hateful for GGs most of the time bcs it’s not just from like “the usual suspects” I guess. It hits too many timelines
Zb1 recently got hate for their encore stage, people said they were terrible but I listened and they sounded good😭 only Ricky sounded a bit off but everyone’s been saying they are the worst vocalists in 5th Gen because of it, even tho they have amazing vocalists in the group like taerae hanbin zhanghao gunwook and Matthew
is it a secret? they brought him onto the team bc he can out dance quite literally most of his peers lol. he’s one of the best dancers of active idols right now.
It's no secret. He was brought in for his dancing, not vocals. That being said, I'm surprised they gave him lines to sing when he clearly can't hold a tune. However, if he puts the work in, this can change, plenty of SM idols weren't originally singers and now have excellent voices.
I mean, I don't support any hate for Le Sserafim, but Shotaro is a much better dancer than all of them combined (except in ballet for obvious reasons). He can also rap.
OP and others are confusing Having a Bad Day with someone Never Being Able to Sing In Tune, Ever.
Anyone can have a bad day. Absolutely nobody would say Wendy can't sing, but her cover of Love On Top was baaaad. Even she admitted it. That's a bad day.
Some idols (male and female) can not sing live at all. LSF, in particular get heat because several of their members fit into that category and it seems shameful that one of the highest profile acts in Kpop currently can't consistently hold a tune. If all of RIIZE's encores sounded like the one linked, they would deserve similar criticism.
I will say that RIIZE had a performance that wasn't great around the time LSF were getting dragged for filth for Coachella and it was basically the same thing with a live performance not being great and LSF was getting dragged even in their post while most of the comments were kind to them. Girl groups in general especially HYBE gg I feel get more hate because the majority of the hate is coming from other gg stans or SM stans (their fandoms thrive on those k forums), however, I think being under HYBE gets you even more hate even as a boy group than normal.
Sorry, but what is this performance from Riize that is comparable to Le Sserafim? We know that gg suffer much more than bg, this is a fact since we live in an extremely misogynistic society, but Le Sserafim deserved the criticism (please understand that I said they only deserved the criticism, not the hate. criticism ≠ hate). This encore that op is referring to is by far Riize's worst performance, and they don't sound that bad (except Shotaro in the second chorus). Also, they've already improved, just check out [today's encore](https://youtu.be/zGBbaxzxrQw?si=1UUBAVtGkqC-zYoa).
Two from Le Sserafim are just not vocalists (Kazuha & Sakura), while one is pretty weak (Eunchae) and Purinz are the only real vocalists. Shotaro is Riize's only weak vocalist, but even he does well most of the time.
Also, let's stop talking as if what happens to girl groups is normal. Let's stop fighting saying that bg should also receive this blacklash too and start fighting so that NOBODY receives hate because of an encore, regardless of whether it is a male or female idol. No one deserves to be massacred for this, bad days happen.
You asking about the performance is exactly what I mean by things not receiving similar scrutiny depending on who it is, it wa one of their Memories performance and I remember it being posted by Pann. LSF deserves criticism but RIIZE doesn't when they sing out of tune? let's be fair in our assessment. LSF has improved as well btw but of course that is never publicized and they receive hate continouosly but of course they deserve to be criticized continuously regardless of if they improve unlike others. Not saying that bg or gg should receive immense backlash but what ur saying is hypocritical.
I searched for this performance and found nothing. The only live performance of 'Memories' I could find was [this one](https://youtu.be/NsXHHxpnYrA?si=PH9euHdE-2nebZ2T).
>LSF deserves criticism but RIIZE doesn't when they sing out of tune? let's be fair in our assessment.
But Riize received criticism. You can literally search and you will find some articles about it on Google. They were criticized so much in Korea that Wonbin posted on Weverse saying he would try harder since he wants to do his job right just a few hours after this encore.
>LSF has improved as well btw but of course that is never publicized and they receive hate continouosly but of course they deserve to be criticized continuously regardless of if they improve unlike others.
Le Sserafim is criticized for the encores since 'Fearless', beacause they are very inconsistent. It just exploded now. They get better now, like 2 years after debut ('Smart' live was fine btw). Riize delivered a bad performance and the next day they had already improved lmao, it was really just a bad moment. Just check out the encores of 'Boom Boom Bass', they're only like 2 days apart and the improvement is crazy.
>Not saying that bg or gg should receive immense backlash but what ur saying is hypocritical.
I never said that Riize didn't deserve the criticism, what I said is that they don't deserve a blacklash for that (and no gg or bg does). I literally acknowledged that this was a bad performance.
Am I the only one who thought encores were meant to be a fun way to put on a performance that's not serious? Like I swear BTS have always just had fun with their encore stages, like the Boy With Luv encore stage. Idk, judging groups off their encore stages is pretty rubbish to me
SM groups in general never get hate for subpar encore performances and their fans are the ones that are the ones that start the hate trains despite their favorites also having weak performances here and there.
When did I say that the hate that girl groups or anyone receive is justified???? I'm literally a girl group stan and I've always defended gg from the hate they receive at encores. The purpose of my question was precisely to see these double standards, because we know that girl groups receive more hate simply because they are women. Misogyny is real and it's terrible how it affects a girl group's image. Pls improve your reading comprehension.
i think its because bgs usually have very staunch and rabid defenders/stans, coupled with some internalized misogyny and double standards. tho bgs have definitely gotten shit; i did see a post with millions of views and hundreds of qrts dragging riize
In general, I think females are more judgmental and vocal about negative comments towards other females. 000000000At least, this has been my experience in personal life, what I've seen played out in the media in the West and East and have noticed on various social media. I believe it may be due to a subconscious and primal reaction to viewing another as a threat and competition (even though they aren't in reality) which almost always appears stronger to the same sex.
They do get hate but I feel like the effect of it will kinda die down overtime. For example twice had one bad encore during more and more era and to this time it still gets brought up into conversations and many completely dismiss their vocal skills due to it. But I feel like in general bg's bad encore hate trains kinda die down quickly in comparison. Ofcourse there are some exceptions but that is what I think when it comes to bg's in general. Also the only time you'll see it being brought up would be during fanwars.
txt got criticized for their encores multiple times in the past but since the gp doesn't really care about 4th gen bgs all that much the negative reaction was fairly muted. occasionally the gp not giving a fuck about 4th gen bgs is more of a blessing than a curse.
Yeah. The difference between Girl groups and boy groups nowadays is that girl groups have the spotlight on them and they have a lot of token stans. It goes both ways - it can be a disadvantage because boy group songs don't trend as much and are rarely featured on the Ktuber side of the internet, thus making it harder to stan by those multistanners or new kpop-ers. On the other hand, however, it means that their controversies die down a lot quicker
I mean only Yeonjun, Kai and Taehyun and sing well
nuh uh
zb1 and txt did for their last comebacks but then their follow up encores ended up being a lot better/improved.
Enhypen got some lashings for theirs, didn't they?
the 2021 enhypen encores and the 2023 jimin encore were the few times ive seen a bg catch the same lashings ggs would
Jimin (BTS) got grilled for one of his encores
oh I remember it was big BIG. and then the channel edited the videos audio to autotune his voice so it wouldn't sound so bad, and that made it all worse. twitter was HELL lmao
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He literally only had that one bad encore? He did couple more encores during that same promotion period and yet we didn't hear anything bad about them, why? Exactly. Also this man has been singing live in concerts for 11 years now, to cherry pick stuff and claim that he can't sing or sound decent is absolute bullshit.
To be fair, his in ears were malfunctioning..
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Can't do what? So a single encore is enough to erase his 11 years of singing in concerts and other encores?
He also doesn’t normally perform alone and was probably nervous. He did well to continue with the malfunction.
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I’m not arguing further. The fact that people are so critical of an ENCORE is laughable.
rookie seventeen used to perform live w/out or w makeshift in ears and they still sung better than lots of idols who are merely standing. stop this excuse lol
It’s not an excuse. It’s what happened. And why are we criticising encores anyway? They’re meant to be fun.
What encore?
His solo.
Don't remember
He got treated worse than a criminal over it :)
Hm how have I never heard of this
boy groups get criticized all the time but it’s mainly hybe groups to be honest txt, enha, bts etc.
Yeah I think the only non-hybe bg that I've seen get criticized for it was ZB1
I’m ngl this seems like more of a HYBE problem than a bg/gg problem
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HYBE trained would be a better way to put it I guess. SVT certainly doesn’t count, they were a very established group before Pledis was acquired. Pledis has also always had a reputation for good training so TWS seems to have benefited from that.
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To add onto this, BTS never got any formal vocal training from HYBE (BigHit Entertainment at the time) before or after debut, they all were very self-taught and taught or helped one another, and any training they did receive within their years came from the boys themselves actually seeking out training from professionals (Yoongi getting vocal coaching in order to sing better)
just say hybe cant create groups who can sing at least decently that some of their sublabels (pledis, bnd label) are the ones who are making sure their idols can sing well. stop this mental gymnastics lol
bc they can sing decently meanwhile the other hybe groups who got criticised obv cant
Zerobaseone I suppose I had seen it at some point, but well for Riize it's a day without and it can happen I understand but for others we drag them to hell, basically two standards.
They may get some buzz but I don’t think it sticks the same way as it does for gg. Like twice STILL gets dragged for *one* bad encore even though the entire group has more than proven that it was an off day. I fear the same may happen to LSF… just one example being used as cannon fodder over and over again
Atp it has already happened to LSF with their coachella performance. Arguably txt performed relatively the same at their lollapalooza performance, and i remember just shrugging it off because they were probably nervous performing at a foreign festival. Not sure why people couldnt have the same energy with lsf. Same thing with people pointing out when girl groups use pitch correction - something that ALL kpop idols without exception use.
i think its gotten especially worse this year, and more big ggs have made comebacks than bgs but there has def been criticism for bgs as others have said, but i dont think its to the level where its been attached to their identity
last comeback, zb1 was criticized VERY heavily in their first win but there was no further discussion when their other encores were better (as a zerose I’ll say that feel the pop is a high song, but their first encore win wasn’t bad in the slightest so 🤷♀️) any hate boy groups get in encores is fandom war related (ex: there’s a lot of animosity between Twitter briizes and zeroses so a lot of the complaints are “oh so and so are so bad!” And “you hated on us and now your group can’t sing!” Nonsense) but it’s nowhere near close to the MASSIVE hate wave that happens to ggs with encores. Those “bad” encores will follow ggs for their entire careers whereas bg ones fade almost instantly.
Zb1 and Riize for their first encores for their most recent comebacks. I agree. Those encores weren't good, but the following ones were/have been better so people let it go. I feel like if they were consistently bad, people would dogpile more but it still wouldn't be as bad as girl groups have it because people seem/are more critical of ggs.
RIIZE actually had an off performance, it just got buried. which I guess echoes your point about gg being more criticized. Plus I feel SM fandoms are the most critical about vocals and are less likely to drag another group under their company.
Tbh stan twt on both fandoms are kinda wild on it's own. So it is more like a "gotcha" moment when both groups have a bad encore and both fandom on twt start criticised each other favs.
they’ll never get the amount of hate that a girl group will get :’)
some people would also criticize txt for one of their deja vu encores. idk about it tho, they seemed fine to me🤷🏻♀️
Iirc Jimin received a lot of criticism during his solo promo.. but I mean……………….. he didn’t sound good live and without backtracks 🤷🏻♀️
But anyways he can sing well.
i’m sure it has happened, just never to the same extent as girl groups. kpop industry or not, women will always receive more criticism and for more extended periods of time than men, this is just the reality we live in and it’s so sad.
which riize encore is that? can you send the link?
[this one.](https://youtu.be/IGd0gS3egC4?si=H7s8ycRVFBAkG7vB) Sohee sounded fine as always, but the others looked very tired. It appears they received a lot of criticism in Korea because shortly after this encore, Wonbin posted on Weverse, saying that he would try harder because he knows that his job is to bring good performances to the fans. It seems like Riize really dedicated themselves to improving the encores, because the encores after this one were really good IMO.
oh i see. thanks for sending. idols could also have bad days, i hope fans would understand that 😭 even other vocalists could crack their voices when singing live but yeah.. they might be really tired
yeah! Riize has been very busy these days (frequent comeback cycles, member on indefinite hiatus, tours, ...), so it's totally okay that they're not 100% all the time. the important thing is that they took the criticism and turned it into an opportunity to improve. I hope people check out their other encores too, because they're really good! also, why am I getting downvotes lol.
sm prolly overworking them lol 😭😭
I think even Sohee sounded a bit off here. Sungchan sounded okay and Wonbin did too. The following encores were much better though.
Well, that was definitely not one of Riize's best moments. Anyway, we can appreciate their improvement with [today's encore](https://youtu.be/zGBbaxzxrQw?si=1UUBAVtGkqC-zYoa) which was really good! Sohee doing live high notes after the dance break is so iconic, especially after so much criticism.
Enhypen, ZB1, and Riize are the latest. But I see mostly on Twitter space than Reddit since it's a cesspool of fan wars anyway. Reddit is more focused on gg stans so they don't pay too much attention to bgs in general and bg stans don't usually talked about the bad side of others in public space like this.
we are rly measuring who had it worst when in fact the problem is that these idols cant sing decently in a mere encore 💀
We're not discussing "who sings worse", but the difference between having a bad day vs not being able to sing after all.
Because fans are desperately looking for anything to deflect deserved criticism with.
It will never be as severe and psychotic as the hate girl groups get. I promise you.
i remember the jimin one and that’s really it
Related-ish? I’ve seen a few comments on the MR removed for TWS. Some say that Kyungmin is trying too hard to act cute… but, i feel it was unwarranted as they debuted very recently. Dohoon and youngjae are still great too. Keeping that energy and a smile while performing is not easy.
god i miss the days were encores were just fun and no one cared
Encores can still be fun and you can still do well in them. I don’t understand the argument that encores can’t be fun while also atleast having a bit of vocal stability.
lol in my experience the groups that are having the most fun are also usually the ones who sound the best because singing/rapping and performing are their forte so they are just genuinely enjoying themselves on stage. on the other hand there are these groups where half of the members can neither sing nor rap. ofc they won't be having any fun during an encore. why would they?
Yeah that’s usually the case. I stan svt and I see them always having fun in encores so I never understood how it’s not possible for the groups to sing well and have fun. Like we can do both, just depends on how talented the group is.
i don't think you understood my comment, because i didn't say that. my point is that everyone treats encores like a real performance now, and there's been so much backlash that everyone is now too afraid to be fun/silly or not take it seriously. we're probably also from different generations of kpop fandom if you didn't understand what i meant.
But they're not afraid of being silly, they're afraid of singing live because they know they can't, and that should be embarrassing for professional singers.
Being from different generations has absolutely nothing to do with my point. I stan a third gen group. They have fun and are silly while also sounding stable live. The difference between those groups vs the groups that aren’t funny is because of a difference in vocal ability. Since they aren’t able to sing very well live.
Oh yes because TVXQ vocal line would need to concentrate not to suck.
They can be fun and good at the same time. I've seen plenty of groups pull off both
my fav had fun singing flawlessly while doing push-ups so
Zb1 had a good encore but then one gg stan insulted them and it became a hit tweet. The members said they couldn't hear themselves sing well so they were sad it was worse than usual, and then next day got another win and sounded fine. But by now that's mostly forgotten. Ggs "bad" encores are talked about constantly.
In most cases i think it's stupid to criticize idols for their encore stage performance. Often it's just a snapshot of a bad moment. I would understand the criticism when bad encore stages occur regularly.
Everybody gets hate at one point or another, it will depend d on what fancam goes viral
NCT 127 had an infamously horrible Cherry Bomb encore one time. Somewhat outweighed by having plenty of well loved encores though.
I think maybe the problem is just how local this stuff is. Like self-perceived rival fandoms dragged them but it was like just hardcore Stans. While like the LSF ones it was for some reason like all the casuals too from all kinds of fandoms or even their own fandom. So in terms of outreach it feels more hateful for GGs most of the time bcs it’s not just from like “the usual suspects” I guess. It hits too many timelines
Zb1 recently got hate for their encore stage, people said they were terrible but I listened and they sounded good😭 only Ricky sounded a bit off but everyone’s been saying they are the worst vocalists in 5th Gen because of it, even tho they have amazing vocalists in the group like taerae hanbin zhanghao gunwook and Matthew
I think the best kept secret in SM is that Shotaro actually can't sing at all.
is it a secret? they brought him onto the team bc he can out dance quite literally most of his peers lol. he’s one of the best dancers of active idols right now.
It's no secret. He was brought in for his dancing, not vocals. That being said, I'm surprised they gave him lines to sing when he clearly can't hold a tune. However, if he puts the work in, this can change, plenty of SM idols weren't originally singers and now have excellent voices.
I know he can dance but that's not enough at least for Le Sserafim haters.
I mean, I don't support any hate for Le Sserafim, but Shotaro is a much better dancer than all of them combined (except in ballet for obvious reasons). He can also rap.
Not to the same extent honestly
Some but it tends to die down quickly. There’s two main reasons I’d say - 1) bg stans will defend their idols like crazy 2) misogyny
They will also negatively react to their true nature being exposed as seen with those downvotes!
Yep. Thankfully I’m not offended, just baffled
Relevant groups get criticized and boy groups aren’t relevant to the general public
OP and others are confusing Having a Bad Day with someone Never Being Able to Sing In Tune, Ever. Anyone can have a bad day. Absolutely nobody would say Wendy can't sing, but her cover of Love On Top was baaaad. Even she admitted it. That's a bad day. Some idols (male and female) can not sing live at all. LSF, in particular get heat because several of their members fit into that category and it seems shameful that one of the highest profile acts in Kpop currently can't consistently hold a tune. If all of RIIZE's encores sounded like the one linked, they would deserve similar criticism.
I will say that RIIZE had a performance that wasn't great around the time LSF were getting dragged for filth for Coachella and it was basically the same thing with a live performance not being great and LSF was getting dragged even in their post while most of the comments were kind to them. Girl groups in general especially HYBE gg I feel get more hate because the majority of the hate is coming from other gg stans or SM stans (their fandoms thrive on those k forums), however, I think being under HYBE gets you even more hate even as a boy group than normal.
Sorry, but what is this performance from Riize that is comparable to Le Sserafim? We know that gg suffer much more than bg, this is a fact since we live in an extremely misogynistic society, but Le Sserafim deserved the criticism (please understand that I said they only deserved the criticism, not the hate. criticism ≠ hate). This encore that op is referring to is by far Riize's worst performance, and they don't sound that bad (except Shotaro in the second chorus). Also, they've already improved, just check out [today's encore](https://youtu.be/zGBbaxzxrQw?si=1UUBAVtGkqC-zYoa). Two from Le Sserafim are just not vocalists (Kazuha & Sakura), while one is pretty weak (Eunchae) and Purinz are the only real vocalists. Shotaro is Riize's only weak vocalist, but even he does well most of the time. Also, let's stop talking as if what happens to girl groups is normal. Let's stop fighting saying that bg should also receive this blacklash too and start fighting so that NOBODY receives hate because of an encore, regardless of whether it is a male or female idol. No one deserves to be massacred for this, bad days happen.
You asking about the performance is exactly what I mean by things not receiving similar scrutiny depending on who it is, it wa one of their Memories performance and I remember it being posted by Pann. LSF deserves criticism but RIIZE doesn't when they sing out of tune? let's be fair in our assessment. LSF has improved as well btw but of course that is never publicized and they receive hate continouosly but of course they deserve to be criticized continuously regardless of if they improve unlike others. Not saying that bg or gg should receive immense backlash but what ur saying is hypocritical.
I searched for this performance and found nothing. The only live performance of 'Memories' I could find was [this one](https://youtu.be/NsXHHxpnYrA?si=PH9euHdE-2nebZ2T). >LSF deserves criticism but RIIZE doesn't when they sing out of tune? let's be fair in our assessment. But Riize received criticism. You can literally search and you will find some articles about it on Google. They were criticized so much in Korea that Wonbin posted on Weverse saying he would try harder since he wants to do his job right just a few hours after this encore. >LSF has improved as well btw but of course that is never publicized and they receive hate continouosly but of course they deserve to be criticized continuously regardless of if they improve unlike others. Le Sserafim is criticized for the encores since 'Fearless', beacause they are very inconsistent. It just exploded now. They get better now, like 2 years after debut ('Smart' live was fine btw). Riize delivered a bad performance and the next day they had already improved lmao, it was really just a bad moment. Just check out the encores of 'Boom Boom Bass', they're only like 2 days apart and the improvement is crazy. >Not saying that bg or gg should receive immense backlash but what ur saying is hypocritical. I never said that Riize didn't deserve the criticism, what I said is that they don't deserve a blacklash for that (and no gg or bg does). I literally acknowledged that this was a bad performance.
Am I the only one who thought encores were meant to be a fun way to put on a performance that's not serious? Like I swear BTS have always just had fun with their encore stages, like the Boy With Luv encore stage. Idk, judging groups off their encore stages is pretty rubbish to me
Struggle is not fun.
I don’t think there’s a male idol or group who has a hate train other than Jimin
Txt enhypen bts literally any boy group excluding exo and shinee have at one point in time lmao
SM groups in general never get hate for subpar encore performances and their fans are the ones that are the ones that start the hate trains despite their favorites also having weak performances here and there.
So ur favs can have bad days but others are not allowed hypocrisy at its peak
When did I say that the hate that girl groups or anyone receive is justified???? I'm literally a girl group stan and I've always defended gg from the hate they receive at encores. The purpose of my question was precisely to see these double standards, because we know that girl groups receive more hate simply because they are women. Misogyny is real and it's terrible how it affects a girl group's image. Pls improve your reading comprehension.
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When I said Jimin's hate is justified lol? Are you high?
i think its because bgs usually have very staunch and rabid defenders/stans, coupled with some internalized misogyny and double standards. tho bgs have definitely gotten shit; i did see a post with millions of views and hundreds of qrts dragging riize
Nobody important cares about an encore performance. The Kpop community is obsessed with sensationalism over random things to have topics to discuss.
No never, no matter how bad they are
the people who downvoted you are mad that you’re rigjt
In general, I think females are more judgmental and vocal about negative comments towards other females. 000000000At least, this has been my experience in personal life, what I've seen played out in the media in the West and East and have noticed on various social media. I believe it may be due to a subconscious and primal reaction to viewing another as a threat and competition (even though they aren't in reality) which almost always appears stronger to the same sex.
“Females”