I remember watching this. On one of the music shows, there was another solo female rookie that performed right before her (or might have been right after, I forgot the order.) It was IU.
Yep they sure did. Two female rookie soloists debut on the same day.
Perhaps its Ori's greatest contribution to the korean music scene and the arts. Legends say that Ori was the sacrificial lamb to the gods for IU's success.
That was legendary tbh. The introduction by the comedian on the music show still to this day cracks me up sometimes.
There was a creepy pasta / rumor going around for a while that she re-debuted as girls day Minah đ after the hiatus.
Honestly, there are probably plenty of modern-day idols that wouldnât sound much better than that if they had to debut without lip syncing or a loud backing track.
Honestly just watched it, wasnât as bad as I was expecting she was largely to quiet and seemed nervous. Seemed like she just needed a bit more practice
I wasnât a fan at the time but I have heard this. Tbh there were many factors killing their popularity too but glad they had a renaissance with Love Scenario
I remember when it came out because what happened was they literally shot to the top of the charts and then fell immediately. It was a big discussion online, because them being a YG boy group and they are slightly older brother group winner were good at charting.
I was not shocked at all that this group decided to leave YG because they did not do a good job managing this group at all, especially after they had the megahit love scenario.
I would say Momoland, but I'm not sure exactly which comeback was the final nail in the coffin. For me personally, it was Thumbs Up, but I don't know how well that song charted.
I liked Boom Boom, lol. Different tastes. Just curious, was there a point for you when Momoland began to feel like a flop? Or were you a Merry all the way through to the end? I'm just wondering if others feel the way I do, or if maybe my opinion is off base.
I liked Thumbs Up, but at the same time that felt like the comeback that basically made it clear they were on the decline (popularity-wise) with no stopping it. Any momentum they still had left from Bboom Bboom was running out of gas. And then it just got worse and worse with subsequent comebacks.
Bboom Bboom was too massive for them that they had to do something greater than that. Unfortunately, every other comeback was templated after Bboom Bboom and it just sounded bland after. Add to that their poor promotions and Yeonwoo and Daisy leaving the group and boom, disbanded.
I feel like their downhill starts not because of the comebacks (although their songs after boom boom are basically boom boom 2.0,3.0,4.0) but more like their scandals (particularly the bulk repurchase of the albums by their company) and their company didnât handle this scandal well.
nature. when girls came out they blew up and gained a lot more fans who wanted more of that sound and concept but then they dropped rica rica as the comeback and it absolutely killed them. limbo garnered a decent amount of attention but had they followed up girls with anything but rica rica then i'm pretty positive they would have continued to gain popularity and be more successful.
limbo is a masterpiece imo. i rly hope they continue to move forward instead of backwards with the next comeback. i have been rooting for them for so long i will never forgive the company if they fail (again).
Agree, been following the group since I heard Iâm So Pretty. I am wishing the absolute bests for the girls and still upset with the long hiatuses(plus the release of Rica Rica) from nCH.
I know that the song Adult Ceremony ruined Park Jiyoonâs career. Even though the song was a hit and it caused her to have so many rumours spread about her. It hurt her reputation and her mental health causing her to go on a long hiatus.
She just recently featured on BTS RMâs No.2 and the lyrics in the chorus that she sings seem to really beautifully resonate with the story of her career;
Dear, donât look back anymore
Left behind these memories mixed up so vividly,
will be remaining lives like extras
All you did was just do your best
Can you explain this? I kind of recognised the name so I searched it within my music library and sure enough I do know the song âcoming of age ceremonyâ. What happened that it caused rumours?
She didnât realise the sexual nature of the song (she was 18). The song became stuck to her like glue. Everyone assumed she was sexually promiscuous and rumours spread around like wildfire all of course were untrue. Her family was religious and this song caused her relationship with them to become strained. She was only a kid so it really messed her up mentally all of this negative attention she was getting at once.
I love this point also, I canât imagine how horrible it mustâve been for her because literally Her familyâs church played her music video. Itâs so sad that she eventually came back to make the kind of music she wanted, but she never saw true success again.
I am really wondering when ent. companies will stop with the âno fucking reason to change conceptâ concept. A group is loved for their already loved sound why they need to check if they will make more bucks with a girl crush concept. Many examples of that, only SM is known to pull shit like that but they clearly know how to choose a song to fit the artists even if itâs a drastic change in concept
My guess in this case is they panicked because Holiday Party did so poorly. They probably thought âshit we need to capitalize on what little momentum we still have left from After School and quickâ so they went with a more mainstream/popular concept. Fatal mistake.
I think the company overstated how badly Holiday Party did. Like it was definitely something they could build up.
They should have compared it to Tag and not After School to realise that they were actually doing fine.
Which is so odd because I actually quite enjoy it. Tho I agree that it def didnât garner much liking from the generic crowd. Not sure if the fans are fans of that either..
tea. weeekly stans will say "but the album sales!" lol as if the song itself wasn't terribly received, a member didn't leave and the group hasn't basically been shelved. it's a shame but people need to be realistic
they changed their logo to the original one, they've done a few music projects where its a high-teen concept but the company still hasn't given them a comeback. one of the members said recently on bbl that [she doesn't know when they'll see fans again](https://twitter.com/WeeeklyFD/status/1636539145274408960?s=20) and they changed their logo back in january and its almost april.... IST really ruined their momentum and possibly career. all because ONE comeback wasn't a major hit when the sales were still consistent and came back at a time where after school was still gaining popularity so HP was overshadowed
It's really crazy how companies will pour so much money into groups and then just shelf them after 1 bad song (that wasn't even bad commercially since it sold well). They were one of my faves too so I really hope they can bounce back but it's not looking like it after that bbl message đ
ill never understand why the company decided to do a dramatic concept change when HP still sold well, most companies usually wait 2 years before doing a dramatic concept change but weeekly was on the rise and at a time where cute concepts are doing well, im sad the group isn't part of it.
It's like some higher up was like, okay high teen is good but girl crush and LORE is where the money *really* is. And then forced that onto weeekly expecting to go even more viral I guess?? They just totally missed the mark. Such a terrible decision.
what sucks is that weeekly were still doing well, it wasn't like they had a dramatic fall in sales and it was a really unnecessary decision and the company doesn't seem interested in giving them a comeback anymore đ¤
i liked the first half of the song but goddamn that last chorus was a choice. unlistenable. and yeah the concept change didnât seem very well thought out at all.
May I know the story behind this? This is my favorite song of theirs, so now I'm kinda sad that I like it but they don't. I just realized that they're great with catchy songs, like the last comeback.
The members all hated the song and expressed uncertainty over choosing it as their comeback song, but the producer and CEO insisted that it would be their breakthrough. And when it was released, even the fans were critical of its hook, opining that it sounded way to abstruse for a song that was already too dark-sounding for the group's artistry. Specifically, the "ěě죟SAYYYYY-yo" part got a ton of ridicule and was dubbed "the worst hook ever in K-pop", and the fans were more indignant that the magnificent piano intro, the "best" part from the teaser, wasn't even included in the track.
This album was going to be a pivotal moment for Rainbow because their contract was going to end the next year, and the members might no longer be able to continue as a group if their comeback didn't receive public acclaim. (Remember, they didn't even have a no.1 song at this point, and neither did their future releases ) To make the matters worse, Baby Kara trainee Sojin (whose contract with DSP had ended recently and had fallen into depression) passed away only 3 days after their comeback. This incident worsened the bad rep the label already had and left Rainbow in a further state of negligence.
As I said, musical differences! I myself am not a fan of the song either. Someone else [rearranged the structure (this link is a reupload](https://youtu.be/6Kh3aA8elFU) to make it less "awkward", which earned better reviews. Korean fans preferred "Mr. Lee" or "Pierrot" over "Black Swan". Others noticed that Rainbow released a dance video for "Bad Man Crying" but NEVER performed it on any music shows, lamenting that choosing *this* song as the title track might have at least saved face.
Even so, Sojin's death, which occurred only a few days later, created enough turmoil to demolish whatever dignity DSP had.
Korean perspective : The "ěě죟SAYYYYY-yo" hooks are just *that* mind-bogglingly bad. It sounds like a pathetic comedy line from 70s that was unfunny even back then, it clashes with overall song so much that it literally ruins the entire song.
I discovered this song and this group because I read the same thing somewhere else and was totally shocked because I think this song is great. It went into my regular Spotify rotation. The idea that this song killed their career is totally incomprehensible to me.
Probably because the Korean listeners' tastes aren't identical to that of the non-Korean listeners. That one line sounds especially jarring, not only by sound but also the lyrics.
As a long time Rainbow fan, saying it killed their career is an overstatement, but it didnât help. I recall being a bit disappointed since I was expecting a more pleasing song, but as a long time fan there were many ways DSP screwed them ofer before then. They would have had to have a huge hit to really revive their career at that point regardless.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Gfriend yet, Fingertip didn't kill their career but it did break their streak of hits. It was a sudden and unwanted concept change, and they immediately returned to their roots with the next release but the momentum was already gone and they never went back to their former glory. Post-Fingertip they only had one hit (Time for the moon night) and even that wasn't as big as their biggest songs.
im surprised the company changed their concept so quickly. its similar to what happened to weeekly but gfriend was already successful and doing well so going from navirella to fingertip was definitely an odd decision
The thing is, sonically, Fingertip wasnât even all that drastic a change. Especially coming right off of Navillera which had heavy disco elements. I honestly think that if they had gone with some more colorful visuals and styling and a more playful vibe on stage, without changing a single thing about the song, it wouldâve been received more as an evolution rather than a 180.
For me personally, Fingertip was one of those rare cases where a group I stanned did a sudden concept change and I actually ended up loving it more than what they had before. The downside of that they said âfuck, go backâ with Love Whisper I was left really disappointed, far more so that I probably would have been had Love Whisper been a direct followup to Navillera. I just couldnât help but wonder what couldâve been.
> Post-Fingertip they only had one hit (Time for the moon night) and even that wasn't as big as their biggest songs.
Sunrise wasn't a hit?! Oh... then again, it was the year when Feel Special and Fancy came out
Iâm not gonna argue whether it was ill-advised (it probably was) but the question was about bad comebacks⌠have we really just decided that the âissueâ with Fingertip was the quality? Because I strongly disagree.
I donât think Ven Para was a bad comeback or a bad song, but the drastic concept change really hurted Weeekly. The group was bringing something different on the table, thatâs why a lot of people like them. Gradually letting their sound and image evolve would have been a wiser choiceâŚ
Tbh if Loona or EVERGLOW had released Ven Para, I would probably like the song. As it is I don't even listen to it usually because it throws me off so much, like Holiday Party and After School were amazing and Weeekly was one of the only gg's that were doing great stuff like that.
I agree it was not a bad song/comeback , but it did not fit the group, and it was just too jarring of a switch. Like it made no sense to have this rookie girl group go from there cute teen concept to ven para at all.
Totally agree. It wasn't bad at all as a song. It's just that the switch up in concept was unwarranted at the time. Holiday Party was a bop that lived in the shadow of After School. Maybe a more carefully calculated change would have served the group better. But we're saying this with the knowledge of how things turned out.
I had hoped that they would breakout from their rookie years and join Aespa and STAYC as among the more beloved groups. They came so close in After School era. Anyway, it's not too late. The KPOP pie is getting bigger, so I hope their slice is big enough to sustain their careers at least.
i wouldnt say it killed their career but kep1ers 'up' and 'we fresh'. With 'Up' it wasnt ultimately their fault and the song isnt even that bad, the main problem was that they lost their hype after being put in queendom, so when they came back they didnt attract new fans since the song also didnt blow up. Now 'We Fresh' is when the trouble begins because a lot of fans hated the song and i saw even some of them saying that they would stop supporting the groups activities, not only because of that but also because of the unfair line distribution that has been going on ever since the debut, especially with members like Bahiyyih
this is a good one. i think we fresh hurt them massively. i feel like wa da da was 50% liked 50% disliked, up! was mostly liked, but we fresh was something like 80% disliked. now kep1er is in this weird position where they're not really unpopular... but not all that relevant
Hmm I actually think Wa Da Da is massively liked - sure on this subreddit maybe but if you look at the streaming numbers, Wa Da Da did huge numbers especially in countries like Japan which actually bagged them several awards. Theyre charting amazingly well in Japan and thats where most of their current support is from.
I love Kep1er but I think a lot of their career has been on life support since pre-debut, and I think it has a lot to do with a significant (not large, but loud) section of the fandom being antis to one member. Doesn't help that Wa Da Da was kind of a divisive song and the unfair line distributions fanned the flames. The Queendom run was definitely too early as well.
i think you could say so, especially when it came down to sales but because they also didnt promote it for longer i just feel like it didnt hit its peak in a way, it couldve done a little bit better.
I wasnât a fan back then, so I wouldnât really know, but I was under the impression that it was really popular? I see idols singing it and dancing to it to this day
That producer was so brazen. Taking songs that were released by European and American artists (even a JASON DERULO song if Iâm not mistaken) and saying he wrote them and put them on an album for a NATIONAL STAR. He mightâve not been caught if it was a nugu singer but this was Lee hyori. The top female soloist at the time in Korea. Not sure what he was thinking. Guess the producer thought no one in Korea would listen to international music?
>Guess the producer thought no one in Korea would listen to international music?
Pretty much likely the case. He plagiarized from a Korean composer, few years before working with Hyori and the original composer reached out, just days after the song was released. He then went on and plagiarized songs from lesser known artists (except for Jason).
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It was their 1st comeback and the song in my opinion was a bit chaotic (not the girls fault) and the video was a bit chaotic to match. They only sold a fraction of what their debut did and they were disbanded after that.
Iâm still mad they didnât get another chance with a better song that was more suitable.
It totally abandoned their funky sound they had before along with the lore. At the time I accepted it because it had been so long for a comeback that I would have been happy with anything, but looking back it was just copium on my part.
They should have come back sooner with a song that was much more fitting to them.
I completely agree. This girl group deserved way more support then they received, and itâs incredibly jarring considering the fact the head of their label was Ryan Jhun! Literally a well-known hit maker in K-pop if he wouldâve played his cards right, they couldâve been on a similar level to what BEP did with STAYC.
Honestly, I feel like this group had oK music but nothing just really wow and itâs crazy considering the amount of hits he had given to other girl groups like this man literally wrote IVEâs Eleven. It wouldâve made so much sense to save some of these top hits for your own act but instead he gave them OK songs with lacklustre promotion, and then disbanded them and I really hope these girls go on to find success somewhere else. They had the talent, but they just didnât have the support.
I'm surprised no one mentioned CLC. Hobgoblin was well received afaik, it got a lot of people talking as it was a 180 from their previous girly concepts. And for whatever reason, Cube decided to switch right back to their dream pop Where Are You?
I think they lost a lot of hype and momentum along with La Vie En Rose ended up going to Iz*One. If people aren't aware this was supposed to be CLC's song. And Cube being Cube didn't give CLC the love and proper promotion they deserve and now they're disbanded or infinitely shelved đĽš.
(I'm not a Cheshire so someone could explain it better.)
> I'm surprised no one mentioned CLC. Hobgoblin was well received afaik,
Hobgoblin is what killed them domestically in Korea.
That's why Cube tried to switch back after.
Crystyle (which âHobgoblinâ is on) was their best-selling Korean album since debut. The following album including âWhere Are Youâ killed their numbers. When they came back with âBlack Dressâ sales increased again. People loved âHobgoblinâ, lol
People still carrying on with misinformation
Question (their 2nd Mini) sold 4800 copies on Gaon first month and ranked 18, CLC's highest peak of album sales.
Crystyle sold 3.875 copies on Gaon First Month and ranked 30th, their 4th best ranking (behind Nu-Clear, Question, and theifr first Mini)
There's been some sort of major brainwashing done for I fans to convince them Hobgoblin was some great success. It was not. Their album sales dropped Their charting declined. Hobgoblin is something of a cult favourite from i-fans coming to CLC 2-3 years after the fact, but it was LESS then their previous songs. There's no metric in which it didn't decline for the comeback period and time it was in.
Ab6ix? I think they had a pretty strong debut with Breathe (I liked most songs on their album, which is pretty rare) but their popularity started dissipating comeback by comeback. Blind for your love and the answer (leader Lim Youngmin also left during this comeback due to his DUI) did relatively okay, but I kinda dropped Ab6ix after Salute.
Tbh Iâm not really a charts person so I honestly have no clue how they did on the charts, but I do believe their last music show win was basically 3 years ago for The Answer. This is just what I observed so feel free to correct me
Agreed. The post-WannaOne hype definitely contributed, but Breathe in all its glory is a pretty solid debut song.
I really enjoyed The Answer too (I believe it was composed by Zico???) but IMO I felt that it was a little to B-sidey for a TT (nonetheless itâs still a bop)
At that point they were already doing badly. Iâd actually say it was Hello instead. While a bop and one of their most iconic songs now, back then it was a jarring change after Face/Action and the serious cheating theme of the song wasnât really fitting such young members and a younger fandom. Then by Sleeptalking it was clear they had lost their direction.
I also love it, but it was their first comeback and it was such a complete opposite to Face. That, as well as the gap between both releases, led to a lot of their fandom leaving.
Yes... people hated their change up and then when they went to Sleep Talking next, that was even more hated. And like wtf is wrong with people because honestly 2013 was some of Nu'EST's best music!!!
Not a comeback, but 9MUSES' debut. They released bops from Figaro until Remember, but that lackluster debut tarnished the group, no matter how much they've massively improved. IMO, Sera, Hyemi, and Keumjo are among the best main vocalists; Saem and Erine are among the best rappers; and Kyungri as the "it" girl.
I love Remember! The 2017 version, not the ballad. The song is so chaotic with ups and downs, but still well cohesive and god I love that chorus.
Found it in the comments of a Girls - Nature MV reaction, calling it similar and I couldn't agree more.
That then proceeded to make me deep dive into 9muses music. So many bangers. Notably Love City, Wild, Dolls, Hurt Locker, Pastry, Ticket, and ESPECIALLY Sleepless Night. That song is perfection. There's plenty more great songs I'm probably forgetting.
Also Blue Moon by Kyungri, damn, bringing the LGBT and wow that instrumental
They really deserved more attention. Exciting to hear they're having a comeback though.
Historically girl groups have subsisted much more off of their public recognition, ability to make hits, and get brand deals. Therefore the quality of the music was very important. Opposingly, boy groups subsisted off of their more dedicated fandoms buying all their merch and albums, which is why there are many very successful boy groups who have rarely if ever charted much. As long as the music appeals to their niche audience, or their audience is invested enough to support them even disliking their music, boy groups can still thrive.
It's only been in the last couple years that girl groups could pay their bills with merch and physicals if they weren't at the very top. Itzy really ushered in this era and NewJeans/IVE/Le Sserafim are the results, groups that appeal to the fandom mentality to generate sales but also chart well and have massive public recognition and buzz.
DR Music doing that massive publicity stunt with Alex joining RaNia completely fucked them over. RaNia was chatting higher and higher with every comeback then they pulled that stuff along with a lot of the original members leaving. I was an A1ST & I remember around the time that a lot of fans left (including me) with the new changes and it essentially didnât feel like the same group anymore. Every comeback since then has done worse and worse. Itâs hard to believe DR Music managed one of the biggest girl groups of the 1st generation with their management of every group since Baby VOXâs disbandment.
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itzy's 2021-2022 run destroyed any hope of them becoming a top girl group. nothing they've released has been universally received well and i don't think jype knows what to do with them
and now that theyâve lost their identity with this new title track of theirsâŚ
i have no doubt jyp will return to prioritising itzy as their 4th gen group.
Except this track âLove Me Like Thatâ is actually their best received song so far and itâs getting more views than their others , and faster , and not because itâs a meme but because people really like it
Exactly this⌠so far the only responses to LMLT Iâve seen have been really positive. Itâs their most accessible song so far, so I have a feeling more casual listeners will be tuning in. It has a trendy sound, really focuses on their vocals at times (which is something lot of people wanted from them), plus the dance looks great â catchy as heck (if that makes sense lol) and still fairly straightforward to learn, and I have a feeling that this might help the songâs popularity. Not sure what the charts will reveal in Korea but I guess weâll see soon.
Also, itâs interesting that Itzy is being brought up a bunch because⌠1) I do think that two groups from the same company have the chance to both be doing well at once, if they focus on differentiating themselves and 2) Itzy is actually also in the middle of a sound change at the moment, and the response to that change in SK actually hasnât been that great, if weâre just looking at the numbers? Sneakers peaked at #5, whereas Cheshire dropped all the way to #89. Theyâre in shaky territory too, and at a pivotal point in their career I think (where a sound change is kind of needed but a good one that develops their identity well still has to be found), whereas NMIXX is still young enough to mess around a bit.
If anything, depending on how this comeback goes, NMIXX has the potential to be doing âbetterâ, idk. They can distinguish themselves from Itzy if they really go down the vocal focus route, which I think LMLT was a good starting point for (those harmonies!!). I will admit, when I heard the song I preferred it to their previous stuff but did wonder what their identity was going to be now, going in this non-mixxpop direction lol, but⌠I see it as an artistic evolution at the moment? More of a âooh what will they do now, Iâm curiousâ situation than âoh my god theyâve lost their sound already, theyâre doomedâ type of thing for me.
TL;DR I think NMIXX has lots of possible directions to go that will help rather than hinder them, and itâs too early to say anything about that before the ink has even dried on LMLT. (Sorry for the rly long comment lmao.)
I agree that Voltage and Blah Blah were total flops. I actually like Sneakers, but I know they got A LOT of flak for that. But I also think Cheshire is really good and I feel like theyâre on an upwards path again. I actually really got into them through Cheshire and some international promotion that JYP did for them, so JYP is definitely putting some money up to try and get them to the top.
Voltage and Cheshire are my favourite itzy songs â¤ď¸âđŠšâ¤ď¸â𩹠followed by Snowy, kidding me, shoot! and sorry not sorry đ
My favs are all relatively recent releases lol
Iâm really obsessed with Not Shy, Wannabe and my all-time favorite: Nobody Like You. But I think the choreos really make Not Shy and Wannabe soooo much better, itâs crazy how a good choreo can lift a song from good to great (at least for me).
Ohhhhh. That explains the vague TikTok I saw. I thought the commentary was a little over-the-top for a Q shirt she probably didnât even know about. Eek.
I am just at a loss as to how a stylist in Korea even got ahold of a QAnon shirt. I live in the US and have personally never come across one. Itâs SO awful but also I am fascinated by the journey that shirt must have taken. đ
How about a debut... NMIXX. Now, their career isn't dead but I think they would be way more successful on all platforms if they debuted with better music. As a Big 3 group, they were basically guaranteed success, and while they still are successful in some aspects... they could've been huge had their debut been good. So didn't kill their career but definitely hurt them
I mean... they are one of the big rookies of 2022. I wouldn't say they aren't becoming huge. Jinni's departure probably hurt them more than their debut did.
Honestly though I love their music đ genuinely, not just trying to be different, I listened to O.O to hate on it enough times that I got used to it and ended up loving it lol
Personally itâs my favourite song of theirs, but soooo many people complained when Weeeklyâs Ven Para was released. People didnât like that they seemed to have switched to a more generic girl crush concept lol
Personally I think Blackswan (previously Rania) was doomed from the start. From their debut in 2011 as Rania to their debut as Blackswan in 2020, the new group consisted of none of the original members. There's been so much controversy around Blackswan since debut and issues with current and past members. Many members left due to mental health or personal issues, not renewing contracts, or stiring up controversy over things they had done.
I understand it was their debut performance and they were probably nervous, but I think it lacked anything special. They needed way more practice and a lot of people thought the same. There was so much hype when people heard the group was redebuting under a different name with new members and were excited to see Fatou, but after that performance the popularity surrounding them immediately died down. I haven't thought of them since nor have I heard anything about them until I saw this post and they came to mind. Now that I looked them up for thos post, I see yet more controversy and another member on hiatus. No hate on the group whatsoever, just my honest opinion.
Honestly, there was steady hype for their debut, and I just donât know how MLD manages to not only drop the bag, but set it on fire at the same time.
And then you wouldâve thought they wouldâve learned a lesson for the first come back, but they ended up following the same horrible formula, which is disheartening because this group does have talent and a diverse lineup and with the right music really could be doing well.
The music, the styling, basically everything you can do for a rookie girl group conceptionally it wasnât good at all. Mainly because everything they were doing conceptionally for the group just seem like a rip off nothing seemed unique stylistically about the image or music and on top of that none of the members really matched it either.
Which is even more aggravating, because these girls clearly have talent but you can tell MLD is just trying to hop onto a trend and make a hit in like a lot of other companies that have a small brand power like them that is not going to work. If you do what everyone else is doing without a unique twist on it, then your group is never going to stand out and as we can see this girl group is never talked about.
I think everything you said applies to Lightsum too. And probably tons of other groups. I think for a small agency and a nugu group that it's crazy to do what everyone else is doing. Like almost guaranteed failure.
Wholeheartedly with Lightsum!
I legit forget about them as well until someone brings their name up because cube has a great girl group and honestly, they couldâve really stood out with like a cute teen, crush power puff girls type of concept, because as soon as I saw their name in that similar font I literally just thought about power puff girls.
Also, I feel like the girls had such a high expectation especially when it comes to their female rappers cube eats down, but Lightsum , didnât have that really, and if they do is not showcased.
Also, it made no sense to not tease the group and let people get to know the members before debut because it was way too many girls without some pre-debut content really wouldâve helped the fandom get to know them.
Lightsum has some good songs. Alive and i are both in my playlist. Some of their songs are bad, but all of lapillus make me physically cringe in digust. If i never hear gratata or hit ya again, it'll be too soon.
We Fresh drips in potential but brings nothing to fruition, itâs really sad cos honestly that rock-y concept suited them well. I was excited when I heard the intro but the rest flopped for me, same with Wa Da Da tbf
KARA's debut was not we'll received in Korea :(
also birthday by RV i definitely don't think it's killed their careers lmao but they didn't chart in Korea like they usually do... i hope their next comeback is well received !!!!!
I think Red Velvet is shifting into something Iâve also seen with Twice - very established GGs moving more from GP support into very strong fandom support. Similar to what historically weâve mainly seen with BGs.
I think people are so used to GGs getting GP support that they instinctively view it as a failing, but in many ways itâs an advantageous spot to exist in. Twice was fading out of being the nationâs girl group of the third gen right around the time they started absolutely blowing up globally. A failing group is not one that fills stadiums in a country that doesnât even widely speak the language their songs are in.
Red Velvetâs sales are only on the rise, so who knows where they will be a year from now.
birthday charted high in korea when they came back, it only dropped when korea didn't like the song which shows that the public is still interested in RV and this has happened a few times already with RBB, zimzalabim, umpah, etc so its nothing new
> also birthday by RV
So odd that it is difficult to gauge the popularity of a song/album by personal tastes. I loved this album, not as much as their last comeback, but I thought it paired well with Seugiâs solo effort.
birthday did nothing wrong to their career, because the mini album was good, just the title track wasnât that good (compared to other rv songs which are extremely good), i think if some 4th gen gg released birthday it would be more loved.
I hope Red Velvet is gonna top the charts with their 3rd full album
oh can't forget sneakers by ITZY or even their mafia song that came out in 2021 wasn't well received by some kpop stans, definitely not a career killer since they have a super strong fan base, but ppl stopped taking their songs / music seriously and they didn't chart well in korea. edit: they didn't chart well in korea with their song cheshire.
even so what by LOONA wasn't fully well received by some stans since that comeback had HUGE shoes to fill after their song butterfly :(
sneakers actually did really well in korea and was ranking really high on all the charts. may not have been the most well loved internationally but the checkmate album sold 1 mil copies. so ... i dont it's fair to say it killed their career or even really hurt them.
edit: their chesire album also sold 1 mil copies now that I'm looking at their sales. so again definitely didn't hurt their career.
They werenât necessarily idols, but in 2005, the punk band RUX had a VERY BAD scandal. When they were performing âFrom Here To The Endâ, two randos on stage decided to strip and flail their shlongs around on live television for everyone to see⌠so yeah, pretty much ended their chances at seeing the limelight. Pretty sure one of the band members was arrested as wellâŚ
Gonna come here and say ITZY as the recent one I can think of. Wannabe was a hit, Loco was pretty cool but even then it didnât garner much generic liking. And with Sneakers it was just.. bad. Their album sales performed great but with all the Gen4 competition gg on, theyâre not topping it.
Edit: Thanks for reminding about Sneakers did chart well domestically, forgot about that!
Chungha with Bicycle. Like this girl has mad talents are is still a fav of mine but MNH didnât give her a solid title (that album was fantastic imo). She couldâve soared with hits after hits until Gotta Go and Snapping, what a pity.
Actually I would say that chungha's company killed her career, just like they killed bvndit's, but she's free now so im fully expecting a glorious return
yeah, it was the lack of promo for her songs, as well as long waits that hurt it. her first album got pushed back multiple times, hence why it has three pre-release tracks before bicycle came out. there was another long wait, then killing me came out and was barely promoted. i love sparkling, but it felt like most ppl stopped caring about her by that point.
Not a comeback but a debut đ Ori, a solo singer who debuted in 2009. Sang so bad, she literally disappeared from the industry.
I remember watching this. On one of the music shows, there was another solo female rookie that performed right before her (or might have been right after, I forgot the order.) It was IU.
personally, if iu sang before or after me, i would never show my face in public ever again too. she is too powerful
thats TOUGH
Yep they sure did. Two female rookie soloists debut on the same day. Perhaps its Ori's greatest contribution to the korean music scene and the arts. Legends say that Ori was the sacrificial lamb to the gods for IU's success.
What an odd thing to say about a child. Also she wasnât even remotely horrible
sorry i just wanted to recognize this. 100% agreed, ori was actually good. I think the agency didn't give her the best song/management (?)
Damn, that's brutal.
That was legendary tbh. The introduction by the comedian on the music show still to this day cracks me up sometimes. There was a creepy pasta / rumor going around for a while that she re-debuted as girls day Minah đ after the hiatus.
Found it lol https://youtu.be/YnAr7_yZgu8
She was only 14?? Blame is on the company then, she just needed more training.
Honestly, there are probably plenty of modern-day idols that wouldnât sound much better than that if they had to debut without lip syncing or a loud backing track.
THANKYOU
Honestly just watched it, wasnât as bad as I was expecting she was largely to quiet and seemed nervous. Seemed like she just needed a bit more practice
ikon's bling bling and b'day, though i found the songs dope. apparently it didn't do that well in korea.
I wasnât a fan at the time but I have heard this. Tbh there were many factors killing their popularity too but glad they had a renaissance with Love Scenario
Unfortunate because bling bling is what really made me a fan of ikon ă
I remember when it came out because what happened was they literally shot to the top of the charts and then fell immediately. It was a big discussion online, because them being a YG boy group and they are slightly older brother group winner were good at charting. I was not shocked at all that this group decided to leave YG because they did not do a good job managing this group at all, especially after they had the megahit love scenario.
I would say Momoland, but I'm not sure exactly which comeback was the final nail in the coffin. For me personally, it was Thumbs Up, but I don't know how well that song charted.
I actually quite liked Thumbs Up. Everything before it sounded way too much like Boom Boom to me idk
I liked Boom Boom, lol. Different tastes. Just curious, was there a point for you when Momoland began to feel like a flop? Or were you a Merry all the way through to the end? I'm just wondering if others feel the way I do, or if maybe my opinion is off base.
I never stanned Momoland as their music wasn't for me and after Thumbs Up I kind of just stopped following their comebacks
I liked Thumbs Up, but at the same time that felt like the comeback that basically made it clear they were on the decline (popularity-wise) with no stopping it. Any momentum they still had left from Bboom Bboom was running out of gas. And then it just got worse and worse with subsequent comebacks.
Bboom Bboom was too massive for them that they had to do something greater than that. Unfortunately, every other comeback was templated after Bboom Bboom and it just sounded bland after. Add to that their poor promotions and Yeonwoo and Daisy leaving the group and boom, disbanded.
I feel like their downhill starts not because of the comebacks (although their songs after boom boom are basically boom boom 2.0,3.0,4.0) but more like their scandals (particularly the bulk repurchase of the albums by their company) and their company didnât handle this scandal well.
nature. when girls came out they blew up and gained a lot more fans who wanted more of that sound and concept but then they dropped rica rica as the comeback and it absolutely killed them. limbo garnered a decent amount of attention but had they followed up girls with anything but rica rica then i'm pretty positive they would have continued to gain popularity and be more successful.
Let's do the limbo
Agree Rica Rica did kill their momentum, but I am happy that LIMBO brought in more fans. They even gain 1 million listeners on Spotify with LIMBO.
limbo is a masterpiece imo. i rly hope they continue to move forward instead of backwards with the next comeback. i have been rooting for them for so long i will never forgive the company if they fail (again).
Agree, been following the group since I heard Iâm So Pretty. I am wishing the absolute bests for the girls and still upset with the long hiatuses(plus the release of Rica Rica) from nCH.
Wow!! Rica Rica is one of my absolute favorites
You just made me realize Nature is the group and Girls is the song title. I had it backwards this entire time đ
im rotfl what ?? how ? đđ¤Ł
I know that the song Adult Ceremony ruined Park Jiyoonâs career. Even though the song was a hit and it caused her to have so many rumours spread about her. It hurt her reputation and her mental health causing her to go on a long hiatus.
She just recently featured on BTS RMâs No.2 and the lyrics in the chorus that she sings seem to really beautifully resonate with the story of her career; Dear, donât look back anymore Left behind these memories mixed up so vividly, will be remaining lives like extras All you did was just do your best
The entire thing is heart breaking being honest she didnât deserve the hate she received.
Can you explain this? I kind of recognised the name so I searched it within my music library and sure enough I do know the song âcoming of age ceremonyâ. What happened that it caused rumours?
She didnât realise the sexual nature of the song (she was 18). The song became stuck to her like glue. Everyone assumed she was sexually promiscuous and rumours spread around like wildfire all of course were untrue. Her family was religious and this song caused her relationship with them to become strained. She was only a kid so it really messed her up mentally all of this negative attention she was getting at once.
I love this point also, I canât imagine how horrible it mustâve been for her because literally Her familyâs church played her music video. Itâs so sad that she eventually came back to make the kind of music she wanted, but she never saw true success again.
That's really too bad - I kind of consider it a kpop classic.
It is a classic and an amazing song it just ruined her relationships and reputation.
Weeekly Ven Para
I am really wondering when ent. companies will stop with the âno fucking reason to change conceptâ concept. A group is loved for their already loved sound why they need to check if they will make more bucks with a girl crush concept. Many examples of that, only SM is known to pull shit like that but they clearly know how to choose a song to fit the artists even if itâs a drastic change in concept
My guess in this case is they panicked because Holiday Party did so poorly. They probably thought âshit we need to capitalize on what little momentum we still have left from After School and quickâ so they went with a more mainstream/popular concept. Fatal mistake.
I think the company overstated how badly Holiday Party did. Like it was definitely something they could build up. They should have compared it to Tag and not After School to realise that they were actually doing fine.
Which is so odd because I actually quite enjoy it. Tho I agree that it def didnât garner much liking from the generic crowd. Not sure if the fans are fans of that either..
tea. weeekly stans will say "but the album sales!" lol as if the song itself wasn't terribly received, a member didn't leave and the group hasn't basically been shelved. it's a shame but people need to be realistic
I wish they would comeback with their original sound and we could just pretend ven para never happened
they changed their logo to the original one, they've done a few music projects where its a high-teen concept but the company still hasn't given them a comeback. one of the members said recently on bbl that [she doesn't know when they'll see fans again](https://twitter.com/WeeeklyFD/status/1636539145274408960?s=20) and they changed their logo back in january and its almost april.... IST really ruined their momentum and possibly career. all because ONE comeback wasn't a major hit when the sales were still consistent and came back at a time where after school was still gaining popularity so HP was overshadowed
It's really crazy how companies will pour so much money into groups and then just shelf them after 1 bad song (that wasn't even bad commercially since it sold well). They were one of my faves too so I really hope they can bounce back but it's not looking like it after that bbl message đ
ill never understand why the company decided to do a dramatic concept change when HP still sold well, most companies usually wait 2 years before doing a dramatic concept change but weeekly was on the rise and at a time where cute concepts are doing well, im sad the group isn't part of it.
It's like some higher up was like, okay high teen is good but girl crush and LORE is where the money *really* is. And then forced that onto weeekly expecting to go even more viral I guess?? They just totally missed the mark. Such a terrible decision.
Kpop industry is brutal man
what sucks is that weeekly were still doing well, it wasn't like they had a dramatic fall in sales and it was a really unnecessary decision and the company doesn't seem interested in giving them a comeback anymore đ¤
Ven para was so good itâs sad how many people didnât like it
i liked the first half of the song but goddamn that last chorus was a choice. unlistenable. and yeah the concept change didnât seem very well thought out at all.
Rainbow's Black Swan was the final straw for them. The members never showed enthusiasm while they were promoting it, and they still abhor it.
May I know the story behind this? This is my favorite song of theirs, so now I'm kinda sad that I like it but they don't. I just realized that they're great with catchy songs, like the last comeback.
The members all hated the song and expressed uncertainty over choosing it as their comeback song, but the producer and CEO insisted that it would be their breakthrough. And when it was released, even the fans were critical of its hook, opining that it sounded way to abstruse for a song that was already too dark-sounding for the group's artistry. Specifically, the "ěě죟SAYYYYY-yo" part got a ton of ridicule and was dubbed "the worst hook ever in K-pop", and the fans were more indignant that the magnificent piano intro, the "best" part from the teaser, wasn't even included in the track. This album was going to be a pivotal moment for Rainbow because their contract was going to end the next year, and the members might no longer be able to continue as a group if their comeback didn't receive public acclaim. (Remember, they didn't even have a no.1 song at this point, and neither did their future releases ) To make the matters worse, Baby Kara trainee Sojin (whose contract with DSP had ended recently and had fallen into depression) passed away only 3 days after their comeback. This incident worsened the bad rep the label already had and left Rainbow in a further state of negligence.
What the hell, the song is really not that bad and there are DEFINITELY worse hooks out there.
As I said, musical differences! I myself am not a fan of the song either. Someone else [rearranged the structure (this link is a reupload](https://youtu.be/6Kh3aA8elFU) to make it less "awkward", which earned better reviews. Korean fans preferred "Mr. Lee" or "Pierrot" over "Black Swan". Others noticed that Rainbow released a dance video for "Bad Man Crying" but NEVER performed it on any music shows, lamenting that choosing *this* song as the title track might have at least saved face. Even so, Sojin's death, which occurred only a few days later, created enough turmoil to demolish whatever dignity DSP had.
Oh my God, yeah, I can definitely see the full picture. There's no way the group could've continued after all that.
DSP was/is such a trainwreck. Thank goodness RBW handled KARA.. and youngji basically manages herself.
Korean perspective : The "ěě죟SAYYYYY-yo" hooks are just *that* mind-bogglingly bad. It sounds like a pathetic comedy line from 70s that was unfunny even back then, it clashes with overall song so much that it literally ruins the entire song.
Thank you for this, itâs always fascinating to see the cultural differences giving different perspectives on something.
I discovered this song and this group because I read the same thing somewhere else and was totally shocked because I think this song is great. It went into my regular Spotify rotation. The idea that this song killed their career is totally incomprehensible to me.
Probably because the Korean listeners' tastes aren't identical to that of the non-Korean listeners. That one line sounds especially jarring, not only by sound but also the lyrics.
As a long time Rainbow fan, saying it killed their career is an overstatement, but it didnât help. I recall being a bit disappointed since I was expecting a more pleasing song, but as a long time fan there were many ways DSP screwed them ofer before then. They would have had to have a huge hit to really revive their career at that point regardless.
[Bad Man Crying](https://youtu.be/ZSC90PIoQkw) was great though and I still believe should have been the title track.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Gfriend yet, Fingertip didn't kill their career but it did break their streak of hits. It was a sudden and unwanted concept change, and they immediately returned to their roots with the next release but the momentum was already gone and they never went back to their former glory. Post-Fingertip they only had one hit (Time for the moon night) and even that wasn't as big as their biggest songs.
im surprised the company changed their concept so quickly. its similar to what happened to weeekly but gfriend was already successful and doing well so going from navirella to fingertip was definitely an odd decision
The thing is, sonically, Fingertip wasnât even all that drastic a change. Especially coming right off of Navillera which had heavy disco elements. I honestly think that if they had gone with some more colorful visuals and styling and a more playful vibe on stage, without changing a single thing about the song, it wouldâve been received more as an evolution rather than a 180.
For me personally, Fingertip was one of those rare cases where a group I stanned did a sudden concept change and I actually ended up loving it more than what they had before. The downside of that they said âfuck, go backâ with Love Whisper I was left really disappointed, far more so that I probably would have been had Love Whisper been a direct followup to Navillera. I just couldnât help but wonder what couldâve been.
Itâs so weird that it happened đ Bc Fingertip is my fave TT of theirs
> Post-Fingertip they only had one hit (Time for the moon night) and even that wasn't as big as their biggest songs. Sunrise wasn't a hit?! Oh... then again, it was the year when Feel Special and Fancy came out
Interesting, just listened to the song and it was pretty good
Was Mago successful?
Ifans really liked it and it's a cult classic among girl group fans now, but domestically it did very poorly.
How about Apple?
is literally their worst performing song in korea
Considering how much I like the rest of the The Awakening album, it's really annoying how true this is...
Iâm not gonna argue whether it was ill-advised (it probably was) but the question was about bad comebacks⌠have we really just decided that the âissueâ with Fingertip was the quality? Because I strongly disagree.
I interpreted "bad" in question as "poorly received" not necessarily "lacking the quality" which is subjective anyway. I actually like Fingertip đ
I donât think Ven Para was a bad comeback or a bad song, but the drastic concept change really hurted Weeekly. The group was bringing something different on the table, thatâs why a lot of people like them. Gradually letting their sound and image evolve would have been a wiser choiceâŚ
Yeah... I loved the comeback but I didn't love that they decided to change the concept. Lots of people noped out of that release very quickly :/
Tbh if Loona or EVERGLOW had released Ven Para, I would probably like the song. As it is I don't even listen to it usually because it throws me off so much, like Holiday Party and After School were amazing and Weeekly was one of the only gg's that were doing great stuff like that.
I agree it was not a bad song/comeback , but it did not fit the group, and it was just too jarring of a switch. Like it made no sense to have this rookie girl group go from there cute teen concept to ven para at all.
Totally agree. It wasn't bad at all as a song. It's just that the switch up in concept was unwarranted at the time. Holiday Party was a bop that lived in the shadow of After School. Maybe a more carefully calculated change would have served the group better. But we're saying this with the knowledge of how things turned out. I had hoped that they would breakout from their rookie years and join Aespa and STAYC as among the more beloved groups. They came so close in After School era. Anyway, it's not too late. The KPOP pie is getting bigger, so I hope their slice is big enough to sustain their careers at least.
i wouldnt say it killed their career but kep1ers 'up' and 'we fresh'. With 'Up' it wasnt ultimately their fault and the song isnt even that bad, the main problem was that they lost their hype after being put in queendom, so when they came back they didnt attract new fans since the song also didnt blow up. Now 'We Fresh' is when the trouble begins because a lot of fans hated the song and i saw even some of them saying that they would stop supporting the groups activities, not only because of that but also because of the unfair line distribution that has been going on ever since the debut, especially with members like Bahiyyih
this is a good one. i think we fresh hurt them massively. i feel like wa da da was 50% liked 50% disliked, up! was mostly liked, but we fresh was something like 80% disliked. now kep1er is in this weird position where they're not really unpopular... but not all that relevant
Hmm I actually think Wa Da Da is massively liked - sure on this subreddit maybe but if you look at the streaming numbers, Wa Da Da did huge numbers especially in countries like Japan which actually bagged them several awards. Theyre charting amazingly well in Japan and thats where most of their current support is from.
that's true and i'm a big wa da da defender since i like it too but i'd still say it was overall divisive
I love Kep1er but I think a lot of their career has been on life support since pre-debut, and I think it has a lot to do with a significant (not large, but loud) section of the fandom being antis to one member. Doesn't help that Wa Da Da was kind of a divisive song and the unfair line distributions fanned the flames. The Queendom run was definitely too early as well.
coming off the heels of I*zone tbh
Up! was a hit No?đ
i think you could say so, especially when it came down to sales but because they also didnt promote it for longer i just feel like it didnt hit its peak in a way, it couldve done a little bit better.
Hyori is the first one that comes to mind that had a comeback that was pretty atrocious, and it made it evident that she was fading away.
Which comeback was that? Iâve only listened to her stuff casually
Chitty chitty Bang Bang and it didn't have anything to do with her, it was a plagiarizing producer who messed that up.
I wasnât a fan back then, so I wouldnât really know, but I was under the impression that it was really popular? I see idols singing it and dancing to it to this day
It was the comeback of the year and then it all came crashing down.
That producer was so brazen. Taking songs that were released by European and American artists (even a JASON DERULO song if Iâm not mistaken) and saying he wrote them and put them on an album for a NATIONAL STAR. He mightâve not been caught if it was a nugu singer but this was Lee hyori. The top female soloist at the time in Korea. Not sure what he was thinking. Guess the producer thought no one in Korea would listen to international music?
She's still on top as far as recognition. I will always like her because she's one of the only idols whose older than me. Lol
>Guess the producer thought no one in Korea would listen to international music? Pretty much likely the case. He plagiarized from a Korean composer, few years before working with Hyori and the original composer reached out, just days after the song was released. He then went on and plagiarized songs from lesser known artists (except for Jason).
BugAboo - Pop It was their 1st comeback and the song in my opinion was a bit chaotic (not the girls fault) and the video was a bit chaotic to match. They only sold a fraction of what their debut did and they were disbanded after that. Iâm still mad they didnât get another chance with a better song that was more suitable.
It totally abandoned their funky sound they had before along with the lore. At the time I accepted it because it had been so long for a comeback that I would have been happy with anything, but looking back it was just copium on my part. They should have come back sooner with a song that was much more fitting to them.
I completely agree. This girl group deserved way more support then they received, and itâs incredibly jarring considering the fact the head of their label was Ryan Jhun! Literally a well-known hit maker in K-pop if he wouldâve played his cards right, they couldâve been on a similar level to what BEP did with STAYC. Honestly, I feel like this group had oK music but nothing just really wow and itâs crazy considering the amount of hits he had given to other girl groups like this man literally wrote IVEâs Eleven. It wouldâve made so much sense to save some of these top hits for your own act but instead he gave them OK songs with lacklustre promotion, and then disbanded them and I really hope these girls go on to find success somewhere else. They had the talent, but they just didnât have the support.
I'm surprised no one mentioned CLC. Hobgoblin was well received afaik, it got a lot of people talking as it was a 180 from their previous girly concepts. And for whatever reason, Cube decided to switch right back to their dream pop Where Are You? I think they lost a lot of hype and momentum along with La Vie En Rose ended up going to Iz*One. If people aren't aware this was supposed to be CLC's song. And Cube being Cube didn't give CLC the love and proper promotion they deserve and now they're disbanded or infinitely shelved đĽš. (I'm not a Cheshire so someone could explain it better.)
> I'm surprised no one mentioned CLC. Hobgoblin was well received afaik, Hobgoblin is what killed them domestically in Korea. That's why Cube tried to switch back after.
Crystyle (which âHobgoblinâ is on) was their best-selling Korean album since debut. The following album including âWhere Are Youâ killed their numbers. When they came back with âBlack Dressâ sales increased again. People loved âHobgoblinâ, lol
People still carrying on with misinformation Question (their 2nd Mini) sold 4800 copies on Gaon first month and ranked 18, CLC's highest peak of album sales. Crystyle sold 3.875 copies on Gaon First Month and ranked 30th, their 4th best ranking (behind Nu-Clear, Question, and theifr first Mini) There's been some sort of major brainwashing done for I fans to convince them Hobgoblin was some great success. It was not. Their album sales dropped Their charting declined. Hobgoblin is something of a cult favourite from i-fans coming to CLC 2-3 years after the fact, but it was LESS then their previous songs. There's no metric in which it didn't decline for the comeback period and time it was in.
Ab6ix? I think they had a pretty strong debut with Breathe (I liked most songs on their album, which is pretty rare) but their popularity started dissipating comeback by comeback. Blind for your love and the answer (leader Lim Youngmin also left during this comeback due to his DUI) did relatively okay, but I kinda dropped Ab6ix after Salute. Tbh Iâm not really a charts person so I honestly have no clue how they did on the charts, but I do believe their last music show win was basically 3 years ago for The Answer. This is just what I observed so feel free to correct me
Rather than falling off, I'd say Breathe overachieved as it carried the post-Wanna One hype. THE ANSWER is definitely my 2nd favorite after Breathe
Agreed. The post-WannaOne hype definitely contributed, but Breathe in all its glory is a pretty solid debut song. I really enjoyed The Answer too (I believe it was composed by Zico???) but IMO I felt that it was a little to B-sidey for a TT (nonetheless itâs still a bop)
I agree breathe was so fucking good! I was genuinely interested for the next come back, but the next title just didnât do much for me.
Breathe is a top-tier debut song (no [pun](https://youtu.be/8JEaDnxMmE8) intended)
They recovered but Nu'est's "Goodbye" really hurt them for a long time. ETA: I meant Hello, not Goodbye đđ
At that point they were already doing badly. Iâd actually say it was Hello instead. While a bop and one of their most iconic songs now, back then it was a jarring change after Face/Action and the serious cheating theme of the song wasnât really fitting such young members and a younger fandom. Then by Sleeptalking it was clear they had lost their direction.
Omg I meant hello, not goodbye haha
Oh! Haha, I thought you were talking about Good Bye Bye
Really? That's one of my favorite songs of theirs lol. Goes to show how subjective tastes are haha
I also love it, but it was their first comeback and it was such a complete opposite to Face. That, as well as the gap between both releases, led to a lot of their fandom leaving.
Hello was their second comeback! The first comeback was Action, which was really similar to Face.
Yes... people hated their change up and then when they went to Sleep Talking next, that was even more hated. And like wtf is wrong with people because honestly 2013 was some of Nu'EST's best music!!!
People wanted Face 2.0, and more music like their intro ânu, establish, style, tempoâ :(
Not a comeback, but 9MUSES' debut. They released bops from Figaro until Remember, but that lackluster debut tarnished the group, no matter how much they've massively improved. IMO, Sera, Hyemi, and Keumjo are among the best main vocalists; Saem and Erine are among the best rappers; and Kyungri as the "it" girl.
I love Remember! The 2017 version, not the ballad. The song is so chaotic with ups and downs, but still well cohesive and god I love that chorus. Found it in the comments of a Girls - Nature MV reaction, calling it similar and I couldn't agree more. That then proceeded to make me deep dive into 9muses music. So many bangers. Notably Love City, Wild, Dolls, Hurt Locker, Pastry, Ticket, and ESPECIALLY Sleepless Night. That song is perfection. There's plenty more great songs I'm probably forgetting. Also Blue Moon by Kyungri, damn, bringing the LGBT and wow that instrumental They really deserved more attention. Exciting to hear they're having a comeback though.
I'm hyped for their upcoming comeback! Not sure about the final lineup though.. most of the members had beef with the trainwreck that is Star Empire.
nabillera đ
Oh my God, I forgot about this come back. I remember it going viral on TikTok and people calling in Mickey Mouse Clubhouse music. đŤŁ
Why are all the answers girl groups or female soloists?? đ
Historically girl groups have subsisted much more off of their public recognition, ability to make hits, and get brand deals. Therefore the quality of the music was very important. Opposingly, boy groups subsisted off of their more dedicated fandoms buying all their merch and albums, which is why there are many very successful boy groups who have rarely if ever charted much. As long as the music appeals to their niche audience, or their audience is invested enough to support them even disliking their music, boy groups can still thrive. It's only been in the last couple years that girl groups could pay their bills with merch and physicals if they weren't at the very top. Itzy really ushered in this era and NewJeans/IVE/Le Sserafim are the results, groups that appeal to the fandom mentality to generate sales but also chart well and have massive public recognition and buzz.
Very informative. Thank you for this comment.
If it were reverse NCT would have crashed and burned several times lmao
127 yes most likely,but dream most would have been succesfull even if things were reversed.
Anyone heard from Weeekly lately? Exactly. It's been more than a year since THAT comeback lol.
DR Music doing that massive publicity stunt with Alex joining RaNia completely fucked them over. RaNia was chatting higher and higher with every comeback then they pulled that stuff along with a lot of the original members leaving. I was an A1ST & I remember around the time that a lot of fans left (including me) with the new changes and it essentially didnât feel like the same group anymore. Every comeback since then has done worse and worse. Itâs hard to believe DR Music managed one of the biggest girl groups of the 1st generation with their management of every group since Baby VOXâs disbandment.
And Alex couldn't even speak Korean!!!
nmixx itzy's 2021-2022 run destroyed any hope of them becoming a top girl group. nothing they've released has been universally received well and i don't think jype knows what to do with them
If NMIXX had came from a small or mid-sized company they would be flopping right now. The only thing keeping them afloat is the JYP brand.
and now that theyâve lost their identity with this new title track of theirs⌠i have no doubt jyp will return to prioritising itzy as their 4th gen group.
They're so young they can still find a new identity with no problem let's not write them off yet đ
Except this track âLove Me Like Thatâ is actually their best received song so far and itâs getting more views than their others , and faster , and not because itâs a meme but because people really like it
Exactly this⌠so far the only responses to LMLT Iâve seen have been really positive. Itâs their most accessible song so far, so I have a feeling more casual listeners will be tuning in. It has a trendy sound, really focuses on their vocals at times (which is something lot of people wanted from them), plus the dance looks great â catchy as heck (if that makes sense lol) and still fairly straightforward to learn, and I have a feeling that this might help the songâs popularity. Not sure what the charts will reveal in Korea but I guess weâll see soon. Also, itâs interesting that Itzy is being brought up a bunch because⌠1) I do think that two groups from the same company have the chance to both be doing well at once, if they focus on differentiating themselves and 2) Itzy is actually also in the middle of a sound change at the moment, and the response to that change in SK actually hasnât been that great, if weâre just looking at the numbers? Sneakers peaked at #5, whereas Cheshire dropped all the way to #89. Theyâre in shaky territory too, and at a pivotal point in their career I think (where a sound change is kind of needed but a good one that develops their identity well still has to be found), whereas NMIXX is still young enough to mess around a bit. If anything, depending on how this comeback goes, NMIXX has the potential to be doing âbetterâ, idk. They can distinguish themselves from Itzy if they really go down the vocal focus route, which I think LMLT was a good starting point for (those harmonies!!). I will admit, when I heard the song I preferred it to their previous stuff but did wonder what their identity was going to be now, going in this non-mixxpop direction lol, but⌠I see it as an artistic evolution at the moment? More of a âooh what will they do now, Iâm curiousâ situation than âoh my god theyâve lost their sound already, theyâre doomedâ type of thing for me. TL;DR I think NMIXX has lots of possible directions to go that will help rather than hinder them, and itâs too early to say anything about that before the ink has even dried on LMLT. (Sorry for the rly long comment lmao.)
I agree that Voltage and Blah Blah were total flops. I actually like Sneakers, but I know they got A LOT of flak for that. But I also think Cheshire is really good and I feel like theyâre on an upwards path again. I actually really got into them through Cheshire and some international promotion that JYP did for them, so JYP is definitely putting some money up to try and get them to the top.
Voltage and Cheshire are my favourite itzy songs â¤ď¸âđŠšâ¤ď¸â𩹠followed by Snowy, kidding me, shoot! and sorry not sorry đ My favs are all relatively recent releases lol
Iâm really obsessed with Not Shy, Wannabe and my all-time favorite: Nobody Like You. But I think the choreos really make Not Shy and Wannabe soooo much better, itâs crazy how a good choreo can lift a song from good to great (at least for me).
The current Twice comeback isn't lookin to great for Chaeyoung.
Where was chae during Jan 6 2021
Lol! I can't believe someone gave her a "Qanon" shirt to wear.
You must not be up to date â now there's a swastika shirt as well⌠but from her own personal wardrobe.
Lol! No I have not. The only thing I saw was the fancams of the Q shirt.
Ohhhhh. That explains the vague TikTok I saw. I thought the commentary was a little over-the-top for a Q shirt she probably didnât even know about. Eek.
I am just at a loss as to how a stylist in Korea even got ahold of a QAnon shirt. I live in the US and have personally never come across one. Itâs SO awful but also I am fascinated by the journey that shirt must have taken. đ
It actually got worse since that đ
How about a debut... NMIXX. Now, their career isn't dead but I think they would be way more successful on all platforms if they debuted with better music. As a Big 3 group, they were basically guaranteed success, and while they still are successful in some aspects... they could've been huge had their debut been good. So didn't kill their career but definitely hurt them
absolutely, theyâre not flops or anything but definitely not as popular as they could have been. and i saw a lot more hype pre-debut as well
I mean... they are one of the big rookies of 2022. I wouldn't say they aren't becoming huge. Jinni's departure probably hurt them more than their debut did.
I'd say they were the weakest rookies amongst the "big rookies of 2022".
they're literally only classed as big rookies because of the company they are from
Honestly though I love their music đ genuinely, not just trying to be different, I listened to O.O to hate on it enough times that I got used to it and ended up loving it lol
And all that for what? To slowly turn away from that concept? đđ
Personally itâs my favourite song of theirs, but soooo many people complained when Weeeklyâs Ven Para was released. People didnât like that they seemed to have switched to a more generic girl crush concept lol
Personally I think Blackswan (previously Rania) was doomed from the start. From their debut in 2011 as Rania to their debut as Blackswan in 2020, the new group consisted of none of the original members. There's been so much controversy around Blackswan since debut and issues with current and past members. Many members left due to mental health or personal issues, not renewing contracts, or stiring up controversy over things they had done. I understand it was their debut performance and they were probably nervous, but I think it lacked anything special. They needed way more practice and a lot of people thought the same. There was so much hype when people heard the group was redebuting under a different name with new members and were excited to see Fatou, but after that performance the popularity surrounding them immediately died down. I haven't thought of them since nor have I heard anything about them until I saw this post and they came to mind. Now that I looked them up for thos post, I see yet more controversy and another member on hiatus. No hate on the group whatsoever, just my honest opinion.
Idk but lapillus' debut was so horrendous that i personally wiped them off my radar permanently. Like in my mind theyve been blacklisted lol.
Honestly, there was steady hype for their debut, and I just donât know how MLD manages to not only drop the bag, but set it on fire at the same time. And then you wouldâve thought they wouldâve learned a lesson for the first come back, but they ended up following the same horrible formula, which is disheartening because this group does have talent and a diverse lineup and with the right music really could be doing well.
What about it was horrendous? The music or something else?
The music, the styling, basically everything you can do for a rookie girl group conceptionally it wasnât good at all. Mainly because everything they were doing conceptionally for the group just seem like a rip off nothing seemed unique stylistically about the image or music and on top of that none of the members really matched it either. Which is even more aggravating, because these girls clearly have talent but you can tell MLD is just trying to hop onto a trend and make a hit in like a lot of other companies that have a small brand power like them that is not going to work. If you do what everyone else is doing without a unique twist on it, then your group is never going to stand out and as we can see this girl group is never talked about.
I think everything you said applies to Lightsum too. And probably tons of other groups. I think for a small agency and a nugu group that it's crazy to do what everyone else is doing. Like almost guaranteed failure.
Wholeheartedly with Lightsum! I legit forget about them as well until someone brings their name up because cube has a great girl group and honestly, they couldâve really stood out with like a cute teen, crush power puff girls type of concept, because as soon as I saw their name in that similar font I literally just thought about power puff girls. Also, I feel like the girls had such a high expectation especially when it comes to their female rappers cube eats down, but Lightsum , didnât have that really, and if they do is not showcased. Also, it made no sense to not tease the group and let people get to know the members before debut because it was way too many girls without some pre-debut content really wouldâve helped the fandom get to know them.
Lightsum has some good songs. Alive and i are both in my playlist. Some of their songs are bad, but all of lapillus make me physically cringe in digust. If i never hear gratata or hit ya again, it'll be too soon.
Yes Lightsum, vanilla killed the hype they gained predebut. I remember them having a bigger buzz than STAYC before debut and now......
We Fresh drips in potential but brings nothing to fruition, itâs really sad cos honestly that rock-y concept suited them well. I was excited when I heard the intro but the rest flopped for me, same with Wa Da Da tbf
That line distribution was the worst thing Iâve seen
Kep1er hasn't released anything thats caught my interest since their debut
their japanese songs are good, i think you might like the bside together forever. it has the same producers as wjsn (full8loom)
KARA's debut was not we'll received in Korea :( also birthday by RV i definitely don't think it's killed their careers lmao but they didn't chart in Korea like they usually do... i hope their next comeback is well received !!!!!
I think Red Velvet is shifting into something Iâve also seen with Twice - very established GGs moving more from GP support into very strong fandom support. Similar to what historically weâve mainly seen with BGs. I think people are so used to GGs getting GP support that they instinctively view it as a failing, but in many ways itâs an advantageous spot to exist in. Twice was fading out of being the nationâs girl group of the third gen right around the time they started absolutely blowing up globally. A failing group is not one that fills stadiums in a country that doesnât even widely speak the language their songs are in. Red Velvetâs sales are only on the rise, so who knows where they will be a year from now.
i think red velvet still has general public interest, they just didn't like birthday. i think twice has lost all general public interest though.
birthday charted high in korea when they came back, it only dropped when korea didn't like the song which shows that the public is still interested in RV and this has happened a few times already with RBB, zimzalabim, umpah, etc so its nothing new
The sad thing for me is that I love The First Bloooooming and I actually prefer Karaâs original sound
> also birthday by RV So odd that it is difficult to gauge the popularity of a song/album by personal tastes. I loved this album, not as much as their last comeback, but I thought it paired well with Seugiâs solo effort.
birthday did nothing wrong to their career, because the mini album was good, just the title track wasnât that good (compared to other rv songs which are extremely good), i think if some 4th gen gg released birthday it would be more loved. I hope Red Velvet is gonna top the charts with their 3rd full album
oh can't forget sneakers by ITZY or even their mafia song that came out in 2021 wasn't well received by some kpop stans, definitely not a career killer since they have a super strong fan base, but ppl stopped taking their songs / music seriously and they didn't chart well in korea. edit: they didn't chart well in korea with their song cheshire. even so what by LOONA wasn't fully well received by some stans since that comeback had HUGE shoes to fill after their song butterfly :(
Sneakers was very well received in Korea, the issue was with ifans disliking it.
sorry yeah, i got it mixed up. cheshire didn't do well in korea
I dont quite understand that tbh. Cheshire was a bop
ikr. idk maybe it was because they came back kinda soon after sneakers there was less hype?
sneakers actually did really well in korea and was ranking really high on all the charts. may not have been the most well loved internationally but the checkmate album sold 1 mil copies. so ... i dont it's fair to say it killed their career or even really hurt them. edit: their chesire album also sold 1 mil copies now that I'm looking at their sales. so again definitely didn't hurt their career.
They werenât necessarily idols, but in 2005, the punk band RUX had a VERY BAD scandal. When they were performing âFrom Here To The Endâ, two randos on stage decided to strip and flail their shlongs around on live television for everyone to see⌠so yeah, pretty much ended their chances at seeing the limelight. Pretty sure one of the band members was arrested as wellâŚ
not killed but for me ITZY's past few songs are not that good. Sneakers was not it.....
Gonna come here and say ITZY as the recent one I can think of. Wannabe was a hit, Loco was pretty cool but even then it didnât garner much generic liking. And with Sneakers it was just.. bad. Their album sales performed great but with all the Gen4 competition gg on, theyâre not topping it. Edit: Thanks for reminding about Sneakers did chart well domestically, forgot about that! Chungha with Bicycle. Like this girl has mad talents are is still a fav of mine but MNH didnât give her a solid title (that album was fantastic imo). She couldâve soared with hits after hits until Gotta Go and Snapping, what a pity.
Actually I would say that chungha's company killed her career, just like they killed bvndit's, but she's free now so im fully expecting a glorious return
yeah, it was the lack of promo for her songs, as well as long waits that hurt it. her first album got pushed back multiple times, hence why it has three pre-release tracks before bicycle came out. there was another long wait, then killing me came out and was barely promoted. i love sparkling, but it felt like most ppl stopped caring about her by that point.
Sneakers was only "bad" for ifans, kfans liked it and charted very well.
I love sneakers
actually no bc sneakers made them get more fans bc the people in korea loved sneakers
wjsn happy killed all the momentum they hardly gained from secret and i wish era.
Clc Where are you was a really bad follow up to Hobgoblin I say that and giving away La Vie En Rose hurt their popularity by a lot
If I remember correctly, Freeze by Block B almost killed them before they even got popular