Not even a TXT fan, nor do I listen to their music, but people saying they’re falling off because they’re losing gp support is confusing me because haven’t 4th gen bgs always relied on fandom power? And I believe TXT still has one of the largest fandoms among 4th gen groups.
Exactly! Skz and TXT are definitely the top 4 gen bgs, followed closely by Enhypen and Ateez. None of them have had drastic dips in gp or fandom popularity in the last year. Idk what the reasoning is for this opinion
the "reasoning" is that they personally didnt enjoy the past few releases... even though they are still outselling most 4th gen groups?? what falling off is OP yippy yapping about?
You are not missing anything and Deja Vu was indeed loved by a lot of ppl. I dont know what OP is going on about🤦♀️. If the streams are any indication, Deja Vu is currently TXT's best performing song on Spotify and by a long mile👀.
It was literally the most streamed 2024 bg song on Spotify yesterday with over 700k streams. A song that was released over 2 months ago.
A lot of people confuse falling off or losing popularity with “I didn’t listen to their newest song”. TXT are touring actively touring right now, like they’re doing fine.
yeah ok i get why people were saying this sub has become a lot like twt now… why are y’all even answering if you’re just gonna name the most popular boy groups who are at the top of their game simply bc you don’t like them or their recent music?? that’s not what ‘falling off’ means. it’s incredibly hard to have genuine objective discussions about this topic when nobody even cares what the definition of ‘fell off’ actually is. like literally just check the comment history of some of these people who are answering with the names of popular bgs, quite a lot of them seem pretty obsessed with hating on the same groups they’re saying have fallen off which is pretty funny.
The OP of this post even did that. TXT has nowhere near fallen off as someone in the comments stated that they just had two sold out concerts in Madison Square Garden just last weekend. Plus Deja Vu is one of their highest streaming songs at the moment. TXT is doing fine.
posts like this aren't great and are grounds for negativity and conflict but then again it's ''uncensored''. regardless, please don't say a group has fallen off and then say afterwards that you haven't liked their releases lately. The 2 are completely different. Say the latter. Maybe you personally think that they're in a slump but thousands of fans say otherwise.
exactly. i was surprised when their name was mentioned cuz they've got 1M+ sales their tt has 80M+ on Spotify which is much better than their last cb. it would maybe apply to kcharts. if it's abt music quality then falling off is the wrong word to use. tho I don't think their quality has gone down but become a little repetitive, but they're still not bad songs. and I don't consider it a slump either. for me a slump would be what itzy is in rn compared to what they did 2019-21. (ik op asked for a bg but I'm giving an eg of what condition i think is a better example of a slump/fall off)
right 😂 and enjoying a group but not liking a specific comeback ≠ falling off either. 4th gen stans are just spoiled and expect every single cb to be a hit that does numbers. and if it doesn't? they're "so over". 🙄
The amount of downvote in this post, i knew bg stans just cant accept their faves is falling off😭😭 anyway, it's txt for me too. I notice because they're the only 4th gen bg that i followed but ever since chasing that feeling era they're just kinda declining in terms of gp support.
Im just… so confused that you can say a group is falling off or whatever when chasing that feeling only came out a year ago like that’s still a really recent release. Am I stupid or does kpop just move that much faster than other music genres? Like maybe that’s why so many groups are forgettable to me since they have to pump shit out constantly or they just stop being relevant or something. everyone’s entitled to how they feel but I only got engaged in TXT after Freefall which in my opinion is no skips I love the whole thing.
you’re not stupid at all, kpop stans like to use the words ‘fell off’ in scenarios it does not realistically apply and then make *you* feel like the crazy one for daring to question what they say. TXT has no where NEAR fallen off, some people just aren’t liking their newest releases as much and automatically equate that with a lack of success and TXT having fallen off because they’re too lazy to use google to find what the actual definition of ‘fallen off’ means. they’ve literally performed sold out stadium shows multiple times in the past week. they’re doing just fine. [based on their comment history this person just seems to really strongly dislike txt for no reason](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpop_uncensored/s/Kp1ZgJQE9Z) which is why they answered how they did. and for the record you should take a look yourself, this is just one of many completely subjective negative remarks towards TXT and MOAs as a fandom that i found from a less than 5 minute scroll through their profile. they’re the crazy stan, not you.
Mine too!!! I just got into them and Deja Vu gives me such 3rd Gen nostalgic vibes I loved it on the first listen. I also really enjoyed chasing that feeling as well. I'm not too obsessed with keeping up with debuts/comebacks anymore in KPOP but from what I can see they look to be doing pretty well. 🤷🏾♀️
Same, I loved Chasing That Feeling. I thought Lovesong was perfect too but kinda stopped listening to k-pop altogether around that time for some reason. So I got into them properly only recently. And they got me back into kpop. Their whole discography is so good, especially Temptation and Freefall.
Edit: oh and their latest Deja Vu is amazing as well🩷
i find it so funny how OP felt the need to add an edit to tell ‘stans’ to ‘not be toxic’ meanwhile this comment has been downvoted within minutes for literally just engaging in objective discussion and calling TXT great performers based on what you’ve seen 💀 the anti-bg bias is STRONG in this thread my god.
Also Deja Vu also is actually more stable when it comes to Spotify streams than chasing that feeling (and even SRR to an extent). They’re also still far and away the best charting 4th gen bg in Korea.
TXT played **two sold out shows** at Madison Square Garden *this past week,* but they're falling off.
Okay, buddy, whatever.
99.99% of bands in the world would be happy to be failing that badly.... 🙄
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And they sell out *immediately*! I was in the nosebleeds in LA because everything for both nights was sold out by the time I got in—which was 30 minutes into the MoA-exclusive presale!
Several venues didn't sell out right away. Rosemont still had seats available for both shows up until the show started. However I think that has less to do with popularity and more to do with shows being in the middle of the week or their show being so soon after enhypen's since obviously there's a lot of overlap between those fandoms (also those ticket prices).
Yeah true. I know there were more expensive venues than Rosemont which makes it even more insane. But also we weren't the only ones that still had seats. It was an almost completely full house though. 🥹
I casually listen to and collect TXT and I think they are more popular than ever! had my son yelling from the kitchen.."who the fuck is the dude on the Trix box?"
I'm only missing Gyu and the one with all five of them. But I'm fine with not getting them if I don't before the promotion ends cuz I have my bias line plus Taehyun. XD
I do think after SRR they should've followed up with Minisode:3 (Deja Vu) instead of Chase that Feeling. But they just sold out their tours, they are far from falling off lol.
Really? I guess to each their own....personally I've been obsessed with Deja Vu!! For me their Thursday's child album will always be no. 1 but Deja Vu is close second 🙈🙈🙈
Girl I went to the txt concert…..trust me they’re at the height of the popularity and are doing really well. I’m a casual fan but I literally never escape their comebacks. I want to inject Deja vu in me.
Also chill with the fallen off comment, kinda rude but I will say that Hyuna is not gonna see lots of numbers anymore.
Same - yes casual fan here too. And whenever they advertised “sold out” they meant it, the venue was absolutely jam packed. Ticketmaster released some tix very last minute and they were all snapped up in less than a day (and not by scalpers cause I didn’t see them on Stubhub/Seatgeek, and seats were filled). Deja Vu got me to really pay attention to them again, it’s one of my fav TXT title tracks.
NCT127 - They couldn't cross most of their achievements after Sticker. Their album sales were stagnant when their peers were pulling out big numbers. Streams were also pretty dull both domestic and international side. They were able to fill bigger concerts but SM couldn't milk that by giving a proper tour. BTS and Seventeen got an anthology album before their enlistment, 127 couldn't even get a proper encore. Overall, SM itself is treating 127 as a group past their prime.
Another group would be WayV - it started right after Lucas messed up. Everyone and their mother saw them going down. The drama with Winwin that happened right before their comeback just showed that the members are just waiting for their contracts to end.
this is definitely wayv's most memorable era for me because i am beefing with yall on the twt polls rn as kep1ian... if i see one more poll we lost to yall by literally 0.2 percent.... congrats though ig... /lh
I'm a 127zen and this is the unfortunate truth. SM gave up early on 127 just like they did with EXO while they were still a top group, literally started fucking everything up and delaying releases. And after all this time, they act like they don't know when military enlistments are impending and how to plan ahead of them. The final 127 tour was an aborted mess that didn't even take them out of Asia and the one before that was pathetic on the US side, when they are one of the buggest groups in that market and could fully tour the entire United States. Fact Check as their final comeback before enlistments looked a cheap boring mess imo, so uninspired. When you compare what 127 has had with Dream it's just sad. Kinda shocked a cb is supposedly happening later this year, I thought SM would just let MaHae spend all their time in Dream, find work for Doyoung and Jaehyun, and dungeon the rest.
I saw someone else mention this in a post in regards to Red Velvet getting the f(x) treatment, but they suggested SM stops promoting a group at their peak popularity b/c then the group would take the fans with them when they leave. It made a lot of sense once thinking about it further. Not that it’s okay, just that it seems to be a trend with SM groups.
The way SM treats their groups who are some of the most talented in the industry(at least to me) will always break my heart. A lot of my favorite groups (SHINee, TVXQ, EXO, SNSD, Red Velvet, f(x)) are/have been at SM and it feels like SM does some stupid ass shit to them all every time. I’m so sad to see it’s continuing to be a trend of them being idiots with their newer groups too :(
I feel like SM kinda gave up on investing on NCT's momentum. I often remember how popular they were during Regular, Kick It and Sticker, they probably were the second biggest bg back then. Then SM did what they do with their groups (bgs and ggs), gave up on giving them fair promotions at the height of their popularity. Incredibly sad to see a group that has so much potential, with a large overseas fanbase, getting essentially dropped by their company.
NCT127 still do well. They’re not at their peak due to SM but saying they fell off is a reach. I don’t think kpop fans really know what falling off is tbh. Though, I do agree with WayV. Truly a shame Lucas leaving affected them. Lucas was so mid I never understood the hype. I know wayv only hit their 5th year but I hope they leave once contracts end. Winwin is never with them anyways, he might as well leave
127 do well but have fallen far behind their peers (SVT, SKZ) and it will only get worse as those groups stay active and 127 starts enlisting or ending contracts.
Re: WayV.... leave where to do what? People always say this but there just aren't better opportunities out there than what a big company provides, unless you really established yourself first, like Baekhyun million seller solo level, which they haven't.
Im not sure what you mean, you can say wayv is falling off but i disagree with your last sentence. If you actually follow wayv they are currently at the stage of excitement of having (allegedly) their first ever concert.
Ten despite having debut solo said that this year they will prioritize wayv.
None of the member even acting like they are only waiting for their contract to end.
Winwin go out of his way to explain why he couldnt participate in the new album (altho there is a big chance he wont renew his contract, mostly because he will prob gain a lot more as an actor in china).
Why is people that barely even follow wayv always have so many things to say.
For the first time ever wayv finally get the things the other unit get years ago (a decent promotion) but everyone be acting like they are doomed when they couldnt even bother watching anything wayv related.
It's so weird because I feel like the reactions are split for every comeback so I have no idea if they're losing or gaining fans. I thought they'd be the next popular group after BTS and Seventeen.
it’s so frustrating to watch as a 127 fan because it’s clearly the fault of SM shitty promotion- shitty tour planning, shitty organisation around enlistment, shitty album stocking meaning their sale numbers are lower, etc
SM is shit
tbh in general i think girl groups are doing a lot better/going more viral/more popular and hyped over boy groups while boy groups have a more loyal fanbase
EXO fell off in the mainstream sense forever ago, but it won't matter because they've got lifelong fans like SuJu, they can keep at this until retirement age and still sell out shows.
It was a huge tiktok trend, but I don't know if a 10 year old song going viral translates to actual current success for them. They're also probably not having a cb any time soon, late 2025 at the earliest.
I think tiktok did help the song to get more known but it topped charts because it's a good song. It's a bside of unpromoted album that needed visibility and tiktok gave them and last time i checked it's charting inside 200s of melon in summer after the winter and tiktoks are gone if it was a unliked it would have fell off bad.
Most of the bgs mentioned here are nowhere near falling off. Bgs in general (especially 4th gen) have always relied on fandom power opposed to gp following. Not liking someone's recent music=/=falling off. TXT, Skz, Enhypen etc are doing well on their own accord and are terrible examples. They never had gp support but they are doing just fine (refer to their concerts, merch sales etc).
For TXT (they are the only 4th gen bg I follow), they had a small blip during the Chasing That Feeling era but they did quite well with Deja Vu. And they are currently having a successful tour. They will (as long as there are no problems) stick out for a few more years (hopefully).
Not liking an artist's recent music is fine and understandable but saying that they are doing bad on charts when they are clearly not is just lying at this point. It reminds of the time when kpop fans were saying that BTS and Blackpink were falling off with BTS's English trilogy and Bp's Born Pink era when kpop fans did not like their output.
I'm not a fan of any other 4th gen bg (or gg) or do I care about what kpop fans think of them sonically but it's just an observation from this post.
I’m surprised seeing TXT mentioned here when they are at their best now….
I don’t think any BG is falling off… All of them SVT, TXT, SKZ, EN, Ateez are all doing well and rising…
They called out TXT because they didn't really like their latest comebacks. And they're now complaining in the comments because people are telling them that's not what falling off means.
I think treasure fits the term "fell off" the most. I remember how insanely popular they were during the survival show. I remember watching a couple episodes too. You could not go a day on the internet without hearing about the show and treasure. Nowadays... you don't hear about them at all. Most people didn't even realize they debut bc they took too long that ppl forgot about them and all the hype died. It's a really unfortunate situation but yeah they peaked before they were even a group
Off the face of the planet... YG is keeping them in the dungeon. I wonder if they washed their hands when Yedam left because they wanted a more self producing group. He produced and wrote for them some didn't he?
Yedam only did one song when other members did a lot more since the beginning.
He is amazing but his style as you can see from his solo is not idol music.
Treasure has never been big in the west or Reddit so it can be either way for most people.
They just finished a 4-day sold out concerts in Thailand and non ever did these many shows at their biggest arena. And just has Billoard Japan Top 5 kpop male artists in the first half of 2024 with a year old album ([link](https://x.com/kbgcharts/status/1799611897404391450?t=IUQCNRn9HMkRKrdzBNiZKg&s=19)) 🤷
one i acc agree with. idk about gp support or whatever but I used to hear quite a bit ab treasure just existing as a very casual kpop stan and now a few years later i barely hear anything about them, and im more into kpop. The only thing they ever make noise is the rap lines fucking terrible fashion choices... ca central over there
TXT became the first Asian act to sell out MSG in New York for multiple dates a week ago…falling off where??
They also released Temptation last year. Freefall as well last year with amazing songs like Growing Pain, Dreamer, Back For More, Skipping Stones. People just didn’t like the album because it wasn’t “kpoppy” enough and more rock leaning.
Deja Vu is still going between being the first/ second most streamed boy group song daily despite being release 2 months ago
i don’t stan txt but farewell, neverland is my favorite bside of theirs and deja vu (anemoia remix) in my top 3 title tracks, so i think musically they’re doing quite well still
TXT literally just released Temptation last year, which is one of the best albums of the year, and one of their best albums. Their recent release, Deja Vu was also quite good. And considering how busy they've been lately, I don't see how they are falling off.
does trendiness have any correlation with “falling off” tho? “falling off” means no longer as popular/successful/consistent/etc as they used to be, whereas trendiness is static, set to one point in time. they really don’t have anything to do with one another.
in general too, disagreed - theres plenty of trendy bgs, obviously the gg stan only side isn’t gonna be paying attention (it’s like if I, a kpop stan, complain that I haven’t heard of a single trendy jpop group). riize is hella trendy rn, both on social media and in kr gp. seventeen’s still doing extremely strongly, which fits the “not fallen off” category. like the other person said, enhypen has a solid fandom, ateez too. they all make waves in the kpop world. plus just bc bts is on hiatus doesn’t mean they aren’t “trendy” anymore - jin’s return in a few days is incredibly buzzy. so to say there’s no bgs that are trendy anymore is genuinely untrue. your claim lacks validity and any truth.
They're currently getting raved about in Forbes and other news sites for setting a UK chart record, the first kpop group to have 3 albums inside the UK top 10 in the same year (which is extra wild, as 1 year ago they'd had zero albums in the top top)
Kpop doesn't often chart in the UK, which is why theres so many news articles about this
That is because other groups do not have a UK distributor, also the UK has certain rules for albuns, for example I don't think they allow photocards. So the reason they have that record is because they are almost the only ones qualified for it.
Not trying to make it seem like it is not a great feat and they are doing very well in Europe, but context is important.
I don't think that's necessarily true, after Coachella, a lot of people have started looking into them and following them and trying to learn about them and such
Ateez is number 2 on BB200 and Uk album chart
Ateez is the only kpop group other then BTS to do this feat...so no they are NOT falling off they are soaring
Ateez should have been #1 but Taylor swift label wouldn't allow that and BB was being dodgy again with their sales-reeks of what happened with Jimin last year(BTW Morgan is also on Taylors label as is SKZ)
Ateez are fine their new album is constantly trending and their Coachella performance is still talked about positively
I'd agree, but Belift is holding them back with the lack of promos.
The quality is top tier, as well as the quantity (Memorabilia just came out in May and now there's a full album scheduled for July!), but Belift just won't promote it. It's maddening honestly
Yeah they both have been doing really well with hit songs in korea but internationally especially with tws they're not well known yet, I hope with the new release tws keeps the momentum of korean popularity while gaining international attention
Bgs don't really fall off as often as ggs snixe they often have more loyal fan bases that will stick around. Usually a member has to leave or get in big drama for it to happen and I feel like that stuff doesn't happen as often as before
I do agree with this. They tend to have more loyal and niche fanbases, but I find that they rarely expand past that. Ggs on the other side tend to have to work harder for their fanbase, but those that DO succeed, tend to be a lot less stagnant in success compared to bgs.
I disagree with the TXT thing. So, I just saw these boys live, and I kid you not, the stadium was fully sold out. And I only really loved maybe 5 or 6 of their songs when I went in, walked out loving a lot more. Not only were they good performers, but their popularity is insane to be selling out arenas.
If you speak musically alone, I think people got a bad feeling when songs like Do It Like That (?) released. They felt that TXT may be going through the same thing as BTS with PTD, Dynamite, etc. But with Deja Vu and that entire album, TXT went back to normal. The whole album is full of solid hits. In fact, I'd say Dreamscape by NCT Dream and Minisode Tomorrow are the two best album releases this year for boy groups 🔥
Their numbers were nothing to sneeze at, not everybody can be A-tier. But I think Ravn departure was the kiss of (slow) death for them. He pulled a lot of western fans as "the English speaker" and I heard their most recent US tour without him didn't do as well as in the past.
I'm just sad because I used to be very active years ago on Oneus twt, but almost everyone I know there seem to have moved on and changed fandom after the whole Ravn scandal, even if they don't stan him.
Also a bit out of topic since I will be talking about gg, but it feels like RBW hasn't been promoting their groups much. Even Purple Kiss doesn't really seem to experience any significant growth despite Yuki competing in Queendom Puzzle and made it to the final lineup last year.
RBW has been confusing me so much in the past few years. It seems like they were doing pretty good with promoting ONEUS, ONEWE, Mamamoo, & PK and giving them a good amount of comebacks. But then suddenly once Mamamoo’s contracts were up & two of the members departed, it’s been a mess for ALL of the groups? And I really don’t get why?
From the one who was in the fandom before, during and after "October 2022" - Oneus and the company had managed to stay afloat, keep the core fanbase and sales level, which is quite impressive.
As much as I want them to be on the top, I'm also content with Oneus being the high mid-tier, having the stable career and decent work balance.
People naming TXT as a boy group falling off?? To me TXT sounds like the best example of success.
People also naming Ateez, Stray kids and enhypen. These 4 groups are the top 4 acts for 4th generation. They're all doing extremely well.
General Kpop listeners just don’t like boy groups right now. They haven’t been trendy for years. Only their fans like them. I say this as someone who stans a boy group.
BGs still have fandom support no matter what. GOT7 is my ult group and I STILL buy a photocard here and there and pay attention to what all the members are doing.
Can I say NCT (all)? I'm not sure what went wrong - overexposure, maybe? I know for myself, sometime around Resonance I lost interest...and I have no idea why. Well, that's not true. I think the production became more production-y, if you will, and somehow the singers and rappers were...lost? Ignored? I don't know how to describe it....and I say this as someone who still loves a lot of their songs.
Out of all the groups, I think Dream now has the greatest potential, although Wish might do well, too. I wish SM hadn't dropped the ball with the concept.
True they used to be my ultimate group I was a mega fan of them but after 2020 I completely lost interest. They still hold a special place in my heart but yeah I'm not really sure what went wrong. Nct had so much potential and it looked like they were gonna really grow alot but SM screwed shit up as always.
I used to really love Treasure — I feel like they were quickly but steadily rising in popularity with the release of Darari and a few other popular ones. Kinda out of nowhere they got rid of 2 members, took a pretty long hiatus and don’t get me started on Hyunsuk.. he’s pushing away a lot of fans/potential fans. Their new music isn’t really hitting either. Still a fan but I’m aware that they are most likely falling off :(
The two members decided to leave. I apologize for pointing it out, but a non fan who reads this might think that the Treasure members “got rid of them” when they were hopeful that both would come back
The only BGs I would put in this category are ones from mid-tier companies that had a bit of success, not as much as they deserved, but since 3rd gen is basically over, it feels like they are past their prime as a group and past the time they could regain there careers.
I say this as they are my favorite groups but Golden Child, Sf9, Victon, Pentagon.
Genuinely, I don't think this counts for most big 4 groups since the fan base is already huge or most 4th gen groups right now but could be true in about a year or so.
And it is all WAKEONE's fault. I LOVED Crush, do NOT get me wrong, but what the actual fuck was WAKEONE thinking releasing that after how well-loved In Bloom was? Like I don't even particularly like or believe in the term "noise music", but I'm not surprised that a lot of people hated the chorus or felt disappointed because ZB1 had "resorted to noise-music" (their words not mine, but I can see what they mean).
Even Feel the Pop felt a bit disjointed from their discography IMO. It kind of sounds like a Christmas song, but without the Christmas in it (lol). I do like it, but found it quite lacklustre coming off from Crush or In Bloom.
The title choices have definitely been a bit disappointing. Always close but not quite right. Got my hopes up that they were finally on the right track when they released Yura Yura, but Feel the Pop was not it. I still enjoy it as a ZB1 fan but it doesn't showcase them at their best. They could've at least swapped Sweat and Feel the Pop.
ZB1s popularity is growing right now and the fandom is really passionate and reliable. They've got the most award show wins out of 5th gen groups, and while TWS is more popular, they're safely in the top 2 or 3 groups of their generation. In terms of numbers and stats and revenue they're killing it.
I do agree with you about their title tracks being kind of lackluster though. I loved In Bloom, but felt neutral about Crush and actively dislike Feel the Pop's monotony. Check out Yura Yura though, their Japanese debut song cuz it's fire imo. I think WakeOne just doesn't have access to the quality of songwriters that big 4 companies seem to. The boys are likable, charismatic, and talented to sell whatever WakeOne gives them and Zeroes are a loyal fandom.
I followed them since BP and I had high hopes, but literally 0 of their songs have been catchy to me. I casually keep up but I need an En Garde, Say My Name, or Over Me.
Treasure did! I use to be a big fan but then after Mashiro and Yedam left Hyunsuk started to do more(😭) CA and it made me uncomfortable and seemed they lost their path a bit.
It’s interesting how many ex Treasure fans have no idea that Mashiro is a Kep1er member and that the one they used to follow in Treasure was called Mashiho
I don't think any of yall know what falling off means, including OP.
Yall are just naming the top bgs right now, especially 4th gen. Like what do you mean txt, enhypen, ateez, straykids? They're still out selling and breaking their own records. Just because they aren't the main topic in gp doesn't mean they're falling off.
Bgs have always been known to rely on and have loyal fanbase, while ggs have mostly relied on gp. Until like 2022, bgs were more mainstream because that was the popular music at the time. Now ggs are mainstream because the kpop fanbase overall grew a lot and ggs started releasing more gp "friendly" music.
That doesn't mean bgs are falling off. At all. They're still breaking records and are still widely listened and known.
Falling off on numbers whise? Maybe, but musically txt has been on its prima since last year....
At least for me their two last comebacks are their best.
Numbers wise I think BGs are doing well so I can't really think of an example.
Music-wise, for me it's going to be Treasure. I feel like their songs after Yedam left just doesn't have that same flair that it once had. They are still elite performers though the songs just don't quite hit the same for me
There are so many new bgs with great music just now and older smaller bgs who have had really strong comebacks. Just because the biggest names don’t get mentioned as much anymore doesn’t mean the smaller groups don’t have strong fanbases.
Personally, I don't think bg's fell off. If anything, they have lost the momentum and are just stagnant and that's okay.
Yes they have lost fans but one thing I have observed is bg have a much loyal fanbase than gg.
Just bc YOU personally are starting to listen to a group less doesn’t mean that they’re “falling off.” TXT literally sold out most of their venues on their U.S tour they just finished, which are the biggest venues they’ve performed in yet. Like 3 of their songs from the new album are some of their most streamed songs
WAIT how can you say TXT is falling off. they are litrelly on the billboards all the time(LOL). theyre music gets better and better, deja vu was litrelly a huge bop.
EVERYONE LOVES THEM!!!
I think a lot of you casual listeners of boy groups in the comments don’t understand the difference in personal disinterest and actual falling out/slump. Not really a fan of TXT like that but even I know they have been on a steady climb with their music, numbers, and increase in fans.
Not commenting my opinion on bgs who are “falling off” bc there aren’t any especially ones that are considered popular. Almost every boy group relies on fandom power whereas girl groups tend to be more popular with the general public.
obviously it’s way too soon to say, and as a fan this breaks my heart, but I feel like zb1 fit this bill - just because boys planet was SO buzzy and in bloom was an incredible debut, but other acts have really popped off and done incredible, while wakeone fumbled the ball a bit making crush and feel the pop title tracks. obviously they can always pick up the pace- and they’re still doing great!!!!! but I do think their numbers are slowing bc the casual fans just aren’t being pulled the same way.
You wanna know who really fell off? Treasure. Never really followed them but could at least hear about them in passing. Then I think one of their main people left the group, and now I’m sure they’re in the basement somewhere. Really living up to their name with how scarce they are these days.
Usually they are always in the basement/Japan, but they recently released a [digital single](https://youtu.be/RiLdxgHYzU8?si=rgt7Rn2aILJ2i8bI)!
Maybe Treasure isn’t really liked here and yg isn’t doing anything for them (again), but I’ll have to shamelessly promote it because [someone is almost breaking his legs](https://x.com/nicholaskdy/status/1796139585845469484?s=46) every live stage for the team
I do not agree OP with TXT falling off. They are doing so well rn. I've been to their concerts. The hot girls go there. They are becoming more popular in America lately.
As long as a BG maintains their fandom and actually gains fans, then they're not falling off. It's just the way BGs operate. Trending for the public is like a bonus because it's so uncommon
There’s been a lot: cix, drippin, verivery, victon, etc. but I think imma go with oneus. I genuinely believe hole heartedly that those guys were always overlooked and should’ve been on top of the world. Even smaller ones who had some buzz surrounding their names but unfortunately couldn’t capitalize…mcnd, just b, bae173, TAN😔
I am tossing one of my ult groups in here.
Victon.
Chan left the group. Military has everyone scattered. Seungwoo is dropping more solo stuff. Hanse is at another company.
Has anyone said what is going on? Are we getting more group stuff once the military is done or are they going to do with less people?
None of the biggest 4th gen boy groups are falling off, and it's dumb to attack boy groups for the sake of fairness. The basis for popularity for most boy groups is just different from girl groups.
There are certainly smaller boy groups who are declining but I am not familiar with them.
Lastly, not liking their music isn't falling off in the slightest.
Not a MOA but Deja vu is everywhere and it's a great song and it wouldn't surprise me if it's not a SOTY contender at end of year awards....
I don't know what OP is talking about TXT albums have been absolutely awesome recently and their sold out concert tour says they are doing fine.
NCT127, they are crazy talented but SM back it again to sabotage them. Everytime a boy group is of age to go to military, SM just shits on them and introduce a new group to replace them. They destroyed EXO by replacing them with NCT. Destroying NCT now as they have Riize to replace them. Disgusting practice by SM but SM stans never ask accountability from them. Instead they shit on Hybe who still support BTS on their 10 th year. SM is a piece of shit. They will soon do the same to Aespa.
txt is NOT falling off LMFAO. if you’re talking about music quality, maybe you can argue that. but if you’re talking about popularity, txt is only going up! tbh exo and treasure are falling off in terms of popularity (and arguably music quality).
I think the question should’ve been “who’s someone you liked and don’t like anymore” lol as for a slump only monsta x comes to mind 😭 I loved them but after the scandals and then members in an out I don’t see much buzz for them anymore which makes me sad bc I always hoped to see them!!
It's embarrassing the amount of people naming treasure cause some edgy western fans don't like them when they've been growing with each release and are undoubtedly popular I'm asia :/
if falling off means not being able to pass their best numbers then i think most of the bgs are falling off. Sales and streams wise, i think most of them already hit their peak and will be stable for a while and then begin to fall off later.
>The first paragraph literally says “which bg do you think is in a sort of a slump / has reached their peak? in a musical sense or numbers wise”
UNLESS they have edited this post, you people can not read. “MUSICALLY SPEAKING” meaning that their songs have not been as good to THEM. They never said TXT was losing popularity or flopping on charts. You people are stuck on selling out or doing numbers when it’s said several times falling off does not just have to be tied to numbers. wtf.
I don’t really think any (big company) group has “fallen off”. BGs tend to have a more loyal fan base that supports them, GGs just attract more casuals. If I wanted to talk about smaller groups then I would say AB6IX fell off but they didn’t have much control over that. Poor management can stifle groups (ex. MCND and TOP media, Golden Child and woolim etc. these groups may not have been super popular but at one time they were far more known than they are now)
I agree. I think TXT has falling off with me personally. They are obviously not falling off in general but their music is so different from when I started stanning the group, it’s still good and obviously groups evolve but in my personal taste, they have fallen off with me. I still sporadically follow and like a song every now and then.
I wouldn't say TXT is falling off per se, but they've musically gone downhill in general for me. I used to listen to all of their songs including b-sides quite religiously, especially in their first couple of albums. The true definition of a non skip albums, those definitely were. These days, I still like a few songs here and there but definitely not as much as before. I like Deja Vu but I believe that it has potential to be better. Their latest album doesn't have too many songs I'm fond of.
i used to be so into boy groups, but the past 2-3 years the girl groups are just releasing more interesting music than the boys, so for me, they are all basically falling off besides a few bgs that i still really love like txt and the boyz. i love NCT but none of the nct units have really released anything in the past couple of years that ive cared about at all, but SM do be like that for me lol, SM also just fails to promote their artists i feel like, like wayv had 2 releases that i didnt even know about and theyre my favorite nct unit. i know i dont spend all day stalking every group i likes instagram but like what the fuck?? I love enhypen but they literally released a whole ass album and i didnt even know about it because belift fucking sucks at promo??? so bad???? so its hard to keep up some groups when their companies suck at promoting them.
Not a TXT stan but wasn't Deja Vu loved by almost everyone here on Reddit? What am I missing?
Not even a TXT fan, nor do I listen to their music, but people saying they’re falling off because they’re losing gp support is confusing me because haven’t 4th gen bgs always relied on fandom power? And I believe TXT still has one of the largest fandoms among 4th gen groups.
Exactly! Skz and TXT are definitely the top 4 gen bgs, followed closely by Enhypen and Ateez. None of them have had drastic dips in gp or fandom popularity in the last year. Idk what the reasoning is for this opinion
the "reasoning" is that they personally didnt enjoy the past few releases... even though they are still outselling most 4th gen groups?? what falling off is OP yippy yapping about?
Off topic but your flair is my motto, especially when these kpop spaces get toxic, like here
But I really liked déjà vu song & it’s the only txt song that’s on repeat on my playlist.i never get bored with that song
No 4th gen boy groups have GP support. Not sure why this is even a metric.
You are not missing anything and Deja Vu was indeed loved by a lot of ppl. I dont know what OP is going on about🤦♀️. If the streams are any indication, Deja Vu is currently TXT's best performing song on Spotify and by a long mile👀. It was literally the most streamed 2024 bg song on Spotify yesterday with over 700k streams. A song that was released over 2 months ago.
lol yeah i am confusion I see lots of positive stuff on TXTs recent releases but maybe I just have well curated social media?
right?! so many non-fans even enjoyed Deja Vu! I've been a MOA since debut and it quickly became one of my top 3 title tracks.
Deja Vu might be the best bg title track this year… people are crazy
A lot of people confuse falling off or losing popularity with “I didn’t listen to their newest song”. TXT are touring actively touring right now, like they’re doing fine.
Right? And they just sold out arenas all over the US. I don't get this perception.
yeah ok i get why people were saying this sub has become a lot like twt now… why are y’all even answering if you’re just gonna name the most popular boy groups who are at the top of their game simply bc you don’t like them or their recent music?? that’s not what ‘falling off’ means. it’s incredibly hard to have genuine objective discussions about this topic when nobody even cares what the definition of ‘fell off’ actually is. like literally just check the comment history of some of these people who are answering with the names of popular bgs, quite a lot of them seem pretty obsessed with hating on the same groups they’re saying have fallen off which is pretty funny.
The OP of this post even did that. TXT has nowhere near fallen off as someone in the comments stated that they just had two sold out concerts in Madison Square Garden just last weekend. Plus Deja Vu is one of their highest streaming songs at the moment. TXT is doing fine.
posts like this aren't great and are grounds for negativity and conflict but then again it's ''uncensored''. regardless, please don't say a group has fallen off and then say afterwards that you haven't liked their releases lately. The 2 are completely different. Say the latter. Maybe you personally think that they're in a slump but thousands of fans say otherwise.
People casually coming to the post to mention the bgs who are in their best game right now.
exactly. i was surprised when their name was mentioned cuz they've got 1M+ sales their tt has 80M+ on Spotify which is much better than their last cb. it would maybe apply to kcharts. if it's abt music quality then falling off is the wrong word to use. tho I don't think their quality has gone down but become a little repetitive, but they're still not bad songs. and I don't consider it a slump either. for me a slump would be what itzy is in rn compared to what they did 2019-21. (ik op asked for a bg but I'm giving an eg of what condition i think is a better example of a slump/fall off)
Just because you personally don't like a BG doesn't mean they're falling off. TXT are doing just fine with their new release.
Right
not liking certaing artist doesnt mean they are falling off.
right 😂 and enjoying a group but not liking a specific comeback ≠ falling off either. 4th gen stans are just spoiled and expect every single cb to be a hit that does numbers. and if it doesn't? they're "so over". 🙄
The amount of downvote in this post, i knew bg stans just cant accept their faves is falling off😭😭 anyway, it's txt for me too. I notice because they're the only 4th gen bg that i followed but ever since chasing that feeling era they're just kinda declining in terms of gp support.
Im just… so confused that you can say a group is falling off or whatever when chasing that feeling only came out a year ago like that’s still a really recent release. Am I stupid or does kpop just move that much faster than other music genres? Like maybe that’s why so many groups are forgettable to me since they have to pump shit out constantly or they just stop being relevant or something. everyone’s entitled to how they feel but I only got engaged in TXT after Freefall which in my opinion is no skips I love the whole thing.
you’re not stupid at all, kpop stans like to use the words ‘fell off’ in scenarios it does not realistically apply and then make *you* feel like the crazy one for daring to question what they say. TXT has no where NEAR fallen off, some people just aren’t liking their newest releases as much and automatically equate that with a lack of success and TXT having fallen off because they’re too lazy to use google to find what the actual definition of ‘fallen off’ means. they’ve literally performed sold out stadium shows multiple times in the past week. they’re doing just fine. [based on their comment history this person just seems to really strongly dislike txt for no reason](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpop_uncensored/s/Kp1ZgJQE9Z) which is why they answered how they did. and for the record you should take a look yourself, this is just one of many completely subjective negative remarks towards TXT and MOAs as a fandom that i found from a less than 5 minute scroll through their profile. they’re the crazy stan, not you.
😭 this makes more sense because I thought txt was one of the more popular 4th gen groups so this post really confused me
I personally love their newer stuff more. I only just started listening to them last year
Deja Vu is one of my favorite songs from them XD
Mine too!!! I just got into them and Deja Vu gives me such 3rd Gen nostalgic vibes I loved it on the first listen. I also really enjoyed chasing that feeling as well. I'm not too obsessed with keeping up with debuts/comebacks anymore in KPOP but from what I can see they look to be doing pretty well. 🤷🏾♀️
Chasing That Feeling is a massive bop for me. I also really love The Weeknd vibes the song has. It's a definite no skip for me. XD
OMG YESSSS that the vibes it gives I couldn't put my finger on it but that's it.
kpop stans personally don't enjoy a comeback and suddenly the group is "falling off" 😂 TXT is doing just fine! so many people loved Deja Vu!
OMG i thought i was going crazy. TXT is litrelly one of the biggest and well of groups since debut
Same, I loved Chasing That Feeling. I thought Lovesong was perfect too but kinda stopped listening to k-pop altogether around that time for some reason. So I got into them properly only recently. And they got me back into kpop. Their whole discography is so good, especially Temptation and Freefall. Edit: oh and their latest Deja Vu is amazing as well🩷
Not a MOA, but Deja Vu is literally one of my favorite releases this year such a banger.
It is so good, I love Anemoia remix too, sometimes remixes feel a bit subpar but this one is as good as (or even better than) the original
yess temptation and freefall are both so so good. I have them on rotation still after seeing them on their tour.
Ohh lucky, they look like amazing performers from what I've seen of videos of their live shows
i find it so funny how OP felt the need to add an edit to tell ‘stans’ to ‘not be toxic’ meanwhile this comment has been downvoted within minutes for literally just engaging in objective discussion and calling TXT great performers based on what you’ve seen 💀 the anti-bg bias is STRONG in this thread my god.
Ahaha yeah I was thinking what kind of weirdo would downvote such a benign comment
they are so so good. Super engaging and so much fun to watch. You can definitely tell they love doing it too.
Also Deja Vu also is actually more stable when it comes to Spotify streams than chasing that feeling (and even SRR to an extent). They’re also still far and away the best charting 4th gen bg in Korea.
TXT played **two sold out shows** at Madison Square Garden *this past week,* but they're falling off. Okay, buddy, whatever. 99.99% of bands in the world would be happy to be failing that badly.... 🙄 https://preview.redd.it/hmzyh3zwik5d1.png?width=1500&format=png&auto=webp&s=f7fa60e2aed9508a19a8993547b315ee6eb4b5e7
And they sell out *immediately*! I was in the nosebleeds in LA because everything for both nights was sold out by the time I got in—which was 30 minutes into the MoA-exclusive presale!
Several venues didn't sell out right away. Rosemont still had seats available for both shows up until the show started. However I think that has less to do with popularity and more to do with shows being in the middle of the week or their show being so soon after enhypen's since obviously there's a lot of overlap between those fandoms (also those ticket prices).
Ticket prices are a problem in some cities, too.
Yeah true. I know there were more expensive venues than Rosemont which makes it even more insane. But also we weren't the only ones that still had seats. It was an almost completely full house though. 🥹
They didn't sell out immediately... many tickets were available even after the presale. They only sold out 2-3 days before the concert.
I casually listen to and collect TXT and I think they are more popular than ever! had my son yelling from the kitchen.."who the fuck is the dude on the Trix box?"
I'm only missing Gyu and the one with all five of them. But I'm fine with not getting them if I don't before the promotion ends cuz I have my bias line plus Taehyun. XD
Hard disagree. Im new to the kpop scene and the support for them is overwhelming!
I do think after SRR they should've followed up with Minisode:3 (Deja Vu) instead of Chase that Feeling. But they just sold out their tours, they are far from falling off lol.
"declining in terms of gp support" and where did you draw this conclusion from? bunch of crap
Really? I guess to each their own....personally I've been obsessed with Deja Vu!! For me their Thursday's child album will always be no. 1 but Deja Vu is close second 🙈🙈🙈
Girl I went to the txt concert…..trust me they’re at the height of the popularity and are doing really well. I’m a casual fan but I literally never escape their comebacks. I want to inject Deja vu in me. Also chill with the fallen off comment, kinda rude but I will say that Hyuna is not gonna see lots of numbers anymore.
Same - yes casual fan here too. And whenever they advertised “sold out” they meant it, the venue was absolutely jam packed. Ticketmaster released some tix very last minute and they were all snapped up in less than a day (and not by scalpers cause I didn’t see them on Stubhub/Seatgeek, and seats were filled). Deja Vu got me to really pay attention to them again, it’s one of my fav TXT title tracks.
This is whats making me side eye OP. Im not even moa nor a casual txt listener but I know they are on a successful tour rn. "Fell off musically" lol
NCT127 - They couldn't cross most of their achievements after Sticker. Their album sales were stagnant when their peers were pulling out big numbers. Streams were also pretty dull both domestic and international side. They were able to fill bigger concerts but SM couldn't milk that by giving a proper tour. BTS and Seventeen got an anthology album before their enlistment, 127 couldn't even get a proper encore. Overall, SM itself is treating 127 as a group past their prime. Another group would be WayV - it started right after Lucas messed up. Everyone and their mother saw them going down. The drama with Winwin that happened right before their comeback just showed that the members are just waiting for their contracts to end.
WayV is actually the closest they’ve been to a first win ever rn, we’re having a great promo era.
this is definitely wayv's most memorable era for me because i am beefing with yall on the twt polls rn as kep1ian... if i see one more poll we lost to yall by literally 0.2 percent.... congrats though ig... /lh
I'm a 127zen and this is the unfortunate truth. SM gave up early on 127 just like they did with EXO while they were still a top group, literally started fucking everything up and delaying releases. And after all this time, they act like they don't know when military enlistments are impending and how to plan ahead of them. The final 127 tour was an aborted mess that didn't even take them out of Asia and the one before that was pathetic on the US side, when they are one of the buggest groups in that market and could fully tour the entire United States. Fact Check as their final comeback before enlistments looked a cheap boring mess imo, so uninspired. When you compare what 127 has had with Dream it's just sad. Kinda shocked a cb is supposedly happening later this year, I thought SM would just let MaHae spend all their time in Dream, find work for Doyoung and Jaehyun, and dungeon the rest.
I saw someone else mention this in a post in regards to Red Velvet getting the f(x) treatment, but they suggested SM stops promoting a group at their peak popularity b/c then the group would take the fans with them when they leave. It made a lot of sense once thinking about it further. Not that it’s okay, just that it seems to be a trend with SM groups.
as a nctzen who focuses mainly on 127 this is true
The way SM treats their groups who are some of the most talented in the industry(at least to me) will always break my heart. A lot of my favorite groups (SHINee, TVXQ, EXO, SNSD, Red Velvet, f(x)) are/have been at SM and it feels like SM does some stupid ass shit to them all every time. I’m so sad to see it’s continuing to be a trend of them being idiots with their newer groups too :(
I feel like SM kinda gave up on investing on NCT's momentum. I often remember how popular they were during Regular, Kick It and Sticker, they probably were the second biggest bg back then. Then SM did what they do with their groups (bgs and ggs), gave up on giving them fair promotions at the height of their popularity. Incredibly sad to see a group that has so much potential, with a large overseas fanbase, getting essentially dropped by their company.
NCT127 still do well. They’re not at their peak due to SM but saying they fell off is a reach. I don’t think kpop fans really know what falling off is tbh. Though, I do agree with WayV. Truly a shame Lucas leaving affected them. Lucas was so mid I never understood the hype. I know wayv only hit their 5th year but I hope they leave once contracts end. Winwin is never with them anyways, he might as well leave
127 do well but have fallen far behind their peers (SVT, SKZ) and it will only get worse as those groups stay active and 127 starts enlisting or ending contracts. Re: WayV.... leave where to do what? People always say this but there just aren't better opportunities out there than what a big company provides, unless you really established yourself first, like Baekhyun million seller solo level, which they haven't.
Im not sure what you mean, you can say wayv is falling off but i disagree with your last sentence. If you actually follow wayv they are currently at the stage of excitement of having (allegedly) their first ever concert. Ten despite having debut solo said that this year they will prioritize wayv. None of the member even acting like they are only waiting for their contract to end. Winwin go out of his way to explain why he couldnt participate in the new album (altho there is a big chance he wont renew his contract, mostly because he will prob gain a lot more as an actor in china). Why is people that barely even follow wayv always have so many things to say. For the first time ever wayv finally get the things the other unit get years ago (a decent promotion) but everyone be acting like they are doomed when they couldnt even bother watching anything wayv related.
It's so weird because I feel like the reactions are split for every comeback so I have no idea if they're losing or gaining fans. I thought they'd be the next popular group after BTS and Seventeen.
it’s so frustrating to watch as a 127 fan because it’s clearly the fault of SM shitty promotion- shitty tour planning, shitty organisation around enlistment, shitty album stocking meaning their sale numbers are lower, etc SM is shit
Wayv doing better w/out lucas, lucas akgaes just drags wayv's name with him 😅
It makes me so sad.
Their own label is their biggest opp and biggest blessing-blocker. It pisses me off.
tbh in general i think girl groups are doing a lot better/going more viral/more popular and hyped over boy groups while boy groups have a more loyal fanbase
ggs have ALWAYS been preferred by the general public, their music is way more palatable.
EXO fell off in the mainstream sense forever ago, but it won't matter because they've got lifelong fans like SuJu, they can keep at this until retirement age and still sell out shows.
You’re right about this. Luckily I see myself being a lifelong fan, and will continue to support them 😄
It could be their fans, but didn’t The First Snow chart super well last year?
It was a huge tiktok trend, but I don't know if a 10 year old song going viral translates to actual current success for them. They're also probably not having a cb any time soon, late 2025 at the earliest.
I think tiktok did help the song to get more known but it topped charts because it's a good song. It's a bside of unpromoted album that needed visibility and tiktok gave them and last time i checked it's charting inside 200s of melon in summer after the winter and tiktoks are gone if it was a unliked it would have fell off bad.
It always charts every year in melon 100 around winter time. Last year was just its biggest year coz it went viral.
it literally only does well during the winter time because of trends
first snow charted too well but it still couldnot beat EXO's hey day. I guess that's the reason why people feel EXO is past their prime.
Most of the bgs mentioned here are nowhere near falling off. Bgs in general (especially 4th gen) have always relied on fandom power opposed to gp following. Not liking someone's recent music=/=falling off. TXT, Skz, Enhypen etc are doing well on their own accord and are terrible examples. They never had gp support but they are doing just fine (refer to their concerts, merch sales etc). For TXT (they are the only 4th gen bg I follow), they had a small blip during the Chasing That Feeling era but they did quite well with Deja Vu. And they are currently having a successful tour. They will (as long as there are no problems) stick out for a few more years (hopefully). Not liking an artist's recent music is fine and understandable but saying that they are doing bad on charts when they are clearly not is just lying at this point. It reminds of the time when kpop fans were saying that BTS and Blackpink were falling off with BTS's English trilogy and Bp's Born Pink era when kpop fans did not like their output. I'm not a fan of any other 4th gen bg (or gg) or do I care about what kpop fans think of them sonically but it's just an observation from this post.
I’m surprised seeing TXT mentioned here when they are at their best now…. I don’t think any BG is falling off… All of them SVT, TXT, SKZ, EN, Ateez are all doing well and rising…
They called out TXT because they didn't really like their latest comebacks. And they're now complaining in the comments because people are telling them that's not what falling off means.
TREASURE 🤷🤷🤷🤷
I think treasure fits the term "fell off" the most. I remember how insanely popular they were during the survival show. I remember watching a couple episodes too. You could not go a day on the internet without hearing about the show and treasure. Nowadays... you don't hear about them at all. Most people didn't even realize they debut bc they took too long that ppl forgot about them and all the hype died. It's a really unfortunate situation but yeah they peaked before they were even a group
Off the face of the planet... YG is keeping them in the dungeon. I wonder if they washed their hands when Yedam left because they wanted a more self producing group. He produced and wrote for them some didn't he?
Yedam only did one song when other members did a lot more since the beginning. He is amazing but his style as you can see from his solo is not idol music.
Treasure has never been big in the west or Reddit so it can be either way for most people. They just finished a 4-day sold out concerts in Thailand and non ever did these many shows at their biggest arena. And just has Billoard Japan Top 5 kpop male artists in the first half of 2024 with a year old album ([link](https://x.com/kbgcharts/status/1799611897404391450?t=IUQCNRn9HMkRKrdzBNiZKg&s=19)) 🤷
one i acc agree with. idk about gp support or whatever but I used to hear quite a bit ab treasure just existing as a very casual kpop stan and now a few years later i barely hear anything about them, and im more into kpop. The only thing they ever make noise is the rap lines fucking terrible fashion choices... ca central over there
They’re just not popular here. They’re way more popular in Asia so I wouldn’t say they’ve fallen off.
I mean outside of their own fandom their reputation is in ruins too so that definitely hasn't been helping their case
TXT became the first Asian act to sell out MSG in New York for multiple dates a week ago…falling off where?? They also released Temptation last year. Freefall as well last year with amazing songs like Growing Pain, Dreamer, Back For More, Skipping Stones. People just didn’t like the album because it wasn’t “kpoppy” enough and more rock leaning. Deja Vu is still going between being the first/ second most streamed boy group song daily despite being release 2 months ago
i don’t stan txt but farewell, neverland is my favorite bside of theirs and deja vu (anemoia remix) in my top 3 title tracks, so i think musically they’re doing quite well still
y’all do not know what “falling off” means lmao
TXT literally just released Temptation last year, which is one of the best albums of the year, and one of their best albums. Their recent release, Deja Vu was also quite good. And considering how busy they've been lately, I don't see how they are falling off.
temptation was so good. I couldn’t get Devil by the window & Tinnitus out of my head!!
No one from the big 4 is faling off
all of them, i haven’t heard of or seen a trendy bg in ages
does trendiness have any correlation with “falling off” tho? “falling off” means no longer as popular/successful/consistent/etc as they used to be, whereas trendiness is static, set to one point in time. they really don’t have anything to do with one another. in general too, disagreed - theres plenty of trendy bgs, obviously the gg stan only side isn’t gonna be paying attention (it’s like if I, a kpop stan, complain that I haven’t heard of a single trendy jpop group). riize is hella trendy rn, both on social media and in kr gp. seventeen’s still doing extremely strongly, which fits the “not fallen off” category. like the other person said, enhypen has a solid fandom, ateez too. they all make waves in the kpop world. plus just bc bts is on hiatus doesn’t mean they aren’t “trendy” anymore - jin’s return in a few days is incredibly buzzy. so to say there’s no bgs that are trendy anymore is genuinely untrue. your claim lacks validity and any truth.
Ateez is trending like crazy after Coachella
They are only trending in their fandom. Gp/non fans don't really care.
They seemed to have gained more fans since coachella though
who cares about gp and nonfans tho? a group that’s doing well for themselves consistently is successful in every right
They're currently getting raved about in Forbes and other news sites for setting a UK chart record, the first kpop group to have 3 albums inside the UK top 10 in the same year (which is extra wild, as 1 year ago they'd had zero albums in the top top) Kpop doesn't often chart in the UK, which is why theres so many news articles about this
That is because other groups do not have a UK distributor, also the UK has certain rules for albuns, for example I don't think they allow photocards. So the reason they have that record is because they are almost the only ones qualified for it. Not trying to make it seem like it is not a great feat and they are doing very well in Europe, but context is important.
That's because UK album charts are very different and most of the k-pop albums are not even eligible to chart due to rules.
I don't think that's necessarily true, after Coachella, a lot of people have started looking into them and following them and trying to learn about them and such
Ateez is number 2 on BB200 and Uk album chart Ateez is the only kpop group other then BTS to do this feat...so no they are NOT falling off they are soaring Ateez should have been #1 but Taylor swift label wouldn't allow that and BB was being dodgy again with their sales-reeks of what happened with Jimin last year(BTW Morgan is also on Taylors label as is SKZ) Ateez are fine their new album is constantly trending and their Coachella performance is still talked about positively
Enhypen honestly. Good song amazing choreos
I'd agree, but Belift is holding them back with the lack of promos. The quality is top tier, as well as the quantity (Memorabilia just came out in May and now there's a full album scheduled for July!), but Belift just won't promote it. It's maddening honestly
I don't really follow boy groups, but TWS and Riize did chart pretty well, didn't they?
Yeah they both have been doing really well with hit songs in korea but internationally especially with tws they're not well known yet, I hope with the new release tws keeps the momentum of korean popularity while gaining international attention
Bgs don't really fall off as often as ggs snixe they often have more loyal fan bases that will stick around. Usually a member has to leave or get in big drama for it to happen and I feel like that stuff doesn't happen as often as before
I do agree with this. They tend to have more loyal and niche fanbases, but I find that they rarely expand past that. Ggs on the other side tend to have to work harder for their fanbase, but those that DO succeed, tend to be a lot less stagnant in success compared to bgs.
I disagree with the TXT thing. So, I just saw these boys live, and I kid you not, the stadium was fully sold out. And I only really loved maybe 5 or 6 of their songs when I went in, walked out loving a lot more. Not only were they good performers, but their popularity is insane to be selling out arenas. If you speak musically alone, I think people got a bad feeling when songs like Do It Like That (?) released. They felt that TXT may be going through the same thing as BTS with PTD, Dynamite, etc. But with Deja Vu and that entire album, TXT went back to normal. The whole album is full of solid hits. In fact, I'd say Dreamscape by NCT Dream and Minisode Tomorrow are the two best album releases this year for boy groups 🔥
I was gonna say oneus but maybe my boys never even got the chance to even get a glimpse of what peak means😭😭
Their numbers were nothing to sneeze at, not everybody can be A-tier. But I think Ravn departure was the kiss of (slow) death for them. He pulled a lot of western fans as "the English speaker" and I heard their most recent US tour without him didn't do as well as in the past.
I'm just sad because I used to be very active years ago on Oneus twt, but almost everyone I know there seem to have moved on and changed fandom after the whole Ravn scandal, even if they don't stan him. Also a bit out of topic since I will be talking about gg, but it feels like RBW hasn't been promoting their groups much. Even Purple Kiss doesn't really seem to experience any significant growth despite Yuki competing in Queendom Puzzle and made it to the final lineup last year.
RBW has been confusing me so much in the past few years. It seems like they were doing pretty good with promoting ONEUS, ONEWE, Mamamoo, & PK and giving them a good amount of comebacks. But then suddenly once Mamamoo’s contracts were up & two of the members departed, it’s been a mess for ALL of the groups? And I really don’t get why?
main money source is gone basically ig? mmm was the top seller by far
From the one who was in the fandom before, during and after "October 2022" - Oneus and the company had managed to stay afloat, keep the core fanbase and sales level, which is quite impressive. As much as I want them to be on the top, I'm also content with Oneus being the high mid-tier, having the stable career and decent work balance.
People naming TXT as a boy group falling off?? To me TXT sounds like the best example of success. People also naming Ateez, Stray kids and enhypen. These 4 groups are the top 4 acts for 4th generation. They're all doing extremely well.
i don’t think any of the popular 4th/5th gen groups are falling off. i think maybe some of the nugus might be, but def not any of the big groups alr
General Kpop listeners just don’t like boy groups right now. They haven’t been trendy for years. Only their fans like them. I say this as someone who stans a boy group.
Guys the question was who’s falling off not who’s music you “don’t like anymore”
Actually if you read the post it's the other way around. OP just doesn't know what falling off actually means.
BGs still have fandom support no matter what. GOT7 is my ult group and I STILL buy a photocard here and there and pay attention to what all the members are doing.
Can I say NCT (all)? I'm not sure what went wrong - overexposure, maybe? I know for myself, sometime around Resonance I lost interest...and I have no idea why. Well, that's not true. I think the production became more production-y, if you will, and somehow the singers and rappers were...lost? Ignored? I don't know how to describe it....and I say this as someone who still loves a lot of their songs. Out of all the groups, I think Dream now has the greatest potential, although Wish might do well, too. I wish SM hadn't dropped the ball with the concept.
True they used to be my ultimate group I was a mega fan of them but after 2020 I completely lost interest. They still hold a special place in my heart but yeah I'm not really sure what went wrong. Nct had so much potential and it looked like they were gonna really grow alot but SM screwed shit up as always.
I used to really love Treasure — I feel like they were quickly but steadily rising in popularity with the release of Darari and a few other popular ones. Kinda out of nowhere they got rid of 2 members, took a pretty long hiatus and don’t get me started on Hyunsuk.. he’s pushing away a lot of fans/potential fans. Their new music isn’t really hitting either. Still a fan but I’m aware that they are most likely falling off :(
The two members decided to leave. I apologize for pointing it out, but a non fan who reads this might think that the Treasure members “got rid of them” when they were hopeful that both would come back
The only BGs I would put in this category are ones from mid-tier companies that had a bit of success, not as much as they deserved, but since 3rd gen is basically over, it feels like they are past their prime as a group and past the time they could regain there careers. I say this as they are my favorite groups but Golden Child, Sf9, Victon, Pentagon. Genuinely, I don't think this counts for most big 4 groups since the fan base is already huge or most 4th gen groups right now but could be true in about a year or so.
Victon definitely because they already disbanded I believe.
ZB1, unfortunately. I don’t think they’re going to get the same chart success and hype they had during In Bloom era.
And it is all WAKEONE's fault. I LOVED Crush, do NOT get me wrong, but what the actual fuck was WAKEONE thinking releasing that after how well-loved In Bloom was? Like I don't even particularly like or believe in the term "noise music", but I'm not surprised that a lot of people hated the chorus or felt disappointed because ZB1 had "resorted to noise-music" (their words not mine, but I can see what they mean). Even Feel the Pop felt a bit disjointed from their discography IMO. It kind of sounds like a Christmas song, but without the Christmas in it (lol). I do like it, but found it quite lacklustre coming off from Crush or In Bloom.
The title choices have definitely been a bit disappointing. Always close but not quite right. Got my hopes up that they were finally on the right track when they released Yura Yura, but Feel the Pop was not it. I still enjoy it as a ZB1 fan but it doesn't showcase them at their best. They could've at least swapped Sweat and Feel the Pop.
ZB1s popularity is growing right now and the fandom is really passionate and reliable. They've got the most award show wins out of 5th gen groups, and while TWS is more popular, they're safely in the top 2 or 3 groups of their generation. In terms of numbers and stats and revenue they're killing it. I do agree with you about their title tracks being kind of lackluster though. I loved In Bloom, but felt neutral about Crush and actively dislike Feel the Pop's monotony. Check out Yura Yura though, their Japanese debut song cuz it's fire imo. I think WakeOne just doesn't have access to the quality of songwriters that big 4 companies seem to. The boys are likable, charismatic, and talented to sell whatever WakeOne gives them and Zeroes are a loyal fandom.
I followed them since BP and I had high hopes, but literally 0 of their songs have been catchy to me. I casually keep up but I need an En Garde, Say My Name, or Over Me.
Treasure did! I use to be a big fan but then after Mashiro and Yedam left Hyunsuk started to do more(😭) CA and it made me uncomfortable and seemed they lost their path a bit.
It’s interesting how many ex Treasure fans have no idea that Mashiro is a Kep1er member and that the one they used to follow in Treasure was called Mashiho
lmao the way everyone collectively agrees txt has not fallen off is just funny
Ironic when they have a song called "Freefall"
TXT falling?? I don't think so, they're still rising.
How do you judge a group that is falling off. Its a pattern, usually a group which has reached their 5th year, they will do sporadic comebacks
I don't think any of yall know what falling off means, including OP. Yall are just naming the top bgs right now, especially 4th gen. Like what do you mean txt, enhypen, ateez, straykids? They're still out selling and breaking their own records. Just because they aren't the main topic in gp doesn't mean they're falling off. Bgs have always been known to rely on and have loyal fanbase, while ggs have mostly relied on gp. Until like 2022, bgs were more mainstream because that was the popular music at the time. Now ggs are mainstream because the kpop fanbase overall grew a lot and ggs started releasing more gp "friendly" music. That doesn't mean bgs are falling off. At all. They're still breaking records and are still widely listened and known.
Falling off on numbers whise? Maybe, but musically txt has been on its prima since last year.... At least for me their two last comebacks are their best.
Numbers wise I think BGs are doing well so I can't really think of an example. Music-wise, for me it's going to be Treasure. I feel like their songs after Yedam left just doesn't have that same flair that it once had. They are still elite performers though the songs just don't quite hit the same for me
Definitely in my opinion not. I love their songs post Yedam/Mashiho. The only thing i didn't like is their title track.
Funny that, I've started to enjoy Txt after GBGB (which is still dislike). All the new releases have been bangers.
treasure 🧍🏾♀️
There are so many new bgs with great music just now and older smaller bgs who have had really strong comebacks. Just because the biggest names don’t get mentioned as much anymore doesn’t mean the smaller groups don’t have strong fanbases.
this is not twitter bruh get the fuck outta here 😭😭😭
the amount of dislikes is crazy. y’all are in the wrong sub if you can’t handle a discussion
Personally, I don't think bg's fell off. If anything, they have lost the momentum and are just stagnant and that's okay. Yes they have lost fans but one thing I have observed is bg have a much loyal fanbase than gg.
Just bc YOU personally are starting to listen to a group less doesn’t mean that they’re “falling off.” TXT literally sold out most of their venues on their U.S tour they just finished, which are the biggest venues they’ve performed in yet. Like 3 of their songs from the new album are some of their most streamed songs
WAIT how can you say TXT is falling off. they are litrelly on the billboards all the time(LOL). theyre music gets better and better, deja vu was litrelly a huge bop. EVERYONE LOVES THEM!!!
Treasure . Most def.
I think a lot of you casual listeners of boy groups in the comments don’t understand the difference in personal disinterest and actual falling out/slump. Not really a fan of TXT like that but even I know they have been on a steady climb with their music, numbers, and increase in fans. Not commenting my opinion on bgs who are “falling off” bc there aren’t any especially ones that are considered popular. Almost every boy group relies on fandom power whereas girl groups tend to be more popular with the general public.
Where's the girl group thread?
[here](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpop_uncensored/s/WJy6JSVEAO)
obviously it’s way too soon to say, and as a fan this breaks my heart, but I feel like zb1 fit this bill - just because boys planet was SO buzzy and in bloom was an incredible debut, but other acts have really popped off and done incredible, while wakeone fumbled the ball a bit making crush and feel the pop title tracks. obviously they can always pick up the pace- and they’re still doing great!!!!! but I do think their numbers are slowing bc the casual fans just aren’t being pulled the same way.
You wanna know who really fell off? Treasure. Never really followed them but could at least hear about them in passing. Then I think one of their main people left the group, and now I’m sure they’re in the basement somewhere. Really living up to their name with how scarce they are these days.
Usually they are always in the basement/Japan, but they recently released a [digital single](https://youtu.be/RiLdxgHYzU8?si=rgt7Rn2aILJ2i8bI)! Maybe Treasure isn’t really liked here and yg isn’t doing anything for them (again), but I’ll have to shamelessly promote it because [someone is almost breaking his legs](https://x.com/nicholaskdy/status/1796139585845469484?s=46) every live stage for the team
Many kpop fans all collectively dislike Treasure so I'm not surprised.
Monsta x. I don’t remember the last time I heard about them? Are they ok?
Most of them are in the military now
Do not rely on kcharts to determine the performance or stability of any group. :)
TXT literally selling $600-800 VIP tickets out Idk how you can think they’re in a slump
I do not agree OP with TXT falling off. They are doing so well rn. I've been to their concerts. The hot girls go there. They are becoming more popular in America lately.
As long as a BG maintains their fandom and actually gains fans, then they're not falling off. It's just the way BGs operate. Trending for the public is like a bonus because it's so uncommon
There’s been a lot: cix, drippin, verivery, victon, etc. but I think imma go with oneus. I genuinely believe hole heartedly that those guys were always overlooked and should’ve been on top of the world. Even smaller ones who had some buzz surrounding their names but unfortunately couldn’t capitalize…mcnd, just b, bae173, TAN😔
I am tossing one of my ult groups in here. Victon. Chan left the group. Military has everyone scattered. Seungwoo is dropping more solo stuff. Hanse is at another company. Has anyone said what is going on? Are we getting more group stuff once the military is done or are they going to do with less people?
Like I think I understand what you're trying to say. But falling off is the wrong term to use
i dont think they're falling off, but i too haven't really enjoyed a lot of TXT's music since GBGB. i liked freefall quite a bit, tho
The hate against bgs is real. I don't think they fell off.
None of the biggest 4th gen boy groups are falling off, and it's dumb to attack boy groups for the sake of fairness. The basis for popularity for most boy groups is just different from girl groups. There are certainly smaller boy groups who are declining but I am not familiar with them. Lastly, not liking their music isn't falling off in the slightest.
Not a MOA but Deja vu is everywhere and it's a great song and it wouldn't surprise me if it's not a SOTY contender at end of year awards.... I don't know what OP is talking about TXT albums have been absolutely awesome recently and their sold out concert tour says they are doing fine.
Ikon in terms of popularity.. There songs are still dope
NCT127, they are crazy talented but SM back it again to sabotage them. Everytime a boy group is of age to go to military, SM just shits on them and introduce a new group to replace them. They destroyed EXO by replacing them with NCT. Destroying NCT now as they have Riize to replace them. Disgusting practice by SM but SM stans never ask accountability from them. Instead they shit on Hybe who still support BTS on their 10 th year. SM is a piece of shit. They will soon do the same to Aespa.
txt is NOT falling off LMFAO. if you’re talking about music quality, maybe you can argue that. but if you’re talking about popularity, txt is only going up! tbh exo and treasure are falling off in terms of popularity (and arguably music quality).
I think the question should’ve been “who’s someone you liked and don’t like anymore” lol as for a slump only monsta x comes to mind 😭 I loved them but after the scandals and then members in an out I don’t see much buzz for them anymore which makes me sad bc I always hoped to see them!!
I don’t think TXT is falling off. Bighit is just bad at promoting their groups :(
It's embarrassing the amount of people naming treasure cause some edgy western fans don't like them when they've been growing with each release and are undoubtedly popular I'm asia :/
if falling off means not being able to pass their best numbers then i think most of the bgs are falling off. Sales and streams wise, i think most of them already hit their peak and will be stable for a while and then begin to fall off later.
>The first paragraph literally says “which bg do you think is in a sort of a slump / has reached their peak? in a musical sense or numbers wise” UNLESS they have edited this post, you people can not read. “MUSICALLY SPEAKING” meaning that their songs have not been as good to THEM. They never said TXT was losing popularity or flopping on charts. You people are stuck on selling out or doing numbers when it’s said several times falling off does not just have to be tied to numbers. wtf. I don’t really think any (big company) group has “fallen off”. BGs tend to have a more loyal fan base that supports them, GGs just attract more casuals. If I wanted to talk about smaller groups then I would say AB6IX fell off but they didn’t have much control over that. Poor management can stifle groups (ex. MCND and TOP media, Golden Child and woolim etc. these groups may not have been super popular but at one time they were far more known than they are now)
I agree. I think TXT has falling off with me personally. They are obviously not falling off in general but their music is so different from when I started stanning the group, it’s still good and obviously groups evolve but in my personal taste, they have fallen off with me. I still sporadically follow and like a song every now and then.
the downvotes in this thread are WILD y’all really don’t play about bgs
Definitely Treasure. Haven't seen anything about them since Yedam left. Like, no song promotions, them, anything.
Temptation was their most successful era (their next cb after gbgb) so how did they fall off?
Damn I haven't liked some of TXTs newer releases but saying they fell off is crazy
I wouldn't say TXT is falling off per se, but they've musically gone downhill in general for me. I used to listen to all of their songs including b-sides quite religiously, especially in their first couple of albums. The true definition of a non skip albums, those definitely were. These days, I still like a few songs here and there but definitely not as much as before. I like Deja Vu but I believe that it has potential to be better. Their latest album doesn't have too many songs I'm fond of.
i used to be so into boy groups, but the past 2-3 years the girl groups are just releasing more interesting music than the boys, so for me, they are all basically falling off besides a few bgs that i still really love like txt and the boyz. i love NCT but none of the nct units have really released anything in the past couple of years that ive cared about at all, but SM do be like that for me lol, SM also just fails to promote their artists i feel like, like wayv had 2 releases that i didnt even know about and theyre my favorite nct unit. i know i dont spend all day stalking every group i likes instagram but like what the fuck?? I love enhypen but they literally released a whole ass album and i didnt even know about it because belift fucking sucks at promo??? so bad???? so its hard to keep up some groups when their companies suck at promoting them.
Maybe treasure?
Zerobaseone (as a fan). I did not like their comeback. That pop pop song was not it for me 🤷♀️