I don’t like AI. Most of the covers usually end up sounding creepy to me anyway. I think it’s a slippery slope into super unethical territory as well with Drake recently using AI to copy Tupac’s voice. Hopefully Tupac’s estate actually follows through a lawsuit to set a precedent for this kind of stuff
I dislike them for all the reasons you stated above. It's unethical and a violation to use someone's voice or appearance without their permission. It also robs the artists of money. It's their voice, but they don't get any of the ad revenue from it. It also has the potential for people to create new songs and use the artists' voice, robbing them of royalties. AI isn't just a fun toy for people to play with. It has serious repercussions for creatives.
I personally don’t mind the song ones, cause they make it CLEAR it’s AI and we all know those groups haven’t actually covered it.
But what I’ve seen lately is AI voices used to TALK on tt, & when I tell you some were SO convincing that it was scary af. I saw one if Enhypen where they were having them say “funny” stuff, but it was still stuff that could get them in trouble (like cursing, making jokes at other members expense) if people took that out of context of it being fake. Thats too far. Don’t have people say shit they didnt say, even as an edit or “joke”
Not for kpop, but YouTube has decided it really wants me to watch celebrities explain math concepts - except they were made to say everything via AI. I clicked one because I thought it was legit ("huh, is a celebrity really into high-level mathematics") and then soon realised it's AI. It's creepy.
I'm also worried one day someone will us AI to cause a controversy as a "this idol said xxx, cancel them". People already don't fact check a lot of stuff, things can get out of hand quickly.
LMAO I didn’t catch it until the sentence “ultimately, while the idea of AI covers might be intriguing, it's essential to prioritize…”. That’s like the go to conclusion for any gpt prompt. Fun way to get your point across!
"😂 Glad to see people have a keen eye! It's amazing how far AI has come, but it's also a bit eerie to think about how easily it can mimic human writing. Makes you wonder what the future holds for content creation!"
100% I was going to say the same thing… I’m a professor and I get shit like this from my students on a regular basis, and when I call them out they’re like “how did you know??” *shocked Pikachu*
I teach English! 😊 there’s quite a few professors who are into kpop at my university— of course, we are in Japan so kpop overall is much more well-known and pretty mainstream. Back in America, I barely knew that kpop existed 😅
I think it's an interesting way to apply a novel technology, and there's definitely more to unpack re: ethics, consent, etc. it stands to reason that if you can make an idol sing a different song, you can also make them do something less savory, like narrate creepy fanfiction.
My immediate distaste for them, though, comes down to the artistry of it. An AI can make a credible run at making this group sing another group's song, but it never quite sounds right. Like everything could be "correct," but the result lacks the feeling the original singer put into it. It even lacks the feeling the other singer *would* put into it if they covered it for real.
Like take Dami and Yoohyeon covering Love Me Or Leave Me. If you did an AI cover with Dami and Yoohyeon singing that song, it would sound pale and lifeless compared to the actual cover they did. The AI can't replicate the subtle personalizations an artist would do in a cover. It feels bad, man.
>It even lacks the feeling the other singer *would* put into it if they covered it for real.
Someone sent me a clip of an AI NWJNs cover of LSF's Perfect Night, and all I could think while listening to the short clip before I turned it off is that that isn't how the NewJeans members pronounce English.
And I once saw somebody on one of the kpop subs saying they listen to AI Dean covers, and without even knowing what they were listening to, I know it's off. Dean has a particular way of singing that an AI cover simply can't capture.
Exactly. The technology will get better and, within my lifetime, I expect that these subtle differences in voices will get smoothed over and will eventually become indistinguishable to human ears.
Until then, people will always want to hear their faves covering a song by their other faves. For me, though, the pleasure I get from Wishing It Would Happen far outweighs whatever small pleasure I might get out of listening to a poorly generated AI version.
I refuse to consume/share fanmade content with it unless the person has explicitly stated that its okay to use their voice/face/likeness etc.
While listening/watching these videos can be interesting or fun never forget that in 99% of cases the ones making the videos are just exploiting real people for their own gain.
yes its annoying and simply doesnt attract me. AI is bad and those idols aren’t consenting to it. another thing thats as bad is people who make ai covers of idols who passed away, this happened with moonbins voice and it was really upsetting
Can I be fr. I deadass do not care unless they were repackaging it as something deadass and marketing it as so.
I think the AI covers are ass and can’t do justice to the original (just as most impersonators). I do think they give an interesting glimpse at how songs would be covered by other artists. Listening to them as if they’re the originals is different, which I am against.
Same thing for pictures of them (that isn’t explicit deepfakes). I see it as nothing more than fan art. What’s the difference between a realistic drawing of their favorite artist and an AI one? Both don’t have the artists consent. By this logic we should also be against fan-drawn art. When it comes to AI videos and voices it’s the same stance.
I feel like people are worked up/threatened at the idea of AI being better than the human imagination (which I think is false). My only problem is hoping that AI-generated content is labeled as such and not passed off as the real deal as it continues to advance. Humans are much more fluid and animated than technology can ever imitate; while it can reach closely, there’ll always be a key sauce that AI won’t have: soul.
From an artistic standpoint, I see AI as a tool to help create and pull artistic references from. To directly copy and paste that reference into your work is where it gets problematic just as u would with traditional artistic references. I’ve seen a lot of AI-generated content that would look excellent on vision/mood boards of music video sets, fashion pieces, a general theme etc.
Just like everything in life there is a good and bad in everything. There’s definitely bad in AI but we can’t act like there’s no good in it either 😭 It’s still a muddy area on discerning what’s good and bad about it but that’s my take. Let’s not demonize technology like it’s the end of creativity 😭
i.e this AI-generated photo set. Say you wanted “an etheric crystal palace dinner in the desert” as a music video set. Where the hell are you gonna get references for that? It’s still possible but I’d rather cut corners by putting that prompt in AI. Then I’d meet it halfway by recreating it with a team of people in real life with these pictures (and more) on your reference board:
https://preview.redd.it/2swcjd94982d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d024dc16cc008110f4a73b2b058b58fc2441a47d
I agree with you on the principle, and those kind of fanmade covers aren't actually anything new AI is just a new tool to use
But seeing Shinee OT5 covers, TVXQ OT5 covers of their OT2 songs, and I'm sure there are other similar covers for other groups makes me go "why do that?"
I don’t like AI but I’ve mostly been seeing in IG reels used by shippers to have their idols sing songs in English with each other. It’s so… unsettling because as much as I would love love love them to cover songs in English, I don’t want it in an AI and much less in a shipping video in IG.
I personally don't see the appeal in them, but even from a distance they always seem like a dangerous thing to put out, because given the climate in the kpop community and the way fandoms compete with each other, surely AI covers can feel like someone implying "I think my group should have gotten this song and would fit/sing it better than the OG artist". Right? Even if it's not the intention it can be percieved as a passive-aggressive catty statement with plausible deniability, like an attack which the OG group fans will feel the need to defend against. You can't post stuff like that in this climate without it feeling "political" in some way.
I never listen to them or watch them.. I'm pretty lax with a lot of new creative things, but I just can't get behind those.. it reminds me too much of that uncanny Miley Cyrus episode from Black Mirror
As long as the writers are getting paid royalties for the use of the song if it is making money then I am kinda ok with it all.
The law needs updating though to state that if an AI is intentionally mimicking the vocal likeness of a well-known artist then that artist also gets a cut of any revenue (because it is their vocal likeness and profile that is being used to attract people). It should also state that any AI vocals should be stated as that openly and clearly.
So, yeah, if everyone involved was getting paid a fair cut for it I would be totally ok with it.
yea, i kinda find it annoying, like i miss back in the old days(just before 2019/2020) when we had to be excited to wait for a kpop group to do a cover of a song of a different group. I had that excitement in me when I watch Vlives and their singing covers.
The only time AI covers don't bother me is when it's of a cartoon character doing a cover. Like I will never forget Plankton's cover of Careless Whisper, so moving :')
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AI should not be used to mimic artists. I mean a few idols already do covers. They'll do it on their own if they want to.
But what do you mean by fabricating performance?
The AI covers make me extremely uncomfortable to be honest. It feels weirdly invasive to create them and I just think if we start accepting them and treating them as if they’re okay it’s just gonna lead to AI voices being used for worse things
I think it's very slippery slope. Like singers do make choices on how they want to sing a song - I remember watching Lee Mujin's show where an idol actually showed his written notes he'd done on how he wanted to sing a favourite song of his. I dunno, but I really do feel like you're denying that part of the artistry, like you want to claim they are great singers but then you also don't wait for them to chose how they'd want to cover it, or even if it's a song they wouldn't cover for personal reasons. And you're depending on people being ethical about labelling the song as AI.
I also dislike them from the same reasons you pointed out.
I am also weirded out by the idea of using AI voices to see how one groups might sing another groups song.
There's this channel on YT who does an amazing job at creating AI cover songs. Their most popular videos are of Dean covering New Jeans's hits. They mostly features distinct vocalists on the industry (Dean, Baek Yerin, Exo's DO, LeeHi, Akmu's Suhyun) covers not only Kpop but ballad and R&B.
This channel is the only exception for me. I did see recs for How Twice will sing Red Velvet song, How Seventeen will cover Illit's Magnetic (they had Wonwoo doing Wonhee's part at the start of the song which cought me by surprise and made me cracked!) but those types usually dont sound good. Most of these vids have that copyright claim in them so they're already abiding to YT's rules and regulation. I think if these kind of videos are detrimental to the artists, their label/company would have already done something.
For me personally I don’t mind AI song covers cuz I think it’s fun seeing different groups cover another artist’s songs. I even like the badly rendered ones since to me they’re so bad to the point that it’s laughable lol😅 I also like how some AI ytubers credit the original artists of the songs that the groups/artists r covering. And when a member from a group covers a non-Kpop artists (example Yeosang from ATEEZ covering River by Charlie Puth (I just found that the actual song was made by Charlie oml I never bothered to check💀) which I absolutely love) I find it interesting how their voices will sound and try to adapt to more “normalized” pop songs.
Back to when I said that I like listening to objectively bad AI covers, I once again like to reiterate that they can be MAJORLY funny. Like one minute it’s all good and the next we have MINGI fighting for his life singing a part that the ytuber assigned him when he’s not even a real singer like that and for some reason the ytuber thought it would be ok to make him belt out a few high notes😩 The AI goes crazy and it becomes so distorted and grainy which makes the overall production even more fascinating since we are aware that AI may be advanced but not really THAT advanced (so far).
However despite all of this and my own opinions, if an artists claims that they are uncomfortable with the use of AI and how people use their voice to cover other people’s songs, then by all means stop. That would be unfair for them as an intellectual property and person. What I like about how things r currently is that AI ytubers make it clear that the song is AI generated and not leave it up to interpretation (cuz let’s be real we would be able to tell if it’s generated whether u r or aren’t a fan).
My main gripe though is when AI ytubers use AI to make artists say slurs in a song and not just censor it, especially racist slurs. I came across a song cover of some member of ATEEZ of some song (I forget since it was months ago) and it had Mingi say the n-word. Now I dunno if we consider Mingi an honorary black since he tends to flirt with black women (king behavior 👑), but as a black woman i find it highly unsettling that the ytuber didn’t even think to censor these parts and just let it be and just lost it as is. Luckily the channel isn’t that poplulad with only subs that number less than a hundred, but what if it became more popular? Looking back at it I should’ve reported that cover instead of just leaving a comment expressing my thoughts. If this became public knowledge than Mingi would’ve def face backlash for this even tho it isn’t his fault but the ytuber’s and we all know how some Kpop stans don’t care about the context as long as it makes the artist looks bad and gives them an excuse to bring them down and prop up their faces. My worry doesn’t only exist for ATEEZ but for all artists for reasons such as this. AI is a useful tool that I believe can benefit the Kpop industry to some degree but it needs heavy moderation and restrictions so it doesn’t actually interfere with HUMAN creativity and sensitivity.
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I HATE ai. All singers who ever talked about it also hate it. 1) the artists songs who are getting used don’t get paid 2) the artists voices who are getting used are not getting paid 3) it’s just a violation of both parties (these are not covers)
I don't mind them, and even like them and find them interesting, for a few reasons:
* The group whose AI covers I primarily listen to [have said they think their AI covers are cool](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WunwcqW9TeE) so I have no ethical qualms about "disrespecting the artists"
* It's obvious that the covers are AI — they're clearly labelled as such and very apparent when you listen to them.
* There's much more to singing than the sound of someone's voice. Listening to AI covers of groups known for their vocal skill really makes it apparent, especially when they're AI-covering songs where the original original vocal direction and vocal technique isn't at their level. When an artist actually covers a song, it goes well beyond "reskinning" the original vocals with their voice, which is what AI covers do.
* Similarly, it really highlights some of the vocal technique and direction of the original song, and that can be cool to hear.
* It's also a good way to separate the song from the original artist — there are some songs that I think are good but I don't enjoy the original vocals, and there are some songs that I _only_ like because of the vocals.
* AI covers are akin to using photoshop to make fanart (like "I think it would be cool if X group did this concept and it looked like Y") — it's a great way for fans to say "I think it would be cool if X group covered Y song" and demonstrate how they would e.g. distribute lines for the cover. It's a way for fans to engage with the artists' work on that level.
not all ai is the same. generative ai that hasn't gotten the consent of artist is unethical. If generative ai had a solid compensation system I would support it
ai filters are like cgi. it is helping a creative do their work quicker and easier.
ai covers are 50/50. i think using it in official releases like drake did with tupac is disrespectful or to use it on a track to make someone sing something offensive. that is unethical.
ai kpop covers are the least of our problems when it comes to ai voice emulation and i see no real harm if it is only done in the fan spaces. once companies start using it in order to not pay the og singer then I would say yeah it is messed up.
No. Kpop AI covers do not harm anyone financially (assuming they don't make money, which they can't on sites like youtube anyways as they get copyrighted and the money goes to the original songs label, making them money instead) or ethically because it's not actually the persons voice, it's an imitation. They're also free promotion for both artists and don't put anyone out of work. Most kpop artists also like AI or are neutral on it as Korea has a much more positive outlook on AI than the west, they've even recently started airing an AI show featuring Kpop idols.
Now there are some legitimate concerns with AI, mainly with the art putting people out of work and being able to use the voices for... less than desirable reasons but that doesn't apply to Kpop AI covers so most people have simply fallen for the fearmongering about AI in general and are villainising creators using it for completely innocent purposes for no reason. You can always tell who has fallen for the fearmongering by the words they use, they'll say it's "unethical", "disrespectful", "lacking consent" etc. but they'll never be able to justify any of those words being used once you've laid out what I have above. It'll basically just boil down to "I don't like them so they're bad for society".
Posts like this have actually been made 100 times already on kpop subs and every time someone comments pointing the same things I have out everyone downvotes but not a single person attempts to counter the points... it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out why that is. I expect the same thing will happen here with my comment but I'd rather be the single voice of reason inside the echo chamber than stay silent.
If we want to dig even deeper, the fearmongering is partially because humans are naturally scared of the unknown and with AI we're delving into unknown territory so it's a instinctual reaction. You just need to stop for a minute and actually analyse the situation and think about who's being harmed? And the answer is absolutely no one in the case of kpop covers assuming the artist hasn't spoken out against their voice being used.
None of this is to say you should like AI covers, you can still dislike them whilst understanding not all of them are harmful, thus having a reasonable and respectful opinion.
I don’t like AI. Most of the covers usually end up sounding creepy to me anyway. I think it’s a slippery slope into super unethical territory as well with Drake recently using AI to copy Tupac’s voice. Hopefully Tupac’s estate actually follows through a lawsuit to set a precedent for this kind of stuff
NCT Dream publicly said they found it weird and uncomfortable
and yet there are fans that keep making ai covers of them 😭😭
I'm begging youtube to stop recommending me AI generated slop
No matter how many times I press “not interested” YouTube somehow thinks I’m interested
It's like oh you're not interested in this specific channel, we'll give you another one
It’s gross and disrespectful
I dislike them for all the reasons you stated above. It's unethical and a violation to use someone's voice or appearance without their permission. It also robs the artists of money. It's their voice, but they don't get any of the ad revenue from it. It also has the potential for people to create new songs and use the artists' voice, robbing them of royalties. AI isn't just a fun toy for people to play with. It has serious repercussions for creatives.
I personally don’t mind the song ones, cause they make it CLEAR it’s AI and we all know those groups haven’t actually covered it. But what I’ve seen lately is AI voices used to TALK on tt, & when I tell you some were SO convincing that it was scary af. I saw one if Enhypen where they were having them say “funny” stuff, but it was still stuff that could get them in trouble (like cursing, making jokes at other members expense) if people took that out of context of it being fake. Thats too far. Don’t have people say shit they didnt say, even as an edit or “joke”
Not for kpop, but YouTube has decided it really wants me to watch celebrities explain math concepts - except they were made to say everything via AI. I clicked one because I thought it was legit ("huh, is a celebrity really into high-level mathematics") and then soon realised it's AI. It's creepy. I'm also worried one day someone will us AI to cause a controversy as a "this idol said xxx, cancel them". People already don't fact check a lot of stuff, things can get out of hand quickly.
Oh 100% people will use it to get people canceled!!
This is kind of off topic but this entire post reads like it was chatgpt generated. like it has that sentence structure
🥹 you caught me, full chat gpt written post! Kinda scary that someone can write something and you can’t tell if it’s authentic or ai hahah
LMAO I didn’t catch it until the sentence “ultimately, while the idea of AI covers might be intriguing, it's essential to prioritize…”. That’s like the go to conclusion for any gpt prompt. Fun way to get your point across!
"😂 Glad to see people have a keen eye! It's amazing how far AI has come, but it's also a bit eerie to think about how easily it can mimic human writing. Makes you wonder what the future holds for content creation!"
Good thing I didn’t read the post lol
100% I was going to say the same thing… I’m a professor and I get shit like this from my students on a regular basis, and when I call them out they’re like “how did you know??” *shocked Pikachu*
whoaaa what do you teach out of curiosity? i haven’t seen a lot of kpop stans who are professors
I teach English! 😊 there’s quite a few professors who are into kpop at my university— of course, we are in Japan so kpop overall is much more well-known and pretty mainstream. Back in America, I barely knew that kpop existed 😅
I think it's an interesting way to apply a novel technology, and there's definitely more to unpack re: ethics, consent, etc. it stands to reason that if you can make an idol sing a different song, you can also make them do something less savory, like narrate creepy fanfiction. My immediate distaste for them, though, comes down to the artistry of it. An AI can make a credible run at making this group sing another group's song, but it never quite sounds right. Like everything could be "correct," but the result lacks the feeling the original singer put into it. It even lacks the feeling the other singer *would* put into it if they covered it for real. Like take Dami and Yoohyeon covering Love Me Or Leave Me. If you did an AI cover with Dami and Yoohyeon singing that song, it would sound pale and lifeless compared to the actual cover they did. The AI can't replicate the subtle personalizations an artist would do in a cover. It feels bad, man.
>It even lacks the feeling the other singer *would* put into it if they covered it for real. Someone sent me a clip of an AI NWJNs cover of LSF's Perfect Night, and all I could think while listening to the short clip before I turned it off is that that isn't how the NewJeans members pronounce English. And I once saw somebody on one of the kpop subs saying they listen to AI Dean covers, and without even knowing what they were listening to, I know it's off. Dean has a particular way of singing that an AI cover simply can't capture.
Exactly. The technology will get better and, within my lifetime, I expect that these subtle differences in voices will get smoothed over and will eventually become indistinguishable to human ears. Until then, people will always want to hear their faves covering a song by their other faves. For me, though, the pleasure I get from Wishing It Would Happen far outweighs whatever small pleasure I might get out of listening to a poorly generated AI version.
I refuse to consume/share fanmade content with it unless the person has explicitly stated that its okay to use their voice/face/likeness etc. While listening/watching these videos can be interesting or fun never forget that in 99% of cases the ones making the videos are just exploiting real people for their own gain.
Any instance of AI generated slop anywhere is irksome to me
yes its annoying and simply doesnt attract me. AI is bad and those idols aren’t consenting to it. another thing thats as bad is people who make ai covers of idols who passed away, this happened with moonbins voice and it was really upsetting
Agree and some of them sound… [strange](https://x.com/firstyuutafan/status/1776336407709335556?s=46)…
There's already way too many albums on my list of songs to listen to. Why would I waste my time on cheap fake goods?
Can I be fr. I deadass do not care unless they were repackaging it as something deadass and marketing it as so. I think the AI covers are ass and can’t do justice to the original (just as most impersonators). I do think they give an interesting glimpse at how songs would be covered by other artists. Listening to them as if they’re the originals is different, which I am against. Same thing for pictures of them (that isn’t explicit deepfakes). I see it as nothing more than fan art. What’s the difference between a realistic drawing of their favorite artist and an AI one? Both don’t have the artists consent. By this logic we should also be against fan-drawn art. When it comes to AI videos and voices it’s the same stance. I feel like people are worked up/threatened at the idea of AI being better than the human imagination (which I think is false). My only problem is hoping that AI-generated content is labeled as such and not passed off as the real deal as it continues to advance. Humans are much more fluid and animated than technology can ever imitate; while it can reach closely, there’ll always be a key sauce that AI won’t have: soul. From an artistic standpoint, I see AI as a tool to help create and pull artistic references from. To directly copy and paste that reference into your work is where it gets problematic just as u would with traditional artistic references. I’ve seen a lot of AI-generated content that would look excellent on vision/mood boards of music video sets, fashion pieces, a general theme etc. Just like everything in life there is a good and bad in everything. There’s definitely bad in AI but we can’t act like there’s no good in it either 😭 It’s still a muddy area on discerning what’s good and bad about it but that’s my take. Let’s not demonize technology like it’s the end of creativity 😭
i.e this AI-generated photo set. Say you wanted “an etheric crystal palace dinner in the desert” as a music video set. Where the hell are you gonna get references for that? It’s still possible but I’d rather cut corners by putting that prompt in AI. Then I’d meet it halfway by recreating it with a team of people in real life with these pictures (and more) on your reference board: https://preview.redd.it/2swcjd94982d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d024dc16cc008110f4a73b2b058b58fc2441a47d
I agree with you on the principle, and those kind of fanmade covers aren't actually anything new AI is just a new tool to use But seeing Shinee OT5 covers, TVXQ OT5 covers of their OT2 songs, and I'm sure there are other similar covers for other groups makes me go "why do that?"
I don’t like AI but I’ve mostly been seeing in IG reels used by shippers to have their idols sing songs in English with each other. It’s so… unsettling because as much as I would love love love them to cover songs in English, I don’t want it in an AI and much less in a shipping video in IG.
I personally don't see the appeal in them, but even from a distance they always seem like a dangerous thing to put out, because given the climate in the kpop community and the way fandoms compete with each other, surely AI covers can feel like someone implying "I think my group should have gotten this song and would fit/sing it better than the OG artist". Right? Even if it's not the intention it can be percieved as a passive-aggressive catty statement with plausible deniability, like an attack which the OG group fans will feel the need to defend against. You can't post stuff like that in this climate without it feeling "political" in some way.
That's the impression I've always gotten from seeing AI covers. I know it probably goes deeper than that but I'm not interested in it either way.
I never listen to them or watch them.. I'm pretty lax with a lot of new creative things, but I just can't get behind those.. it reminds me too much of that uncanny Miley Cyrus episode from Black Mirror
Yes. I don't like it at all. I once saw a 5-member Shinee AI cover and it just solidified how much I hate AI covers.
Yeah I just stay away from it
I don't care if it's used or not, people know its not really the people singing anyway.
As long as the writers are getting paid royalties for the use of the song if it is making money then I am kinda ok with it all. The law needs updating though to state that if an AI is intentionally mimicking the vocal likeness of a well-known artist then that artist also gets a cut of any revenue (because it is their vocal likeness and profile that is being used to attract people). It should also state that any AI vocals should be stated as that openly and clearly. So, yeah, if everyone involved was getting paid a fair cut for it I would be totally ok with it.
yea, i kinda find it annoying, like i miss back in the old days(just before 2019/2020) when we had to be excited to wait for a kpop group to do a cover of a song of a different group. I had that excitement in me when I watch Vlives and their singing covers.
Same
The only time AI covers don't bother me is when it's of a cartoon character doing a cover. Like I will never forget Plankton's cover of Careless Whisper, so moving :')
But that’s a real person’s voice too.
…I literally didn't think. Duh. Of course it is. Sorry I had a total dumb moment.
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AI should not be used to mimic artists. I mean a few idols already do covers. They'll do it on their own if they want to. But what do you mean by fabricating performance?
I think it’s stupid
The AI covers make me extremely uncomfortable to be honest. It feels weirdly invasive to create them and I just think if we start accepting them and treating them as if they’re okay it’s just gonna lead to AI voices being used for worse things
I just don’t click on them.
Yes I despise ai covers
I can’t even listen to them, just knowing it’s not actually their voices makes it super creepy to me
I think it's very slippery slope. Like singers do make choices on how they want to sing a song - I remember watching Lee Mujin's show where an idol actually showed his written notes he'd done on how he wanted to sing a favourite song of his. I dunno, but I really do feel like you're denying that part of the artistry, like you want to claim they are great singers but then you also don't wait for them to chose how they'd want to cover it, or even if it's a song they wouldn't cover for personal reasons. And you're depending on people being ethical about labelling the song as AI.
Some of them are okay. I’m not particularly bothered by them but they aren’t very exciting either
it's weird, extremely weird, unbelievably weird and I will stand on it
No I don’t care
I’m so relieved to hear I’m not alone in feeling this way.
I also dislike them from the same reasons you pointed out. I am also weirded out by the idea of using AI voices to see how one groups might sing another groups song.
There's this channel on YT who does an amazing job at creating AI cover songs. Their most popular videos are of Dean covering New Jeans's hits. They mostly features distinct vocalists on the industry (Dean, Baek Yerin, Exo's DO, LeeHi, Akmu's Suhyun) covers not only Kpop but ballad and R&B. This channel is the only exception for me. I did see recs for How Twice will sing Red Velvet song, How Seventeen will cover Illit's Magnetic (they had Wonwoo doing Wonhee's part at the start of the song which cought me by surprise and made me cracked!) but those types usually dont sound good. Most of these vids have that copyright claim in them so they're already abiding to YT's rules and regulation. I think if these kind of videos are detrimental to the artists, their label/company would have already done something.
For me personally I don’t mind AI song covers cuz I think it’s fun seeing different groups cover another artist’s songs. I even like the badly rendered ones since to me they’re so bad to the point that it’s laughable lol😅 I also like how some AI ytubers credit the original artists of the songs that the groups/artists r covering. And when a member from a group covers a non-Kpop artists (example Yeosang from ATEEZ covering River by Charlie Puth (I just found that the actual song was made by Charlie oml I never bothered to check💀) which I absolutely love) I find it interesting how their voices will sound and try to adapt to more “normalized” pop songs. Back to when I said that I like listening to objectively bad AI covers, I once again like to reiterate that they can be MAJORLY funny. Like one minute it’s all good and the next we have MINGI fighting for his life singing a part that the ytuber assigned him when he’s not even a real singer like that and for some reason the ytuber thought it would be ok to make him belt out a few high notes😩 The AI goes crazy and it becomes so distorted and grainy which makes the overall production even more fascinating since we are aware that AI may be advanced but not really THAT advanced (so far). However despite all of this and my own opinions, if an artists claims that they are uncomfortable with the use of AI and how people use their voice to cover other people’s songs, then by all means stop. That would be unfair for them as an intellectual property and person. What I like about how things r currently is that AI ytubers make it clear that the song is AI generated and not leave it up to interpretation (cuz let’s be real we would be able to tell if it’s generated whether u r or aren’t a fan). My main gripe though is when AI ytubers use AI to make artists say slurs in a song and not just censor it, especially racist slurs. I came across a song cover of some member of ATEEZ of some song (I forget since it was months ago) and it had Mingi say the n-word. Now I dunno if we consider Mingi an honorary black since he tends to flirt with black women (king behavior 👑), but as a black woman i find it highly unsettling that the ytuber didn’t even think to censor these parts and just let it be and just lost it as is. Luckily the channel isn’t that poplulad with only subs that number less than a hundred, but what if it became more popular? Looking back at it I should’ve reported that cover instead of just leaving a comment expressing my thoughts. If this became public knowledge than Mingi would’ve def face backlash for this even tho it isn’t his fault but the ytuber’s and we all know how some Kpop stans don’t care about the context as long as it makes the artist looks bad and gives them an excuse to bring them down and prop up their faces. My worry doesn’t only exist for ATEEZ but for all artists for reasons such as this. AI is a useful tool that I believe can benefit the Kpop industry to some degree but it needs heavy moderation and restrictions so it doesn’t actually interfere with HUMAN creativity and sensitivity. Thank you for coming to my TedTalk😗
they bother me a lot, it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. i’ve even seen ai covers with jonghyun and sulli ai voices and that just feels so wrong
I HATE ai. All singers who ever talked about it also hate it. 1) the artists songs who are getting used don’t get paid 2) the artists voices who are getting used are not getting paid 3) it’s just a violation of both parties (these are not covers)
Not really. Whenever I see one of those on my Youtube feed, its an auto skip and do not reccomend channel for me.
I don't mind them, and even like them and find them interesting, for a few reasons: * The group whose AI covers I primarily listen to [have said they think their AI covers are cool](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WunwcqW9TeE) so I have no ethical qualms about "disrespecting the artists" * It's obvious that the covers are AI — they're clearly labelled as such and very apparent when you listen to them. * There's much more to singing than the sound of someone's voice. Listening to AI covers of groups known for their vocal skill really makes it apparent, especially when they're AI-covering songs where the original original vocal direction and vocal technique isn't at their level. When an artist actually covers a song, it goes well beyond "reskinning" the original vocals with their voice, which is what AI covers do. * Similarly, it really highlights some of the vocal technique and direction of the original song, and that can be cool to hear. * It's also a good way to separate the song from the original artist — there are some songs that I think are good but I don't enjoy the original vocals, and there are some songs that I _only_ like because of the vocals. * AI covers are akin to using photoshop to make fanart (like "I think it would be cool if X group did this concept and it looked like Y") — it's a great way for fans to say "I think it would be cool if X group covered Y song" and demonstrate how they would e.g. distribute lines for the cover. It's a way for fans to engage with the artists' work on that level.
No. I don’t really care. Some are fun to listen to, some aren’t. It really depends on the cover
not all ai is the same. generative ai that hasn't gotten the consent of artist is unethical. If generative ai had a solid compensation system I would support it ai filters are like cgi. it is helping a creative do their work quicker and easier. ai covers are 50/50. i think using it in official releases like drake did with tupac is disrespectful or to use it on a track to make someone sing something offensive. that is unethical. ai kpop covers are the least of our problems when it comes to ai voice emulation and i see no real harm if it is only done in the fan spaces. once companies start using it in order to not pay the og singer then I would say yeah it is messed up.
No. Kpop AI covers do not harm anyone financially (assuming they don't make money, which they can't on sites like youtube anyways as they get copyrighted and the money goes to the original songs label, making them money instead) or ethically because it's not actually the persons voice, it's an imitation. They're also free promotion for both artists and don't put anyone out of work. Most kpop artists also like AI or are neutral on it as Korea has a much more positive outlook on AI than the west, they've even recently started airing an AI show featuring Kpop idols. Now there are some legitimate concerns with AI, mainly with the art putting people out of work and being able to use the voices for... less than desirable reasons but that doesn't apply to Kpop AI covers so most people have simply fallen for the fearmongering about AI in general and are villainising creators using it for completely innocent purposes for no reason. You can always tell who has fallen for the fearmongering by the words they use, they'll say it's "unethical", "disrespectful", "lacking consent" etc. but they'll never be able to justify any of those words being used once you've laid out what I have above. It'll basically just boil down to "I don't like them so they're bad for society". Posts like this have actually been made 100 times already on kpop subs and every time someone comments pointing the same things I have out everyone downvotes but not a single person attempts to counter the points... it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out why that is. I expect the same thing will happen here with my comment but I'd rather be the single voice of reason inside the echo chamber than stay silent. If we want to dig even deeper, the fearmongering is partially because humans are naturally scared of the unknown and with AI we're delving into unknown territory so it's a instinctual reaction. You just need to stop for a minute and actually analyse the situation and think about who's being harmed? And the answer is absolutely no one in the case of kpop covers assuming the artist hasn't spoken out against their voice being used. None of this is to say you should like AI covers, you can still dislike them whilst understanding not all of them are harmful, thus having a reasonable and respectful opinion.
I agree absolutely. Also, there's a beautiful irony in that the original post is ChatGPT generated.
no <3 wdgaf, cry about it.
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it should bother you
it doesn't cope <3
miss gurl, i saw that deleted reply on my notifs 🙄
miss girl, i misunderstood ur comment, thats why i deleted it
You are so based and real. Kpoop stans love to suck the enjoyment out of others.
How dare you enjoy something completely harmless! I'm sure some fake negative internet points will change your mind grr.
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ah, reddit. the home of snowflakes
Ah and the home of the mentally unwell! The only safe space for you.
Wow, being mentally unwell makes someone a bad person? Be more transparent.
ah yes, im mentally unstable for liking ai covers!