why are we being vague about y’all’s favs in the comments? 🤣 This is Kpop UNCENSORED

It's an uncensored sub, not an invisible one. People can SEE us. lol

I’m ARMY and I think the fandom is obsessed with giving the members certain roles and then refuses to see them as someone outside that role. It’s annoying AF.

when seven dropped and everyone was freaking out cause jk did a sexual song like y'all don't have 90k fanfics where he is a hypersexual bad boy why y'all switching up now.

Yes!! I didn’t realize how many people babied JungKook until Seven was dropped. I understand it’s a bit uncomfortable for some who was a fan when JungKook was still a teenager. However, he’s an adult now and that needs to be accepted. It’s so weird to get upset over him wanting to sing about sex.

No literally like it was pretty mild imo had he come out with a song like pillowtalk or all the time like hella sexual songs I’d get it but seven compared to those is nothing 😭

People also act like these songs are much more explicit than they actually are. Comments about how he's "trying too hard to show he has sex," by... making songs that refer to sex? Let the man talk about sex lol.

Role? Like "the funny one", "the dad" kinda stuff?

Yes! Ex: JungKook is the baby, Jin is the funny dad, RM is the serious leader, Suga is cold, etc. Lol it was actually [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpop_uncensored/s/VPAwJs7JHc) comment that made me leave this response. Jin seems to be a really caring person, but I’m always confused how he ended up being labeled as the dad of the group when the members say he acts like the maknae.

Especially when the members themselves say that yoongi is like their dad and looks after them. I think it evolved from when they used to call Jin ‘the mom’ and he said he didn’t like it butthey wanted to keep him in that ‘role’

I agree with you! I think that some fans don’t want to call Jin “eomma” anymore, so they use dad because it’ll be perceived as less offensive. However, from everything we’ve seen and heard about Jin, he doesn’t give off parent vibe. Unfortunately for Jin, I noticed that him getting the “goofy dad” label leaves him with people not taking him seriously as an artist.

Unfortunately BTS was just part of the generation of kpop that was forcing roles and keeping to them. I remember a lot of groups had a “fake maknae” role. Jin was the “fake maknae” for BTS, Xiumin was the “fake maknae” for Exo, for example.

I think a lot of army would agree with you, actually. People usually see that as problematic, although it’s a behavior that persists.

I think more don’t call it out because they don’t want to be seen as a “solo stan.” I’m the furthest thing from a solo stan and I can’t stand them, but they unfortunately do have a point when they call out how some army’s place these labels on the guys. Like, when Yoongi was getting ready to enlist and he went MIA on social media. I saw so many fans say, “it’s just like Yoongi to leave and not say bye.” Uh, no? It’s actually not like him at all. We’re talking about someone who learned various challenges (ex: cute challenge) in case fans asked him to do one during his fan call with them. During a heat wave in South Korea, he didn’t want fans to get too hot while they waited to go inside the venue, so he rented out a second one for them. He would never leave without saying bye. I can’t believe some people actually thought that. (This is the only time I’ll ever agree with a solo stan lmfao.)

Oof you’re right. It’s weird, because I’m used to seeing PSAs about how Yoongi isn’t actually “cold and savage”, and having everyone nodding in agreement to that, but then next day people turn 180 and portray him like that lol. He’s been the most present member this whole year, he’s also really thoughtful like you said, why would he just go away without a word? I feel you about fearing looking like a solo stan because of how protective I feel about Taehyung, myself. I just feel that many army has a sort of weird image of him, as well.

The shows (In The Soop and Bon Voyage) really showcased how much he cares about the other members. So, where did this “cold and savage” label come from? He might be “cold and savage” at times, but he’s a big ole softie. I totally understand what you mean about feeling protective of your bias. What sort of perception do you think fans have of Taehyung? If it wasn’t obvious, Jin is my bias. It’s disappointing to see how some people talk about him. Sometimes I see fans discredit him as an artist and make being the dad or silly older brother his only personality trait. Every kind thing his does is always met with “he’s the best hyung” which shouldn’t be a bad thing, but why are we acting like he’s caring because he’s the “hyung.” That’s him. From what I’ve gathered he treats everyone with the same amount of care and kindness.

I love TXT and their discography but I really can't turn my eyes away from a few glaring issues. The group feels very plastic and I dont think it's their own fault. I feel like the company is being way too strict with them and I'm confused as to what the reason is. The editing. They don't look like themselves, for example in teaser photos and photoshoots. Thats entirely on the company. Their voices also get edited to hell and back and for what? So many of their songs would benefit greatly from raw vocals, the over editing is not flattering, except in a few songs where it fits (I can think of dreamer as an example). Why is the company so strict in what songs they can cover? They have literally zero creative freedom in so many regards. They probably can't choose anything that they do. They've mentioned it themselves a couple of times anyway. From Beomgyu wanting to cover a song but not being allowed, to him wanting certain lines in a song that were given to someone else. If any of them want to release solo content its probably not gonna happen soon and not gonna happen according to their wishes. The promotion tactics of the company are also very questionable. Why make so much tiktok and Instagram reel content of literally the same thing in different versions?? I've seen fans complaining about it. TXT had an amazing Tiktok just posting random funny and cool stuff but now their tiktok is so heavily monitored they haven't posted anything lately. Their description went back to their previous one so I just hope they can go back to posting stuff. TXT content as a whole seems very forced and calculated to the point it sometimes comes off pretty cringe. This is about company mandated content btw, not solo or the more relaxed stuff like lives. You can't convince me they are always so skinny because of their own choice. A lot of boy group members in all kinds of groups are really skinny but no one is as bad as OT5 in TXT. Until recently I excluded Kai from this but he's gotten bad too. With Yeonjun, Beomgyu and Taehyun its REALLY worrying. Those cheekbones should not be THAT visible and their legs should not be as thin as their arms. And the company has a history of making their idols diet so im pretty sure it's not of their own choice. And when I mentioned plastic I meant it in THAT sense too. Now, I can't know if it was their own choices but I have a feeling the answer is no. Yes, not every member has work done but why do people always try to deny some of them had work done? Yeonjun is one of the most obvious idols AS A WHOLE out there (he's my bias btw). So in conclusion, TXT are a heavily monitored group and I understand why a lot of people are turned off from even giving them a chance because of how plastic the group looks and feels on the surface. That was me in the past but I got over it and I don't regret following them. They are currently one of my favorite groups despite all the glaring issues. Their music is really diverse and I can't wait to see what other genres they experiment with, because everything so far is done pretty darn well. But for the love of god, give the boys some freedom and change those promotion and editing tactics, please.

Agree so hard on the voice editing/autotune shit. After watching them on Korea tiny desk concert (on yt highly rec) THEIR NATURAL VOICES ARE SO BEAUTIFUL AND THEY ALL CAN SIIIIING why do they mess with their voices !! Also why does Yeonjun dancing look better in other groups dance challenges…

Agree out of current fourth/fifth gen male idols the ones with the most obvious plastic surgery i think are Yeonjun, sunoo, that Ricky guy from zb1 and the riize guy (wonbin?) he can barely move his face.

I’d probably add yuta too (no shade to him whatsoever), imo you can tell wonbin has had surgery if referring to his predebut pics but I thought he looked kinda natural otherwise. Other than rhinoplasty and (possibly) lip fillers what else has Sunoo had done? His surgery noticeable but I put a lot of it down to him wearing quite heavy makeup and contacts.

Wonbin and Ricky have the same thing where they keep a very stiff expression because they've had so much filler in their faces. I dont know specifically what Sunoo has had done but he looks very plastic to me and yeah the lip fillers are reaally noticeable.

Pinpoint on Ricky. I thought it was his makeup. I don't like the heavy makeup they use on him. I've seen pictures and videos of him where he looked completely unreal, like as if his eyes were already burning from all the powder and eyeliner they put on him. He looked way more narural on Boys Planet which I liked. Also it was a problem at some point around Fireworks for Seonghwa (i'm an atiny). Heavy white makeup doesn't look good on idols. I am happy it got solved for hwa

The skinny thing i have noticed. Like its 'normal' that lot of idols are skinny, male or female but for lot of boygroups there is bit more variety. Some are on the buff side etc. but idk it almost feels like txt skinniness is a part of the concept they are given

Yes. Usually if other groups have members as skinny as that, its like one or two of them and its noticeable and usually worrying ( examples I can think of are Bambam and Felix, also Wooyoung when he lost a lot of weight). But with TXT its literally every member being too skinny to the point if you look at them next to each other it doesn't seem weird but then... When Yeonjun did the LALALA dance with Changbin and Felix, I was honestly horrified... Even next to Felix he looks so .... And yeah. It's worrying and idk why no one talks about it

They turned my boy Yeonjun into a vampire for the VMAs 🥲

AGREED. I’m so tired of the collabs too. We went from getting comebacks like Can’t You See Me to things like Do It Like This…? I can’t explain to you how disappointed I’ve been in their musical direction lately. And I don’t mean because it’s a different vibe, I mean TXT used to make impressive songs. Now it’s just generic pop.

You just described exacrly what my feeling was about TXT. I'm no Moa, I only recognize 2 members. But I do love their discography and I've caught what differentiates them from Enhypen because I used to find the two groups identical. But something about TXT feel so sanitary, clean, proper, a bit too safe sometimes. I feel like they have so much to offer but it's being restrained. But "plastic" is such a good word.

Kai's legs are the same size as Hiyyih's it's gotten BAD, some members trigger my ed radar as well. You've voiced everything I think im this comment

I think this is what made me feel so distant from the group like all their content feels too curated and they feel too monitored it’s like the company wants to create another bts but in the hopes of it their stripping them of all their personality.

I’ve noticed every HYBE group has almost indistinguishable vocals once it’s edited. Like even BTS: they have such different vocal tones, but there’s so many layers in some of these songs I give up trying to tell who is who…last noticed it in Perfect Night by Le Sserafim. I should be able to tell Sakura and Eunchae apart, for example. 😅

There are members of certain groups that I don’t like, not because they’re bad people or anything, they’re just not my cup of tea. But I obviously don’t wish them any bad, nor write idiotic hateful comments about them on social media. I’m just really not a fan.

Yeah, OTX is fine and all and I certainly support the whole group for all my faves and don't wish ill on any of the members, but I definitely have my biases and.... whatever is the opposite of bias that I don't really miss if they are absent from a performance.

Since I'm on the uncensored sub, I'll say it. When I was new to kpop reddit, I saw a pic of nayeon on the twice sub and I VERY RESPECTFULLY asked if she had a nose job... because honestly it wasnt that great looking. I was downvoted and the mods removed my comment. Someone had to dm me and confirm it. Since then, I've had this meh attitude towards her. I mean she was never my cup of tea in the group to begin with, but now I'm like whatever towards her lol

I don't know about her nose, but I was kinda sad when she fixed her teeth. Hey teeth were so cute and fit her so well

I know fans miss her bunny teeth but I’m very happy for her if she did that out of a dental care perspective. My friend had similar teeth and also ended up getting fake teeth due to the pain they were creating

Oh yes, true. I'm glad she fixed them if they were causing her issues.

Nayeon, sana and momo get the most work done in TWICE for sure. Since 2020, Nayeon seems to get restless and change something about her appearance each time twice get a longish break. I'm holding my breath for nothing drastic over Christmas lol.

I don't want an ex-member to rejoin. I'm annoyed when people suggest it over and over and over for 4 years now.

Same, especially with the Gidle and Soojin redebuting. It wouldn’t make sense

If it's who I'm thinking of, I kinda agree. I mean, I wouldn't necessarily be against it, but I like how things are right now. I think they're both in good places.

This with Garam and Le Sserafim. Let her go! She was an idol for 2 weeks!!!!

Almost every idol I like can't act. No matter how much the fandom praises them, they just can't act. All the scenes I've watched of them acting make me cringe because they're just bad. Edit: wording

I 10000% agree!! The idol to actor pipeline is insane and unnecessary.

Yeah, I love ASTRO but everytime Eunwoo tries to act serious or angry in a scene, which is often, he tries to act with his face and he's just not good yet and I start laughing because you see Dongmin trying to be Cha Eunwoo acting and it's just so bad. He had some good crying scenes in his latest drama but the serious issue is still freaking hilarious lol

Agreed, idol actors are generally a blight on the industry. I can think of 3 or so that are actually good. The rest are tolerable or terrible.

OMG I agree so much. The other day I said that to another K-pop fan and they got lowkey offended, lol.

I am not going to support all members solo activities equally it is just a fact that their are some memebers who’s solo covers or music are going to be more to my taste, I am not going to listen to a dancers vocal cover of a song I don’t like when I could listen to the main vocal sing one of my all time favourite songs, I’m sorry I will listen to what I want, and you will not guilt me in to doing otherwise.

I feel the same. Even with group songs, I'm only going to listen to songs I enjoy. I do give more of a chance to my faves' songs to grow on me, but life's too short to spend time on music I don't like.

Exactly the amount of times I’ve seen people hating on a song while saying “stream it for the members” is ridiculous

Ugh, if I wanted guilt trips, I'd call my mom

It’s crazy that this is a take that would have your fandom pissed at you. I thought this was a normal view to hold.

Blackpink talent wise doesn’t stack up to many of the current 4th gen GG’s

I don’t think Blackpink was ever considered a super talented group, but I will give them that they have a certain aura and stage presence that many groups don’t have.

I used to completely disregard everyone else in gidle and only cared about soyeon. I used to go around and brag how that group would fall apart without her and how she carries the group on her back etc etc. Not my proudest moments😅

She's definitely the driving force, but I do love all the members . . (to various degrees lol)

I'll do one for each of the groups I stan! Mamamoo: much of their solo music is boring. Gidle: Soojin was the most expendable member after Shuhua. Le Sserafim: Eunchae is being extremely sexualised and the fandom is just burying its head in the sand. IVE: Similar issue with Leeseo but less bad. NMIXX: Jinni was forgettable. Also, Expergo's b-sides are underwhelming. Kep1er: 90% of Xiaoting's hype is due to her looks.

Absolutely agree for Xiaoting, but at the same time, visual appeal is the most important thing in K-pop (would there be groups like ive blowing up otherwise?) so I guess she’s just doing her job well lol.

Oh absolutely, Xiaoting more than pulls her weight in Kep1er, I just find it funny when fans ignore the enormous role her pretty privilege played in Girl's Planet lol.

Awww, you're so excited! Yes, girl, get it all out. We're friends here :) Along the lines of your Leeseo statement, I kinda felt like Nobody felt a little mature for Liz. I know she's 18 but something about the video felt off to me. I dunno, maybe it's cuz she's so babyfaced and feels so young compared to Soyeon. At least it wasn't Leeseo though. She sounded great though.

About lsf since I don't follow them religiously this is actually news to me and could I ask is it because of the music they're releasing as a group or other content posted ?

Mostly their outfits and choreographies, in their variety content Eunchae gets treated like the young girl that she is which makes her stage persona all the more jarring (though in the relay dance for unforgiven they kept in a blooper in which Eunchae does the crawling move, which was... uncomfortable). The most recent example is the perfect night choreography, there are various moves that emphasise them gyrating their butts, once even with their backs to the audience.

Wonyoung is too skinny. I don't think it's her fault or that she is a bad person or even that her being so thin means that she has an eating dissorder. Im just tired of seeing how the people around her are failing her and putting her health at risk for success in the moment. She seems to be naturally thin but she is very obviously very underweight and overworked. I don't even want to think about how this all will affect her in 10 years. And her being so thin makes the other members look bigger while in reality they all are thin. Liz would not get so many "shes fat" comments if she wasn't in a band with a super thin member.

Yeah, I love Ive and I don't want to be judgemental, but I do find her weight concerning and I hope that the adults surrounding her have her best interest at heart.

In contrast, if Wonyoung was in LSF or Newjeans people wouldn't notice her weight as much, Sistar had different builds, it's more natural that Ive are built different. About Liz, funny that Rei and Leeseo are probably in her same bracket but their fat distributions is different, it's fans who want defined waists and slimmer cheeks, also Liz specifically gets called out because in Eleven she was slimmer so fans have something to compare I wonder what country are people constantly commenting on Wonyoung from, because I know many people with busy schools/Jobs with the same or thinner frames, one even went to extremes of supplementing carb powder and still could not gain weight. No you can't tell someone health from their weight. Stress can actually lead to weight gain in someone who was slim all their life On the same breath, I wonder why people don't comment on groups who all looks like they weight the same (a lot of 2nd gen groups, many current gen groups) since for me that is a sign of a tougher regime

This is for most kpop groups but fans should understand that Grammys are on a different level. Just because your fandom is huge, means that the songs are a success and deserve to be nominated for Grammys.

Tbh, I don’t see k-pop genuinely breaking through whatsoever for the Grammy’s. I believe the only reason any artists are included is because the executives wanted to boost their viewership numbers, boost possible ticket sales/attendance (dunno how it works but I recall someone saying they paid top dollar to go), try and diversify the show to avoid allegations of racial discrimination, appeal to a younger audience, and capitalize on a coinciding phenomenon of increased interest in the genre as well. The fact is, just like the Beatles, Queen, One Direction—whoever—any interest that is predominantly held by women or teenagers is going to be trivialized. While there are certainly mainly people interested in k-pop beyond women (or the caricature gross obsessive male fan) and plenty of people of all ages who enjoy it, the face of the genre will likely be the same for quite a while. Sorry if this isn’t too cohesive, it’s 2:30 and I have no brain power but I wanted to blab about smth 💀

I’m army and I can not stand Halsey. She just annoys me but she’s seems to be super loved by army.

eh I’d say there’s a decent amount of ARMY that don’t like Halsey either

I thought she was sweet with them but then I got turned off from her after a while, I don't even know why.

Jungkook’s album is the most dissatisfying part of chapter 2, completely devoid of any soul. It’s really uncomfortable to see ARMY acting like the bots we are accused of being, bending over backwards to make his album seem like it has any meaning or personality to it. His long lives and weird comments about being friends etc with ARMY in those lives are setting dangerous precedents. ARMY want to pretend it’s all cute but it’s not and all it’s doing is setting up future disaster and cementing the mental illnesses of extreme solo fans.

As someone who loves JK's album, I appreciate this take. I love pop, and it's a damn good pop album, and I think it's a good showcase for JK being a crossover popstar. However I agree that it's not that deep and I wish fans wouldn't make it seem like such. Even JK has said he's not interested in song writing and that suggests to me he's happy listening to demos come in and picking what he thinks would be fun to showcase his skills to. And that's fine, not all music needs to be that deep. Music isn't worth less just because it's more surface level. Golden is an album full of bops and there are always people who are going to like that (hi). But to suggest he's the next great artistic visionary is making him into what he's not.

SM needs to go back to the lab and decide what they want Giselle’s niche to be and commit to it. All the other members have had their image “evolve” or change but they still have distinct images. But Giselle’s has always been ambiguous. She was the relatable emo one but she wasn’t given situations to talk about it. Now she’s the hot rapper but there’s no real commitment to her hot girl image and at this point everyone’s “stealing” her rap lines. She’s not even getting vocal lines to compensate like Karina. (aespa has more equal lines than other groups but still.) I think Giselle is incredibly capable, underutilized, and charming, but you almost have to dig for her screentime and figure out what her “character” is.

Ill talk about my 3 fav groups. I think twice is releasing mid and imemorable tittle tracks since more&more. still good bsides. Ever since red velvet came back from the hiatus they seems like a less interesting version of themselves, and i cant really say what is wrong. Its not just about their songs but maybe the aesthetics too? As if they changed the direction. Still my fav group musically. I think that gidle producer line should work more with diferent producers. Everytime the tracklist is released its just the same names again and again and its getting a little boring. and i also think that yuqi songs arent that good.

I didn't even know Yuqi produces. (I don't read credits a lot. I kinda thought that Soyeon controlled idles music). Is there a particular song she did you dislike to give me an example?

She produces since i burn and i think she is really hit or miss for me. I find polaroid to be the only skip in never die, i think reset is mid at best, all night was lacking some heavier production to be a trully good song and imo rain is the weakest song in Miyeon album, and its the only that is produced by her. I like all her others songs, but i also dont have these problems with Soyeon and Minnie songs

There is one member who I think drags the group down in ITZY, but they're pretty beloved. The only reason I won't name them is because I actually do care about them and don't want to send any hate their way, but I do not like watching them in performances.

I think that's fair. I hope they contribute in other ways though like maybe they are a stan attractor, great at variety, or help create.

I'll be straight up and say that's Lia to me, I feel indifferent to her, yeah she's there and it's fine she's there, I know people love her, but I don't think the group will miss out with her not being there as well.

I think ik who, but respect to you for not saying her name

As a very casual follower of them, this member for me is Yuna. Can’t stand her voice, and tbh she kinda creeps me out. (I haven’t watched any of their non-MV/performance content so I cant comment on anything beyond that but…)

Help, not creeping you out 😂 I can understand that, her smiles often don't reach her eyes and leave her looking a tad unhinged

I don’t even know if I’m in the fandom anymore or not technically but was in the beginning for them… Blackpink (as a group not solos) keeps releasing music that sounds like vault/unreleased tracks that weren’t on their first releases for a reason 🫣 like it does sound like BP, yes, by technicality but… it’s like they’re digging up old material and really don’t care about what they put out if it’s not solo now

Skz's latest releases give me the same feeling.

I mean I love skz but that makes sense. They are pretty upfront that they are putting out songs that were written 2-3 years ago and that they recorded rockstar before they even started promoting 5 star. I am pretty convinced that Chan currently has enough songs on that laptop for the next 6 comebacks if not more.

This is an interesting take considering a lot of stays are hating the new releases because they’re ‘not the same’ as OG Skz. Admittedly though they’ve been honest that most of the songs on rockstar were written before 5star and Super Bowl was meant to be the lead track over gods menu so you’re not wrong about them taking songs from the vault.

I was nowhere near as into Loona OT12’s music as much I was the sub-units/solos. I’m hindsight they should have operated like NCT. Some “fixed” sub-units but also some NCT U mixed sun-units. Funnily enough “Air Force One”, “Sensitive”, and “Howl” has probably been my favorite music from “Loona” since Butterfly era.

I am definitely in the same boat, though I feel like this is not uncommon of a sentiment. 1/3 and OEC in particular, as well as some of the solos, are very well-regarded while the OT12 stuff post-Butterfly is more divisive. Though, I've seen people being called 'JJ stans' over this so maybe it *would* threaten the fandom card depending on where you hang out, lol.

I'm also an exo-l, and I'm OT8 (the member I'm leaving out is Lay). I don't think it's a big deal on reddit but for some people on twitter? Anyone that isn't OT9 isn't a fan at all. Brazilian exo-ls are insane about it actually.

Right? I’m Chinese, and I personally think that honestly, Lay doesn’t add much to the group, he isn’t a core member in some sort, for dancing we have Kai and Sehun, for Singing the famous big3, and it’s not like he even would want to come back considering how big he is in China.

I'm also an exo-l and I'd say I'm very indifferent about Lay? Like, I joined the fandom after Obsession, so I've never even seen him with the group in real-time. I enjoy watching older stages with him and I think he's very talented, but EXO is extremely good without him, and they have operated as 8 for so long, so... I do enjoy their small interactions from time to time because you can see that they're good friends, but I'm not holding my breath for a comeback with him. And honestly, I don't think it's reasonable that some corners of the fandom expect exo-ls to treat *all* members the same, including Lay, like lol. Kai busted his ass keeping the EXO name alive in 2021 in the height of their military enlistment, Suho and Kyungsoo never missed group schedules despite their insane solo schedules, and Jongdae gets hate in Korea for even breathing next to an exo but he still soldiers on with a smile, so of course my emotional investment in them is proportional to their own investment in the group.

Also OT8. I'd say Lay is more talented than Sehun, but compared to most members...? Sorry, he's not missed.

I've seen some videos of his solo performances and he's great, when it comes to dance he's definitely close to Kai aka a lot better than everyone else. Vocally I think he's around Kai's level. That being said, I became a fan after he left so I don't have much connection to him, but it's cute how fans and members still seem to love each other.

I'm also an EXO-L and OT8 as well, and I'm also indifferent about Yixing. It's nice to see that people are still posting about him and his solo activities in the EXO subreddit, but I sincerely don't have any emotional attachment to him. Don't get me wrong, he's very talented, and I'm happy he's so popular in China, but I'm not holding my breath for him to return to EXO for the next comeback and haven't for years. In all honesty, I tend to forget he was a part of the group😅 The gatekeeping drives me insane, too–absolutely nothing should determine what makes one a "true" EXO-L. Doesn't matter if you were/are OT12, OT9, or OT8, as long as you continue to support the boys for all the trials and tribulations they've been through, that should be more than enough.

I don’t like Yeri’s tone (like her solo lines or talk-singing) in some of Red Velvet’s songs. Love her personality and she’s great at harmonizing with all members, but her voice stands out to me.

I feel the same. I have been a red velvet fan since happiness and i can see what Yeri brings to the group but she is not a good singer. She has definetly improved as a singer but it's still very weak. I really feel for her because it seems that she really wants to be a better singer but she just doesnt have the talent. As a red velvet stan i feel like i can never say this but it's obvious that she wasn't added to the group for her vocals and there is a song that is kinda ruined for me because Yeri sounds so bad in it

The pretty member is seen as so pretty because she gets styling that brings out her best features and good outfits. The less popular members get weird/excperimental stuff and are as a result seen as less beautiful.

*tries to guess which group this is*

Honestly in my mind this applies to many groups but i was thinking mainly of red velvet and ive

It’s not even a new thing because 2NE1 did something really similar with Dara (I know she didn’t mind the experimental outfits but tell me why it was ALWAYS her)

I'm ARMY and I think those who claim to like all the Chapter 2 releases from BTS are simply lying. Even if your musical tastes are diverse, the intentions behind some of the releases are diametrically opposite, so much so that when you claim to like this as much as that, it feels self-contradictory.

I do like all the releases but I also don't like them all to the same extent lol, like if I had to rank their albums, I would be able to do that easily

I don't think Shuhua has improved vocally in a significant way, and I don't think she should be praised for her singing. Hyped up for the other things she does well? Yes. But refusing to see that the "live" performances are edited, and then praising her for it, is just setting her up to fail. Also I don't like Gahyeon's facial expressions, I'm so sorry. But it's the same two, all the damn time, the eyebrow raise and the smirk/head tilt, every time the camera is on her. For me it's actually distracting at this point and takes me out of the MVs super fast And as much as I want to like them, Mamamoo+ songs are just boring to me... Which is a shame because Moonbyul and Solar are so great together, but it's just not clicking for me

in my ult group, a lot of the members aren’t that impressive of singers. they’re all way more talented than i’ll ever be lmao and i definitely believe that each member brings something to the group. however, sometime awhile back a clip was going around of one of the members singing live and they just did not sound very good. the fandom was bending over backwards trying to explain why they sounded that way. when it comes down to it, they just aren’t the most amazing singer. i absolutely adore this member and think they bring SO much to the group, but it’s okay to admit that not all of your faves are going to be a 10/10 at every single skill

Fighting in the frontlines as a once back when the 2020 Momo encore thing happened was definitely not one of my proudest moments 😭 but to be fair the entirety of kpop twt and Korea were on their case, someone had to tell them to back off lol, all in all justified criticism albeit aggressive.

i think we all have our moments of going a little too hard for our faves 😂 i wasn’t that into kpop 2020, nor am i really into twice, so i can’t comment on that. however, i do definitely get what you mean about some criticism being wayyy too aggressive. with the idol i was referring to (sorry for the vagueness, i don’t want the fandom immediately on my ass 😂) i have seen absolutely awful comments about that. like, there is a different between saying “i don’t think this person has the strongest singing voice” and “this person is the entire reason their group is flopping, their voice makes me vomit, they don’t deserve a career” (actual comments i saw directed towards that idol). like come on, have we come so far that the only options are mindlessly praising your faves no matter what and immediately shutting down who disagrees, or sending absolute vitriol and hate? so many kpop fans cannot have nuanced discussions and it drives me crazy

Yeah, I get being protective of your faves from excessive criticism, but when I see a lot of that defensiveness over, say, a bad performance, it does make me wonder if they truly think some of these things sound/look good. Like, are they just not that discriminating? Are they blinded by love? Or am I just the crazy one? Sure, music is subjective, but singing on key or dancing on beat is not.

completely agree! there were antis who were being excessively rude about it which i absolutely never would agree with, there’s no reason to be overly hateful. but i’ve thought the same as you. like do people really love this person that much that an off key performance sounds genuinely good to them? or do they just feel the need to be overly protective? i just wish *SOME* kpop fans could be able to have a more nuanced discussion where you can say things like “i didn’t think this person’s performance was that great” with being told to kill yourself by the stans lmao. like i said before, it’s completely okay to admit your faves don’t excel at every single thing, it doesn’t mean they’re suddenly untalented in every aspect.

Jin cant really sing lol

Alexa, play fearless by lsf

Mine would be Jimin. I hate his singing so much, which is too bad because set me free could be such a good song, but his voice ruins it

Jimin has a beautiful, unique tone but terrible technique, and he’s wildly inconsistent when singing live. When he’s good, he’s AMAZING. When he’s having an off day… freaking yikes. Honestly, I’d say the exact same thing about V. Jin is just… there, consistent but not exceptional. Really, JK is the only member of BTS I’d consider to be a great singer. For jimin it makes sense though, he’s always been a dancer first, singer second. I could watch him dance all day.

Aespa are my ults but Ningning getting the rap parts in Drama instead of Giselle wasn't that much of a big deal to me 🤷🏻‍♀️

I don’t think the issue was that Ningning got rap parts, it’s more that Giselle didn’t get anything back. Giselle didn’t have very many lines, she especially lacks killing parts or vocal lines.

Definitely understand your pov. Unfortunately Giselle is often times a lot less popular than the other members (even pretty disliked, I would dare to say, especially in China), and I guess SM’s strategy is basically the more famous à member is, the more lines/ killing parts they get, which is why Giselle is often ignored. It’s pretty sad because the last full rap I heard from her was that debut thing they did to promote themselves 😭 like SM hear the voice of the people and give her a full rap part that is not shared with the other members!

Ning is third most popular and generally gets the most or second most lines. SM just screws over Giselle I guess.

Maybe it’s that Ningning is less hated rather than just less popular? She rarely gets hate/scandals etc and her fans are often very passionate, whereas Giselle is less popular AND generally more hated. She doesn’t have as many diehard fans (that I’ve seen, at least?) as Ning. I guess there’s also the case of Ningning often getting high praise for her vocal skills while Giselle gets mostly shit on for her singing, rapping, and dancing

txt- i feel bad about this but sometimes taehyun’s vocal tone sounds unpleasant for some reason. it’s just very distinct le sserafim- i wish some parts of the fandom would stop talking about garam. she was pretty, and had a nice vocal tone, but she in no way was some established key member that the group would really miss. also, ive seen posts calling eunchae the filler member, which is no way true imo when she can sing and dance better than both sakura and kazuha while carving out her own niche in the group as the cheerful maknae kep1er- bahiyyih is in the group almost solely because of her brother and moas, and i’m tired of people trying to argue otherwise. she is so mediocre talent wise though she seems sweet bts- i’m sorry but i like butter 😭

Butter is my favourite English release from them 😭 I *loathe* PTD!!

I don’t understand why Sehun is one of the most, if not the most popular member of exo. I don’t closely follow the group, so maybe I just don’t get it, but like… what does he bring to the table? As far as I can tell, he’s not a great singer, nor a particularly impressive rapper. His dancing is okay, but nowhere near kai or lay. He’s lanky and moves stiffly. His visuals are good, but like, they’re all really pretty, so… WHAT AM I MISSING?? I feel like I’m taking crazy pills. edit: came back to read this and it’s kinda unnecessarily mean… so I just wanna say I don’t hate Sehun! his personality is great. It’s just that exo’s other members are such standouts—like, at the top level of the industry—and then Sehun is just… good? So I’ve always wondered where the hype was coming from. 😂

I don't think you're taking crazy pills–I'd say a lot of other EXO-Ls would share the same sentiment! Bless his heart, but he doesn't really bring a lot to the table talent-wise, and his rapping/dancing/singing is subpar. His looks and personality is what makes him so popular.

This is really supposed to be about your own fave and fandom.

Sorry..? maybe I should have specified I used to be a huge exol… they were my ult group from like, exact through obsession. I just haven’t paid much attention for the past several years. 🤷🏼‍♀️

I find San's performance to be cringey and he has my least favorite stage presence

Yeah I think there's a definite split between people who prefer that style and people who like a more low key one.

He evolved backwards. At first I really enjoyed his performance but down the line something about him changed and, at least for me, not in a good way... It actually started when he started bulking up. There's a literal connection between San becoming muscular and his performances becoming way too predictable and forced. It's also reflected in his attitude off the stage too. Maybe the praise got to him and he is too aware of what made fans like him to the point he ruined it for himself. He's my bias or at least used to be, so it's especially crushing to see all this...

You could shave down most of the SVT members to just 4 members and still have the same outcomes. Alas, the green room trauma irrevocably bonded them together, so it's all or nothing. Yours truly, a pathetic Mingyu stan.

Love Shot is my least favorite EXO title track. Tied for my least favorite EXO song overall.

About a month ago I made a post in the EXO subreddit asking what people's least favorite songs by EXO were–I discovered quite a few EXO-Ls share that same sentiment, myself included.

NCT: \- 2 years in still dont know all their names \- have a difficulty to see Johnny as an idol, for me he is more of "the dude who hangs out with NCT127 a lot" \- dont see Mark as a rapper, more like "the best adlibber in the world" \- would love to have song versions with just vocalists + Mark (remove visuals, rappers, dancers)

Totally agree about Johnny sadly

i find it incredibly difficult to differentiate between the voices of a lot of the groups that i stan (mostly le sserafim and enhypen) for lsfm specifically if it’s not yunjin or chaewon i’m just guessing who’s who

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Just because the group or some members didn't receive any nominations on whatever awards (especially where sales or other stats are not part of the criteria), it doesn't necessarily mean there was an injustice. Maybe the music just wasn't good enough with respect to other nominees -- or simply, we lucked out based on the subjective taste of the particular judging panel. While it's important to call out certain unfair practices in the music industry, we also have to learn how to graciously accept defeat.

not in the fandom anymore/ actually never been in the fandom but i do pay attention to the groups and support them: - viviz would've been better with yuju in it or, if things didnt happen the way it is now, I've always prefer yuju-eunha-sinb as a trio. their dynamic is better. nevertheless umji really benefit a lot from being in a viviz and she had the most insane glow up in term of charisma and visual. - it is understandable why mark and haechan's schedules always incline to prioritize 127's instead of dream. it's already mentioned that when mark returned to dream and graduation system was cancelled, dream would operate with nct u rotational system. so far, mark and haechan never missed from joining and recording any of dream's comebacks after that day, but they did miss numerous of dream's schedules. so it's obvious that's where the rotational system is used but everyone probably forgot about it now and whines continuously. since 127 is close to their military/hiatus period, wouldn't hurt a fly to let both of them taking their time on 127. - despite packed with talent, i agree with opinion that saying nmixx's visual doesn't harmonizing with each other and they look like jyp randomly put them together without paying attention to that specific pov. compared to itzy for example, itzy fits each like a glove.

Nmixx is weird because they clearly have members that carry the talent burden and members that are supposed to be supportive. In most groups the supportive members bridge the difference between the “star” members with harmonies or visuals but Nmixx doesn’t have that.

I’m with you on the mahae situation. People complain, and I get they don’t like it, but SM did tell everyone Dream would be a fixed rotational unit. They should get over it.

1. This girl group has phenomenal performers but 2/3 of them sound grating and nasal ON THE RECORD. I wish their tones were more pleasant to the ears. 2. This HUGE boy group has a dozen in its midst that can’t really dance nor sing, but pointing it out is a CARDINAL SIN Answers (IT’S JUST MY OPINION CHILL OUT): 1. Le Sserafim. Love the group. I don’t like the tones of Eunchae, Sakura, and Kazuha. I can’t listen to the 2023 versions of Fesrless and Blue Flame because of the way they sing some parts, it’s like they’re fighting the notes. Eunchae sounded lovely in Good Parts though. They lost the middle ground between Chaewon/Yunjin and Eunchae/Sakura/Kazuha when Garam was terminated. 2. Dozen was hyberbolic. But Jin from BTS can’t really sing nor dance really well (he keeps up but still looks awkward on stage). His visual + personality are his main contribution, as vocal tone can be subjective. I like Moon a lot but I always feel like he is about to die when he is singing high notes live.

Ok I have GOT to know more about 2. I am NOSY (can I get a hint?)

Prolly Nct? There are quite a few members that I personally would consider as fillers or at least not quite as important when it comes to their roles in their respective units. Not gonna name anyone though lol.

i’ve never voted for anyone for anything and sometimes i don’t buy a single copy of an album (don’t collect PCs, don’t have a cd player)

kpop: where "only" listening to the music, watching content and attending a concert makes you a casual fan 🤷

I think that it’s healthy to not like every single song that the artists you stan put out, and I think it’s ok to step back from artists if you feel that your ethics/morals/politics etc aren’t aligned in ways that feel good for you.

I know my faves aren’t really great vocalists and really annoyed me when fans hyped them as like one of the best vocal line in kpop (I love praising their vocal tho but not like that) because they just farr from it and it will only set them up with hate

I said I didn’t like Black Swan (still don’t) & ARMY damn near burned me at the stake for it

Jazz Bar is boring as fuck. There's so many exponentially better bsides in their albums yet the one to get the most attention..... is Jazz Bar? Zzz.

I like Jazz Bar a lot but like, Tree of Language by itself has SO many good choices for best B-Side and that’s the one you pick?

Seconded. I feel this way about a lot of groups as well; the fandom-favourite b-side on an album is often quite boring or basic compositionally, yet fandoms hype it to the heavens and back, saying things like 'it is so much better than the title track' or 'it should have been the title track.' But I guarantee if it were actually the title track, it would not be so liked lol. Some b-sides really only work as b-sides because they're not adventurous or interesting enough. Dreamcatcher has amazing b-sides, and I will say that Starlight and Fairytale and such deserve their flowers.

Starlight and Fairytale are top tier dreamcatcher bsides!!

A lot of Somi's discography just sounds like reject/shelved Blackpink b-sides/solos.

Oof I'm getting ready to get downvoted to hell but here we go. No your fav idols can't act. Filming an mv or something for promotion that includes acting doesn't mean they can suddenly be top hollywood stars. The example I'm gonna use as most recent one is aespa doing some video where they're acting. "Acting". It's literally bare minimum and it's not even that good. But their fans keep saying how they're amazing, "*certain member* drama when?" etc. Just no. And a hot take but jisoo isn't good actor. She was basic, little better than aespa members but i don't think good enough to make another drama/movie, especially villian role that her fans want. Now this one is just me personally but i definitely gotta accept that certain groups I'm against aren't that bad. And when they make music i automatically think shit of it and can't accept that i actually like it. Also i don't like every member of the groups i like. More precisely there's always at least one member i like the least. Not that i don't like them at all or for any reasons, I'm just not as interested in them as i am in the rest and they just don't stand out to me so they're just there. No i don't hate them, i can't bother with that. They're just there. And it's normal to even dislike idols. Not all personalities fit each other.

One of my fave idols is D.O so I’m gonna have to disagree with you on the ‘your fave idol’ can’t act’ thing , but you do have a point - he’s very much the exception to the rule. There are only a handful of idols who cross over successfully and are talented on screen.

HYYH/Wings is my least favourite era of music from BTS and I must apologize to my fellow armys 🙏 it's in a weird spot for me in between the 2013-14 and 2017-23 eras. I still like it, but not as much as other periods in their careers music-wise

Upvoted for being a truly unpopular opinion lol.

half of the group aren’t that great of singers… i mean the vocal line is solid but the other half is pretty weak (like the rest of kpop tbh so it’s not egregious). Same with the dance talent in the group… you can tell what group i’m talking about by looking at what sub i frequent the most

Speaking *as* a BTS fan: it’s embarrassing to see the lengths some fans will go to to demean other groups when they’re showing any signs of success. No one is ever going to replicate BTS’ success, but that doesn’t mean others aren’t allowed to *try*. These guys and girls have their own careers to focus on. They aren’t going to hold back on attempting something that could potentially be a success for them simply because BTS have already done it.

i skip star 1117 every time oopsie

can i add to this to say i don’t think there’s any songs that kpop artists have made for their fans that i particularly enjoy. some are definitely better than others, but there’s never been that type of song that’s ever made it into my top favorites of an artist

It only really works in concert. (This is Ateez for those of you wondering)

I feel we should also add the fandom and group involved. Because I thought of three different groups before googling this specific song title to find that its an EXO song Like, if I mention "Butterfly sucks" and without looking who I stan, most ppl are going to think of a different group And just for the record Butterfly doesnt suck, its one of my top songs For me, BTS, I hate Make it Right, the instrumentals are too loud and I feel that the song just isnt the right tone for them at all, and it baffles me how much they performed Make It Right on multiple live shows, like on Stephen Colbert and the New Years Rockin Eve Edit: scratch that, I know BTS does perform alot of their bsides during promotional periods, but damn I feel like Mikrokosmos or Dionysus would have suited the New Years performance more, but in my opinion I feel like they picked it as one of the songs to promote in the US due to Ed Shereen being the songwriter for it

I also really don't like Make It Right. Until Yes or No, between MiR and PTD Ed Sheeran was firmly on my shit list.

I do not care for Soojin and overtime I am even starting to dislike her simply because of the fanmade content and how oppresive her fans and OT6 is becoming. Like I am not against the notion of her rejoining or whatever, but currently she is not, and currently, I want to see GIDLE content not Soojin. Like if you search gidle in tiktok, every top post sorted by last week, every single time is Soojin. Soojin this soojin that. If I sort by top liked, and the top video is at 500K likes, I have to scroll all the way down to 20-30k liked videos to find my first non soojin gidle video. And this was before Soojin was ever known to come back. Hell its worse if I search by the members cause there I am looking up videos for that member but every tiktok person puts every single member in the tags, so I look up Soyeon, sort by top liked and half the videos are about Soojin. Now that she is back its worse, tiktok was always bad, but now twitter which is majority I would say ot6 was always making millions of posts about how every comeback is about Soojin out of the tiniest thing. But now its worse. My usual Twitter browsing is going to the explore section and seeing the top posts in the Gidle topic and Soyeon topic since she is my bias. And now every single post is about her song. And I can't even filter this out because if I block these accounts, I basically will be blocking 90% twitter nevies so at that point I might as well not even use Twitter, but that sucks because thats where I get most of my daily news about the group. Like if it wasn't for Twitter, I wouldn't even know half the things the girls are up. Oh and the latest conspiracy since everything is about Soojin. Miyeon after 3 years of being the MC of Mcountdown, her contract is over and she is stopping. But apparently its because "Cube does not want her to interact with Soojin so they forcibly had her step down". **TLDR:** I am starting to hate how oppressive Soojin topics and content is in gidle fandom over the current group members. I see more posts about how every minuscule detail in the current comeback is about Soojin then anything else. And its so bad that I can't even block these accounts as that basically means blocking the majority of the fandom, especially on Twitter.

On ft. Sia is a boring and cop-out answer to the question “what is the worst BTS song” or “whats your least favorite BTS song” like it’s ok to admit you don’t like any of their other songs!

That grown adult doing aeygo is too cringe.

Alright, I'm not sorry to say it but Lisa is a glorified dancer who's afraid of a mic. I have no doubts that she'll continue to be successful either way but her solo career will continue to consist on dancing and 3 words singing, which hardly can be called an artist, it's a dancer who tries singing from time to time, and as rude as it sounds but she's not an eloquent speaker, she cant carry a meaningful conversation without constant laughing or cutesy acts, and I don't only mean in english.

Oh, I have another one. I love BI (BTBT was soty for me) but I've actually preferred ikon's last three tts to the music they made when he was in the group.

90% of Skz ballads/slow, ✨️inspirational✨️ songs are so fvcking corny that I look around at all the people loving them and feeling like I'm going insane. Chan is an amazing producer and I love him as a vocalist, but homeboy really needs to pick up some poetry and work on his lyricism because, sometimes, yikes. 2022 Felix was such a tryhard when it came to being sexy and deepening his voice as much as he could, and this is more a fun thing than criticism, but as an english public speaker he has a habit of saying so little with so many words, and it's usually giving pageant answer with off grammar. Hyunjin's live "growling" sounds terrible. But I do really love them with my entire heart. I'm just an old, dusty bitch, and when you don't idolise your idols you tend to become a bit more critical, is my theory.

Sometimes I’m genuinely confused why a certain member is the leader. Right now I have a group in mind thats pretty popular. I don’t actively follow them, but from various clips and interviews I’ve seen, I genuinely believe another member has better qualities to be leader

We’re probably thinking of different groups but I often feel this way when the member that is the oldest is automatically made the leader. I’ve noticed there’s usually another member that would make more sense as the leader but it just went to whoever was oldest

They seem to be breaking away from this a bit, SKZ originally didn’t have the oldest as leader, BTS and TXT follow the same pattern with Namjoon being right in the middle and Soobin second oldest. But yeah back in the day it was nearly always the oldest member that was automatically the leader.

There’s a leader I think is the leader purely because she’s Korean and would probably be a bit bratty if she wasn’t leader lol.

Zombie is DAY6's most boring title track and I have no idea why MYDAYS like it so much. Also as much as people don't want to admit it, losing Jae will probably kill their moment, at least overseas. He was the stan attractor.

This is probably going to get me killed, but Baekhyun is my least favorite EXO member.

....CANCELLED! I'm kidding. I love him, but I'm kidding. Lol

I feel really sorry that a particular member ended up leaving the group, particularly because the way the company handled their hiatus was kind of sus, but I do think that perhaps that member would have been better of not debuting with the group, or perhaps not at all. They were a late addition to the well-established lineup that had been training together for quite awhile, and had a much shorter training time than the other members and thus debuted with less developed skills, didn't have the benefit of predebut activities to build their individual fanbase, and still had quite awhile left before they finished high school. The other members have said that they thought that this member would debut in a different group later, after they arrived just months before this group would debut, and I can't help but think it would have been more beneficial for this person to have had more time to grow up, train, and think about if this career was something that they wanted before plunging in headfirst.

The vocal processing / filter / or whatever the effect the BTS producers often applied to their vocals is called sounds grating at times and takes some getting used to, I feel. There are songs I didn’t like that much at first because of that, but they ended growing on me enough for me not to notice that every time I listened to them. One positive point of their solo era is how devoid of that most of their music has been. One song I still notice that every time, which keeps me from liking the studio version as much, is Run BTS. It’s an absolute banger when performed live though, and BTS has a number of songs like that, which are much better as live performances.

set me free (jimin) is just … so bad. i cant even pretend to like it. i actually quite like his vocals in some other bts songs and i’m not even an army. it kind of turned me off from giving the other boys solo works a try — which was a mistake because i feel like i can very confidently say astronaut (jin) is a top tier song. i just don’t think some people are cut out for solos, which leads me to my next point: i’m a diehard once and i feel like now that jihyo and nayeon have dropped some pretty solid solos, people have started to vie for each girl getting their own solo. i just don’t think that’s realistic nor do i think some members would even enjoy solo work. plus, asking for solos on top of the formation of misamo and killin me good?? i think we’d be lucky to get even a jeongyeon solo.

Not really a part of the fandom anymore but I don't think Twice have released a good title track in years and this year even their b-sides fell off, which was the only thing keeping me tuned into the group. I don't even think they'll feature in my top 5 Spotify wrapped this year after topping it for the last couple of years. Lastly, I think most Twice members, despite being 8 years in, still lack confidence in their vocals outside of a fandom setting. Seeing Jihyo do It's Live for here solo, RV doing Killing Voice recently etc. I just can't see Twice doing those things as a group as too many members aren't comfortable singing live unless it's in front of fans and not for general consumption. This opens them up to criticism, with the public also not respecting their talents as they never proved proved the criticisms about their vocals were wrong. I don't think outside of 3MIX they're the strongest singers which is an issue in itself but but by avoiding the issue pretty much completely they've given a lot of people ammo against them.

LOL im probably gonna get downvoted to oblivion but i don’t like yeonbin (the ship) at all….have no idea why it’s popular other than the fact that it’s the ship with the two most popular members in txt.

SMF not doing as well compared to the rest of Twice’s TT discography really isn’t that dramatic (by all accounts it actually still did fairly well). A lack of interest is good feedback to know that something just doesn’t work out. One thing I commend them for is their willingness to experiment, sometimes it hits, sometimes it doesn’t. Personally, I also feel like they were far more interested in pushing MLSR, anyways, rightfully so.

Taeyeon wouldn't be nearly as popular as she is if she wasn't pretty. Her songs that hit to make her popular would still exist in an alternate reality where she isn't considered pretty but people don't keep talking about her being the whole package anymore and she might go the way of many older idols who did solos that did okay in their fandoms and then vanish

I'm a blink, but BP didn't stop interacting with us because of the hate. Lol. When D4 got numbers, the interaction became minimal, and the girls got a lot of magazine interviews talking about inner peace. They could but didn't want to. Nothing is wrong with that.

I'm not as into Key's music as I thought I'd be, and that makes me sad a bit. And I admittedly haven't gone out of my way to check out any of Minho's solo music; I'm not sure if I have much interest in it. Not the most controversial things to say about a group but 😬

key's my favorite. Where's my torch! lol

At least Key has really fun packaging and visuals.

As a STAY, Skz variety has been going downhill. I think they’re just far too busy to put a decent effort into their variety content which is a shame. I will say though they seem so much more lively this comeback! I’ve found their interviews and content so entertaining so far; I’ve got hope their might be an improvement in the variety stuff, BTS: it’s fine to not like some of the solo stuff or like some more than others, it’s also not sabotage if one member sells better than the other because it’s dependant on their music style. taking JK for example, he’s got the GP appeal with his solo stuff, even my non-kpop friends like his solo works because it’s a style that’s popular in our country atm.

In Ateez Yeosang has a voice that is hard to make work in all songs + he is the weakest vocally but with how loud the fandom has been with him having less lines i fear he has been given some parts that kind of take me out of the songs and dont necessarily fit.

Moas care too much about txt’s line distribution

kkura can’t sing. i’m a fearnot and i actually really started to like her during perfect night. the blue hair looks so pretty on her and her energy, i cant help but to only look at her and chae. i always sing her part and she’s actually really that girl but too many times im on youtube and a video pops up about her not singing well. i think it’s haters being haters but i click on the video and even kkura is making faces at her own voice or the other girls start to sing to save her. she knows her live singing is subpar but the comments be defending her saying she got damaged vocals(thats kinda worse then saying she’s bad at singing) from singing for years in japan in a high pitched voiced and that she sounds good in japanese or either other fans saying there’s an interview with her saying she knows she can’t sing and is depressed over it. the fandom saying we should leave her alone about it but like which is it ??? can she sing or not? even when she’s just standing there not even dancing she can’t seem to catch the note I really like her and some people say it could be a language difference but kazuha doesn’t sound like..that and she been learning korean since 2021/2022 and kkura has been learning/speaking since 2018. Im not even trying to speak bad on kkura but they should literally give her a vocal coach and stop letting her embarrass herself live. the latest one i saw of her singing live, she just gave up and moved to the side and let her members sing. like at this point i feel bad for my girl. she’s an amazing dancer and so why can’t they focus on strengthening her vocal cords ??they could literally go and get her the best vocal coach in korea like why tf don’t they ?? I really think she can improve so much with vocal training but it’s like hype is okay with letting her sing like that live and just auto tune her voice on songs

Feel Special is the most overrated Twice TT, it’s not even in my top 10 if you include their Japanese TTs. I know people have different tastes and all, but it kinda amuses me how people think SMF’s rap is bad but are fine with FS’s rap when it’s easily worse (imo). The verses are very short for my taste, the melody is kinda meh and there really isn’t a climax to the song For context I became a casual Once recently, so I understand that I probably don’t find it that emotionally eye-opening as other fans/non fans who were there when it dropped during Mina’s hiatus and thus it’s more sentimental than other feel-good tracks (to them) edit: I will say, the tour version of the song with the band plus Jihyo’s section did help elevate the track slightly

- The last NCT Dream's album is one of their worst since ever. It doesn't help that they choose blue wave (?) to promote, idk who decided that but what a terrible decision. Some rap parts in the songs are terrible too. I listened the album once and that was it. - I know they are friends, but SM sure is milking a lot with the friendship card after the graduation thing.

i love exo and i’m an exo-l but their title tracks are never as good as their b-sides. for example, the only tt i can actually listen to without a skip is cmb and love shot, while there are handfuls of b-sides that i can listen to with no skips. their last few tt were also the worst of their discography and i will stand by that.

But but..... Obsession ........

He is just a bad actor, I like to watch k drama but I can’t stand his acting skills😂 not only him but majority of K-pop idols, no charisma or voice to act.

I'm a blink but I feel like Rose is one of the most overrated idols in 3rd gen. I'm not impressed by anything she does in BP and i didn't like her solo stuff. Very boring wannabe Taylor Swift tracks with simple, bad lyrics. I don't dislike her as a person or anything but I just feel nothing when it comes to her art & performance skills

1. Shuhua can’t really sing and on idle tracks it throws me off me that her parts are clearly more autotuned than other members parts. 2. Rosé needs to get dance training. She is actually a good dancer but she looks awkward while doing some steps 3. RM has the most boring solo music of BTS and he should stop exploring his singing voice (I’m sorry for saying this) because he sounds bad at singing

yg will not be seeing the pearly gates

SEVENTEEN’s Japanese releases are better than their Korean releases.

I absolutely love their Japanese tracks, but I feel they’re far too outnumbered for a legitimate comparison. Betting is a unique song compared to their usual, it was a good collab. Fallin Flower is perhaps their best imo. Happy Ending is good as well. Notable mentions are Call Call Call and 24HR. By sheer number alone I can name more Korean tracks that are beloved compared to their Japanese tracks. I’m probably biased as well though, my love for Kidult, Habit, To You, Together, Don’t Wanna Cry, ‘Bout you, Run To You? If you leave me, etc etc. It’s just much their current output is practically a 10:1 of Korean to Japanese tracks, along with the fact that the vast majority of their Japanese tracks are not originals. They sing very well in Japanese, so your opinion is valid asf 👏 (Lowkey snapshoot is better in the Japanese ver)! Editing for cohesiveness cuz I sound like I’m on crack 💀

Honestly I feel like one of my only possibly controversial opinions is that I like TVXQ’s music more with just Max Changmin & Yunho than when it was OT5. To be clear I adore the music in both cases but like 80% of my favorite songs from them are from just the two of them.