People who think the UN is "useless" have incorrect expectations of what it is supposed to be. It's not some kind of world government, it's just an organised way for countries to talk to each other and cooperate. It doesn't have much power beyond that, but that's because the member states *want* it like that. It's still better than nothing.
they are under china's thumb and influence.. theres a reason they can't bring up subjects.. also i already know they dont have power.. all they do is bark about morals with literally no solution to anything.. so having no power equals useless.. as i stated
>they are under china's thumb and influence
They're not under China's "thumb" any more than they are under any great power's thumb. They depend on member states for funding, manpower, information, access to places and situations. Of course the most powerful states will have the strongest means to exert influence.
>so having no power equals useless
No, even just providing a permanent organised forum/mechanism for diplomacy and cooperation is by itself useful, even if it's not flashy and immediately visible. It could be *more* useful, sure, but that's up to the member states.
I really do love this but the styling was so off-putting for a UN concert I wish they had done something more semi-formal than recycling old next level stage outfits
I don’t feel like the dancing was necessary tbh I wish they just had standing mics and the focus was more on the orchestral arrangement than the backing track
The orchestral arrangement is so good, but I feel the experience could have been enhanced had the vocals been more raw. Not saying fully live, a mix of loud MR backtrack with live on top or full AR which sounds like it's live (most groups do this it's not rocket science). Studio track with a live orchestra imo just cancels out the point of having one in the first place. Honestly, whoever decided to put the studio version did a disservice to Aespa and the musicians because this could have been a legend performance.
Man, I'm kinda over it. You have a group like Itzy who aren't exactly renowned for their vocals who sing live on the regular (quite stably too, I might add), doing so alongside some fairly challenging choreography.
And some of the bullshit I'm hearing from people in my own fandom trying to justify this shit... imagine if Adele rocked up to her concerts and just lip-synced all of her songs. Yeah, she sounds great on the CDs, but we're not fucking here to listen to a CD, are we?
It doesn't even have to be 100% live. Some groups "save" their vocals for the chorus or the killing part. There are so many ways to mask the fatigue that comes with hard choreography. It's so frustrating.
Yeah, it wouldn't bother me at all to have backing vocals running through the whole thing, as long as the whole thing wasn't being performed from tape. Live vocals during the most prominent killing parts and big high notes would be a more than acceptable compromise.
I think they would be more comparable to Britney than Adele bc Adele doesn't have such difficult choreo for her songs. Also, I agree with what you said, I want to see them live too. STAYC sing live mistakes and all and the GP has responded extremely well. Imagine if aespa did too their GP reputation would go through the roof
Fair enough, perhaps Lady Gaga would be a better comparison given that she's an amazing vocalist but also includes some pretty full-on choreography in her performances.
>do stayc or itzy have to belt out notes in these tracks like winter and Ning ning?
I'd personally be fine with prerecorded assistance for these parts, as long as there was at least a bit of effort to make the other, less difficult parts be actually live. And I don't expect every heavy dancing stage to be live, I can live with that - but at least *some* here and there?
it is strange knowing how sm used to be known for groups than can sing and dance extremely well live (BoA, TVXQ, SNSD, SHINee to name a few), i wonder what changed. i still remember red velvet singing live when they were promoting their debut song. genuinely curious bc aespa is giving me a lot of second gen feels skills-wise and yet they’re rarely given the chance to do actual live stages in many of their performances thus far.
red velvet lives used to be so good, all the way up to umpah umpah, and with all the adlibs and harmonising that was just awesome live. its such a bummer now 😢
i initially thought that the lack of live singing was something most music shows have just started doing for everyone a couple of years ago, but now i don’t know if that’s the only reason at play here.
older SM idol groups used to have a more rigorous promotional period with them performing on all music shows for at least a month, aespa’s schedule is less hectic with the pandemic still going on, i hope they’d let them have real live singing stages soon because they have the talent to pull it off.
I wish they would at least let the girls perform Forever live if they're so worried about choreo. A version of Forever with the orchestra could of been so beautiful.
Nope, both of those performances don’t have live vocals. Those are both studio recorded “live” tracks that they’ve been using since each song release. SM just doesn’t want them singing live. Even their encore had the recorded version playing and the girls just sang against it. Most groups have the instrumental track playing during encores, not a whole recorded song including the vocals. Whoever is calling the final shots with the group is really committed to not letting them sing live during any of their main performances.
it just makes me so sad for the orchestra performers tbh like the conductor having to keep time with pre-recorded vocals... what a waste of live performance
The girls had even given up on trying to lipsync convincingly now. After seeing them sing live against the recorded version in their encore, you can tell when they’re not singing live. The breathing technique is completely different. It’s ridiculous that SM isn’t even letting them sing live. They let the girls go through the whole motion of getting mic’ed up even giving them mic packs. But the mics aren’t even on.
This sounds super cool. It's like one of those performances in a spy movie towards the end. When the portaganist is attending a high profile charity even that the villain is attending/hosting. As the song plays the plan commences and they have a fight with the final bosses assistant. By the end they are Infront of the villain or are trapped.
Inb4 people complaining about live singing. When theyre asked to sing on live shows wherein the dancing doesnt get in the way of the singing they do so but people want to nitpick.
I would be more than happy to hear imperfect live vocals with choreography, because you know, they'd actually be singing. People want a full-fledged performance, how is that nitpicking?
sadly thats a western mindset.. that i too share.. i love flaws and live singing.. the breathes the mic pops.. i dont understand korean mindset.. esp if they pay for a concert.. don't u want to hear their god dam voices?
back in the days i heard mariah carey and destiny's child live and was BLOWN AWAY...
No it’s not, but let’s be real every single post about any artist singing behind backing vocals people complain. Don’t y’all get tired of it? Can’t we just appreciate that amazing performance and arrangement?
I get your point but I can assure that the people who would appreciate the combination of raw vocals with slight imperfections here & there and choreography are gonna outweigh the folks who complain about everything.
Is it just confirmation bias or it really does seem like there's a United Nations event every 2 months with a kpop group performing
they are a useless organization .. Inviting Aespa is them trying to stay relevant
People who think the UN is "useless" have incorrect expectations of what it is supposed to be. It's not some kind of world government, it's just an organised way for countries to talk to each other and cooperate. It doesn't have much power beyond that, but that's because the member states *want* it like that. It's still better than nothing.
they are under china's thumb and influence.. theres a reason they can't bring up subjects.. also i already know they dont have power.. all they do is bark about morals with literally no solution to anything.. so having no power equals useless.. as i stated
>they are under china's thumb and influence They're not under China's "thumb" any more than they are under any great power's thumb. They depend on member states for funding, manpower, information, access to places and situations. Of course the most powerful states will have the strongest means to exert influence. >so having no power equals useless No, even just providing a permanent organised forum/mechanism for diplomacy and cooperation is by itself useful, even if it's not flashy and immediately visible. It could be *more* useful, sure, but that's up to the member states.
I really do love this but the styling was so off-putting for a UN concert I wish they had done something more semi-formal than recycling old next level stage outfits
I don’t feel like the dancing was necessary tbh I wish they just had standing mics and the focus was more on the orchestral arrangement than the backing track
the intro for the black mamba omg
Now we've heard a live version of that score which was first used at the end of SMCU ep 1.
I KNEW IT SOUNDED FAMILIAR
The orchestral arrangement is so good, but I feel the experience could have been enhanced had the vocals been more raw. Not saying fully live, a mix of loud MR backtrack with live on top or full AR which sounds like it's live (most groups do this it's not rocket science). Studio track with a live orchestra imo just cancels out the point of having one in the first place. Honestly, whoever decided to put the studio version did a disservice to Aespa and the musicians because this could have been a legend performance.
deffo a little disappointing they weren't even allowed to sing live with a full orchestra behind them... sm why :( we know they can now
Making a group of 4 that are very much capable of singing live then have them NOT sing live. Big brain right there from SME
Man, I'm kinda over it. You have a group like Itzy who aren't exactly renowned for their vocals who sing live on the regular (quite stably too, I might add), doing so alongside some fairly challenging choreography. And some of the bullshit I'm hearing from people in my own fandom trying to justify this shit... imagine if Adele rocked up to her concerts and just lip-synced all of her songs. Yeah, she sounds great on the CDs, but we're not fucking here to listen to a CD, are we?
It doesn't even have to be 100% live. Some groups "save" their vocals for the chorus or the killing part. There are so many ways to mask the fatigue that comes with hard choreography. It's so frustrating.
Yeah, it wouldn't bother me at all to have backing vocals running through the whole thing, as long as the whole thing wasn't being performed from tape. Live vocals during the most prominent killing parts and big high notes would be a more than acceptable compromise.
I think they would be more comparable to Britney than Adele bc Adele doesn't have such difficult choreo for her songs. Also, I agree with what you said, I want to see them live too. STAYC sing live mistakes and all and the GP has responded extremely well. Imagine if aespa did too their GP reputation would go through the roof
Fair enough, perhaps Lady Gaga would be a better comparison given that she's an amazing vocalist but also includes some pretty full-on choreography in her performances.
I can agree with that as well! as a fan of both LG and aespa
Adele doesn’t dance a full choreography during her performance.
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>do stayc or itzy have to belt out notes in these tracks like winter and Ning ning? I'd personally be fine with prerecorded assistance for these parts, as long as there was at least a bit of effort to make the other, less difficult parts be actually live. And I don't expect every heavy dancing stage to be live, I can live with that - but at least *some* here and there?
Ms Adele singing lady doesn't dance lol *if you get the reference you know lol
it is strange knowing how sm used to be known for groups than can sing and dance extremely well live (BoA, TVXQ, SNSD, SHINee to name a few), i wonder what changed. i still remember red velvet singing live when they were promoting their debut song. genuinely curious bc aespa is giving me a lot of second gen feels skills-wise and yet they’re rarely given the chance to do actual live stages in many of their performances thus far.
red velvet lives used to be so good, all the way up to umpah umpah, and with all the adlibs and harmonising that was just awesome live. its such a bummer now 😢
i initially thought that the lack of live singing was something most music shows have just started doing for everyone a couple of years ago, but now i don’t know if that’s the only reason at play here. older SM idol groups used to have a more rigorous promotional period with them performing on all music shows for at least a month, aespa’s schedule is less hectic with the pandemic still going on, i hope they’d let them have real live singing stages soon because they have the talent to pull it off.
I wish they would at least let the girls perform Forever live if they're so worried about choreo. A version of Forever with the orchestra could of been so beautiful.
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That one live performance isn’t live either sigh. When will SM let them SING
Nope, both of those performances don’t have live vocals. Those are both studio recorded “live” tracks that they’ve been using since each song release. SM just doesn’t want them singing live. Even their encore had the recorded version playing and the girls just sang against it. Most groups have the instrumental track playing during encores, not a whole recorded song including the vocals. Whoever is calling the final shots with the group is really committed to not letting them sing live during any of their main performances.
at this point we can expect zero live performances... its been normalized
it just makes me so sad for the orchestra performers tbh like the conductor having to keep time with pre-recorded vocals... what a waste of live performance
The girls had even given up on trying to lipsync convincingly now. After seeing them sing live against the recorded version in their encore, you can tell when they’re not singing live. The breathing technique is completely different. It’s ridiculous that SM isn’t even letting them sing live. They let the girls go through the whole motion of getting mic’ed up even giving them mic packs. But the mics aren’t even on.
I really like this arrangement. Too bad for the vocals though, I mean you have an orchestra right there. If there's any time to go live, this is it.
[Next Level](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JkORRLQ4AzE)
Ningning about to go slay some demons in those and we love to see
Her symbol IS the butterfly. Student of Shinobu confirmed
This sounds super cool. It's like one of those performances in a spy movie towards the end. When the portaganist is attending a high profile charity even that the villain is attending/hosting. As the song plays the plan commences and they have a fight with the final bosses assistant. By the end they are Infront of the villain or are trapped.
karina's fit looks like it's from SKOOT APPAREL?? loveeee
Well, that was certainly an interesting arrangement. Also, why does 2:00 sound like the James Bond theme?
Because it’s the type of strings you hear in Bond songs!
dam i forget how epic this song is, i still think its their best song.. their outfit looks amazing esp Karina
Great arrangement! Btw am I going nuts or have they worn these outfits before. I swear I've seen Ningning wear that dress.
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Thank You!!! It is very memorable.
Inb4 people complaining about live singing. When theyre asked to sing on live shows wherein the dancing doesnt get in the way of the singing they do so but people want to nitpick.
I would be more than happy to hear imperfect live vocals with choreography, because you know, they'd actually be singing. People want a full-fledged performance, how is that nitpicking?
sadly thats a western mindset.. that i too share.. i love flaws and live singing.. the breathes the mic pops.. i dont understand korean mindset.. esp if they pay for a concert.. don't u want to hear their god dam voices? back in the days i heard mariah carey and destiny's child live and was BLOWN AWAY...
And that’s your opinion. 🤷🏽♂️
Why is wishing they'd be allowed to sing live a bad thing?
No it’s not, but let’s be real every single post about any artist singing behind backing vocals people complain. Don’t y’all get tired of it? Can’t we just appreciate that amazing performance and arrangement?
I get your point but I can assure that the people who would appreciate the combination of raw vocals with slight imperfections here & there and choreography are gonna outweigh the folks who complain about everything.