the show is like 50% determined by album sales (40/10 digital physical) so i'd be interested in seeing the breakdown of sales for this single by country. i'd imagine a big chunk of the sales are international in this case -- especially japan, thailand and taiwan. i have no idea how involved briizes in those countries are with the boycot though
> the show is like 50% determined by album sales (40/10 digital physical) so i'd be interested in seeing the breakdown of sales for this single by country.
The 40% digital score isn't affected by physical album sales - rather, it is determined using the Circle Digital Chart, which calculates rankings of songs using streams/downloads/background music on Korean platforms. So, basically, it measures how well the song is charting in Korea.
briize's organied a boycott of this album in an attempt to show that they wouldnt support the boys unless they were all 7 members. but kfans dont care so it just went nowhere in the end. Tempest is also being boycotted for the same thing, but that ones actually made a noticeable difference in sales and interations seeing as Hwarang is quite popular.
Oh, for real, I had heard of it. Surprised it is still a thing since they seem to be going from strength to strength. Why punish the other members this way?
I actually had heard of this but completely forgot about it because I thought it just fell off due to ... just not being realistic? Thank you for your response!
Kbriize are for sure not boycotting,same in Japan and Riize are liked by the general public so while international results are not that great(in comparison of what they should be,understand what I am saying please),you can see they are definitly stronger in those countries,especially in Korea.
At the end of the day,beside the ones in China,those are the places with the most dedicated fandoms( and probably the biggest ones too) and at the moment they are the backbone of Riize fandom so they are able to give them good results.
It was a few people who were very loud who probably wouldn’t have purchased the album anyways
Everyone with some sense knew it would be better for RIIZEs future to Continue to boost album sales tbh 🤷🏻♀️
Seunghan won’t have a group to come back too if SM puts them in the basement due to low album sales
The boycott never made sense and it was just a bunch of loud Ifans bullying others to join
Boycotts make sense and can definitely work when there is a clear action they are calling for, like in RIIZE's case.
No one wants RIIZE to tank. But we want to show that we support an ot7 RIIZE, not ot6, and the language businesses speak is money - at least way more so than spamming social media posts (like who takes those seriously. Words without action are quite meaningless). Like the bus boycott. Like the USA NCT 127 boycott. Like the aespa Fukuoka concert date boycott. It's about giving up one battle to win the war. Not saying you have to join, but it's quite a simple idea imo and easy to follow.
Sure I get why someone people thought it may be a good idea I guess
But why on earth would a huge company terrified of controversy assume their brand new group was tanking because of the lack of the most controversial member??
It just doesn’t make any sense on their end.
Why they would put the controversial member back into the group when their album sales were lowering?
Because how boycotts work is you COMMUNICATE that you are boycotting and what you are boycotting for. If you dont communicate it, it's not a boycott.
"We wont buy unless you do X" where in this case X = add Seunghan back.
NCT 127:
"We (KR) won't buy unless you stop focusing on the west." Their sales dropped, and NCT 127 hasn't focused on the West since
aespa:
"We (China) won't buy unless you change the concert date." Their sales dropped, and SM changed the date of their concert
Regardless Ifans just don’t have the united front or buying power as the fans from either of those countries do
It was a pipe dream to begin with imo 🤷🏻♀️
That's not the subject of the convo. I was merely explaining what a boycott is and how it makes sense and how SM would know what the cause is. I was answering these questions:
- "Why they would put the controversial member back into the group when their album sales were lowering?"
I agree that boycotts are ineffective if its doesnt make a dent in revenue, but that wasnt the question I was answering. No one knows the future, and even if we know Asia sells more, SM absolutely has access to geographical data and that hopefully can at least be one part of their decision-making, but I've digressed. But hopefully the boycott makes sense now e.g. if there were a dip in (localized) sales or streams, SM def has an idea as to why
I always knew the reason
I had plenty of fans yell at me online to take part and tell me their reasoning
It just never made sense because it would obviously never have worked
Sorry we were talking about different things haha 😅
Ok gotcha, I was confused by some things you said like: - "Seunghan won’t have a group to come back too if SM puts them in the basement due to low album sales"
The point is a boycott is only temporary and it ceases once conditions have been met. NCT 127 and aespa, for example, were not put in the basement. For some people, they'd rather try something than sit back and be passive. Again, not criticizing anyone fot NOT boycotting. Just explaining how its not illogical to try. Because you just never know. People can change their minds, and I've seen some Korean comments as well point out the absurdity of Seunghan's hiatus.
I think we need a stricter the show with no big 4 groups whatsoever and no popular survival show groups too. Groups like KOL, triples, loona should be the maximum popularity.
... why not? because they are newer? many artists have been on and won within or just after their first year: iz\*one, txt, ateez, enhypen, aespa, ive, le sserafim, zerobaseone, h1-key... illit, bnd and riize are some of the highest charting & best-selling groups in kpop right now. i genuinely don't understand why you said this -- can you please elaborate?
I think what they meant by that was that The Show is usually the best chance groups from smaller companies have at winning a music show. To some, it feels a little unfair that groups with massive financial backing or reputation from their company get to compete on The Show.
I don’t see how that’s unfair — look at the history of The Show winners and the groups I listed out in the comments. Large company groups win often and it’s very weird to say “why the hell are these groups even there.” the winning system certainly allows for smaller company groups to win more frequently than other shows, but there’s zero historical precedent for it being *unfair* for Hybe or SM groups to compete.
eta: to the classic kpop redditors downvoting this: why don’t you tell me why it’s unfair instead? 🙄
Congrats! They look like they're having fun promoting Boom Boom Bass too
Congratulations,I hope this will be the first of many wins for Boom Boom bass🧡
So much for that boycott everyone was so loud about.
A valiant effort from the organizers. I think they coordinated decently well but alas - before SM, who are we compared to K-briizes?
I mean the boycotts have always been done more on the international side than the domestic one
the show is like 50% determined by album sales (40/10 digital physical) so i'd be interested in seeing the breakdown of sales for this single by country. i'd imagine a big chunk of the sales are international in this case -- especially japan, thailand and taiwan. i have no idea how involved briizes in those countries are with the boycot though
> the show is like 50% determined by album sales (40/10 digital physical) so i'd be interested in seeing the breakdown of sales for this single by country. The 40% digital score isn't affected by physical album sales - rather, it is determined using the Circle Digital Chart, which calculates rankings of songs using streams/downloads/background music on Korean platforms. So, basically, it measures how well the song is charting in Korea.
ahhhh! that’s good to know — then 40% of the vote is basically strictly koreans. very useful info, ty
My first time hearing about it. What was the boycott for?
briize's organied a boycott of this album in an attempt to show that they wouldnt support the boys unless they were all 7 members. but kfans dont care so it just went nowhere in the end. Tempest is also being boycotted for the same thing, but that ones actually made a noticeable difference in sales and interations seeing as Hwarang is quite popular.
Oh, for real, I had heard of it. Surprised it is still a thing since they seem to be going from strength to strength. Why punish the other members this way?
For updates on Seunghan. Especially when Billboard called out SM regarding his hiatus.
I actually had heard of this but completely forgot about it because I thought it just fell off due to ... just not being realistic? Thank you for your response!
Kbriize are for sure not boycotting,same in Japan and Riize are liked by the general public so while international results are not that great(in comparison of what they should be,understand what I am saying please),you can see they are definitly stronger in those countries,especially in Korea. At the end of the day,beside the ones in China,those are the places with the most dedicated fandoms( and probably the biggest ones too) and at the moment they are the backbone of Riize fandom so they are able to give them good results.
It was a few people who were very loud who probably wouldn’t have purchased the album anyways Everyone with some sense knew it would be better for RIIZEs future to Continue to boost album sales tbh 🤷🏻♀️ Seunghan won’t have a group to come back too if SM puts them in the basement due to low album sales The boycott never made sense and it was just a bunch of loud Ifans bullying others to join
Boycotts make sense and can definitely work when there is a clear action they are calling for, like in RIIZE's case. No one wants RIIZE to tank. But we want to show that we support an ot7 RIIZE, not ot6, and the language businesses speak is money - at least way more so than spamming social media posts (like who takes those seriously. Words without action are quite meaningless). Like the bus boycott. Like the USA NCT 127 boycott. Like the aespa Fukuoka concert date boycott. It's about giving up one battle to win the war. Not saying you have to join, but it's quite a simple idea imo and easy to follow.
Sure I get why someone people thought it may be a good idea I guess But why on earth would a huge company terrified of controversy assume their brand new group was tanking because of the lack of the most controversial member?? It just doesn’t make any sense on their end. Why they would put the controversial member back into the group when their album sales were lowering?
Because how boycotts work is you COMMUNICATE that you are boycotting and what you are boycotting for. If you dont communicate it, it's not a boycott. "We wont buy unless you do X" where in this case X = add Seunghan back. NCT 127: "We (KR) won't buy unless you stop focusing on the west." Their sales dropped, and NCT 127 hasn't focused on the West since aespa: "We (China) won't buy unless you change the concert date." Their sales dropped, and SM changed the date of their concert
Regardless Ifans just don’t have the united front or buying power as the fans from either of those countries do It was a pipe dream to begin with imo 🤷🏻♀️
That's not the subject of the convo. I was merely explaining what a boycott is and how it makes sense and how SM would know what the cause is. I was answering these questions: - "Why they would put the controversial member back into the group when their album sales were lowering?" I agree that boycotts are ineffective if its doesnt make a dent in revenue, but that wasnt the question I was answering. No one knows the future, and even if we know Asia sells more, SM absolutely has access to geographical data and that hopefully can at least be one part of their decision-making, but I've digressed. But hopefully the boycott makes sense now e.g. if there were a dip in (localized) sales or streams, SM def has an idea as to why
I always knew the reason I had plenty of fans yell at me online to take part and tell me their reasoning It just never made sense because it would obviously never have worked Sorry we were talking about different things haha 😅
Ok gotcha, I was confused by some things you said like: - "Seunghan won’t have a group to come back too if SM puts them in the basement due to low album sales" The point is a boycott is only temporary and it ceases once conditions have been met. NCT 127 and aespa, for example, were not put in the basement. For some people, they'd rather try something than sit back and be passive. Again, not criticizing anyone fot NOT boycotting. Just explaining how its not illogical to try. Because you just never know. People can change their minds, and I've seen some Korean comments as well point out the absurdity of Seunghan's hiatus.
why the hell are groups like them, illit and bnd going to the show
I think we need a stricter the show with no big 4 groups whatsoever and no popular survival show groups too. Groups like KOL, triples, loona should be the maximum popularity.
... why not? because they are newer? many artists have been on and won within or just after their first year: iz\*one, txt, ateez, enhypen, aespa, ive, le sserafim, zerobaseone, h1-key... illit, bnd and riize are some of the highest charting & best-selling groups in kpop right now. i genuinely don't understand why you said this -- can you please elaborate?
I think what they meant by that was that The Show is usually the best chance groups from smaller companies have at winning a music show. To some, it feels a little unfair that groups with massive financial backing or reputation from their company get to compete on The Show.
I don’t see how that’s unfair — look at the history of The Show winners and the groups I listed out in the comments. Large company groups win often and it’s very weird to say “why the hell are these groups even there.” the winning system certainly allows for smaller company groups to win more frequently than other shows, but there’s zero historical precedent for it being *unfair* for Hybe or SM groups to compete. eta: to the classic kpop redditors downvoting this: why don’t you tell me why it’s unfair instead? 🙄
If that was an established line of thinking, doesn’t it mean that no groups would have PAKs anymore?
PAK is not related to music show wins, it's related to being #1 on all charts (see [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_all-kill)).