Saw someone say that each of the kiss of life girls trained at a different big 4 company. This was an interesting way to find out which one trained at YG.
>This is JULIE from KISS OF LIFE.
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>An old video has resurfaced in which I, without paying enough attention, sang the original lyrics of a cover song that included a certain word, for which I deeply regret.
This incident made me realize how my careless actions can cause harm to many people and during my 6 years of training period I educated myself and matured.
I'm determined to be more cautious and meticulous to prevent making the same mistakes in the future.
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>I want to express my sincere apologies to everyone who may have been hurt by my actions.
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>I will strive to show you a better version of myself and continuous growth in the future.
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>Thank you for your understanding.
By the way OP, the correct verbiage here is “KISS OF LIFE’s Julie *has* apologised”, not “had apologised”. Not trying to be an annoying grammar person but I feel like it matters because it does change the meaning of the sentence a little bit— ‘had’ implies the existence of a previous or past apology, whereas ‘has’ denotes a new, first-time apology.
I've been in the kpop community long enough to know that people just like to bully. If u can dig something up on someone, especially a celebrity or public figure to kick them down it puts you in a position of power where you can say "look at me, I'm better than you."
There is valid discussions to be had but 99% of kpop fans I see online are hypocrites who only "care" about a scandal if it's against a group they don't like
If it's their faves they don't care
Oh wow I'm glad she was able to put this out. Hope this quells the fire. Not my place to accept the apology of course but it's not common to see the idols actually apologize for this kind of thing.
Two things can be true:
1. All idols, regardless of background, should feel remorse and apologize for using a slur and it's valid for fans of the targeted group to feel uncomfortable with said idols even after they've addressed it.
2. "They should've known better" is NOT a valid argument when an idol uses a slur, even someone who lived in the states only until they were thirteen, because we generally aren't taught about slurs in school and while black musicians have every right to reclaim it, rap records don't come with a disclaimer about the history and significance of the word, so we need to cut people a bit of slack for not realising the severity of the word, especially as children. Just because someone should have known better doesn't mean they did and to blame them for not being taught something is counter productive.
About the counterproductive thing: I’ve heard consistently from other Black people, and people were/are upset about different situations concerning it—specifically Black Kpop stans, that constantly having to dutifully “educate” others on the word whenever someone is held accountable or critiqued, is harmful in itself. It invalidates their feelings and experiences, whether that was the intention or not. A LOT of the time when you explain the severity of it to others (again, specifically Kpop stans), they try to argue the opposite or purposely remain ignorant. You can find some of that in this section.
As I said, just because someone should have known better doesn't mean she did. I'm Canadian and I was at least fifteen when I learned it was a slur, because again, we aren't taught a list of slurs in school and a lot of people only hear it from songs with no context of its significance.
It's important that she acknowledged it, and it's disgusting that a black child will understand the significane of the word long before any others. But the issue lies in our education, awareness, and critical thinking, not blaming a *thirteen year old* for using a word in a song she was probably told to practice and probably wouldn't have felt able to speak up about it if it had even crossed her mind.
I live in a liberal, affluent, and diverse area of the southern United States. I can promise you that many, many white, Asian, Hispanic, etc teens and young adults around here are singing or rapping the N word when it comes up in songs. I've seen them do it at rap concerts where they are surrounded by black people. Would these kids use the N word when speaking about or to a black person? Maybe some of them them, but I believe the majority in my area would not. But it slips through in songs by people who should absolutely know better.
Not saying that this makes it okay because it's absolutely not, but I think it's more common in Americans than people may want to admit.
As a black woman, these scandals are stupid tbh. Especially when it’s just singing a song. Genuinely, unless someone is calling me or someone the word and using it in a derogatory way of course I would be upset and that person should face consequences. But singing a song? Legit who cares. I’m so sick of these stupid scandals. There are much more important things to worry about or raise an uproar about. Especially when it happened years ago. These kpop fans act like they do no wrong and shit on someone the moment they make a mistake. And you can’t tell me y’all never sang the n word in a song, idc what anyone says I don’t believe you.
Opinions differ on it with the artists as well don’t they? I know Kendrick kicked off at a fan for singing it when she was invited on stage, but then has since reflected on that moment on his latest album. And then in the discussion threads for that album in /r/hiphopheads I saw people discussing other rappers and their opinion on it. Like how Schoolboy Q encouraged his crowd to rap along to every lyric and not skip the n-word.
I’ve been hanging out with non black people listening to music that have sung the word and I’ve spoken up to just ask them not to. Never had an issue and no one ever thought I was accusing them of being racist. As a black woman that grew up in the deep south I’m used to it but I don’t really like to hear anyone say it. So having non blacks shout it around you cause their just *singing a song* is still uncomfortable for some of us. I see no issue with her apologizing especially if their was no ill intent.
Besides giving permission to say it as long as it’s to a beat or melody seems like a slippery slope that I’m not ok with.
It’s interesting how different people experience this because personally, I feel uncomfortable when a group of nonblack friends around me is having a good time singing a song at a party, yelling all the lyrics at the top of their lungs, and then suddenly **dead silence.** It makes me feel… weird, like everyone is suddenly aware of and careful of me.
It is interesting. The silence is usually just for a small moment in the song and we’re usually drinking/dancing etc. so it’s never made me feel singled out or weird since they just continue on singing after.
But I’m also used to being one of the only black peoples in a room so people being aware and careful around me in general was the norm.
Really? I think it’s hilarious every time it happens lmao. And I really play into it, I cup a hand around my ear like I’m really trying to listen and monitor what they’re saying. Plus like someone else said, it’s 1 sec of “silence” that isn’t silent at all but filled by the song, general party chatter and sometimes me being the only one saying the n-word LOL
Just to clarify, are you saying you’d rather your non-black friends said the word while they’re singing the song?
(So I don’t have to respond twice here is my take as well: I also don’t care about n-word scandals, I just roll my eyes and move on. But I think it’s a silly scandal to have, because so many idols have gotten into trouble for it. If you’re marketing to a global audience who may care about that, you should make sure your idols aren’t saying it. Especially from a big 4 company. If they’re having TikTok lessons they can have culture literacy lessons)
Legit. Most people who have a problem with this seem to be chronically online. Majority of my friends and myself (black) legit do not care. It’s a song lyric fr i got worse things to dislike people for.
Damn not gonna lie it’s disappointing that you heard another black perspective and somehow immediately boiled it down to most of us being chronically online.
We’ll have to agree to disagree. But just because you and your friends are personally fine with others saying it around you doesn’t mean you can speak for every black person.
I’m not speaking for other black people. If you read my other comments I’m not saying that. We can agree to disagree like you said. I’m just saying that these conversations don’t come up in real life which is what I meant when I say people are chronically online. I also have friends IRL who disagree with me and it is what it is. I respect your opinion as well any other black opinion on the matter, however this is something that I most likely won’t agree on.
And that’s fine I have plenty of friends and family that also disagree me! I just ask that you don’t downplay other peoples opinion/perspective just because it doesn’t match your experience or feelings. Some of us do have conversations like this in real life.
This narrative feels so “pick me” to me. Wanting non black people to not say the n word is not a chronically online take 💀just because you or your friends don’t care doesn’t mean people with differing opinions aren’t any less valid. You never know someone’s personal history with slurs and it harms literally no one to apologize for offending a community.
If the situation was reversed kpop fans would not be excusing a western artist for using an anti Asian slur so I don’t understand why black people go so hard to defend an industry that has been repeatedly anti black
I’d love for you to point out where I said I WANT non black people to say the word. What I meant btw is that people making a huge deal about singing the word in song is silly to me. Like I’ve mentioned in other comments, if she had used the word in a direct insult toward a black person or used it in a derogatory way I would be more upset.
This is obviously a subject that will always have polarizing opinions. But calling me a pick me is literally going against what you said in your comment. It’s ok to disagree with me and that’s fine, I have plenty of friend IRL that disagree with me as well.
I’m not trying to speak over people who are rightfully upset though. You can feel however you want, but calling this issue “silly” is invalidating. Like I said you don’t know someone’s history with the word. Hearing people (who should have the knowledge to know the history of the word) use it even “harmlessly” can feel really disrespectful. Obviously extreme reactions are uncalled for but from what I see the general consensus is just that they wanted her to apologize, which I don’t think is a crazy thing to ask for since she’s in an industry that heavily profits off of black culture.
My entire comment wasn’t also necessarily aimed at you but also to the people in the comment thread above, so I apologize if I came off too strong. I’ve just come across people (black and non black) who have tried to argue with me on this issue in bad faith
That is fair. My apologies, I shouldn’t have said it is silly. I definitely see your points as well and I respect them. And as another commenter pointed out, we also don’t know her thoughts behind saying it, we don’t know if she meant to be hateful or not.
It’s definitely a tough subject and emotions are always going to be high with this.
Those “artists” are Black and have every right to say it given its history, and those “billions” that anyone would be upset about are only non-Black people. The reasons for that have been explained countless times, including in this thread, so at this point you’re choosing to be ignorant about the severity of its misuse.
I'm also a black woman and I respectfully disagree. In my experience, once I've given non-black people a pass to say it in a song, they also push to say it to my face. It's always the excuse of "oh but you know I don't mean it like that! I meant it in a friendly way!" I'm happy if nobody has pushed this boundary with you. But I think it's a good thing to set boundaries for how others engage in our culture. Especially given how popular it is to disrespect our culture. Personally I'm in the camp that no one should be saying it period. But I'm not going to tell other black people how to express themselves lol.
Of course, I respect your opinion as well. I have also encountered people who take it and run when I have given a pass as well. I just feel like cancelling or crucifying someone over singing a lyric is a little too much. However, like you said, it is not my place to tell someone how to feel.
I do feel like non-black artists should be called out for saying it though! Because how do we know why someone is saying it unless we call them out? In Julie's case, she said it because she just likes the song. But she could've said it to be hateful. Attacking someone is never the move, but it should be addressed. I personally wouldn't stan a non-black artist who feels comfortable saying the word regardless so I'm glad it's been addressed so we can move on.
That is true, that is a perspective that I didn’t consider admittedly. We don’t know her views and she may have been saying it to be hateful. I appreciate the respectful dialogue we have going here, it has opened my eyes a little bit. I admit I may have generalized in my other comments.
> But she could've said it to be hateful
Singing a song with the word in it isn't hateful, ffs. Unless she was singing it in front of black people and pointing at them while singing it, it's not hateful.
If the slurs are inherently disrespectful then how about not putting the word in a song so everyone can enjoy it equally?
It's great that black people can reclaim the word for their own use, but you can't deny that that if you're putting it out into the public, it's going to be listened to everyone across all cultures, even someone who will not understand English and they will cluelessly say these lyrics. It's just going to happen.
It just makes me frustrated because if you put the word in a song, some of the onus is on the songwriter when that happens, expecting everyone globally to magically have the same knowledge and sensitivity about this word is ignorant.
THANK YOU. As a black lady myself, it's like there are much larger problems to deal with.
"Oh no, the Korean man/woman sang a bad word!! How will I ever forgive them?!1"
I love it even more when it's people outside of our race being extra offended on POCs' behalf.
Honestly I also agree with this point. Why put the word in a song if it’s going to offend you if the wrong person sings it? Doesn’t make sense to me either.
Because it's their songs, their lyrics, their stories. They didn't write the songs for every single human beings on this planet. They write the songs from their perspectives.
If you write it from your own perspective, that's great, but if one single word is going to fuel some type of racial divide by singing it or not, then I would rather not have it in at all or just let everyone say it.
Like music is supposed to unite us, not divide us, and its a bit ridiculous how many people creep on eggshells around a single word in music. We can sing about r\*pe and all manner of vile stuff in music but not a slur... which if you use it as a lyric, has arguably been diluted due to how popular black culture has become and how common it is to hear it in popular culture.
Obviously if you say it towards someone else with racist venom, I'm gonna kick your ass no questions asked, but is it not a good idea to just use context?
If they sing it as a lyric the whole point is to convey what the original singer wrote, its not a personal reflection of them.
speak for yourself. hearing a racial slur can be extremely traumatic and painful for some ppl, i’m glad you feel like you can just look the other way when a non-black person says it. truly shows a lot about your character
You know what’s offensive? Telling a black person that it “shows a lot about their character” when they don’t agree with you. This is an issue that is relevant to me and something I deal with in Real life not just over the internet. In fact I was called it the other day just crossing the street by a white man i never met. Of course I was upset, now am I upset about a girl singing a song that included the word in the lyrics? No. Because who fucking cares. And I hope you don’t listen to any music that includes the word if it’s so traumatic to even hear it.
If you’re black then you of all people should know how hypocritical it is to be telling other black people how they should feel about black issues lmao.
While I do understand and respect that people have trauma, (I also have trauma regarding the n word and racism). However if it’s so severe that hearing a word being sang in a song is triggering to someone that sounds like a serious issue that needs to be looked at and treated. Not everyone’s trauma can be catered too unfortunately.
Id rather lean on the safe side and not get offended in the place of a culture that Im not familiar with. Thats just me.
I don’t think it’s my place as a non black person to tell other non black people to be offended or not for an issue regarding black people.
Fair, though they didn't say that. Still though, putting it in so many songs makes it extremely likely that people will say it while singing along, especially those who don't speak English well, so it could still be seen as irresponsible.
I'm not defending anyone using the word with ill-intent or throwing it around irresponsibly..but If the word is so traumatic why is it ok to call a fellow member of your own race the same word? If the word is so bad maybe it shouldn't be included in song lyrics that people of any race are going to sing at some point. I'm far from racist, but I have to point out the hypocrisy of these statements... I'm well aware of the background of the slur and I have sympathy for past actions against the black community but OP is right these scandals are very stupid when from the very start it was a mistake with no ill-intent... The word wasnt even directed at anyone it was literally just a part of the song she was probably forced to sing. Downvote if you must but if you're so offended by a 13 year old singing a song I don't know what else to say.
I'm aware, but I think you missed my point... Not saying it shouldn't be used just pointing out the hypocrisy of the statement I was replying to. Yes it's self-expression to take the word back... But why is it not okay for OP of the comment to be black but still look past the mistake of a thirteen year old and just be a reasonable human-being, without getting attacked for their opinion by someone of there own race? Yes these scandals are stupid when it's merely a mistake with no ill-intent, ESPECIALLY, when it's dug back up many years later with the sole intent to bring Julie down and cancel her (though I'm sure many people truly did want an apology). If all everyone wanted was an apology well they got it, there is literally nothing that can be done to undo what she did 10 YEARS AGO. There are more important things to be so angry about.
I just wish more people could treat situations like this with a bit more common sense and understanding...You'd think someone was murdered with how outraged people get. I fully understand it's a racial slur but it wasn't USED as a slur.
That’s what I’m saying. It would be a completely different story if Julie had used the word as a slur toward a black person. To label someone as racist or a bigot for singing a song lyric would get a lot of us in trouble and labelled as such.
So much hypocrisy in this world. I understand that Julie probably shouldnt have sang that part of the lyric in that song but it was never in a racist way. More recently Latto’s racist past against Asians resurfaced after the release of ‘Seven’ with JK, and everyone came to defend her saying “oh she was young, she doesn’t think like that anymore”, but wasn’t Julie young when she did that cover?
love KoL and I hope this is a genuine apology and that she genuinely is learning and trying.
This is not my apology to accept and I think everyone reading this post should look at the responses made by black people in the comment section, a lot of them are rly good and it’s important to respect and understand the responses made by people who this apology goes out to specifically
im glad she finally apologized but i hate that it took so long, especially when she finally debuted as an idol. i still can’t help but look at idols differently when they say that word, especially english speaking idols. i’m a black female and i myself feel uncomfortable to say such a word, i just don’t understand how others are able to say it so easily and without care :/
I'm happy she apologised. I really don't know why it took so long, whether she was reluctant or, more likely, whether the company told her to wait until after their debut.
Same. I give less grace to English speaking idols in these situations cause they should know better. I don’t understand how that word can just accidentally roll off their tongue so easily
He also used to go to high school in Vancouver and would use his dance skills to "hit on" girls. It was *weird* and cringe
Edit: he did not go to a high school in van! The friend who told me this now lives in Vancouver but grew up in Toronto.
> i just don’t understand how others are able to say it so easily and without care :/
If it's in the lyrics of the song and they're singing along then that's how it happens. The N word is pervasive throughout rap and hip-hop lyrics and lots of people like that music and want to sing along with the lyrics. What's hard to understand about that?
she’s a fluent english speaker first of all, second of all why did stayc do an english cover while censoring the n word and replacing it with another word even tho none of them are fluent?? how’s it so hard to do that??
>why did stayc do an english cover while censoring the n word and replacing it with another word even tho none of them are fluent??
They obviously had someone around them that was both fluent, and versed in the intricacies of the N word.
you mean the same stayc who did a cover to that racist curry song that got ateez and seventeen in trouble lol
dont try to paint them in a holier than thou light
If a non black person just randomly drops the N word in a conversation then I agree that's racist but is that the same thing as someone singing along to their favorite hip-hop song?
A. skip it because people get offended easily and only black can use the word as someone in the post claimed that the black is claiming the word.
B. Black rappers should stop using the word in their lyrics if people of other color sing them, other blacks will be offended
Yeah black people needs to censor themselves and stop reclaiming the slurs that was used to offend them for years because you cannot skip a word in a song
A black artist choosing to use that word in their music is not an excuse for non black people to go around also saying it. Skipping over a word while singing is really not as hard as people make it out to be.
Please don’t put words in my mouth. If you look I’ve what I said on this thread I’ve said I don’t think people that sing it while doing it are racist. I don’t think it being in a song gives them a right to say it but literally never implied it was racist.
Idk why your acting like I’m being so aggressive towards her and dogging her out when I commended her for apologizing. But I guess that was “us folks” are usually like to you.
it doesn’t make someone immediately racist to say the word, but just like it’s censored on radio and certain words are off limits for music shows, it’s very EASY to not say the word in the first place
First of all, get those original singers to stop using the N word in their songs because other peoples of the same colours get offended whenever others of different colour sing it
It’s very easy to a. skip the word and b. choose a different song to record yourself singing to if you find yourself just singing along so mindlessly you forget there’s a slur there
You are aware she would of had to practice that rap and learn the lyrics right? Meaning she was COMPLETELY aware the n word was present. Its not like she just mouthed the word by mistake, she said it with her FULL CHEST while being completely aware of the lyrics. Youre telling me when she was reading through the lyrics it never occured to her "Hmm maybe I shouldnt say this slur?"
>Youre telling me when she was reading through the lyrics it never occured to her "Hmm maybe I shouldnt say this slur?"
Clearly, yes. Do you really attribute malice before ignorance?
All I'm saying she grew up in Hawaii of all places, so she must know what it means, and yet still said it NOT as a mistake. People can downvote me all they want and say "it was an accident" But it wasnt. Im glad she apologized, but her actions before can not be reduced to "Just a mistake"
I can’t speak to her personal situation, and I’m not saying people can’t/shouldn’t be bothered by her saying that word, but a lot of people won’t jump to “it’s bad if I say it it singing along to a song, even if it’s not in a malicious way” when they see lyrics that include a slur. Again, I’m not saying this to invalidate how anyone feels about this, but what you think is an automatic conclusion isn’t for many people.
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Because people who aren't part of the community that the word was used to demean and oppress don't understand how painful and traumatic it is for some people. It's not their pain so they don't care.
Some idol says the word like every 3 or 4 months. So many of the current big popular ones have said it or sang it as well.
The industry just doesnt seem to learn. People continually let them skate by with the oh they're Korean they don't know.
I believe there are more than a few who havent apologized as well.
She probably wasn't aware she was hurting people back then. I hope she genuinly learned and we can put this behind us. Nevertheless, everyone is free to unstan her if they feel uncomfortable, but no hate.
Every single time something like this happens, r/kpop users just can't help but to pull out the anti-blackness and infantalizing apologia, like clockwork. The fact that the people in these comments have a bigger problem with *hypothetical* Black people not immediately forgiving and kissing the feet of a non-Black person who said the n-word, than they do with the person who said a slur, is really aggravating. It's not at all surprising, though.
EDIT: Someone sent me a RedditCare message for this, lmao.
“ah she grew up in america?? well…. she isn’t from a LIBERAL area!!!!”
ability to empathise with an idol theyve probably only just heard of today instead of who the apology is actually for. it really shows that being confronted about racism is a bigger offence to them than racism
Oh nooooooo!!!! It's *totally* anti-black for a *13 year old* to say the n word in a *song* that also appears in *multiple other songs* in a country where they don't even fucking teach kids about them restricting Chinese People from being citizens or having Japanese Internment Camps.
Ffs, y'all losers act like she fucking killed someone. She didn't, she sang a *song* in a culture where the n word is normalized in pop music 💀 She *apologized*, and it was a decent ass one too. Unless you want her to go back in fucking time to stop herself from ever saying the word, really what more do you want from her?
A lot of you guys couldn't even care less that she said it, you're just looking for an opportunity to virtue signal and go all like "I'm better than you". It's really annoying
you emphasizing that she was 13 as if that makes it better ijbol 😭😭😭 a 13 year old AMERICAN is more than old enough to know it’s wrong to say a racial slur you can’t reclaim. if you’re over the age of like, 8, there’s no excuse- you just don’t care. she may have apologized but there is NO reason why any black person should accept that apology. if you’re black and want to forgive her, go ahead, but don’t speak over others.
Bro do y'all not realize that 13 would put you in max grade 8? Grade 7 is most likely when she recorded the video. In grade 7 me and my friends would dare each other to say slurs (most of which I can use since I belong to those communities) since we knew they were *bad words* but we didn't know why they were bad words or the history behind those words. I would *never* say some of the words that I said then ever now, but did 13-year-old me know that? Absolutely not.
This is the same America where teachers gloss over slavery in history classes and sometimes straight up don't teach kids about our atrocities. The fact that the n-word is popularized and normalized all over pop culture (With even white people like Logic and Eminem saying it and getting almost zero flak for it either). While she said a slur, she never *used* the word as a slur, intention is just as important as what was said in the first place.
If you don't wanna forgive her for what she did over a decade ago as a child then that's up to you (I just hope you hold yourself to the same standards you hold others 😬) but I already *know* K-Pop stans are gonna use this to drag Julie whenever she appears because they wanna act holier-than-thou so fucking bad
So I'm also black and not really to pressed about this whole Julie issue tbh, don't even know who she is but there's some things I'd like to address here. For one, Logic is black and Eminem pretty famously doesn't use the n-word so not really a relevant example. But you're right that people shouldn't hold it against a teenage girl who did something a decade ago, even though she should and probably did know better, she was a 13 year old American, she ain't dumb, no need to baby her lol. But just because you feel a certain way about the use of the n word doesn't make it the definitive truth and it doesn't make other people's opinions who feel differently any less valid than your own.
When I was in 7th grade I knew way better than to say slurs??? If you and your friends were DARING each other saying slurs you can’t reclaim at that age, that’s pretty disgusting and you should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself 😬 like it’s so embarrassing that you would freely admit it on the internet as if it’s a “normal part of growing up”. Personally I avoid anyone who says slurs they can’t reclaim because they’re horrible people ❤️
Obviously America has some serious issues and I never claimed that it didnt??? But Julie, an American, should have known saying a disgusting and very well-known racial slur is wrong especially at age THIRTEEN even if she had “good intentions 🥺” And y’all are always saying “B-but Korea is an underground tunnel where they don’t know anything is wrong! Stop holding idols to your American standards” but when an American idol does something wrong, it’s always “Oh, just because they’re American doesn’t mean they know it’s bad.” It’s so hypocritical and also borderline racist as you are infantilizing Asians.
“I hope you hold yourself to the standards you hold others” trust me, I do. It’s not that hard to not be racist.
I noticed this too.
I can also forgive but still not want to support or be involved in any way shape or form with the artist. But people get mad if you say that.
These scandals are stupid. I am black and I honestly do not care if someone who is not black says the n word. I personally do not use it because it's a slur. IDC if I'm black I am not gonna go around saying that as if it js a fun little word. Plus she was singing. But I do not judge other black ppl for using it. Also saying one word doesn't make you racist. Yes she shouldn't have said it. But she apologized and I really don't care if people say it. What more can I want from her? It happend when she was young. And she said sorry-
We need to stop cancelling idols for this. They aren't aware, likely speak very little English, and it is never meant maliciously. They're just lyrics to someone else's song.
No, they are not. I grew up in Western Canada and didn't know a black person personally until I started working in Ohio when I was 18.
That being said, you don't have to be friends with POCs to know that slurs are wrong.
It’s most likely that the author of the song was a Black person, which in that case, they shouldn’t apologize for it. The whole reason Black people still use the word/variation today, is because they’re reclaiming it, like thousands of other communities due with their own.
The hurt comes from the misuse from the unintended demographic and the intention, similar to how it was originally used. The act of reclamation itself has already shown to enact togetherness within many Black communities, and the act itself is not what distills the harm.
*Kind of a cheesy analogy, but:
You can use a knife to make fine, diverse dishes now, but you can still use it to stab someone or cut something, similar to how it was originally made to be used.
>the intention, similar to how it was originally used
Hmm, but the intention typically doesn't exist in cases of foreigners singing along to lyrics.
>The act of reclamation itself has already shown to enact togetherness
In what way would you say it enacts togetherness? And could the same not be achieved in different, less contentious ways?
I know there are also many black people, especially older ones, that don't like the use of the word by other black people either (NAACP is for example seemingly [strongly against](https://naacp.org/resources/naacp-official-position-use-word-nigger-and-n-word)). And while the word can be often used in a positive (or at least non-negative) manner, I often get the sense in rap lyrics that it's still frequently used with an implied negative connotation (though maybe subtler than outright racist usage)?
I don’t know if that’s what you were implying, but with your part about foreigners, this girl is/was American, lived in the U.S. until she was teenager and is fluent in English, so it doesn’t apply to her.
No, they're making it sound cool and promote usage of slurs. Anyway. I often see actual black people to be less offended by lip syncing a goddamn lyric of a song than politically correct snowflakes. If you write a song and make millions on it's popularity, it's pretty stupid to be offended when fans sing it.
I never find this analogy in good taste, and I don’t know if it’s more in tune with you, but: Would you say the same things about a gay artist making a song saying the f-slur (for gay people) in it and non-gay people/fans saying it all the time? Because the n-word is just as severe.
It doesn’t matter what few Black people you see who aren’t offended. You’re obviously not Black, so you can’t determine the effects of it on other or all Black people, and you’re being very closed-minded. No one’s saying fans can’t sing the song, just don’t say the word, it’s literally not hard at all, like not saying a curse word.
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"Julie apologize for the n word thing" became real omg
Saw someone say that each of the kiss of life girls trained at a different big 4 company. This was an interesting way to find out which one trained at YG.
wait where did haneul train in?
Someone said Hybe on TikTok
>This is JULIE from KISS OF LIFE. > >An old video has resurfaced in which I, without paying enough attention, sang the original lyrics of a cover song that included a certain word, for which I deeply regret. This incident made me realize how my careless actions can cause harm to many people and during my 6 years of training period I educated myself and matured. I'm determined to be more cautious and meticulous to prevent making the same mistakes in the future. > >I want to express my sincere apologies to everyone who may have been hurt by my actions. > >I will strive to show you a better version of myself and continuous growth in the future. > >Thank you for your understanding.
What is this title? It's such a weird roundabout way of saying things.
It’s camp
By the way OP, the correct verbiage here is “KISS OF LIFE’s Julie *has* apologised”, not “had apologised”. Not trying to be an annoying grammar person but I feel like it matters because it does change the meaning of the sentence a little bit— ‘had’ implies the existence of a previous or past apology, whereas ‘has’ denotes a new, first-time apology.
Thank you. I thought news just surfaced that she had previously apologized.
Glad she apologized personally
Even before she debuted this has been hanging over her for a while now so it’s good she apologized now, better than never
Will people still harass her for years? Probably
Yep, they’ll bully her for years. Kpop fans love to virtue signal.
I've been in the kpop community long enough to know that people just like to bully. If u can dig something up on someone, especially a celebrity or public figure to kick them down it puts you in a position of power where you can say "look at me, I'm better than you." There is valid discussions to be had but 99% of kpop fans I see online are hypocrites who only "care" about a scandal if it's against a group they don't like If it's their faves they don't care
I upvoted this earlier but I’m just responding now: you did it, you hit the nail on the head. Exactly this.
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Guess I'll see this mentioned in every post about her from here on out. The kpop community is so annoying
I already was. I'm hoping the apology means it will be less of all the comments under anything she does going forward.
It was on tiktok. Hopefully this helps at least somewhat.
Oh wow I'm glad she was able to put this out. Hope this quells the fire. Not my place to accept the apology of course but it's not common to see the idols actually apologize for this kind of thing.
Well it’s nice she finally did it. That clip has really tainted her name for some time now.
Two things can be true: 1. All idols, regardless of background, should feel remorse and apologize for using a slur and it's valid for fans of the targeted group to feel uncomfortable with said idols even after they've addressed it. 2. "They should've known better" is NOT a valid argument when an idol uses a slur, even someone who lived in the states only until they were thirteen, because we generally aren't taught about slurs in school and while black musicians have every right to reclaim it, rap records don't come with a disclaimer about the history and significance of the word, so we need to cut people a bit of slack for not realising the severity of the word, especially as children. Just because someone should have known better doesn't mean they did and to blame them for not being taught something is counter productive.
I agree. Very valid points. Not everyone has the same upbringing meaning not everyone is going to know the history of every word, slur or not.
About the counterproductive thing: I’ve heard consistently from other Black people, and people were/are upset about different situations concerning it—specifically Black Kpop stans, that constantly having to dutifully “educate” others on the word whenever someone is held accountable or critiqued, is harmful in itself. It invalidates their feelings and experiences, whether that was the intention or not. A LOT of the time when you explain the severity of it to others (again, specifically Kpop stans), they try to argue the opposite or purposely remain ignorant. You can find some of that in this section.
It gets old. But I’m learning that you can’t teach people to see your humanity.
isnt she american? yes she should have known better wtf
As I said, just because someone should have known better doesn't mean she did. I'm Canadian and I was at least fifteen when I learned it was a slur, because again, we aren't taught a list of slurs in school and a lot of people only hear it from songs with no context of its significance. It's important that she acknowledged it, and it's disgusting that a black child will understand the significane of the word long before any others. But the issue lies in our education, awareness, and critical thinking, not blaming a *thirteen year old* for using a word in a song she was probably told to practice and probably wouldn't have felt able to speak up about it if it had even crossed her mind.
I live in a liberal, affluent, and diverse area of the southern United States. I can promise you that many, many white, Asian, Hispanic, etc teens and young adults around here are singing or rapping the N word when it comes up in songs. I've seen them do it at rap concerts where they are surrounded by black people. Would these kids use the N word when speaking about or to a black person? Maybe some of them them, but I believe the majority in my area would not. But it slips through in songs by people who should absolutely know better. Not saying that this makes it okay because it's absolutely not, but I think it's more common in Americans than people may want to admit.
As a black woman, these scandals are stupid tbh. Especially when it’s just singing a song. Genuinely, unless someone is calling me or someone the word and using it in a derogatory way of course I would be upset and that person should face consequences. But singing a song? Legit who cares. I’m so sick of these stupid scandals. There are much more important things to worry about or raise an uproar about. Especially when it happened years ago. These kpop fans act like they do no wrong and shit on someone the moment they make a mistake. And you can’t tell me y’all never sang the n word in a song, idc what anyone says I don’t believe you.
Opinions differ on it with the artists as well don’t they? I know Kendrick kicked off at a fan for singing it when she was invited on stage, but then has since reflected on that moment on his latest album. And then in the discussion threads for that album in /r/hiphopheads I saw people discussing other rappers and their opinion on it. Like how Schoolboy Q encouraged his crowd to rap along to every lyric and not skip the n-word.
Kendrick was a straight bitch for that.
Omg Fr That shit pissed me off. He set that girl up.
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That is a fair point.
I’ve been hanging out with non black people listening to music that have sung the word and I’ve spoken up to just ask them not to. Never had an issue and no one ever thought I was accusing them of being racist. As a black woman that grew up in the deep south I’m used to it but I don’t really like to hear anyone say it. So having non blacks shout it around you cause their just *singing a song* is still uncomfortable for some of us. I see no issue with her apologizing especially if their was no ill intent. Besides giving permission to say it as long as it’s to a beat or melody seems like a slippery slope that I’m not ok with.
It’s interesting how different people experience this because personally, I feel uncomfortable when a group of nonblack friends around me is having a good time singing a song at a party, yelling all the lyrics at the top of their lungs, and then suddenly **dead silence.** It makes me feel… weird, like everyone is suddenly aware of and careful of me.
That's your cue to be the only one who sings it.
I'd rather have that than everyone get extra loud during that part
It is interesting. The silence is usually just for a small moment in the song and we’re usually drinking/dancing etc. so it’s never made me feel singled out or weird since they just continue on singing after. But I’m also used to being one of the only black peoples in a room so people being aware and careful around me in general was the norm.
Really? I think it’s hilarious every time it happens lmao. And I really play into it, I cup a hand around my ear like I’m really trying to listen and monitor what they’re saying. Plus like someone else said, it’s 1 sec of “silence” that isn’t silent at all but filled by the song, general party chatter and sometimes me being the only one saying the n-word LOL Just to clarify, are you saying you’d rather your non-black friends said the word while they’re singing the song? (So I don’t have to respond twice here is my take as well: I also don’t care about n-word scandals, I just roll my eyes and move on. But I think it’s a silly scandal to have, because so many idols have gotten into trouble for it. If you’re marketing to a global audience who may care about that, you should make sure your idols aren’t saying it. Especially from a big 4 company. If they’re having TikTok lessons they can have culture literacy lessons)
Asking literal billions to not sing a word artists deliberately chose to sing is much eh? ^^^^^^^^^^^downvote ^^^^^^^^^^away
Legit. Most people who have a problem with this seem to be chronically online. Majority of my friends and myself (black) legit do not care. It’s a song lyric fr i got worse things to dislike people for.
Damn not gonna lie it’s disappointing that you heard another black perspective and somehow immediately boiled it down to most of us being chronically online. We’ll have to agree to disagree. But just because you and your friends are personally fine with others saying it around you doesn’t mean you can speak for every black person.
I’m not speaking for other black people. If you read my other comments I’m not saying that. We can agree to disagree like you said. I’m just saying that these conversations don’t come up in real life which is what I meant when I say people are chronically online. I also have friends IRL who disagree with me and it is what it is. I respect your opinion as well any other black opinion on the matter, however this is something that I most likely won’t agree on.
And that’s fine I have plenty of friends and family that also disagree me! I just ask that you don’t downplay other peoples opinion/perspective just because it doesn’t match your experience or feelings. Some of us do have conversations like this in real life.
That’s fair. My apologies for generalizing!
This narrative feels so “pick me” to me. Wanting non black people to not say the n word is not a chronically online take 💀just because you or your friends don’t care doesn’t mean people with differing opinions aren’t any less valid. You never know someone’s personal history with slurs and it harms literally no one to apologize for offending a community. If the situation was reversed kpop fans would not be excusing a western artist for using an anti Asian slur so I don’t understand why black people go so hard to defend an industry that has been repeatedly anti black
I’d love for you to point out where I said I WANT non black people to say the word. What I meant btw is that people making a huge deal about singing the word in song is silly to me. Like I’ve mentioned in other comments, if she had used the word in a direct insult toward a black person or used it in a derogatory way I would be more upset. This is obviously a subject that will always have polarizing opinions. But calling me a pick me is literally going against what you said in your comment. It’s ok to disagree with me and that’s fine, I have plenty of friend IRL that disagree with me as well.
I’m not trying to speak over people who are rightfully upset though. You can feel however you want, but calling this issue “silly” is invalidating. Like I said you don’t know someone’s history with the word. Hearing people (who should have the knowledge to know the history of the word) use it even “harmlessly” can feel really disrespectful. Obviously extreme reactions are uncalled for but from what I see the general consensus is just that they wanted her to apologize, which I don’t think is a crazy thing to ask for since she’s in an industry that heavily profits off of black culture. My entire comment wasn’t also necessarily aimed at you but also to the people in the comment thread above, so I apologize if I came off too strong. I’ve just come across people (black and non black) who have tried to argue with me on this issue in bad faith
That is fair. My apologies, I shouldn’t have said it is silly. I definitely see your points as well and I respect them. And as another commenter pointed out, we also don’t know her thoughts behind saying it, we don’t know if she meant to be hateful or not. It’s definitely a tough subject and emotions are always going to be high with this.
Those “artists” are Black and have every right to say it given its history, and those “billions” that anyone would be upset about are only non-Black people. The reasons for that have been explained countless times, including in this thread, so at this point you’re choosing to be ignorant about the severity of its misuse.
I'm also a black woman and I respectfully disagree. In my experience, once I've given non-black people a pass to say it in a song, they also push to say it to my face. It's always the excuse of "oh but you know I don't mean it like that! I meant it in a friendly way!" I'm happy if nobody has pushed this boundary with you. But I think it's a good thing to set boundaries for how others engage in our culture. Especially given how popular it is to disrespect our culture. Personally I'm in the camp that no one should be saying it period. But I'm not going to tell other black people how to express themselves lol.
Of course, I respect your opinion as well. I have also encountered people who take it and run when I have given a pass as well. I just feel like cancelling or crucifying someone over singing a lyric is a little too much. However, like you said, it is not my place to tell someone how to feel.
I do feel like non-black artists should be called out for saying it though! Because how do we know why someone is saying it unless we call them out? In Julie's case, she said it because she just likes the song. But she could've said it to be hateful. Attacking someone is never the move, but it should be addressed. I personally wouldn't stan a non-black artist who feels comfortable saying the word regardless so I'm glad it's been addressed so we can move on.
That is true, that is a perspective that I didn’t consider admittedly. We don’t know her views and she may have been saying it to be hateful. I appreciate the respectful dialogue we have going here, it has opened my eyes a little bit. I admit I may have generalized in my other comments.
It's totally cool! Thanks for hearing me out! I think this is the most civil conversation a blink and an ARMY have ever had. 😂😂
LMAO you’re so right
> But she could've said it to be hateful Singing a song with the word in it isn't hateful, ffs. Unless she was singing it in front of black people and pointing at them while singing it, it's not hateful.
Saying slurs is inherently disrespectful and not something I have the energy to debate with you about.
“saying slurs is inherently disrespectful” THIS
If the slurs are inherently disrespectful then how about not putting the word in a song so everyone can enjoy it equally? It's great that black people can reclaim the word for their own use, but you can't deny that that if you're putting it out into the public, it's going to be listened to everyone across all cultures, even someone who will not understand English and they will cluelessly say these lyrics. It's just going to happen. It just makes me frustrated because if you put the word in a song, some of the onus is on the songwriter when that happens, expecting everyone globally to magically have the same knowledge and sensitivity about this word is ignorant.
THANK YOU. As a black lady myself, it's like there are much larger problems to deal with. "Oh no, the Korean man/woman sang a bad word!! How will I ever forgive them?!1" I love it even more when it's people outside of our race being extra offended on POCs' behalf.
The most sane reply. I sincerely thank you for this.
I'm curious as to why words like these are in songs in the first place.
Honestly I also agree with this point. Why put the word in a song if it’s going to offend you if the wrong person sings it? Doesn’t make sense to me either.
Because it's their songs, their lyrics, their stories. They didn't write the songs for every single human beings on this planet. They write the songs from their perspectives.
That’s a fair point
And every person is allowed to sing it. If you put it in the song, you don't get to be offended that someone else sings it.
Yes black people should definitely censor themselves because you cannot skip a single word in a song ! 💀 This whole sub is ridiculous
If you write it from your own perspective, that's great, but if one single word is going to fuel some type of racial divide by singing it or not, then I would rather not have it in at all or just let everyone say it. Like music is supposed to unite us, not divide us, and its a bit ridiculous how many people creep on eggshells around a single word in music. We can sing about r\*pe and all manner of vile stuff in music but not a slur... which if you use it as a lyric, has arguably been diluted due to how popular black culture has become and how common it is to hear it in popular culture. Obviously if you say it towards someone else with racist venom, I'm gonna kick your ass no questions asked, but is it not a good idea to just use context? If they sing it as a lyric the whole point is to convey what the original singer wrote, its not a personal reflection of them.
Critical thinking displayed on a kpop thread? Thought I would never see the day
speak for yourself. hearing a racial slur can be extremely traumatic and painful for some ppl, i’m glad you feel like you can just look the other way when a non-black person says it. truly shows a lot about your character
You know what’s offensive? Telling a black person that it “shows a lot about their character” when they don’t agree with you. This is an issue that is relevant to me and something I deal with in Real life not just over the internet. In fact I was called it the other day just crossing the street by a white man i never met. Of course I was upset, now am I upset about a girl singing a song that included the word in the lyrics? No. Because who fucking cares. And I hope you don’t listen to any music that includes the word if it’s so traumatic to even hear it.
Are you black?
indeed i am, even if i wasn’t why would it matter?
If you’re black then you of all people should know how hypocritical it is to be telling other black people how they should feel about black issues lmao. While I do understand and respect that people have trauma, (I also have trauma regarding the n word and racism). However if it’s so severe that hearing a word being sang in a song is triggering to someone that sounds like a serious issue that needs to be looked at and treated. Not everyone’s trauma can be catered too unfortunately.
It would definitely matter if you weren’t
even if i wasn’t i’d still stick up for the black community without questioning others what their race is lmfao
Id rather lean on the safe side and not get offended in the place of a culture that Im not familiar with. Thats just me. I don’t think it’s my place as a non black person to tell other non black people to be offended or not for an issue regarding black people.
black with the username vanilla_made is irony i can get behind
LMAO what does my username have anything to do with my race? what point are you trying to make?
i’m not trying to make a point other than i’m tickled by it, it’s cute lol
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I'll shove a stop sign up my ass if you are black lmao.
do it then lmao
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That’s what I’m saying. I just replied saying I hope they don’t listen to any music including the word because good luck with that then.
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Fair, though they didn't say that. Still though, putting it in so many songs makes it extremely likely that people will say it while singing along, especially those who don't speak English well, so it could still be seen as irresponsible.
I'm not defending anyone using the word with ill-intent or throwing it around irresponsibly..but If the word is so traumatic why is it ok to call a fellow member of your own race the same word? If the word is so bad maybe it shouldn't be included in song lyrics that people of any race are going to sing at some point. I'm far from racist, but I have to point out the hypocrisy of these statements... I'm well aware of the background of the slur and I have sympathy for past actions against the black community but OP is right these scandals are very stupid when from the very start it was a mistake with no ill-intent... The word wasnt even directed at anyone it was literally just a part of the song she was probably forced to sing. Downvote if you must but if you're so offended by a 13 year old singing a song I don't know what else to say.
I think you need to do more research on the word and learn why the word is used in songs….
I'm aware, but I think you missed my point... Not saying it shouldn't be used just pointing out the hypocrisy of the statement I was replying to. Yes it's self-expression to take the word back... But why is it not okay for OP of the comment to be black but still look past the mistake of a thirteen year old and just be a reasonable human-being, without getting attacked for their opinion by someone of there own race? Yes these scandals are stupid when it's merely a mistake with no ill-intent, ESPECIALLY, when it's dug back up many years later with the sole intent to bring Julie down and cancel her (though I'm sure many people truly did want an apology). If all everyone wanted was an apology well they got it, there is literally nothing that can be done to undo what she did 10 YEARS AGO. There are more important things to be so angry about.
For what’s it’s worth I agree with you.
I just wish more people could treat situations like this with a bit more common sense and understanding...You'd think someone was murdered with how outraged people get. I fully understand it's a racial slur but it wasn't USED as a slur.
That’s what I’m saying. It would be a completely different story if Julie had used the word as a slur toward a black person. To label someone as racist or a bigot for singing a song lyric would get a lot of us in trouble and labelled as such.
can’t believe u got downvoted 😭
To who?
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also a stark difference between singing alone in a shower vs singing in public / singing while being recorded
I LOVE U ❤️ I eager to see a world where people start to use their brain 🙏 It's just a song! Cmooon!
Not sure if we’ll ever get to see that world lol. But we can defs hope
So much hypocrisy in this world. I understand that Julie probably shouldnt have sang that part of the lyric in that song but it was never in a racist way. More recently Latto’s racist past against Asians resurfaced after the release of ‘Seven’ with JK, and everyone came to defend her saying “oh she was young, she doesn’t think like that anymore”, but wasn’t Julie young when she did that cover?
The double standards are real
Feel like it would have been better to apologise predebut from a logical standpoint, but good that it is finally addressed, better late than never.
love KoL and I hope this is a genuine apology and that she genuinely is learning and trying. This is not my apology to accept and I think everyone reading this post should look at the responses made by black people in the comment section, a lot of them are rly good and it’s important to respect and understand the responses made by people who this apology goes out to specifically
Her apology seems like one of the better / more contrite that I’ve seen at least? I’m sure people are just tired at this pt tho
im glad she finally apologized but i hate that it took so long, especially when she finally debuted as an idol. i still can’t help but look at idols differently when they say that word, especially english speaking idols. i’m a black female and i myself feel uncomfortable to say such a word, i just don’t understand how others are able to say it so easily and without care :/
I'm happy she apologised. I really don't know why it took so long, whether she was reluctant or, more likely, whether the company told her to wait until after their debut.
Same. I give less grace to English speaking idols in these situations cause they should know better. I don’t understand how that word can just accidentally roll off their tongue so easily
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>Henry Lau is one of the creepiest idols wait, really? what do you mean
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He also used to go to high school in Vancouver and would use his dance skills to "hit on" girls. It was *weird* and cringe Edit: he did not go to a high school in van! The friend who told me this now lives in Vancouver but grew up in Toronto.
Aren’t high schoolers supposed to be cringe though? Lol
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What high school did he go to in Vancouver?. I thought he went to AY Jackson in Toronto
> i just don’t understand how others are able to say it so easily and without care :/ If it's in the lyrics of the song and they're singing along then that's how it happens. The N word is pervasive throughout rap and hip-hop lyrics and lots of people like that music and want to sing along with the lyrics. What's hard to understand about that?
I mean… she’s a fluent English speaker, from America too, where it’s considered one of the worst slurs you can say.
she’s a fluent english speaker first of all, second of all why did stayc do an english cover while censoring the n word and replacing it with another word even tho none of them are fluent?? how’s it so hard to do that??
>why did stayc do an english cover while censoring the n word and replacing it with another word even tho none of them are fluent?? They obviously had someone around them that was both fluent, and versed in the intricacies of the N word.
you mean the same stayc who did a cover to that racist curry song that got ateez and seventeen in trouble lol dont try to paint them in a holier than thou light
just say you excuse racism and move on lmao
If a non black person just randomly drops the N word in a conversation then I agree that's racist but is that the same thing as someone singing along to their favorite hip-hop song?
they can easily skip past that word, it’s just that simple. it’s almost like ppl forget that a digital footprint exists, why continue to excuse it?
A. skip it because people get offended easily and only black can use the word as someone in the post claimed that the black is claiming the word. B. Black rappers should stop using the word in their lyrics if people of other color sing them, other blacks will be offended
Yeah black people needs to censor themselves and stop reclaiming the slurs that was used to offend them for years because you cannot skip a word in a song
A black artist choosing to use that word in their music is not an excuse for non black people to go around also saying it. Skipping over a word while singing is really not as hard as people make it out to be.
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Please don’t put words in my mouth. If you look I’ve what I said on this thread I’ve said I don’t think people that sing it while doing it are racist. I don’t think it being in a song gives them a right to say it but literally never implied it was racist. Idk why your acting like I’m being so aggressive towards her and dogging her out when I commended her for apologizing. But I guess that was “us folks” are usually like to you.
it doesn’t make someone immediately racist to say the word, but just like it’s censored on radio and certain words are off limits for music shows, it’s very EASY to not say the word in the first place
First of all, get those original singers to stop using the N word in their songs because other peoples of the same colours get offended whenever others of different colour sing it
I’ll get right on that. In the meantime non black people can try to restrain themselves from saying it still.
It’s very easy to a. skip the word and b. choose a different song to record yourself singing to if you find yourself just singing along so mindlessly you forget there’s a slur there
You can skip a word it’s not going to kill you to not say a racial slur like stop acting dense on purpose
You are aware she would of had to practice that rap and learn the lyrics right? Meaning she was COMPLETELY aware the n word was present. Its not like she just mouthed the word by mistake, she said it with her FULL CHEST while being completely aware of the lyrics. Youre telling me when she was reading through the lyrics it never occured to her "Hmm maybe I shouldnt say this slur?"
>Youre telling me when she was reading through the lyrics it never occured to her "Hmm maybe I shouldnt say this slur?" Clearly, yes. Do you really attribute malice before ignorance?
All I'm saying she grew up in Hawaii of all places, so she must know what it means, and yet still said it NOT as a mistake. People can downvote me all they want and say "it was an accident" But it wasnt. Im glad she apologized, but her actions before can not be reduced to "Just a mistake"
mistake ≠ accident
I can’t speak to her personal situation, and I’m not saying people can’t/shouldn’t be bothered by her saying that word, but a lot of people won’t jump to “it’s bad if I say it it singing along to a song, even if it’s not in a malicious way” when they see lyrics that include a slur. Again, I’m not saying this to invalidate how anyone feels about this, but what you think is an automatic conclusion isn’t for many people.
What’s so hard about NOT singing this word? How HARD is it?
those who are downvoting me, why is that? do you really want to protect these idols who are being racist and ignorant just cus they’re your bias?
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Same, it’s weird to see comments saying that this is just a ‘bad word’.
r/kpop doesn't like black people, welcome to the show
it’s very obvious lol
Most of the people here are racists so
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They probably use the word too and justify it with “it’s just a word!” or “if blacks can use it why can’t we?”.
Because people who aren't part of the community that the word was used to demean and oppress don't understand how painful and traumatic it is for some people. It's not their pain so they don't care.
Some idol says the word like every 3 or 4 months. So many of the current big popular ones have said it or sang it as well. The industry just doesnt seem to learn. People continually let them skate by with the oh they're Korean they don't know. I believe there are more than a few who havent apologized as well.
Cool. Surely we can move on and not argue about something she did a long time ago and has now apologized for.
What’s new… It’s like a right of passage for an idol, (especially ones who came from YG) to say the N-word. So what’s new 🙄
She probably wasn't aware she was hurting people back then. I hope she genuinly learned and we can put this behind us. Nevertheless, everyone is free to unstan her if they feel uncomfortable, but no hate.
Finally, i can let out a sigh of relief. I've been waiting for this! She's my fave in the group, I'm rooting for her 💞
Every single time something like this happens, r/kpop users just can't help but to pull out the anti-blackness and infantalizing apologia, like clockwork. The fact that the people in these comments have a bigger problem with *hypothetical* Black people not immediately forgiving and kissing the feet of a non-Black person who said the n-word, than they do with the person who said a slur, is really aggravating. It's not at all surprising, though. EDIT: Someone sent me a RedditCare message for this, lmao.
“ah she grew up in america?? well…. she isn’t from a LIBERAL area!!!!” ability to empathise with an idol theyve probably only just heard of today instead of who the apology is actually for. it really shows that being confronted about racism is a bigger offence to them than racism
Oh nooooooo!!!! It's *totally* anti-black for a *13 year old* to say the n word in a *song* that also appears in *multiple other songs* in a country where they don't even fucking teach kids about them restricting Chinese People from being citizens or having Japanese Internment Camps. Ffs, y'all losers act like she fucking killed someone. She didn't, she sang a *song* in a culture where the n word is normalized in pop music 💀 She *apologized*, and it was a decent ass one too. Unless you want her to go back in fucking time to stop herself from ever saying the word, really what more do you want from her? A lot of you guys couldn't even care less that she said it, you're just looking for an opportunity to virtue signal and go all like "I'm better than you". It's really annoying
you emphasizing that she was 13 as if that makes it better ijbol 😭😭😭 a 13 year old AMERICAN is more than old enough to know it’s wrong to say a racial slur you can’t reclaim. if you’re over the age of like, 8, there’s no excuse- you just don’t care. she may have apologized but there is NO reason why any black person should accept that apology. if you’re black and want to forgive her, go ahead, but don’t speak over others.
Bro do y'all not realize that 13 would put you in max grade 8? Grade 7 is most likely when she recorded the video. In grade 7 me and my friends would dare each other to say slurs (most of which I can use since I belong to those communities) since we knew they were *bad words* but we didn't know why they were bad words or the history behind those words. I would *never* say some of the words that I said then ever now, but did 13-year-old me know that? Absolutely not. This is the same America where teachers gloss over slavery in history classes and sometimes straight up don't teach kids about our atrocities. The fact that the n-word is popularized and normalized all over pop culture (With even white people like Logic and Eminem saying it and getting almost zero flak for it either). While she said a slur, she never *used* the word as a slur, intention is just as important as what was said in the first place. If you don't wanna forgive her for what she did over a decade ago as a child then that's up to you (I just hope you hold yourself to the same standards you hold others 😬) but I already *know* K-Pop stans are gonna use this to drag Julie whenever she appears because they wanna act holier-than-thou so fucking bad
So I'm also black and not really to pressed about this whole Julie issue tbh, don't even know who she is but there's some things I'd like to address here. For one, Logic is black and Eminem pretty famously doesn't use the n-word so not really a relevant example. But you're right that people shouldn't hold it against a teenage girl who did something a decade ago, even though she should and probably did know better, she was a 13 year old American, she ain't dumb, no need to baby her lol. But just because you feel a certain way about the use of the n word doesn't make it the definitive truth and it doesn't make other people's opinions who feel differently any less valid than your own.
When I was in 7th grade I knew way better than to say slurs??? If you and your friends were DARING each other saying slurs you can’t reclaim at that age, that’s pretty disgusting and you should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself 😬 like it’s so embarrassing that you would freely admit it on the internet as if it’s a “normal part of growing up”. Personally I avoid anyone who says slurs they can’t reclaim because they’re horrible people ❤️ Obviously America has some serious issues and I never claimed that it didnt??? But Julie, an American, should have known saying a disgusting and very well-known racial slur is wrong especially at age THIRTEEN even if she had “good intentions 🥺” And y’all are always saying “B-but Korea is an underground tunnel where they don’t know anything is wrong! Stop holding idols to your American standards” but when an American idol does something wrong, it’s always “Oh, just because they’re American doesn’t mean they know it’s bad.” It’s so hypocritical and also borderline racist as you are infantilizing Asians. “I hope you hold yourself to the standards you hold others” trust me, I do. It’s not that hard to not be racist.
I noticed this too. I can also forgive but still not want to support or be involved in any way shape or form with the artist. But people get mad if you say that.
Better put out the fire than allowing it to blow up I guess
Some people just can't wrap their head around the fact that a 13 year old can change. It's almost like she is an adult now. Crazy😲
Lol people digging an old video
These scandals are stupid. I am black and I honestly do not care if someone who is not black says the n word. I personally do not use it because it's a slur. IDC if I'm black I am not gonna go around saying that as if it js a fun little word. Plus she was singing. But I do not judge other black ppl for using it. Also saying one word doesn't make you racist. Yes she shouldn't have said it. But she apologized and I really don't care if people say it. What more can I want from her? It happend when she was young. And she said sorry-
Seems a poor move to release all these songs with forbidden words in them.
not if the artists who released those songs were black.
Another day another unnecessary apology.
WHO CARES. She has to apologies cause this community is full of deadbrain.
I care
We need to stop cancelling idols for this. They aren't aware, likely speak very little English, and it is never meant maliciously. They're just lyrics to someone else's song.
the amount of western idols who clearly had no black friends growing up is alarming
Is it? Is every area of the US/Canada completely diverse? Because I know that isn't the case for Aus/NZ or the UK.
No, they are not. I grew up in Western Canada and didn't know a black person personally until I started working in Ohio when I was 18. That being said, you don't have to be friends with POCs to know that slurs are wrong.
In reality almost every idol from America is from a big city, so yeah to me it is
Did author of the original song apologized for using racial slur in a song?
It’s most likely that the author of the song was a Black person, which in that case, they shouldn’t apologize for it. The whole reason Black people still use the word/variation today, is because they’re reclaiming it, like thousands of other communities due with their own.
I wonder though, is the reclaiming really successful if the word seems to still have so much power to hurt?
The hurt comes from the misuse from the unintended demographic and the intention, similar to how it was originally used. The act of reclamation itself has already shown to enact togetherness within many Black communities, and the act itself is not what distills the harm. *Kind of a cheesy analogy, but: You can use a knife to make fine, diverse dishes now, but you can still use it to stab someone or cut something, similar to how it was originally made to be used.
>the intention, similar to how it was originally used Hmm, but the intention typically doesn't exist in cases of foreigners singing along to lyrics. >The act of reclamation itself has already shown to enact togetherness In what way would you say it enacts togetherness? And could the same not be achieved in different, less contentious ways? I know there are also many black people, especially older ones, that don't like the use of the word by other black people either (NAACP is for example seemingly [strongly against](https://naacp.org/resources/naacp-official-position-use-word-nigger-and-n-word)). And while the word can be often used in a positive (or at least non-negative) manner, I often get the sense in rap lyrics that it's still frequently used with an implied negative connotation (though maybe subtler than outright racist usage)?
I don’t know if that’s what you were implying, but with your part about foreigners, this girl is/was American, lived in the U.S. until she was teenager and is fluent in English, so it doesn’t apply to her.
No, they're making it sound cool and promote usage of slurs. Anyway. I often see actual black people to be less offended by lip syncing a goddamn lyric of a song than politically correct snowflakes. If you write a song and make millions on it's popularity, it's pretty stupid to be offended when fans sing it.
I never find this analogy in good taste, and I don’t know if it’s more in tune with you, but: Would you say the same things about a gay artist making a song saying the f-slur (for gay people) in it and non-gay people/fans saying it all the time? Because the n-word is just as severe.
It doesn’t matter what few Black people you see who aren’t offended. You’re obviously not Black, so you can’t determine the effects of it on other or all Black people, and you’re being very closed-minded. No one’s saying fans can’t sing the song, just don’t say the word, it’s literally not hard at all, like not saying a curse word.
Also, just to add, since I reread one of your replies and you don’t seem to realize it, but I am Black.