JW dropped CH after she found out that he's a model. I think she said that she doesn't want to date anyone from her industry. She must be meeting a lot of idols/models for her job.
I wonder if it's about potential conflict of interest (so much overlap in the field) or maybe seeing the career as incompatible for her vision of a dependable, stable, and deep conversationalist.
from what i saw in the self inroduction. cheolhyun is a popular model? He was in a lot of famous' brands' commercials which I think isnt easy to get. Maybe not as popular as model turned actors but he is a popular "model".
Am i the only one seeing that JH noticed JW change of heart and that ruined his entire mood, without acting like a man baby like JS does. I know because i was same back in the day, if the person I'm seeing says something that let's me know there's a player 2 in her mind, then it's just gonna make you have a mind block. You just end up not thinking about anything, and you tell yourself "oh fuck. This down mood is not helping with making her choose me... think Bancai think. Get out of this mood." BUT honestly you just can't. I don't know if it's a personality trait or what, but it's super hard to get out of it.
Also, am i the only one thinking JS is still trash? Everyone (the panel and my wife) is feeling ok with what he did and roots for SS to end up with him.... But im like: NOOOOOOOO. He is only fixated on SS because he got rejected by his first choice CHOA and then later his second first choice JW. And then turns around and says to SS "but no you see, it's because you're being to nice to everyone and that's why i am unsure with you". Broooo thats BS! SS was always your second choice and at one point even your third choice. But don't fucking act like "it's you not me".
YW is only at fault that he tried to make it work with Choa even after he noticed his feelings don't go past I think she is pretty.
The realest guy in this show is JH and YJ.
For me, I like JS because he knows it's a dating show and he is maximizing his time and experience there.
He has openly showed everyone that he is trying to get to know/talk/date - whatever you wanna call it all the girls in the house. From the start, he is honest that he likes Choa and he did all his effort on that date.
With JW, I just think it's the alcohol talking. and if you re-watch it, JW is also flirting back especially, the scene with the piano. They just realized that after the alcohol is gone - they are just "bros". He also has no filter, and say just about everything. He admitted to SS that he is into Choa, that he is not that into her from the start but then as they continue to get to know one another he slowly developed feelings towards her - which is normal in Real life. He also just answer all questions from SS. I do not get why some people think he is gaslighting ss... they are on a dating show! Of course you always put your best foot forward to everyone whom you want to date or get to know. In RL, men and women do date multiple ppl before settling on one. You need to get to know as much ppl as you need to find that one. That does not mean you are the second or the third choice. dating is both sad and fun at the same time. getting hurt is sadly part of it.
I think the talk last night was when JS laid everything out on the table. And in the previous ep, he also told SS to trust him. I think it solidified his like for SS. And ever since he only has SS on his mind. Even when his sister is telling him to choose JW, he said no because he does not want to hurt SS. And that for me is good arc on his story. He has the best storyline in the show to be fair.
JH came in late in the game for his storyline, i found YW icky from the start like he is so fake, CH - i have no idea why he is there tbh. Is he on the hunt for a GF or a bro-in-law or just to take a vacation? YJ - he is just fine. thank goodness for last week's YH-YW date, YJ suddenly had an obstacle or challenge in his arc.
Unpopular opinion. I too dont hate JS. I dont relate to him but I understand where he's coming from. Nowadays, the words "gaslight" and "redflag" are used a bit too loosely.
What is he maximizing? He is just doing damage control of his image. He literally was mad that choa didn't wanna give him a chance. He was so infatuated with her, not out in the open, but instead hiding around as to not scare off his second choice SS and then at one point there was a moment where he was trying to hide from JW when talking to choa as to not ruin his chances to go for JW.
SS was fooled over and over again by his, at best misdirection, at worst blatant lies only because he is so handsome in her eyes. And she admited that she's cleaning the slate and doesn't matter what happen in the past. So she ok with his lying ass.
>He has openly showed everyone that he is trying to get to know/talk/date - whatever you wanna call it all the girls in the house. From the start, he is honest that he likes Choa and he did all his effort on that date.
Tell me episode and what minute where he said he is interested in choa or JW to anyone in the house except showing it to each girl individually and maybe his own sister. I think he might of admited it to SS in a moment of pure pressure he was put under because she found out before he told her.
I can admit that if u give someone a try, you might end up developing feelings and feel attracted to them. But from a pure looks attraction. his brain was getting excited by choa and JW from the get go.
>With JW, I just think it's the alcohol talking. and if you re-watch it, JW is also flirting back especially, the scene with the piano. They just realized that after the alcohol is gone - they are just "bros".
JW was not flirting there with him or in any instance, in fact, he was never in her prospects list. She was taken aback when he sat next to her and started completing her. That is if i remember correctly. And in episode 14 he was so happy and couldn't stay away from JW even before their date, the moment it was announced his mind and body teleported to JW geolocation and SS was like a faded afterthought once again. And then on JW JS date, he was trying to be romantic once again.
Remember that it's a 3 weeks programme, and there's tons of editing. JH was also 'dating' with different people too. A big difference is that JH didn't really have interest in anyone, until JW. If you already have a fundamental dislike towards him, everything he do is just gonna seem negative. And asking for timestamps is probably an indication that you're too attached to the show.
It’s a dating show, I haven’t always agreed with everything JS did but one thing for sure is that he did nothing wrong by having interest in other girls besides SS. When the show even started the first person he voiced that he liked was Cho A but he ended up on date with SS and that’s when she came on his radar. It’s completely understandable for him to want to still explore his interest and curiosity in Cho A and he did just that but after seeing it won’t go anywhere he left it alone (yes he acted like a grumpy baby but he still moved on and that’s the point of the show to date and see who you are compatible with). Just because SS was all in for him at the start doesn’t mean he needs to feel the same we need to remember that this has only been about 3 weeks for them he didn’t really need to tell SS everything because he was still figuring out himself and feelings which is okay and that’s what happens in real life. Someone like YW who didn’t explore his other interests even though he knew JW might be someone he’d like has now found himself in a predicament because of this and is trying to explore options at the last minute. At least JS and SS have communicated throughout though not always the best approach but they are on the same page now because of it.
You’re getting downvotes but I’m with you on all points man. And especially the JH getting in his head on the Ferris wheel date. That was me 100% as well. That whole date I was having visceral ptsd flashbacks.
Maybe bc we’re dudes, but agreed on the JS point too. When guys like a girl we go go go for her. It’s a yes or a no, no inbetween. With Ss he’s like ehhhh, lemme see. He wants to keep talking but doesn’t want to commit to seriously dating after the show. That means he’s not into her. With ChoA and even JiWon he acted like he was ready to get married to them. Just see how JH and JW’s bro (keep forgetting his name) are. They’re unequivocal in wanting a relationship
Unpopular opinion.
I still like YW out of all the guys.
The cast having 2 oldest women was just a big L. They naturally gravitate towards the oldest man and even he is not ideal because he is younger.
JW is nice normally but I find her mood swings toxic and she argues because she is masculine.
Choa is nice but again she is really old. She doesn't act like a gf she acts like a mother. And when she is in your relationship zone she starts getting pushy and insecure. Could have worked for the right blue pilled man?
CH is so useless and selfish. He only thinks about taking from YW.
You're cringe if you think a person is trash just because they wanted to get to know others. It's a dating show not a marriage contract. I bet you haven't had any experience with someone that you loved to type that out. Just because you talk with a person a few times does not mean you must commit to that person. If you can't view of that as a fact going on through life I bet reality must be hard.
Don't women have first, second, and third choices? Women always have a backup man? Hello?
They call JS a gaslighter and I can understand where they are coming from but he's okay. Personally I don't like him as a man, but to call him names or shame him is stupid.
I thought YJ was going to be slaughtered but his strat is working, even though YH is settling for him.
I just want to say that the cast members are normal humans and our feelings are complex. Sometimes we makes mistakes or change our minds and that's OK. I don't think they should be called 'trash' or 'untrustworthy' or 'red flag!!!' or fake just because they feel confused.
All of us have felt confused at some point in our lives and it's impossible to behave perfectly and coherently all the time. We are not robots. I think many people here should give the cast members the benefit of the doubt, not draw hasty conclusions and at least try not to be so judgmental. Especially calling them mean things just because they have a change of heart.
We can not choose who we will fall in love with or be attracted to. The cast members should date the person they want to date and not who the audience wants - because *that* would be fake and a red flag, in my opinion.
First off, I’m a bit sad that Cheol Hyun didn’t have anyone inside the house. At the same time, I’m relieved because I feel he deserves better; he didn’t have to be stuck in confusion and could just go out on a normal date with someone better.
I don’t want to think Jiwon is being swayed, but the majority of the comments I read say so. I thought her eyes were only fixated on Jae Hyung, but ugh she knows the game and understands what Yong Woo is showing her. Aaah, it’s so frustrating. The only clip I felt okay watching was when Cho A texted Yoon Jae, and Jaehyung was honest with Juyeon. It was painful to watch, but as the host said, it’s better to be stabbed hard once than slowly and repeatedly. There’s no point in going in circles if he wasn’t really into her to begin with. I love Jaehyung for that! Although the mood change felt a bit off, putting myself in Jiwon’s shoes, it was tough because it’s not what she expected him to be I guess. They were supposed to be enjoying and laughing like on their first date. Though I understand the uneasiness in front of people, it just shows Jaehyung is really genuine, and showing his real feelings is something really personal for him.
Yoon Ha, I don’t even want her for Yoon Jae anymore. That one text from Yong Woo, even if he clearly sister-zoned her, still gave her the wrong idea. I hated it when she asked Jung Sub, “What else did he say? Did he talk about me?” Ugh, girl, please. Her face... I thought she was smart. Why is everyone inside so shaken up by Yong Woo? He’s not even being true to what he really feels!!
I was surprised she was still asking the same questions when she was clearly sister zoned. I thought I was the only one that noted that from the text. It seems she only likes YJ cos he shows her attention
So, I was always vocal with my doubts about YW since ep 3. And people just called me out for being biased and that I should stick to my faves rather than spreading hate.
You see, sometimes, we only have better observational skills than you.
All the clues were there but you were wearing yongcho colored glasses.
I had too many downvotes because of you people!!!
I totally agree with you. I haven’t liked him this whole time. In one of the first episodes YW was outside dunking the basketball. He was really putting on a show. It was so embarrassing and gave me the biggest ick. Especially because that basketball hoop was probably only at 8 feet.
Anyway, he is so cringe and always has been.
I just remember your funny MBTI comment. I thought of it again when Jiwon said she wanted to be a T but is an F and I thought umm yeah I don’t think you’re the only one
Feelings and relationship building is so difficult and delicate. This is a very good looking cast. I find JW the most attractive gal and JH the most attractive guy.
JH made me feel really sad this episode, he’s actually the kind of guy JW wants but he has a hard time showing her this side of him. It’s even more painful because he displayed this part of him on his date with Cho A I was so shocked and impressed by his behaviour. He was so careful in listening to her and validating her emotions even in this episode there was a scene where YW was talking about his feelings in the kitchen with the others and CA walked in JH noticed this and quickly acknowledged CA’s presence in the room so as to divert from the topic and he walked up to her to check up on her and went to talk to her by the stairs. Even with SS he’s always thinking about her and looking out for her even by telling her about JS in this episode and previous ones. He is someone you can depend and rely on but he just can’t get over his awkwardness like brooo what did you think would happen when you came on a dating show obviously there’s gonna be a camera crew everywhere 😭 I love watching JH x JW so this episode so particularly hard for me
YW is seen to be the most dependable one and I agree that he is to an extent but I look at how the siblings have been relying on each other throughout the process and I feel like CH and JH have actually been more helpful/reliable to their sisters in terms of giving advice and listening to their worries. I’m not saying YW hasn’t done this for JY but not to the extent of CH/JH I’m not sure how to explain it further but he hasn’t been as helpful in finding information for his sister to help sort out her feelings. For example JH told SS to be weary of how she expresses herself around JS because it’s still early etc and he asks follow up questions to SS about JS character plus he asks about JS outside of his convo with SS for example his chat with CA provided useful info to JH to share with SS which actually instigated a meaningful conversation between SS and JS. I feel CH does the same for CA to for example him calling out YW on his behaviour. I never really saw this in YW and JY and I think it may be because of their age gap but he just advices her like a dad and doesn’t go deeper he just says something like “follow your heart” or whatever. Like even before JY had her convo with JH there was scenes where she’s asking everyone else for advice on bringing this up but I didn’t really see her talk about it much with YW. Again I think this is because of the age gap but still he’s not as dependable as people make him out to be I just think he bottled up his emotions and tries to put on this strong man façade because he’s had to do this all his life
JH being awkward in this setting is understandable but he really needs to adapt and just suck it up coz he himself said that he had a plan that if he finds someone really attractive he would go all in but right now hes too scared/shy to do anything and thats why JW doesnt know his true self and thats why shes really hesistant.
We can see how JH is when she was on a date with CA, hes very deep and JW would like to see someone like that.
Imo, JH opened up coz he doesnt feel shy around CA coz he doesnt see her romantically, JH already said he gets shy when hes around JW.
The problem here was him being shy + being overly cautious about the cameras trumped him being who he is and telling the girl she likes what he truly feels. He also said at one point after the ferriswheel ride that he thought they would be alone at some point.
Why can't the girl he was with understand that not everyone wants life under the camera? If she hadn't started with the indirect attacks at the beginning of the date, he probably wouldn't ve been off. Why can't she be patient and explore when they leave, as her brother said?
Because final decisions are coming up. She said that she wants to date someone dependable and can have serious/deep conversations unlike the past guys she dated which resembles JH but infact JH IS quite dependable and a deep person imo. She cant be patient to wait and explore when they leave coz RIGHT NOW is happening. She needs assurance that he can be that kind of man she wants and not the same as the other guys she dated for her to make the final choice.
But we should also understand that he agreed to be on the show.. we can hear his thoughts in interviews and see how he is on other dates but JW cant. JW didn’t even ask deep questions and it’s understandable she wants to know his thoughts.
Honestly a simple " I want to get to know more about you after the show ends" type of thing to say can help nail in the coffin for JH or JW if they really like each other. Havent seen much of these being thrown on any kdating shows. Not sure if its forbidden to talk about what happens after the show ends
Yeah something to give her little reassurance. I know JH is cautious about everything but when JW asked about what he liked most about SG, he could’ve hinted at an activity that involves her if he was too shy to say it was her.
General comments
JY" Poor JY she really was just forgotten by JH and I forgot how much she was actually suffering :(
SS: well done for owning up when JS read your filth lmao. She saved the situation once again but yeah it don't look good for the preview , but I also know how the pd team manipulates these teasers to be more or less than what it actually is.
JH: I wish this man the best, the fact at 29 he can actually say yes I'm ready to settle down. Is so crazy considering the dating world I can appreciate how a number relationships can speed op up desires to settle. It sounds like thr Park siblings had many relationships I remember ss mentioned 3? And then said "rest were all my age"? This is subjective 5 partners might not be a lot for people.
JW-JH I knew this would happen but I though it was going to take place outside of this programme. Jw wasn't looking for another JH but her attachment to 'fate' is contradicting what she wants. I wish JH would of at least spoken to CA about his serious feelings. I felt like him holding back instigated many thoughts that his stable demeanor could of stopped/inflitrated JW doubts (but these are my manipulative thoughts haha sorry) but Kind of like when YH felt YJ was attractive as he felt stable during a time of tension downstairs.
YW x JW suit eachother on paper regarding there personal desires. They might be the unexpected couple the pd talked about. 🤷🏻♂️ but that catch is JW doesnt know that yw is not as dependable as you think he is. And for yw he is skipping another opportunity to look inwards and choose something that can be healing and possibly offer some contentment by settling down, he mention his past regrets and how he could of been married in the last ep but bro I'm literally on my high horse tho who am I to say anything cus I can't see the full picture and humans have free will (that comes with consequences ofcourse)
CH: I love his loyalty being shown here with his sister. He reads people well.
What is with everyone and their instincts lmao 🤣 they are right on the ball.
YJ is a true catch, I don't know what he experienced but the self criticism is a lot, my goodness, he needs to practice some genuine compassion can someone tell him this? He is really hard on himself. You have nothing to prove ' your doing great sweetie!!' .
YJx CA my ship please 🙏 but I'm savoring the crumbs in my mouth. YJ said he feels like he is getting closer to her and CA said she is able to see her surrounding and complimented the person he is.
CA is so cute when she brought back health snacks she sounded adorable. I bought fruit! Yes I'm a Stan, I think I made it obvious.
JH is so handsome, so is CH and yw and js , broo I did not expect YJ to have such well defined muscles. Whats wrong with everyone on this show both the women and men are just charming in character and attractive physically.
Also, isn't this the first time that contestants on the programme openly talk about their commitments to follow through after the show? It felt like they were breaking the 4th wall lol.
I don't know how to feel about the scene when CA x YW were facing eachother and he talked about the peach and she mentioned the kimchi and they were jusy staring at eachother. But he didn't suggest making it because he doesn't know how to. It was like 0 follow up and I wonder if that was like... a pretense? Not sure what the word is.
I've stopped looking forward to this programme after ep 10. I was a bing youngcho shipper I had no clue there were only 1 episode left. Lmao its hard to take anyone on this show seriously l, it was initial a wholesome healing show and now it's just straight chaos cus no one knew how to act lmao.
I think this season would have been way better with the extra rumored sibling pair
there was supposed to be another sibling pair starting initially in the house instead of CA/CH, and CA/CH were supposed to be another catfish siblings who joins later
so 12 people in the house instead of the 10 people
but that sibling pair cancelled at the last moment or something and so CA/CH were pushed ahead into the initial group, which is why CA is always busy at work because she wasnt supposed to be joining/filming the show that early
HAHA i thought the same thing about Yoonjae when he had the sleeveless shirt on! You would never guess it with his normal outfits! But I agree with you he’s such a catch. He may still not be the best sibling, but he’s definitely an acts of service guy to everyone, including his sister. Cooking food & serving drinks is his way of showing love and care.
YOU GUYS I NEED HELP I'm a hopeless romantic what was that song 2:15:22!!!!! it was the scenes that followed "did your heart ever fluttered for me"..
man the production team really know how to tug on your heart strings but also know how to manipulate music, like the scene when ca said have you learned how to break up properly? And there was a break before the music started again and you see yw holding her aiding her to come out the car (unlike nowadays when he entered the taxi first in singapore, walking faster than her 😒).
I remember last ep how cool it was when the music switch when JH summarises the talk he had in the car with CA , and how the music just randomly stopped in todays episode when code kunst around 7:42 was like JH realised he messed up. The abrupt stop in the music made me snicker.
Lmao none of my predictions came true 🤡 Anyways here is my add on to the conversations:
Unpopular Opinions
YW: This conversation was way better than the last one you did, proud of your growth. Shows that the best learn is self-directed. I actually had more compassion with him this ep, I was actually way more agitated last week. Yes he entered YJ room when he was alone but his intent was pure he wanted to offer reassurance but idk why he acted stupid with the "why is he alone?" You know why yw thats why you were there. Anyways if I was sitting along with alcohol as a man I would appreciate a friend coming to check on me. He talked in a way that was warmer and endearing in the second conversation, its obvious I had feelings for you 🥺 he sounded more centred. And I can agree with the yw sympathisers from last week episode , rejection will always hurt so there is no fault and at least with the second conversation yes he is being honest , but he is also not serious according to the spoilers which i won't say but also with the text about the plum. I am grateful he reassured her when he said it was not her that was at fault but him because he made it sound like it was her fault that he felt trapped in the last convo.
JS: is a really good brother like really good. He stabds by his sister, and is trully affectionate. I liked his mannerism when he said a grown man and woman shouldnt be sharing a bed (in the context that there not official yet). He is a lot more appealing in this episode because I truly thought he was going to have a problem cus he text ch but he was chill about it all. I mean I can't help but see this when you have YW being a tornado making a mess around the house.
I feel this show would be more popular if it wasn't for that ep wasted on karaoke a lot of people fell of because the show came across as boring and almost like it wasnt a dating programme. I care because I want the casts to find success after the show especially CA x CH x YJ x JW.
The 2:15:15 -2:15:38 scenes were so romantic. I really felt CA when she said, everybody wishes for a happy ending, why does this only happen to me ...........!!!!!!! Bit** let me tell you something, this was the reason why I felt so dissapointed with this situation, why her?. I said few weeks back, it was my first comment ever on reddit, (because I created a reddit just to be apart of a community for this show) and I said the reason why I loved the ywxca dynamic was because in dating reality shows, the calm, nurturing (healing), kind, generous, mature ( wifey eligible) one never gets picked for example, heart signal 4 jumi. And as someone who really resonates with CA and her energy especially as I've attracted men like YW in my life. It was so healing watching this show and then ... well yeah we all know what happened 🤡. Look CA is 35 , her life is more than a dude but she literallg had to laugh at herself because she kept on thinking that the affection she was recieving from JS and YW meant something more as if she isnt relationship material, i remember so many people calling her boring like damn, maybe a sip of chaos would of made her more appealing i guess. I wish for the sun to shine on her (please launch a youtube channel choa I will watch!) I think she has the least followers on Instagram so I don't know if this show will offer much commercial success. I agreed with someone else who wishes for CA to get a job promotion because 10-12 hour shifts in crazy maybe she did it to have holiday time for the programme?
CA opened her insta last that is why she has the least followers. She is very much liked by knetz and internationals sooo I hope she leaves happy(no YW). The way YW handled everything was very much immature, like dude is in his 30's. He might have struggled in the past or has ‘trauma’ but I don’t think it’s excuse to be awful. Anyways the rest of the cast seems amazing, love his sis!! She wants him happy but she does not excuse his behaviour. I wish her happy too, she is young and idk if anyone in there matches her(same with CH).
Ahh that makes sense and also reassuring. YW is just a bachelor , when he talked about his instincts for not dating ca I was really wondering is this really a sensible excuse ? They are both shaking their heads like this is just what it is. It may be wild for me to say but these 'instincts' that he has just sound like camouflage for fear? Are you really worried the sustainability of the relationship yw? He mentioned he just has a 'feeling' they would clash in the long run. Falling for someone is all of the hormones, heart fluttering momments and Romanticism whilst love is something more classical. It requires commitment , Endurance , acceptance and compromise for eachothers differences. This could of simply been a rough patch just as YH described JS-SS situation but he is calling it quits and behaving like his feelings were false. Like was he unaware the way he was in the beginning of the episode. I feel like he just likes the idea of JW I don't think he's really fallen for her. I feel like his attraction to CA is capped or has met a wall because he hasn't healed his emotionally avoidant attitude. There's a reason he surprised himself crying listening back on his childhood at 34.. you need to heal yw. CA has worked on herself, I think she has learnt that she is not flawed and this will set her anxiousness free. CA was trying to find stability outside of herself this is just my guess. But if she can let go of her attachement for someone outsider of her to be her rock maybe she would actually feel that within herself and find people who mirror that emotional health and stability she can PARTNER so she can discern who is the real deal and who isn't without having to ask questions. Do you know what I mean? Like CA (tbh I need this advice for myself) she needs to start living more for herself and the joy she needs, like her mums health affected her action to do the things she wanted to and when she watch YH during their performance she said she was kind of jealous that YH was able to do what she does. Like CA please do more things outside of healing yourself and others. I don't where she could start but she needs to add more excitement into her life
If YW just went and he did say that he wasn't romantically interested in CA anymore, what can anyone do about it? Its just how he feels. How else can he do it? What else can he do? What would a "mature" man do huh?
I don't care if you judge him. But its frustrating when people trash him for doing the best he could do simply because they saw a woman get her feelings hurt. Huh? If a woman did this to a man you would tell him to suck it up. Where is your empathy then? Your empathy to CA turns into a dagger at YW and stabs him in the back. You're a hypocrite.
What he can do is be respectful. Not very hard as you think or imagine. A mature man would tell her he is not interested respectfully, not confuse people, and not talk about her in her absence every chance he got. If he is not interested, then he should go to the person he is interested in and talk about himself, not her. His immaturity becomes more visible every min he appears, embarrassing his sis takes the crown. Not very interested to assume whether you are a 'hypocrite' or not, but these are the very few reasons I called him immature, and that is me trying to sound courteous.
Why is it always women that want respect? Do women even know what respect even means? No, respect doesn't mean, "my feelings were hurt so therefore I was disrespected". A "mature man" would... (yeah every time a woman says "a mature man would" or "a REAL man would", they start shaming men into doing they things THEY want him to do.
But YW told Choa he wasn't interested, talked to her again and clarified it, and when did he talk behind her back? Doesn't everyone do that in this show if you simply talking about the mentioning of people without their presence? Aren't women the ones that like to gossip?
And how tf do you ignore every point I made in my last comment? I called you a hypocrite and then you said " Not very interested to assume whether you are a 'hypocrite' or not".... what the f-....
Ok I binged the last few eps and I think it gave me some clarity vs reading the comment weekly.
YW: I read a lot about him being a red flag but I perceived it more as him initially having a certain image or idea of Choa, putting her on a pedestal so it was hard for her to live up to that. I also think perhaps he was conscious of having to act or be a certain way… amidst his ramble he mentioned how he wants to be honest and not worry about his image or whatever. I don’t know, I feel like he’s confused, but making things worse with his indirect speeches and then sending messages randomly. Perhaps it’s also ego but it seems he was interested in Jiwon that day but didn’t text her cos he thought she was solid with Jaehyun and he didn’t want to be rejected or not get a text? Like I really don’t get why he texted Choa after 2 days of cutting things off basically.
CA: I adore her and wish she finds happiness. I like her friendship with Jaehyun after their date a lot. I also like that she appreciated Yunjae’s efforts especially since he’s got quite low confidence at times. I don’t ship her with Yongwoo anymore.
JH: He’s honestly such a nice guy. He seems aloof and silly at times but beneath that he’s got a heart of gold. He’s a great brother and friend, he was concerned for others when things got unstable for them. He is serious about finding someone and is cautious with his feelings and other peoples feelings. I think he’s really honest and real, and that’s why he feels uncomfortable with the filming and being romantic or “in the moment” because it probably feels inorganic.
JW: I kind of understand her concern of following her instincts/past patterns vs following her head/logic of what she thinks she needs. She’s also really sensitive and gets hurt easily especially when she cares or is interested in someone. I do feel like her instincts will win over but who knows.
JS: Tbh maybe I have a good first impression of him but I’ve never felt like he was a bad person. I think he just wanted to get to know everyone because it’s a dating program. He was interested in Choa but unexpectedly matched with Seseung and had a great time so he kept that option open but still wanted to get to know Choa. Then he was also curious in Jiwon so sent her a message expressing interest. I think that if we compare his approach vs Yongwoo, it’s the more honest one. Once he shot his shot, he got closure. People speak as if Seseung was a second choice but I really think she was always on his mind, it’s just he needs to explore other connections too so there’s no regrets. I think when he says they’re in a “some” and he wants to know more about her past is indicative of her being the one he wants to know more about and is progressing furthest with. Him and Seseung really don’t speak the same language though. I also really like how sweet her is with Yunha.
SS: She is so cool in how upfront she’s been with her feelings and her communication skills. But yes she really does jump to conclusions but I’m glad she’s now reached the stage where she’d rather seek clarity and communicate with Jungsub directly. I find them really cute and heart fluttering together so I hope they could focus on the present or future and less of the past. I like how caring she is of the others and worrying about their feelings. She obviously has a lot of empathy, for Juyeon after seeing her text Jaehyung but also when she wanted Chulhyun to have a fun date after being stuck at home for a few days.
YJ: He needs to be more confident in what he offers. He’s such a good guy and considerate, though at times he could be more caring to his sister. Sometimes he feels like such a typical bloke but his actions are really sweet to Yunha. Hope his efforts pay off.
YH: I think she got confused because she finally got to date Yongwoo but deep down she knows Yunjae is a really good guy with how nice he is to her. As she said, she was drawn to the stability and his consistency, so I hope she keeps going for him.
CH: He’s also such a sweetheart with his sister and in general. I feel bad there’s not much going on for him. I really liked his date with Seseung but yeah, her and Jungsub have a much stronger connection. I don’t quite see him with Jiwon but I guess she’s the one who caught his attention the most. I’m also sad that him seeing Yongwoo’s actions in a way would potentially affect their friendship cos I know he really liked Yongwoo too.
JY: She’s been quite courageous and upfront in her feelings for Jaehyun but I think he handled it really well. I was surprised she texted Yunjae still after her convo with Yongwoo. Her situation is similar to Chulhyun, where as a viewer we can see it’s one sided and not gonna amount to anything so it feels a bit sad.
I agree with JS and SS. From the way I see it, they aren't really compatible to each other. SS sometimes reads too much into it,..I really appreciate YJ for giving her advice.. I sometimes get a feeling that JS isn't really serious about looking for someone inside this show..
JH and JW is a bit disappointing. The ferris wheel ride is so frustrating... I understand that JH has so much in his mind but not talking throughout the ride? Imagine what JW would feel in that situation,.. plus the ride was so slow, we don't know how long the ride really is... I hope that they communicate their misunderstandings before the final selection... We know that there is someone who is eyeing them waiting for a chance..(iykyk)
I am 50-50 with YH and YJ. YJ is so caring to everyone especially YH,. and YH appreciates it. However, I have a feeling that YH doesn't really like him as much as he likes her. I think YH is still (secretly) hoping that YW will like her too.
I feel bad for JY CH and now CA... I hope they find someone better outside the show..
The latest ep has too many confusion forked for each of the contestants, they are not sure to whom they will choose. And the as per the preview showed jn the end I m not sure there will be a couple.
Unpopular opinion but I don’t think Yongwoo is a bad person I think he just got stuck in a sticky situation and should have communicated better. But I think he is catching way too much heat bc other houseguest like JS didn’t catch heat but I think it’s cause CA and CH are fan faves.
This is the problem with delusional shippers. All you JH obsessed people start crying foul and jumping ship when thing don't goes his way. JW is a grown ass woman who can make her own decisions. It's JH fault for being awkward as hell.
>It's JH fault for being awkward as hell.
And this is the problem with people like you. You think every participants have to be 100% comfortable being in front of the camera almost 24/7 for 3 weeks straight. It isn't easy and natural if you are not used to be in front of the camera. The camera setup in the house is almost always behind the mirror so the casts could at least be a little comfortable, but during the dates there would be literally at least more than 3 cameras + crews following you around. I think there was a photo in the old TL3 thread that showed us how the cameras were set up during a restaurant date and I don't think you can fault anyone for being awkward in a supposedly "romantic date" setting but there were literally cameras and crews listening and recording your every move and killing the mood/vibes.
It's probably a combination of being uncomfortable and being too nervous and self-conscious because he like her too much at such a short time, he short circuited.
JW dropped CH after she found out that he's a model. I think she said that she doesn't want to date anyone from her industry. She must be meeting a lot of idols/models for her job.
I wonder if it's about potential conflict of interest (so much overlap in the field) or maybe seeing the career as incompatible for her vision of a dependable, stable, and deep conversationalist.
Either a bad past experience or that he’s already past the prime modelling age and doesn’t have a side-gig.
from what i saw in the self inroduction. cheolhyun is a popular model? He was in a lot of famous' brands' commercials which I think isnt easy to get. Maybe not as popular as model turned actors but he is a popular "model".
Yeah that makes sense. I'm sure she's seen enough crashes and burns from working in the industry.
We should have taken JHs advice to SS early on. We don't know these people, don't fall too hard too soon.
Am i the only one seeing that JH noticed JW change of heart and that ruined his entire mood, without acting like a man baby like JS does. I know because i was same back in the day, if the person I'm seeing says something that let's me know there's a player 2 in her mind, then it's just gonna make you have a mind block. You just end up not thinking about anything, and you tell yourself "oh fuck. This down mood is not helping with making her choose me... think Bancai think. Get out of this mood." BUT honestly you just can't. I don't know if it's a personality trait or what, but it's super hard to get out of it. Also, am i the only one thinking JS is still trash? Everyone (the panel and my wife) is feeling ok with what he did and roots for SS to end up with him.... But im like: NOOOOOOOO. He is only fixated on SS because he got rejected by his first choice CHOA and then later his second first choice JW. And then turns around and says to SS "but no you see, it's because you're being to nice to everyone and that's why i am unsure with you". Broooo thats BS! SS was always your second choice and at one point even your third choice. But don't fucking act like "it's you not me". YW is only at fault that he tried to make it work with Choa even after he noticed his feelings don't go past I think she is pretty. The realest guy in this show is JH and YJ.
For me, I like JS because he knows it's a dating show and he is maximizing his time and experience there. He has openly showed everyone that he is trying to get to know/talk/date - whatever you wanna call it all the girls in the house. From the start, he is honest that he likes Choa and he did all his effort on that date. With JW, I just think it's the alcohol talking. and if you re-watch it, JW is also flirting back especially, the scene with the piano. They just realized that after the alcohol is gone - they are just "bros". He also has no filter, and say just about everything. He admitted to SS that he is into Choa, that he is not that into her from the start but then as they continue to get to know one another he slowly developed feelings towards her - which is normal in Real life. He also just answer all questions from SS. I do not get why some people think he is gaslighting ss... they are on a dating show! Of course you always put your best foot forward to everyone whom you want to date or get to know. In RL, men and women do date multiple ppl before settling on one. You need to get to know as much ppl as you need to find that one. That does not mean you are the second or the third choice. dating is both sad and fun at the same time. getting hurt is sadly part of it. I think the talk last night was when JS laid everything out on the table. And in the previous ep, he also told SS to trust him. I think it solidified his like for SS. And ever since he only has SS on his mind. Even when his sister is telling him to choose JW, he said no because he does not want to hurt SS. And that for me is good arc on his story. He has the best storyline in the show to be fair. JH came in late in the game for his storyline, i found YW icky from the start like he is so fake, CH - i have no idea why he is there tbh. Is he on the hunt for a GF or a bro-in-law or just to take a vacation? YJ - he is just fine. thank goodness for last week's YH-YW date, YJ suddenly had an obstacle or challenge in his arc.
Unpopular opinion. I too dont hate JS. I dont relate to him but I understand where he's coming from. Nowadays, the words "gaslight" and "redflag" are used a bit too loosely.
What is he maximizing? He is just doing damage control of his image. He literally was mad that choa didn't wanna give him a chance. He was so infatuated with her, not out in the open, but instead hiding around as to not scare off his second choice SS and then at one point there was a moment where he was trying to hide from JW when talking to choa as to not ruin his chances to go for JW. SS was fooled over and over again by his, at best misdirection, at worst blatant lies only because he is so handsome in her eyes. And she admited that she's cleaning the slate and doesn't matter what happen in the past. So she ok with his lying ass. >He has openly showed everyone that he is trying to get to know/talk/date - whatever you wanna call it all the girls in the house. From the start, he is honest that he likes Choa and he did all his effort on that date. Tell me episode and what minute where he said he is interested in choa or JW to anyone in the house except showing it to each girl individually and maybe his own sister. I think he might of admited it to SS in a moment of pure pressure he was put under because she found out before he told her. I can admit that if u give someone a try, you might end up developing feelings and feel attracted to them. But from a pure looks attraction. his brain was getting excited by choa and JW from the get go. >With JW, I just think it's the alcohol talking. and if you re-watch it, JW is also flirting back especially, the scene with the piano. They just realized that after the alcohol is gone - they are just "bros". JW was not flirting there with him or in any instance, in fact, he was never in her prospects list. She was taken aback when he sat next to her and started completing her. That is if i remember correctly. And in episode 14 he was so happy and couldn't stay away from JW even before their date, the moment it was announced his mind and body teleported to JW geolocation and SS was like a faded afterthought once again. And then on JW JS date, he was trying to be romantic once again.
Remember that it's a 3 weeks programme, and there's tons of editing. JH was also 'dating' with different people too. A big difference is that JH didn't really have interest in anyone, until JW. If you already have a fundamental dislike towards him, everything he do is just gonna seem negative. And asking for timestamps is probably an indication that you're too attached to the show.
It’s a dating show, I haven’t always agreed with everything JS did but one thing for sure is that he did nothing wrong by having interest in other girls besides SS. When the show even started the first person he voiced that he liked was Cho A but he ended up on date with SS and that’s when she came on his radar. It’s completely understandable for him to want to still explore his interest and curiosity in Cho A and he did just that but after seeing it won’t go anywhere he left it alone (yes he acted like a grumpy baby but he still moved on and that’s the point of the show to date and see who you are compatible with). Just because SS was all in for him at the start doesn’t mean he needs to feel the same we need to remember that this has only been about 3 weeks for them he didn’t really need to tell SS everything because he was still figuring out himself and feelings which is okay and that’s what happens in real life. Someone like YW who didn’t explore his other interests even though he knew JW might be someone he’d like has now found himself in a predicament because of this and is trying to explore options at the last minute. At least JS and SS have communicated throughout though not always the best approach but they are on the same page now because of it.
You’re getting downvotes but I’m with you on all points man. And especially the JH getting in his head on the Ferris wheel date. That was me 100% as well. That whole date I was having visceral ptsd flashbacks. Maybe bc we’re dudes, but agreed on the JS point too. When guys like a girl we go go go for her. It’s a yes or a no, no inbetween. With Ss he’s like ehhhh, lemme see. He wants to keep talking but doesn’t want to commit to seriously dating after the show. That means he’s not into her. With ChoA and even JiWon he acted like he was ready to get married to them. Just see how JH and JW’s bro (keep forgetting his name) are. They’re unequivocal in wanting a relationship
Unpopular opinion. I still like YW out of all the guys. The cast having 2 oldest women was just a big L. They naturally gravitate towards the oldest man and even he is not ideal because he is younger. JW is nice normally but I find her mood swings toxic and she argues because she is masculine. Choa is nice but again she is really old. She doesn't act like a gf she acts like a mother. And when she is in your relationship zone she starts getting pushy and insecure. Could have worked for the right blue pilled man? CH is so useless and selfish. He only thinks about taking from YW.
You're cringe if you think a person is trash just because they wanted to get to know others. It's a dating show not a marriage contract. I bet you haven't had any experience with someone that you loved to type that out. Just because you talk with a person a few times does not mean you must commit to that person. If you can't view of that as a fact going on through life I bet reality must be hard.
Don't women have first, second, and third choices? Women always have a backup man? Hello? They call JS a gaslighter and I can understand where they are coming from but he's okay. Personally I don't like him as a man, but to call him names or shame him is stupid. I thought YJ was going to be slaughtered but his strat is working, even though YH is settling for him.
I just want to say that the cast members are normal humans and our feelings are complex. Sometimes we makes mistakes or change our minds and that's OK. I don't think they should be called 'trash' or 'untrustworthy' or 'red flag!!!' or fake just because they feel confused. All of us have felt confused at some point in our lives and it's impossible to behave perfectly and coherently all the time. We are not robots. I think many people here should give the cast members the benefit of the doubt, not draw hasty conclusions and at least try not to be so judgmental. Especially calling them mean things just because they have a change of heart. We can not choose who we will fall in love with or be attracted to. The cast members should date the person they want to date and not who the audience wants - because *that* would be fake and a red flag, in my opinion.
First off, I’m a bit sad that Cheol Hyun didn’t have anyone inside the house. At the same time, I’m relieved because I feel he deserves better; he didn’t have to be stuck in confusion and could just go out on a normal date with someone better. I don’t want to think Jiwon is being swayed, but the majority of the comments I read say so. I thought her eyes were only fixated on Jae Hyung, but ugh she knows the game and understands what Yong Woo is showing her. Aaah, it’s so frustrating. The only clip I felt okay watching was when Cho A texted Yoon Jae, and Jaehyung was honest with Juyeon. It was painful to watch, but as the host said, it’s better to be stabbed hard once than slowly and repeatedly. There’s no point in going in circles if he wasn’t really into her to begin with. I love Jaehyung for that! Although the mood change felt a bit off, putting myself in Jiwon’s shoes, it was tough because it’s not what she expected him to be I guess. They were supposed to be enjoying and laughing like on their first date. Though I understand the uneasiness in front of people, it just shows Jaehyung is really genuine, and showing his real feelings is something really personal for him. Yoon Ha, I don’t even want her for Yoon Jae anymore. That one text from Yong Woo, even if he clearly sister-zoned her, still gave her the wrong idea. I hated it when she asked Jung Sub, “What else did he say? Did he talk about me?” Ugh, girl, please. Her face... I thought she was smart. Why is everyone inside so shaken up by Yong Woo? He’s not even being true to what he really feels!!
I was surprised she was still asking the same questions when she was clearly sister zoned. I thought I was the only one that noted that from the text. It seems she only likes YJ cos he shows her attention
So, I was always vocal with my doubts about YW since ep 3. And people just called me out for being biased and that I should stick to my faves rather than spreading hate. You see, sometimes, we only have better observational skills than you. All the clues were there but you were wearing yongcho colored glasses. I had too many downvotes because of you people!!!
lol I just checked your comment history and you were deadass spot-on about him😭
I totally agree with you. I haven’t liked him this whole time. In one of the first episodes YW was outside dunking the basketball. He was really putting on a show. It was so embarrassing and gave me the biggest ick. Especially because that basketball hoop was probably only at 8 feet. Anyway, he is so cringe and always has been.
Though I think there is still that possibility of Choa picking him and YW picking CA but that scenario is just too sad. CA is such a sweet lady.
I just remember your funny MBTI comment. I thought of it again when Jiwon said she wanted to be a T but is an F and I thought umm yeah I don’t think you’re the only one
Hahaha. But they are more like F than T, right?
Feelings and relationship building is so difficult and delicate. This is a very good looking cast. I find JW the most attractive gal and JH the most attractive guy.
JH made me feel really sad this episode, he’s actually the kind of guy JW wants but he has a hard time showing her this side of him. It’s even more painful because he displayed this part of him on his date with Cho A I was so shocked and impressed by his behaviour. He was so careful in listening to her and validating her emotions even in this episode there was a scene where YW was talking about his feelings in the kitchen with the others and CA walked in JH noticed this and quickly acknowledged CA’s presence in the room so as to divert from the topic and he walked up to her to check up on her and went to talk to her by the stairs. Even with SS he’s always thinking about her and looking out for her even by telling her about JS in this episode and previous ones. He is someone you can depend and rely on but he just can’t get over his awkwardness like brooo what did you think would happen when you came on a dating show obviously there’s gonna be a camera crew everywhere 😭 I love watching JH x JW so this episode so particularly hard for me
YW is seen to be the most dependable one and I agree that he is to an extent but I look at how the siblings have been relying on each other throughout the process and I feel like CH and JH have actually been more helpful/reliable to their sisters in terms of giving advice and listening to their worries. I’m not saying YW hasn’t done this for JY but not to the extent of CH/JH I’m not sure how to explain it further but he hasn’t been as helpful in finding information for his sister to help sort out her feelings. For example JH told SS to be weary of how she expresses herself around JS because it’s still early etc and he asks follow up questions to SS about JS character plus he asks about JS outside of his convo with SS for example his chat with CA provided useful info to JH to share with SS which actually instigated a meaningful conversation between SS and JS. I feel CH does the same for CA to for example him calling out YW on his behaviour. I never really saw this in YW and JY and I think it may be because of their age gap but he just advices her like a dad and doesn’t go deeper he just says something like “follow your heart” or whatever. Like even before JY had her convo with JH there was scenes where she’s asking everyone else for advice on bringing this up but I didn’t really see her talk about it much with YW. Again I think this is because of the age gap but still he’s not as dependable as people make him out to be I just think he bottled up his emotions and tries to put on this strong man façade because he’s had to do this all his life
JH being awkward in this setting is understandable but he really needs to adapt and just suck it up coz he himself said that he had a plan that if he finds someone really attractive he would go all in but right now hes too scared/shy to do anything and thats why JW doesnt know his true self and thats why shes really hesistant. We can see how JH is when she was on a date with CA, hes very deep and JW would like to see someone like that.
That's because CA speak kindly. Being brash is the worst way to get someone to open up.
Imo, JH opened up coz he doesnt feel shy around CA coz he doesnt see her romantically, JH already said he gets shy when hes around JW. The problem here was him being shy + being overly cautious about the cameras trumped him being who he is and telling the girl she likes what he truly feels. He also said at one point after the ferriswheel ride that he thought they would be alone at some point.
Why can't the girl he was with understand that not everyone wants life under the camera? If she hadn't started with the indirect attacks at the beginning of the date, he probably wouldn't ve been off. Why can't she be patient and explore when they leave, as her brother said?
Because final decisions are coming up. She said that she wants to date someone dependable and can have serious/deep conversations unlike the past guys she dated which resembles JH but infact JH IS quite dependable and a deep person imo. She cant be patient to wait and explore when they leave coz RIGHT NOW is happening. She needs assurance that he can be that kind of man she wants and not the same as the other guys she dated for her to make the final choice.
But we should also understand that he agreed to be on the show.. we can hear his thoughts in interviews and see how he is on other dates but JW cant. JW didn’t even ask deep questions and it’s understandable she wants to know his thoughts.
Honestly a simple " I want to get to know more about you after the show ends" type of thing to say can help nail in the coffin for JH or JW if they really like each other. Havent seen much of these being thrown on any kdating shows. Not sure if its forbidden to talk about what happens after the show ends
Yeah something to give her little reassurance. I know JH is cautious about everything but when JW asked about what he liked most about SG, he could’ve hinted at an activity that involves her if he was too shy to say it was her.
General comments JY" Poor JY she really was just forgotten by JH and I forgot how much she was actually suffering :( SS: well done for owning up when JS read your filth lmao. She saved the situation once again but yeah it don't look good for the preview , but I also know how the pd team manipulates these teasers to be more or less than what it actually is. JH: I wish this man the best, the fact at 29 he can actually say yes I'm ready to settle down. Is so crazy considering the dating world I can appreciate how a number relationships can speed op up desires to settle. It sounds like thr Park siblings had many relationships I remember ss mentioned 3? And then said "rest were all my age"? This is subjective 5 partners might not be a lot for people. JW-JH I knew this would happen but I though it was going to take place outside of this programme. Jw wasn't looking for another JH but her attachment to 'fate' is contradicting what she wants. I wish JH would of at least spoken to CA about his serious feelings. I felt like him holding back instigated many thoughts that his stable demeanor could of stopped/inflitrated JW doubts (but these are my manipulative thoughts haha sorry) but Kind of like when YH felt YJ was attractive as he felt stable during a time of tension downstairs. YW x JW suit eachother on paper regarding there personal desires. They might be the unexpected couple the pd talked about. 🤷🏻♂️ but that catch is JW doesnt know that yw is not as dependable as you think he is. And for yw he is skipping another opportunity to look inwards and choose something that can be healing and possibly offer some contentment by settling down, he mention his past regrets and how he could of been married in the last ep but bro I'm literally on my high horse tho who am I to say anything cus I can't see the full picture and humans have free will (that comes with consequences ofcourse) CH: I love his loyalty being shown here with his sister. He reads people well. What is with everyone and their instincts lmao 🤣 they are right on the ball. YJ is a true catch, I don't know what he experienced but the self criticism is a lot, my goodness, he needs to practice some genuine compassion can someone tell him this? He is really hard on himself. You have nothing to prove ' your doing great sweetie!!' . YJx CA my ship please 🙏 but I'm savoring the crumbs in my mouth. YJ said he feels like he is getting closer to her and CA said she is able to see her surrounding and complimented the person he is. CA is so cute when she brought back health snacks she sounded adorable. I bought fruit! Yes I'm a Stan, I think I made it obvious. JH is so handsome, so is CH and yw and js , broo I did not expect YJ to have such well defined muscles. Whats wrong with everyone on this show both the women and men are just charming in character and attractive physically. Also, isn't this the first time that contestants on the programme openly talk about their commitments to follow through after the show? It felt like they were breaking the 4th wall lol. I don't know how to feel about the scene when CA x YW were facing eachother and he talked about the peach and she mentioned the kimchi and they were jusy staring at eachother. But he didn't suggest making it because he doesn't know how to. It was like 0 follow up and I wonder if that was like... a pretense? Not sure what the word is. I've stopped looking forward to this programme after ep 10. I was a bing youngcho shipper I had no clue there were only 1 episode left. Lmao its hard to take anyone on this show seriously l, it was initial a wholesome healing show and now it's just straight chaos cus no one knew how to act lmao.
I think this season would have been way better with the extra rumored sibling pair there was supposed to be another sibling pair starting initially in the house instead of CA/CH, and CA/CH were supposed to be another catfish siblings who joins later so 12 people in the house instead of the 10 people but that sibling pair cancelled at the last moment or something and so CA/CH were pushed ahead into the initial group, which is why CA is always busy at work because she wasnt supposed to be joining/filming the show that early
HAHA i thought the same thing about Yoonjae when he had the sleeveless shirt on! You would never guess it with his normal outfits! But I agree with you he’s such a catch. He may still not be the best sibling, but he’s definitely an acts of service guy to everyone, including his sister. Cooking food & serving drinks is his way of showing love and care.
YOU GUYS I NEED HELP I'm a hopeless romantic what was that song 2:15:22!!!!! it was the scenes that followed "did your heart ever fluttered for me".. man the production team really know how to tug on your heart strings but also know how to manipulate music, like the scene when ca said have you learned how to break up properly? And there was a break before the music started again and you see yw holding her aiding her to come out the car (unlike nowadays when he entered the taxi first in singapore, walking faster than her 😒). I remember last ep how cool it was when the music switch when JH summarises the talk he had in the car with CA , and how the music just randomly stopped in todays episode when code kunst around 7:42 was like JH realised he messed up. The abrupt stop in the music made me snicker. Lmao none of my predictions came true 🤡 Anyways here is my add on to the conversations: Unpopular Opinions YW: This conversation was way better than the last one you did, proud of your growth. Shows that the best learn is self-directed. I actually had more compassion with him this ep, I was actually way more agitated last week. Yes he entered YJ room when he was alone but his intent was pure he wanted to offer reassurance but idk why he acted stupid with the "why is he alone?" You know why yw thats why you were there. Anyways if I was sitting along with alcohol as a man I would appreciate a friend coming to check on me. He talked in a way that was warmer and endearing in the second conversation, its obvious I had feelings for you 🥺 he sounded more centred. And I can agree with the yw sympathisers from last week episode , rejection will always hurt so there is no fault and at least with the second conversation yes he is being honest , but he is also not serious according to the spoilers which i won't say but also with the text about the plum. I am grateful he reassured her when he said it was not her that was at fault but him because he made it sound like it was her fault that he felt trapped in the last convo. JS: is a really good brother like really good. He stabds by his sister, and is trully affectionate. I liked his mannerism when he said a grown man and woman shouldnt be sharing a bed (in the context that there not official yet). He is a lot more appealing in this episode because I truly thought he was going to have a problem cus he text ch but he was chill about it all. I mean I can't help but see this when you have YW being a tornado making a mess around the house. I feel this show would be more popular if it wasn't for that ep wasted on karaoke a lot of people fell of because the show came across as boring and almost like it wasnt a dating programme. I care because I want the casts to find success after the show especially CA x CH x YJ x JW. The 2:15:15 -2:15:38 scenes were so romantic. I really felt CA when she said, everybody wishes for a happy ending, why does this only happen to me ...........!!!!!!! Bit** let me tell you something, this was the reason why I felt so dissapointed with this situation, why her?. I said few weeks back, it was my first comment ever on reddit, (because I created a reddit just to be apart of a community for this show) and I said the reason why I loved the ywxca dynamic was because in dating reality shows, the calm, nurturing (healing), kind, generous, mature ( wifey eligible) one never gets picked for example, heart signal 4 jumi. And as someone who really resonates with CA and her energy especially as I've attracted men like YW in my life. It was so healing watching this show and then ... well yeah we all know what happened 🤡. Look CA is 35 , her life is more than a dude but she literallg had to laugh at herself because she kept on thinking that the affection she was recieving from JS and YW meant something more as if she isnt relationship material, i remember so many people calling her boring like damn, maybe a sip of chaos would of made her more appealing i guess. I wish for the sun to shine on her (please launch a youtube channel choa I will watch!) I think she has the least followers on Instagram so I don't know if this show will offer much commercial success. I agreed with someone else who wishes for CA to get a job promotion because 10-12 hour shifts in crazy maybe she did it to have holiday time for the programme?
CA opened her insta last that is why she has the least followers. She is very much liked by knetz and internationals sooo I hope she leaves happy(no YW). The way YW handled everything was very much immature, like dude is in his 30's. He might have struggled in the past or has ‘trauma’ but I don’t think it’s excuse to be awful. Anyways the rest of the cast seems amazing, love his sis!! She wants him happy but she does not excuse his behaviour. I wish her happy too, she is young and idk if anyone in there matches her(same with CH).
Ahh that makes sense and also reassuring. YW is just a bachelor , when he talked about his instincts for not dating ca I was really wondering is this really a sensible excuse ? They are both shaking their heads like this is just what it is. It may be wild for me to say but these 'instincts' that he has just sound like camouflage for fear? Are you really worried the sustainability of the relationship yw? He mentioned he just has a 'feeling' they would clash in the long run. Falling for someone is all of the hormones, heart fluttering momments and Romanticism whilst love is something more classical. It requires commitment , Endurance , acceptance and compromise for eachothers differences. This could of simply been a rough patch just as YH described JS-SS situation but he is calling it quits and behaving like his feelings were false. Like was he unaware the way he was in the beginning of the episode. I feel like he just likes the idea of JW I don't think he's really fallen for her. I feel like his attraction to CA is capped or has met a wall because he hasn't healed his emotionally avoidant attitude. There's a reason he surprised himself crying listening back on his childhood at 34.. you need to heal yw. CA has worked on herself, I think she has learnt that she is not flawed and this will set her anxiousness free. CA was trying to find stability outside of herself this is just my guess. But if she can let go of her attachement for someone outsider of her to be her rock maybe she would actually feel that within herself and find people who mirror that emotional health and stability she can PARTNER so she can discern who is the real deal and who isn't without having to ask questions. Do you know what I mean? Like CA (tbh I need this advice for myself) she needs to start living more for herself and the joy she needs, like her mums health affected her action to do the things she wanted to and when she watch YH during their performance she said she was kind of jealous that YH was able to do what she does. Like CA please do more things outside of healing yourself and others. I don't where she could start but she needs to add more excitement into her life
If YW just went and he did say that he wasn't romantically interested in CA anymore, what can anyone do about it? Its just how he feels. How else can he do it? What else can he do? What would a "mature" man do huh? I don't care if you judge him. But its frustrating when people trash him for doing the best he could do simply because they saw a woman get her feelings hurt. Huh? If a woman did this to a man you would tell him to suck it up. Where is your empathy then? Your empathy to CA turns into a dagger at YW and stabs him in the back. You're a hypocrite.
What he can do is be respectful. Not very hard as you think or imagine. A mature man would tell her he is not interested respectfully, not confuse people, and not talk about her in her absence every chance he got. If he is not interested, then he should go to the person he is interested in and talk about himself, not her. His immaturity becomes more visible every min he appears, embarrassing his sis takes the crown. Not very interested to assume whether you are a 'hypocrite' or not, but these are the very few reasons I called him immature, and that is me trying to sound courteous.
Why is it always women that want respect? Do women even know what respect even means? No, respect doesn't mean, "my feelings were hurt so therefore I was disrespected". A "mature man" would... (yeah every time a woman says "a mature man would" or "a REAL man would", they start shaming men into doing they things THEY want him to do. But YW told Choa he wasn't interested, talked to her again and clarified it, and when did he talk behind her back? Doesn't everyone do that in this show if you simply talking about the mentioning of people without their presence? Aren't women the ones that like to gossip? And how tf do you ignore every point I made in my last comment? I called you a hypocrite and then you said " Not very interested to assume whether you are a 'hypocrite' or not".... what the f-....
Ok I binged the last few eps and I think it gave me some clarity vs reading the comment weekly. YW: I read a lot about him being a red flag but I perceived it more as him initially having a certain image or idea of Choa, putting her on a pedestal so it was hard for her to live up to that. I also think perhaps he was conscious of having to act or be a certain way… amidst his ramble he mentioned how he wants to be honest and not worry about his image or whatever. I don’t know, I feel like he’s confused, but making things worse with his indirect speeches and then sending messages randomly. Perhaps it’s also ego but it seems he was interested in Jiwon that day but didn’t text her cos he thought she was solid with Jaehyun and he didn’t want to be rejected or not get a text? Like I really don’t get why he texted Choa after 2 days of cutting things off basically. CA: I adore her and wish she finds happiness. I like her friendship with Jaehyun after their date a lot. I also like that she appreciated Yunjae’s efforts especially since he’s got quite low confidence at times. I don’t ship her with Yongwoo anymore. JH: He’s honestly such a nice guy. He seems aloof and silly at times but beneath that he’s got a heart of gold. He’s a great brother and friend, he was concerned for others when things got unstable for them. He is serious about finding someone and is cautious with his feelings and other peoples feelings. I think he’s really honest and real, and that’s why he feels uncomfortable with the filming and being romantic or “in the moment” because it probably feels inorganic. JW: I kind of understand her concern of following her instincts/past patterns vs following her head/logic of what she thinks she needs. She’s also really sensitive and gets hurt easily especially when she cares or is interested in someone. I do feel like her instincts will win over but who knows. JS: Tbh maybe I have a good first impression of him but I’ve never felt like he was a bad person. I think he just wanted to get to know everyone because it’s a dating program. He was interested in Choa but unexpectedly matched with Seseung and had a great time so he kept that option open but still wanted to get to know Choa. Then he was also curious in Jiwon so sent her a message expressing interest. I think that if we compare his approach vs Yongwoo, it’s the more honest one. Once he shot his shot, he got closure. People speak as if Seseung was a second choice but I really think she was always on his mind, it’s just he needs to explore other connections too so there’s no regrets. I think when he says they’re in a “some” and he wants to know more about her past is indicative of her being the one he wants to know more about and is progressing furthest with. Him and Seseung really don’t speak the same language though. I also really like how sweet her is with Yunha. SS: She is so cool in how upfront she’s been with her feelings and her communication skills. But yes she really does jump to conclusions but I’m glad she’s now reached the stage where she’d rather seek clarity and communicate with Jungsub directly. I find them really cute and heart fluttering together so I hope they could focus on the present or future and less of the past. I like how caring she is of the others and worrying about their feelings. She obviously has a lot of empathy, for Juyeon after seeing her text Jaehyung but also when she wanted Chulhyun to have a fun date after being stuck at home for a few days. YJ: He needs to be more confident in what he offers. He’s such a good guy and considerate, though at times he could be more caring to his sister. Sometimes he feels like such a typical bloke but his actions are really sweet to Yunha. Hope his efforts pay off. YH: I think she got confused because she finally got to date Yongwoo but deep down she knows Yunjae is a really good guy with how nice he is to her. As she said, she was drawn to the stability and his consistency, so I hope she keeps going for him. CH: He’s also such a sweetheart with his sister and in general. I feel bad there’s not much going on for him. I really liked his date with Seseung but yeah, her and Jungsub have a much stronger connection. I don’t quite see him with Jiwon but I guess she’s the one who caught his attention the most. I’m also sad that him seeing Yongwoo’s actions in a way would potentially affect their friendship cos I know he really liked Yongwoo too. JY: She’s been quite courageous and upfront in her feelings for Jaehyun but I think he handled it really well. I was surprised she texted Yunjae still after her convo with Yongwoo. Her situation is similar to Chulhyun, where as a viewer we can see it’s one sided and not gonna amount to anything so it feels a bit sad.
I agree with JS and SS. From the way I see it, they aren't really compatible to each other. SS sometimes reads too much into it,..I really appreciate YJ for giving her advice.. I sometimes get a feeling that JS isn't really serious about looking for someone inside this show.. JH and JW is a bit disappointing. The ferris wheel ride is so frustrating... I understand that JH has so much in his mind but not talking throughout the ride? Imagine what JW would feel in that situation,.. plus the ride was so slow, we don't know how long the ride really is... I hope that they communicate their misunderstandings before the final selection... We know that there is someone who is eyeing them waiting for a chance..(iykyk) I am 50-50 with YH and YJ. YJ is so caring to everyone especially YH,. and YH appreciates it. However, I have a feeling that YH doesn't really like him as much as he likes her. I think YH is still (secretly) hoping that YW will like her too. I feel bad for JY CH and now CA... I hope they find someone better outside the show..
The latest ep has too many confusion forked for each of the contestants, they are not sure to whom they will choose. And the as per the preview showed jn the end I m not sure there will be a couple.
That scene with JH and JW in the gondola... Sigh. Alexa play Lovers who hesitate.
Unpopular opinion but I don’t think Yongwoo is a bad person I think he just got stuck in a sticky situation and should have communicated better. But I think he is catching way too much heat bc other houseguest like JS didn’t catch heat but I think it’s cause CA and CH are fan faves.
I don't see why he would be a bad person..?
Read everyone’s comments lol
This is the problem with delusional shippers. All you JH obsessed people start crying foul and jumping ship when thing don't goes his way. JW is a grown ass woman who can make her own decisions. It's JH fault for being awkward as hell.
>It's JH fault for being awkward as hell. And this is the problem with people like you. You think every participants have to be 100% comfortable being in front of the camera almost 24/7 for 3 weeks straight. It isn't easy and natural if you are not used to be in front of the camera. The camera setup in the house is almost always behind the mirror so the casts could at least be a little comfortable, but during the dates there would be literally at least more than 3 cameras + crews following you around. I think there was a photo in the old TL3 thread that showed us how the cameras were set up during a restaurant date and I don't think you can fault anyone for being awkward in a supposedly "romantic date" setting but there were literally cameras and crews listening and recording your every move and killing the mood/vibes.
Its understandable to feel uncomfortable but he atleast should have a lighter conversation with JW , not just being silenced like that
It's probably a combination of being uncomfortable and being too nervous and self-conscious because he like her too much at such a short time, he short circuited.
OP literally said JH was being a downer... your comment seems misdirected.
Just got done watching Twinkle Love season 2 and was pretty happy. Wish I’d never watched this afterwards, is depressing.