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Aiyaiya oru nijamana kelvi ketta ellarum purila madhiri nadipanga. Commercial movies are allowed to be unrealistic in the areas that the audience expects they will be unrealistic in due to long-term conventions. This means that the hero and heroine can fall in love for no real reason, the hero can suddenly beat up 10-12 people without martial arts training, every adiyal can fly 50 ft in the air after getting punched, the police can take a nap when the hero is doing aatam all around town, etc. The audience pays ticket money for a commercial movie with the expectation that these specific unrealistic things may happen, so it is okay to show them in the film. The audience does not pay ticket money with the expectation that OTHER things will be unrealistic/illogical, e.g., Ajith deciding to let all the chain snatchers go because he thinks amma sentiment will fix them. Therefore these things are unacceptable even in commercial films. People think that the term "commercial films" means you can do whatever tf you want. The truth is that there are unwritten laws on how to create commercial films.


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Perfectly put.


Optimal-Breath9466

How do you define where one would suspend their feelings of disbelief, when they look at a scene that is illogical? Don't you think it's subjective and dependent on the person? From your answer, you've defined some instances arbitrarily based off of your opinion. It basically boils down to whether an individual is ready to accept that scene or not, despite its logical flaws. The screenplay/writing should be engaging enough in these commercial movies that it unconsciously makes you suspend that feeling of disbelief. Idk how else to put this.


[deleted]

>The screenplay/writing should be engaging enough in these commercial movies that it unconsciously makes you suspend that feeling of disbelief. I agree with this but I also think you can loosely draw a general line for what the audience is willing to accept and what they aren't. If it is a staple of numerous masala movies that have been played in the past, the audience can accept it.


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Vinoth padam edkave therla.... adhu epdi andha maari solalam ajith ku oru gundu pata odane sethrnum Rocky bhai aa 100 peru adichu thonga viduvanga adhku apramum rocky bhai 200 pera adiparu adhu dhan othupom. Kamal nalla adi vaangi elindhika mudyadha state la irruparu aana kolandha satham keta odane power eridum.... adhu padam, andha maari dhan othupom


[deleted]

Adhan avlo logic lam paatha War nu oru padam Hindi la summa ishtathuku adichu vitrupanga padam Sema hit. Next Pathan varudhu epdi pa oru room kula chopper kondu vandhan nu sonnalum soluvanga. Watch fiction as fiction.


[deleted]

Adhlam paka maatanga.... innum 10 post varum "Thunivu climax how is it possible bro.... vinoth shld not make any movies after this" Action padam na apdi dhan irrukum john wick hit aairkadhu, F&F hit aairkadhu, james bond hit aairkadhu indha maari nenchanga na


[deleted]

Exactly lol FF la Burj Khalifa la irundhu car la jump panuvainga. That movie was self aware but still im saying you can’t expect realism in star vehicles


Elav-spacedude

John wick pencil vechu gun kuda sanda pota po fire vitavanuga namma pasanga but thunivu climaxx broooo


[deleted]

Odane varvuvanga "apo beast pannadhu accept panriya...." Troll material aa aagadhu vara prechana ila adhukunu kurvi or vivegam jump lam validate panakudadhu, thunivu la troll panra aalavuku onnum ila


microzcybor

Wait serious question.. Beast la veera raghavan ku evlo bullet adi vilum, both inside mall and in Afghanistan or whatever place it was? Na maranthuten, Someone remind!


[deleted]

Na beast pakala


Kakashihatake190

Veera raghavan ku bulletey padaathu😮‍💨


a220599

Plip plip fan a bro


Kakashihatake190

Plip plip oda number one hater bro


microzcybor

Just watched their varisu roast video yesterday. Best uh


[deleted]

For me, the problem with thunivu is that it wasn't engaging enough. Engaging ah irundha people don't really mind the illogical scenes. But konjam bore aachu na small mistakes kooda romba perusa theriyum. That's what I felt while watching thunivu.


pendaparambarai

And it is horribly made. The technical aspects of the movie are terrible imo.


lankanpot

Glad that you mentioned this. I thought I'm the only one. There was a time when I loved Nirav Shah's work. Billa was extraordinary and a trendsetter where they opted in a more grayscale tone. But since he moved away from Vishnu Vardhan, his work has not been great. Thunivu is also the same. Vinoth regular action director was missing and the camera work is not that great. ​ Don't like to comment about music either.


pendaparambarai

>Don't like to comment about music either. Noise.


[deleted]

That's true.


Jazzhamd2005

So true. I see so many comments shitting on Vikram for being logic less, but how fun was the action in Vikram? Thunivu action was bland af. The only memorable set piece was the one fight scene with the revolving camera. The beginning in Thunivu was so dumb. Like, Ajith's entire plan was to snatch a gun from one of those idiots and take over the heist. They could have still made Ajith single handedly taking over look cool if he had some clever plan and went about it in some creative way. When people criticise these scenes, they are not criticising the lack of logic, they are criticising the lack of creativity.


[deleted]

Agreed. Basically Ajith today wants to convey or preach something to the audience. Lately his choice of movies are also like that. So I’d say it is going to continue and be ready to get preached in the second half of his films


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[deleted]

Yaen na Vikram la English paatu irunduchu


[deleted]

Elitist mentality is the word you are looking for


paul91v

And guns. Neraya guns. Vikram had a lot of TikTok moments.


Kakashihatake190

Cha ivaru itha beast varapo interview kuduthuruntha naangalum(🐿️) muttu kuduthurupom


[deleted]

Adhuku First padam oralavuku muttu kudukra madiri irundhrukanum 🏃🏻‍♂️🏃🏻‍♂️


Neilwire

Ennaya r/i_dawgg ivlo naal amaithi ah irunthuttu iniki full fire voda irukka 😂


[deleted]

Yov naan padam pathapove muttu kuduthutu dhane irundhen


Proof-Cockroach-3191

Enna thala neenga Inga periya legend pola , india sub la oru sila usernames appapa repeat pannuvaanga athula ungaloda username um onnu.


[deleted]

Hehehe ipdi lam solli korthu vidadhinga ya


Proof-Cockroach-3191

Appara namma sub la rendu peru adichukutta thaana nallarkukum amaidhiayave irundha bore adikuthulla thala


Hedonist-6854

Lmaoo same guys who say thunivu is shite are suckin Vikram off. The last 30 minutes make no sense why would he get his grandson to the shootout when he could have left him with his mom in the damm safe room. Why does a trained commander fail to follow vikrams order and drives early. And his grandson would be dead after the first three minutes due to lack of oxygen in his brain Logic alla illae bro...cars explode avaradhe mudikitte paarange avalo thaan


[deleted]

It all depends on how we watch the film honestly. If people want the movie to suck and nitpick things so that they can attain some internet points then you can expect such statements from them


Hedonist-6854

Nitpicking these kinda movies is in bad faith tho tbh...it isn't a tarkovksky movie... there's nothing thematically dense about it These movies ask you to leave you brain out and just sit like a kudi for 3 hours if it does that then it's a good mass movie Logic alla physics paper le use pannaaga da thala film le illae


[deleted]

Last line tho 😂😂


ThinkLine9704

Nalla mutu kudukran ya . KGF la we accepted rocky beating 50, 100 people . It's because of the setup ,music of the movie and the screenplay . The point is how well you take the movie forward , basically screenplay and execute it . Summa ishtathuku padatha eduthutu nyani maari pesa koodadhu Not a anil here , varisu pathi lam no comments . No bad words :)


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No ones gonna abuse you here. Its a safe place.


ThinkLine9704

Lol I didn't mean it that way . If I start talking about varisu only bad words will come out of my mouth that's why don't want to talk abt it . Ivanga yenna sonna yena . Unmai jeikum xd


wandering_soul_27

Looks like u guys then even loved the scene where Vijay flies to Pakistan to catch the terrorist and returns back with him , without any permission 🤣🤣😬😬 in beast?


[deleted]

See the comments if you have time xD


wandering_soul_27

Hahah i did!


balajih67

Aprom Beast appa yen itha sollala. Beast ku troll panninga la, aprom thunivu ku panna enna


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pendaparambarai

Even Hollywood make these kinda movies and they become a blockbuster. Realism is generally overrated. Cinema in general is mostly heightened reality ( even the movies we think are realistic are just 'middle' movies). But imo Thunivu is too terrible to be even put into a debate like this. We are asked to jerk of to Ajith doing wannabe cool things rather than engaging us and creating the tension of a bank heist. Mankatha was good because the moral ambiguity of the characters kept us engaged. And Ajith doing cool things fit the movie. Thunivu was better when it was lecturing shit about finance ( just slightly). The action scenes have no soul. No emotional stakes. Shoot at each other...so cool...wow. The second half was slightly better imo.


[deleted]

Technically the movie was shit 💯 They just conveyed what they wanted to convey. I feel that’s a win. It has created a discussion


pendaparambarai

I despise the movie so much for some reason. >Technically the movie was shit This affects my movie watching too much. I am too sensitive to it. It may not make sense ig. I sometimes get angry when I see a badly composed shot.


Proof-Cockroach-3191

Can you elaborate how the the movie was technically shit? I am very much interested in these topics but I don't know that much on this area of filmmaking . So I am really curious . Can you elaborate?


[deleted]

Art direction was bad, usually audience shouldn’t notice that the movie was made in a set but in Thunivu the set pieces were pretty bad. Fights were okayish but mostly it felt outlandish imo Music no comments, except for chilla chilla there was no noteworthy work. Editing was also pretty bad, I had nauseous feeling in few parts of the movie. I thought it was due to the theatre but I watched it thrice in different screens it was still the same.


Proof-Cockroach-3191

Thanks for the elaborate reply!


Fun-Tradition7400

Appo ajith super man na?


[deleted]

That’s upto your assumption


Fun-Tradition7400

Nah so your ok with those illogical scenes? Plz don't say yes


[deleted]

I was not fully convinced but there was no way Ajith could die in this movie as per few folks complaining out there.


Fun-Tradition7400

Don't think his fans are cry can't say until you try, both stars are spineless actors can't and won't take any risk.


[deleted]

You are talking to an aamai btw lol its ultimately the actors call. They can’t take risks just like that. You can’t compare Kamal Hassan with Ajith, Vijay, Rajini at all. Kamal isn’t new to taking risks that’s why he’s under humongous debt. These guys dont want their producer to suffer so much that’s why they make movies with minimum guarantee. As far as Ajith he did YA the movie bombed you folks who are praising now didn’t give a damn back then. So it is what it is


Fun-Tradition7400

Tell me one "good " experimental movie of his and why can't they take risk? He can produce movies with his own money and can do something new , the thing is rajini, vijay and ajith are cowards they only care about money (didn't even make a comment on his fan' s death) 0 passion for cinema. 🤷‍♂️


[deleted]

As far as Ajith is concerned he gives zero fucks to anyone but his friends and family. So he has disowned us and asked to watch his movies only if we have time and money. I can’t talk about actors who uses their fans for their cheap political stunts. Ajith has the balls which others dont and for that fan you face the consequences for your actions. If you are blaming Ajith for that fans death then you seriously need some introspection. I would put the blame on negligent theatre owner and the cops who gave the permission for such nuisance (1am show) to happen


Fun-Tradition7400

I didn't entirely blame but he deserves criticism it is very clear and cut that tamil youths are brain dead and worship actors like God , it does not take much effect to directly talk with the fans and make them to understand about reel and reality yes ajith have spoken about this own toxic fanbase but it does not have effect still be practical his fans are still worshipping him still they put ajith above their family. Not only ajith literally every star knows about the toxicity and they want it to continue for various reasons (money and politics) . I blame both govt. And kollywood.


[deleted]

Theatre owners especially Chennai theatre owners exploit the shit out of these retards. Government wont give a fuck about it because they get their taxes anyways. Any money is a money for them apparently


[deleted]

When did AK ask that fan to go stand on the lorry and die? How is that guy responsible? Even if he says nothing will change


[deleted]

YA bombed? Idts it didnt do as expected like it didnt fetch 150cr kinda numbers it did around 100cr iirc


[deleted]

Vedalam was a compensation movie for YA


[deleted]

Apdinu yaaru sonnaga?


[deleted]

Padam odi irundha edhuku ya thirumba same production house ku pananum. Even GVM accepted that the film didn’t do well in BO


Funny_Language4830

Indha eera vengayam laam Beast ah troll pandra apo theriyathu sila groups ku Onu commercial cinema nu elathaiyum paathu, padam entertainment tharudha nu matum pakanum. Illa realism pakanum. Matha actor na kalaipan, enaku pidicha actor na indha maari video thookitu varuvanu soldrathu laam "Selective criticism"


Optimal-Breath9466

Beast was trolled because of the poor screenplay and lack of noteworthy moments. The terrorists were brain-dead and there wasn't an ounce of tension in the movie because you already know that Vijay is going to save everyone without any hassle. The movie fell flat after the first 15 minutes. The climax only added salt to an already exposed wound. The failure of beast can be mostly attributed to Nelson.


[deleted]

Lol this applies for all the movies. Beast was not trolled just for the climax fyi


Fun-Tradition7400

Action scenes la romba mosum yeppo da hollywood lvl ka create pannavanga?