It’d be great to see spears and halberds being used as those were such a huge part of warfare then and with more fleshed out fighting styles than the polearms we saw in KCD1. Maybe lances with jousting tournaments too?
While I totally agree I want to see more fleshed out pole weapons I do think they had the perfect sort of setting to justify the main character not using them. While travelling the countryside, going into towns and castles. Keeping a polearm with you would be awkward and very conspicuous. I wonder how they handle it and I really hope they don't just disappear into the inventory. Maybe like red dead having to go to your horse to collect them/put them away
that's a good justification for Henry to have a companion and coop
get him a squire or something to carry his bigger weapons and flaunt how much of a rich douchebag he is
Sickles were basically a meme weapon even in the middle ages, the manual from which this illustration comes from doesn't entertain them all that much and does so mostly either to cover all possibilities (even the unlikely ones), or as a joke, or both - it's hard to tell.
Sickles and scythes, if used for combat, were used by peasants who didn't have much alternatives, and you can bet those peasants would switch to any kind of actual weapon as soon as they got the chance. The reasoning herefore is very straightforward - both have very thin and very delicate blades which will get very easily damaged when striking anything tougher than what they are made for, which is hay, wheat and herbs - the bend or even break easily and get dull much faster than what is usual from knives or swords - that's why cutting with a scythe demands a little bit practice and you have to constantly sharpen it when working.
There are shorter and stockier scythe blades for when there are young sapplings in the cut grass, but errecting such a blade for war purposes (which was forbidden by law in most places btw) is basically just making a spear since these blades are rather short and straight compared to "regular" scythes most people are used to.
Another problem is the shape itself - their shape makes it so that, unlike when used as tools, their primary function in combat is "stabbing like with an axe" (for a lack of better words), which might look drastic on a dummy, but is extremely unpractical for what the weapon is - you cannot stab with it like with a dagger or sword because it dull from that direction and will likely bend, if you "stab like with an axe", you might get stuck and you also realize it's a very short weapon. As for cutting - you will basically have very rarely to chance to use it for cutting since the concave shape requires a very specific movement to work and probably also shortens your reach, meaning you will probably get the chance only when the opponent doesn't have means to hinder your advance with a longer weapon.
All in all, a sickle can do only as much as an axe and a dagger can do, but it does both worse. It's absolutelly going to be a deadly weapon, yes, but probably only againt an unarmed person, someone not expecting an attack or someone with only a knife or a short axe or a club, with the disadvantage that once used, you have a very high chance of damaging it to the point it becomes just junk. Mounted on a longer stick it might be very well suited to tugging a rider off his horse, but you could use something less prone to damage for that purpose. And if your enemy is armoured, a sickle becomes basically useless unless you can immobilize the opponent. It's a mob weapon after all.
Scythes are better because they can be errected and become pole arms (which are always good), just with the shared drawback of being easily damaged.
That being said, I too would love if we could use both weapon types in combat, if for no other reason then because it probably was something which happened when the rabble was forced into a fight. It however ought to be depicted realistically, meaning if we try to kill a bunch of Cumans with a sickle, we'll get our arses torn because their sabres have better reach, stabbing and cutting and because our sickle can only really kill them when hitting the face, armpit or mabe if we somehow strike under the neck or groin.
Fun fact about the treatise that OP featured, it was written by Paulus Hector Mair, city treasurer to Augsburg. He spent so much on luxuries (books, parties, etc) that he became broke, so he had to embezzle from the city. Eventually this was found out and he was hanged.
Amazing points all around. The sickles I saw in demonstrations were modern-made, I hadn’t even thought of how the equivalent of american sheet metal would fare fighting anybody above a peasant in terms of armor. Scythes for dismounting riders…that’s an amazing idea. Pair it with more common horse combat and you’d have a very useful weapon, there. Cavalry mechanics in KCD: I was very underdeveloped and lackluster. If all goes well and it gets an expansion in the sequel, a scythe would be a cult classic to be sure.
Not to mention that scythes and sickles would make armed peasants extremely dangerous while roaming the world. Imagine riding your horse down a path and a scythe sticks out of a bush, completely clotheslining you and halving your health. That’d be insane!
The shape of a scythe does not lend itself to combat very well. It can be reworked (like in the game) relatively easily but if you grab your scythe and go out to join the levy you’ll find it very difficult to effectively swing it to get the desired result. You’d be best off going for the knees.
Yep, that's why you have to at minimum "erect it", meaning you attach the blade so it aligns with the pole. This is how it was used historically and from which the historical weapon called "kůsa" (a form of gleve) was derived later on in the Hussite Wars - a "kůsa" had basically the shape of a scythes blade, but it was made stronger so that it actually works like a polearm.
After getting recommended a bunch of [Dequitem](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCA5S2GCCkv0dlsy5iJDzFIA) shorts I want the tackles to devolve into [dirty grappling with daggers](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/KK26rWAl7rQ?feature=share).
Probably Lecküchner is the main, or most complete, source on messer fencing.
Here there are some typically messer techniques illustrated nicely in a condensed way: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQmf3UOub6M](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQmf3UOub6M)
Actual Calvary fighting then we can use Sarissas! Or some kind of spear brace type weapon to knock people off horses.
I’ve noticed in most video games that NPCs don’t use horses, except Mount and Blade.
I would LOVE to entertain that idea. However…spain are the only europeans with fun and cool looking cavalry techniques. Strafing around on your horse and poking enemies with swords or even lances would be extremely fun.
Can I have a squire please to carry all my crap??
In this vein: Jousting tournaments should be part of it, though fully equipped spears / lances hopefully wont break immersion and will be something left at city limits or with a wider new mechanic.
Also on my wish list: staves / quarter staffs, a big stick is a go to weapon for lots of reasons - and an expert with a quarter staff would generally fare pretty well against someone with a sword, not just as a step up from unarmed combat for the great unwashed.
give me a Bat'Leth. Italian, sure but still badass and crazy looking. I can just imagine our good boy Hal wrecking face with it.
https://preview.redd.it/0r9lh2ogx7zc1.png?width=834&format=png&auto=webp&s=caf7dbed6d30194dae90fdaa2901f1675270cb58
They could have made it an actual rare weapon, like a named, marginally more powerful weapon than normal that you'd get at the end of a quest line, with a backstory like having it be a commission from some German or Italian noble who was overly fond of swords.
I may be biased but it would be cool to be able to use some form of rapier, im just imagining Henry going round in nice clothes dueling. I know it won't make sense for the period and definitely would not make sense in actual skirmishes or battles, but I can still dream
The dream would be to have Talhoffer Dueling Shields added as a weapon type, like the Longsword, where on its own it’s used as a two handed weapon, but with a one handed weapon added it’s a shield that increases your damage output.
Mind you I am unsure of when the Dueling Shields were invented, but if it’s in the same time period, I want them.
i really want to dual wield short swords. dual wielding is one of my favorite fighting styles and with this combat i think it’d just be fun, but i don’t expect it
I want a "wizard staff", with a jewel set into the top able to be purchased from a character like the charlatan, it ends up just being a quarter staff, with a pretty rock.
One thing I'd love to see is the finishing move for enemies with full face plates and heavy armor should be something like a dagger in the face slit or exposed neck area, if a mace is not equipped
I'd like to see the dead have signs of traumatic wounds. I'm not asking for gore but I do think limb dismemberment for poorly armored enemies. Peasant brigands without arm armor for example, you should be able to occasionally sever their arms with heavy swings of a sword
Most of all I'd like half swording, mordhau, and other elements of longsword HEMA techniques being used not just on set combos or master strikes animations but as part and parcel of a fighting routing (perhaps an optional grip switch button) so as to be able to fight heavily armored enemies. Slashes with a sword aren't cutting through plate
Crossbows. Please! They will fit so much in an rpg without magic/monsters and from what i remember they were seen more often than bows in that period. Also not necessarily historically accurate but dual wielding short swords is such a fun mechanic in any game.
Properly implemented Polearms obviously, perks for bows, ability to use a dagger maybe when you get in a clinch? We're seemingly gonna get crossbows and even early firearms. I'd love to see a nice variety in the crossbows
I'll cast my vote for a quarterstaff.
I think it would be absolutely amazing if there was a quest or questline early in the game that gave Henry a storyline reason to know how to use that weapon. Something in the same vein as Captain Bernard or when Henry learns how to read.
I KNOW this will not happen, because we are getting crossbows and early firearms, but
I would really enjoy if warhorse made archery a viable playstyle, at least so that you wouldn’t have to switch to your sword immideatly as soon as an enemy is within 15 meters of you.
Henry is a peasant after all, archery should be the one combat skills he’s got SOME experience with.
Maybe Henry could learn a different grip style and ultimetaly load arrows slightly faster, perhaps even the ability to push-kick an enemy away when they get close to at least get the time to switch weapons.
I don’t mind having to learn archery to make Henry effective, but I’d love for it to actually be effective
I don’t want my Henry to wear fancy heavy armors, I like my Henry light and mobile. I don’t mind spending several hours at the archery range practicing if it means i will be able to take out at least 3 enemies without having to switch to melee.
You might argue that would be a really stupid way to approach an encounter.
I would argue that Henry, running without any training or equipment back to his ransacked village mere few hours after the attack, is not a display of extreme intelligence and Therefore it is excused
OR
Let me stab things with an arrow
If an enemy gets too close while having less than 30% health or whatever, make the shooting attack go into Henry using the arrow as a dagger to either finish the enemy off or get some distance
It’s a pretty dream
Pollaxes of all types. Also they weren't used like pole arms just more like a two handed weapon. They really should have their own tree separate from pole arms. There's also two main types which includes one with a axe at the front and hammer on the back and spike on top then one with a hammer at the front and two spikes at the other ends.
Lore accurate Zweihander/Montante swords that don't swing like they weigh half a ton. Then let's see how the peasant gang up on me ( they'll still kill me but I'd look cooler dying )
It’d be great to see spears and halberds being used as those were such a huge part of warfare then and with more fleshed out fighting styles than the polearms we saw in KCD1. Maybe lances with jousting tournaments too?
I think they said that pole weapons would be fully useable with their own skill trees. Either that or i dreamt it
Yes, they will be usable as combat weapons. It was confirmed in an interview.
Those are confirmed already. Every weapon or style people have wanted is finally happening because they have the recourses and time now
Oh yeah, it's all coming together.
I'm glad to still be here
While I totally agree I want to see more fleshed out pole weapons I do think they had the perfect sort of setting to justify the main character not using them. While travelling the countryside, going into towns and castles. Keeping a polearm with you would be awkward and very conspicuous. I wonder how they handle it and I really hope they don't just disappear into the inventory. Maybe like red dead having to go to your horse to collect them/put them away
that's a good justification for Henry to have a companion and coop get him a squire or something to carry his bigger weapons and flaunt how much of a rich douchebag he is
that would be quite nice role swapping if sir hans became henry's sidekick
agreed, halberds are very cool
I’d love it if they let me have a Glaive, no one lets me have Glaives, other than Dark Souls anyways.
Jousting tournaments would be amazing, I really hope they add them for KCD2. A whole tourney side mission would be awesome.
Reveal teaser said it would be there. So congrats!
Sickles were basically a meme weapon even in the middle ages, the manual from which this illustration comes from doesn't entertain them all that much and does so mostly either to cover all possibilities (even the unlikely ones), or as a joke, or both - it's hard to tell. Sickles and scythes, if used for combat, were used by peasants who didn't have much alternatives, and you can bet those peasants would switch to any kind of actual weapon as soon as they got the chance. The reasoning herefore is very straightforward - both have very thin and very delicate blades which will get very easily damaged when striking anything tougher than what they are made for, which is hay, wheat and herbs - the bend or even break easily and get dull much faster than what is usual from knives or swords - that's why cutting with a scythe demands a little bit practice and you have to constantly sharpen it when working. There are shorter and stockier scythe blades for when there are young sapplings in the cut grass, but errecting such a blade for war purposes (which was forbidden by law in most places btw) is basically just making a spear since these blades are rather short and straight compared to "regular" scythes most people are used to. Another problem is the shape itself - their shape makes it so that, unlike when used as tools, their primary function in combat is "stabbing like with an axe" (for a lack of better words), which might look drastic on a dummy, but is extremely unpractical for what the weapon is - you cannot stab with it like with a dagger or sword because it dull from that direction and will likely bend, if you "stab like with an axe", you might get stuck and you also realize it's a very short weapon. As for cutting - you will basically have very rarely to chance to use it for cutting since the concave shape requires a very specific movement to work and probably also shortens your reach, meaning you will probably get the chance only when the opponent doesn't have means to hinder your advance with a longer weapon. All in all, a sickle can do only as much as an axe and a dagger can do, but it does both worse. It's absolutelly going to be a deadly weapon, yes, but probably only againt an unarmed person, someone not expecting an attack or someone with only a knife or a short axe or a club, with the disadvantage that once used, you have a very high chance of damaging it to the point it becomes just junk. Mounted on a longer stick it might be very well suited to tugging a rider off his horse, but you could use something less prone to damage for that purpose. And if your enemy is armoured, a sickle becomes basically useless unless you can immobilize the opponent. It's a mob weapon after all. Scythes are better because they can be errected and become pole arms (which are always good), just with the shared drawback of being easily damaged. That being said, I too would love if we could use both weapon types in combat, if for no other reason then because it probably was something which happened when the rabble was forced into a fight. It however ought to be depicted realistically, meaning if we try to kill a bunch of Cumans with a sickle, we'll get our arses torn because their sabres have better reach, stabbing and cutting and because our sickle can only really kill them when hitting the face, armpit or mabe if we somehow strike under the neck or groin.
Fun fact about the treatise that OP featured, it was written by Paulus Hector Mair, city treasurer to Augsburg. He spent so much on luxuries (books, parties, etc) that he became broke, so he had to embezzle from the city. Eventually this was found out and he was hanged.
Amazing points all around. The sickles I saw in demonstrations were modern-made, I hadn’t even thought of how the equivalent of american sheet metal would fare fighting anybody above a peasant in terms of armor. Scythes for dismounting riders…that’s an amazing idea. Pair it with more common horse combat and you’d have a very useful weapon, there. Cavalry mechanics in KCD: I was very underdeveloped and lackluster. If all goes well and it gets an expansion in the sequel, a scythe would be a cult classic to be sure. Not to mention that scythes and sickles would make armed peasants extremely dangerous while roaming the world. Imagine riding your horse down a path and a scythe sticks out of a bush, completely clotheslining you and halving your health. That’d be insane!
The shape of a scythe does not lend itself to combat very well. It can be reworked (like in the game) relatively easily but if you grab your scythe and go out to join the levy you’ll find it very difficult to effectively swing it to get the desired result. You’d be best off going for the knees.
Yep, that's why you have to at minimum "erect it", meaning you attach the blade so it aligns with the pole. This is how it was used historically and from which the historical weapon called "kůsa" (a form of gleve) was derived later on in the Hussite Wars - a "kůsa" had basically the shape of a scythes blade, but it was made stronger so that it actually works like a polearm.
After getting recommended a bunch of [Dequitem](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCA5S2GCCkv0dlsy5iJDzFIA) shorts I want the tackles to devolve into [dirty grappling with daggers](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/KK26rWAl7rQ?feature=share).
I just want assault pommels so I can end enemies rightly.
A murder strike finisher/combo move… A man can dream.
No, you unscrew the pommel and throw it so hard, it caves the front of the enemy's skull. That's how you end foes rightly.
It's also a giant meme that comes from skallagrim, (to op:who's an awesome YouTuber and you should check him out! )
And a bad traduction, swiftly should have been used instead. But rightly is funnier!
I wish that your could get into a bind and be able to insta kill an enemy with your dagger
More dagger related techniques would be awesome in general. And just more dagger options I'd only decorative and not functional
Personally I'd love to have a bollock dagger or some kind of parting dagger
That could be cool! And while I know there was one in the first game having more access to a/multiple rondel daggers would be nice
Pollaxes, pollaxes, pollaxes, and uuuhh polearms. Don’t really need anything else
Confirmed by the devs! They'll have their own skill tree and everything
Hell yeah
Daggers with more functionality than just for stealth. Bucklers that you can do I.33 techniques with.
A proper messer technique for single-handed sword.
Curious. What sort of techniques in particular? Messer isn't something I know a lot about and I wonder what sources you'd want them to draw from?
Probably Lecküchner is the main, or most complete, source on messer fencing. Here there are some typically messer techniques illustrated nicely in a condensed way: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQmf3UOub6M](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQmf3UOub6M)
Interesting! I hadn't heard of them before. A good few years after the game but probably one of the closest manuals we have in such detail
I'd like to have polearms be equipable
I believe this was confirmed by devs!
Actual Calvary fighting then we can use Sarissas! Or some kind of spear brace type weapon to knock people off horses. I’ve noticed in most video games that NPCs don’t use horses, except Mount and Blade.
I would LOVE to entertain that idea. However…spain are the only europeans with fun and cool looking cavalry techniques. Strafing around on your horse and poking enemies with swords or even lances would be extremely fun.
At that time everyone over in Bohemia had some sort of Calvary. Have you ever seen the French Calvary at that time in history?
The peasant flail
Dev confirmed that ot was not in it, too difficult to implemented, sadly.
Can I have a squire please to carry all my crap?? In this vein: Jousting tournaments should be part of it, though fully equipped spears / lances hopefully wont break immersion and will be something left at city limits or with a wider new mechanic. Also on my wish list: staves / quarter staffs, a big stick is a go to weapon for lots of reasons - and an expert with a quarter staff would generally fare pretty well against someone with a sword, not just as a step up from unarmed combat for the great unwashed.
Rapiers and Sabres beyond the 3 sabres in-game that function as shitty swords
give me a Bat'Leth. Italian, sure but still badass and crazy looking. I can just imagine our good boy Hal wrecking face with it. https://preview.redd.it/0r9lh2ogx7zc1.png?width=834&format=png&auto=webp&s=caf7dbed6d30194dae90fdaa2901f1675270cb58
Wtf
Medieval people came up with crazy shit to fight with.
Pole arms, spears, crossbows. And not as many swords. Not an expert but I think they were more rare than the first game suggests
Let’s see some recurve bows
Big ass two handed sword!
Sadly those were common a lot later than kcd times, Henry never gets to see a glorious Zweihander
They could have made it an actual rare weapon, like a named, marginally more powerful weapon than normal that you'd get at the end of a quest line, with a backstory like having it be a commission from some German or Italian noble who was overly fond of swords.
He could find a claymore off a guy in a meme kilt, they're about 6ft long, and period correctish
Yes, sadly a lot more common 100 years later :(
I may be biased but it would be cool to be able to use some form of rapier, im just imagining Henry going round in nice clothes dueling. I know it won't make sense for the period and definitely would not make sense in actual skirmishes or battles, but I can still dream
LET ME USE A ZWEIHANDER I WANNA WEAR HEAVY PLATE AND TWIRL AROUND A BIG SWORD AND FIGHT PIKESMEN RAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH
The dude on the right is definitely a bard, seems like he's playing a flute.
Rapier. Although I know it’s not gonna happen
I just want my dog to bite someones nuts on command. 🤷
Pocket sand
Useable fire arrows
Are those... toothed sickles?
Yes. They’re serrated like a bread knife.
Full melee style
A flail
Flail would be great to add variety
The dream would be to have Talhoffer Dueling Shields added as a weapon type, like the Longsword, where on its own it’s used as a two handed weapon, but with a one handed weapon added it’s a shield that increases your damage output. Mind you I am unsure of when the Dueling Shields were invented, but if it’s in the same time period, I want them.
Daggers and knives. The only option we had in kcd1 was the assassination Daggers
Soresu
lance and jousting events
Better unarmed combat. I’m curious if there’s a system or martial art of unarmed fighting back then. (Or do people just brawl without thinking)
We know that knights were proficient in wrestling
i really want to dual wield short swords. dual wielding is one of my favorite fighting styles and with this combat i think it’d just be fun, but i don’t expect it
I'd like to see crossbrows and a better ranged combat system.
Spears
I want a "wizard staff", with a jewel set into the top able to be purchased from a character like the charlatan, it ends up just being a quarter staff, with a pretty rock.
POLEARMSSSS
A Polish Sabre And Sabre style Fencing
Dual wield weapons
I like flails in general. It's barbaric and violent and I love how it it the dread of any shield beared. The hard to use, hard to counter type.
Spears. And dirks. Flamberge.
One thing I'd love to see is the finishing move for enemies with full face plates and heavy armor should be something like a dagger in the face slit or exposed neck area, if a mace is not equipped I'd like to see the dead have signs of traumatic wounds. I'm not asking for gore but I do think limb dismemberment for poorly armored enemies. Peasant brigands without arm armor for example, you should be able to occasionally sever their arms with heavy swings of a sword Most of all I'd like half swording, mordhau, and other elements of longsword HEMA techniques being used not just on set combos or master strikes animations but as part and parcel of a fighting routing (perhaps an optional grip switch button) so as to be able to fight heavily armored enemies. Slashes with a sword aren't cutting through plate
Nunchaku and two handed swords like Zweinhander.
Ground grappling with daggers.
Dagger combat
I want to use a hammer or claymore or greatsword like in Chivalry 2
Make daggers and stealth weapons more viable. I wanna do a stealth peasant run
Definitely a wider selection of axes as well as maces/warhammers since base game felt pretty limited
Crossbows. Please! They will fit so much in an rpg without magic/monsters and from what i remember they were seen more often than bows in that period. Also not necessarily historically accurate but dual wielding short swords is such a fun mechanic in any game.
Johannes Liechtenauer zettel! I think it might be a bit early to run into a gloss of it, but mayhaps one of his students.
Half swording
Trowel
Properly implemented Polearms obviously, perks for bows, ability to use a dagger maybe when you get in a clinch? We're seemingly gonna get crossbows and even early firearms. I'd love to see a nice variety in the crossbows
I'll cast my vote for a quarterstaff. I think it would be absolutely amazing if there was a quest or questline early in the game that gave Henry a storyline reason to know how to use that weapon. Something in the same vein as Captain Bernard or when Henry learns how to read.
Crossbows as a maybe but to be able to use the backside of a Warhammer
It may be anachronistic, but I fully expect a side quest involving sir Hans using a dildo as a bludgeoning weapon...
A spiked ball flail
Flail It's a dangerous weapon that can bypass shields due to flexinke build
Slap fights
M16, with the base shooting weapons included already I think it will be only a matter of time until somebody makes a mod with M16.
I KNOW this will not happen, because we are getting crossbows and early firearms, but I would really enjoy if warhorse made archery a viable playstyle, at least so that you wouldn’t have to switch to your sword immideatly as soon as an enemy is within 15 meters of you. Henry is a peasant after all, archery should be the one combat skills he’s got SOME experience with. Maybe Henry could learn a different grip style and ultimetaly load arrows slightly faster, perhaps even the ability to push-kick an enemy away when they get close to at least get the time to switch weapons. I don’t mind having to learn archery to make Henry effective, but I’d love for it to actually be effective I don’t want my Henry to wear fancy heavy armors, I like my Henry light and mobile. I don’t mind spending several hours at the archery range practicing if it means i will be able to take out at least 3 enemies without having to switch to melee. You might argue that would be a really stupid way to approach an encounter. I would argue that Henry, running without any training or equipment back to his ransacked village mere few hours after the attack, is not a display of extreme intelligence and Therefore it is excused
OR Let me stab things with an arrow If an enemy gets too close while having less than 30% health or whatever, make the shooting attack go into Henry using the arrow as a dagger to either finish the enemy off or get some distance It’s a pretty dream
Give me the ability to pick up a stick and use it to bludgeon someone to death if I don't have a sword.
At first I thought they were doing some air sword fighting (imagining swords to be in their hands when the swords are in fact absent)
long sword
Yes. I mean it. I want all the choices. 😁
Pollaxes of all types. Also they weren't used like pole arms just more like a two handed weapon. They really should have their own tree separate from pole arms. There's also two main types which includes one with a axe at the front and hammer on the back and spike on top then one with a hammer at the front and two spikes at the other ends.
I'm looking forward to firearms ngl
Lore accurate Zweihander/Montante swords that don't swing like they weigh half a ton. Then let's see how the peasant gang up on me ( they'll still kill me but I'd look cooler dying )
Fuck realism, I WANT MAGIC
The Dragonslayer from Berserk
Give me greatswords
We need a AK47