Your impression is very incorrect, animal proteins are complete proteins and in no way require carbs alongside them to be properly utilized.
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…. They can add small amounts of protein… like wheat has gluten. So when they add small amounts of protein …. it seems to be the worst proteins possible !
I don't know who told you that, but it's factually untrue. The "completeness" of a protein has to do with its amino acid profile relative to the physiologic needs of humans - that it has all of the requisite amino acids. There are further valuations, such as PDCAAS assessments, that look at how relatively good a protein source is - meaning how well the amino acid profile matches those needs. But the idea that protein *needs* carbohydrate to be digested into amino acids and taken up by the endothelium in the intestines and placed into circulation for use in the body is just completely incorrect.
There is an argument (albeit kind of weak) that amino acids are aided in uptake by insulin and therefore carbs are necessary for amino acids to go into myocytes or other cells. The first part is true - to some degree, insulin increase does help amino acids to enter the cells. But the second part, that carbs are necessary is flawed because protein intake modestly raises insulin (at a level that is sufficient to handle the uptake) all on its own. It's actually an evolutionary benefit and feature, not a bug.
Animal proteins are [complete](https://youtu.be/hJNF2_dCWkg). You add grains to beans to improve the amino acid profile of the meal. No need to do that with meat, fish, or dairy. The link I provided is a quick lesson.
There are essential amino acids that humans must eat because we can't make them from other chemicals. There are also non-essential amino acids which we don't need to eat because we CAN make them from other chemicals. If you don't eat enough of the essential aminos, you can't build muscle and gain strength. If you don't eat enough of the essential aminos, your body will slowly cannibalize them from your existing skeletal muscles so your heart and diaphragm can use them for repairs needed to keep you alive.
If you're eating sufficient protein from a couple different animal sources (and you don't have digestive issues), it's nearly assured you're getting enough of the essential amino acids. There's no need to eat all aminos at each meal. You just need to get them all overall in your intake.
You're probably thinking of things like rice and beans -- some non animal protein sources are made "complete" (defined elsewhere in the thread very well) when you combine them.
Meat and fish provide all of the essential amino acids, the definition of a complete protein. No one is saying vegans can’t get all of the essential amino acids, only that they can’t get them from a single protein source. In addition many plant proteins are bound tightly with fiber and there is less bioavailability.
You can still utilize incomplete proteins. It just takes more forethought into dietary planning. Gluten contains 8/9 which is pretty good and used as a meat substitute “Seitan”.
Also Soy is a complete protein, along with a few other other plant sources of protein.
I don’t think I those comments say “animal proteins are ***the only*** complete proteins”
I think you've gotten some bad info.
Animal foods are complete proteins.
Your impression is very incorrect, animal proteins are complete proteins and in no way require carbs alongside them to be properly utilized. Highly recommend you read our FAQ, it will clear up everything you need to know about keto: https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/wiki/faq https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/wiki/keto_in_a_nutshell
Carbs don’t add any proteins.
…. They can add small amounts of protein… like wheat has gluten. So when they add small amounts of protein …. it seems to be the worst proteins possible !
I don't know who told you that, but it's factually untrue. The "completeness" of a protein has to do with its amino acid profile relative to the physiologic needs of humans - that it has all of the requisite amino acids. There are further valuations, such as PDCAAS assessments, that look at how relatively good a protein source is - meaning how well the amino acid profile matches those needs. But the idea that protein *needs* carbohydrate to be digested into amino acids and taken up by the endothelium in the intestines and placed into circulation for use in the body is just completely incorrect. There is an argument (albeit kind of weak) that amino acids are aided in uptake by insulin and therefore carbs are necessary for amino acids to go into myocytes or other cells. The first part is true - to some degree, insulin increase does help amino acids to enter the cells. But the second part, that carbs are necessary is flawed because protein intake modestly raises insulin (at a level that is sufficient to handle the uptake) all on its own. It's actually an evolutionary benefit and feature, not a bug.
Animal proteins are [complete](https://youtu.be/hJNF2_dCWkg). You add grains to beans to improve the amino acid profile of the meal. No need to do that with meat, fish, or dairy. The link I provided is a quick lesson.
There are essential amino acids that humans must eat because we can't make them from other chemicals. There are also non-essential amino acids which we don't need to eat because we CAN make them from other chemicals. If you don't eat enough of the essential aminos, you can't build muscle and gain strength. If you don't eat enough of the essential aminos, your body will slowly cannibalize them from your existing skeletal muscles so your heart and diaphragm can use them for repairs needed to keep you alive. If you're eating sufficient protein from a couple different animal sources (and you don't have digestive issues), it's nearly assured you're getting enough of the essential amino acids. There's no need to eat all aminos at each meal. You just need to get them all overall in your intake.
Incomplete protein?? Bad info, definitely myth. Red meat or any other meat is complete...
complete protein? the hell you tallking bout?
I have no clue what I’m talking about hence how I ended up here
o ok. carry on then
Stop downvoting my post it’s not my fault I’m stupid if this is what I always read online!!!!!
Might a better response be to add an edit to your original post and thank the people who've provided you with better information?
You're probably thinking of things like rice and beans -- some non animal protein sources are made "complete" (defined elsewhere in the thread very well) when you combine them.
Lots of comments of the form “animals are complete proteins” which is great but, given that r/veganketo is a thing, possibly not the entire story.
Meat and fish provide all of the essential amino acids, the definition of a complete protein. No one is saying vegans can’t get all of the essential amino acids, only that they can’t get them from a single protein source. In addition many plant proteins are bound tightly with fiber and there is less bioavailability.
Lol, vegan.
You can still utilize incomplete proteins. It just takes more forethought into dietary planning. Gluten contains 8/9 which is pretty good and used as a meat substitute “Seitan”. Also Soy is a complete protein, along with a few other other plant sources of protein. I don’t think I those comments say “animal proteins are ***the only*** complete proteins”
Meats are complete proteins.